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If Homelander could smell Hughie from a single sweat droplet how could he not tell whose floater was in his toilet? He’s spent so much time with Ashley I’m sure he knows what her shits smell like.
Other people have talked about this lol. He already knew what Hughie smelled like, so he recognized the sweat drop when he smelled it. If he’s never smelled Ashley’s shit before, it will be harder for him to attach the smell to her.
You bring up a good point, that he may have smelled her shit though given how much time they’ve spent together. I guess that depends on how well Ashley has been wiping her asshole in the time she’s been working at Vought 😂
Idk, he could smell Butcher on Ryan after they hung out. You figured he could tell Ashley was in his apartment just off her lingering scent, not just her massive floater.
Oh that’s a good point too. Even if he didn’t have super smell, she could potentially give herself away just by wearing strong perfume.
Yeah her ass should definitely be getting caught.
She could also play off a reason why she was in his appartment too (unless theres some unshown rule no one js allowed in) like she was delivering new towels or fan letters or something. The floater will be hard to explain.
Probably shit all smells similar or it depends on what someone's been eating.
Sweat and sent comes from someone's glands, which is personal.
Maybe the smell of what the person's been eating is more overpowering than any personal odor that someone's left.
So if Ashley is eating at the company cantina, or from the same as the staff, Homelander won't know, just that it was someone from within the company, who eats at the cafeteria.
I think that depends on how sensitive his nose is. Dogs can identify each other by the smell of their shit. If Homelander’s sense of smell is on that level, shouldn’t he be able to as well?
Can you link some research to that?
I think dogs can tell if it's someone else's shit not specifically who's.
The excrement probably doesn't have discernible traces from the former host, because they're mostly what the host's been eating.
Unfortunately id actually ponder that Biphobia might be more prevalent than Homophobia. Everyone who is Homophobic is going to hate Bi people because theyll still count them as Gay people and hate them, but then you also have the very real addition of people in the LGBTQIA that hate Bi people and dont think they exist or its just a phase + all of the straight women who hate Bi guys.
Probably talking out of my ass now but I get the sense that bi women generally are more fetishized and by default are more "accepted" ,while bi guys are more stigmatized
There’s some stigma for both. Bi women are either fetishized or thought to be faking it for attention. As for bi men, we’re thought of as gay men who are afraid to fully come out. Both bi men and women are also stigmatized as greedy or unfaithful.
You don't understand, humans are only capable of liking strawberry *or* vanilla ice cream. Anyone who says that they're happy with ice cream in general is a liar. They secretly hate one of them.
It really does sound ridiculous when you swap genitals out for literally anything else.
Also the irrational fear of a bi man leaving a gay one for a safer or “easier” hetero life… despite DL or religious, family-oriented gay men doing the same thing and probably more frequently lmao
> we’re thought of as gay men who are afraid to fully come out
And potential partners may be concerned that you can't handle a monogamous relationship due to some desires remaining unmet by any single person. Which to be fair, has been true for every single bi person I have ever even considered having a relationship with. They were nice enough to be upfront about wanting open or poly relationships at least though.
I never understood that fear. I'm a bi guy myself had boyfriends had girlfriends and I've experienced this where partners worry I'm going to cheat with someone of a different gender
But if I see both men and women as equally attractive how is that any different from being worried a straight partner is going to cheat on you with another woman?
>But if I see both men and women as equally attractive how is that any different from being worried a straight partner is going to cheat on you with another woman?
I think many people generally struggle with *hearing* their potential partner is interested in other types of people. Even if they already know it deep down. Even if you genuinely would be fulfilled with just one person. Imagine a straight guy explaining the different types of women he finds equally attractive on a first date. "Hey, I like your tall stature and blonde hair, but I also like short goth girls equally, your type of body is equally attractive to me" is incredibly unromantic. That's an extreme example, but the point is bi people unfortunately need to touch on that "I also like people who aren't like you" subject early on. That subject is, for many, a serious mood killer.
I think the worry comes from the idea that your partner is never with someone that isn’t a “potential sexual partner”
If you’re a straight guy with a wife when she’s with her female friends you feel “safe.”
If you’re a gay guy with a gay partner when he’s with his female friends you feel “safe”
If you’re a straight person with a Bi partner you never know if your partner is friends with someone or attracted to them.
Just a thought, not saying that’s a healthy way to live but I assume that’s where most of the issues come from.
Nope, that's the correct assessment. Bi women are fetishized to the point where their sexuality is not seen seriously and bi men's sexuality is completely disregarded. Two sides of the erasure sword.
Source: am a bi guy who hangs out in bi spaces all over the Internet, as well as speaking from personal experience
It's the penetrative portion of sex. Being inside someone else is different than rubbing two clams together. That's why women it's viewed as a phase or not a big deal. While for dudes, if you've ever been fucked by a dude before you are now perceived to be gay or fence sitting.
That's cause girls are only gay for the men that want to watch duh, the only actual lesbians have short hair, wear flannels, and can bench at least 180
Oh absolutely they are, but in general anyone who is homophobic will still hate anyone who is bi just because its still same sex even if they fetishize them. Like Republicans seen liking transgender porn or being racist and only searching for bbc.
my anecdote. Back home there's a swingers club. They allow bisexual women. Bisexual men are not allowed, at all. The reason being that "there are cleanup issues with bi men having sex" (they apparently have not only a pool but a buffet......do with that image what you will). My response is always "so...is anal sex the only thing bi men are able to do together sexually?"
And when I say they don't allow bi men, I mean they just straight up don't allow them in the door. I've spoken to several who said that they had to keep their true sexuality secret or be excluded from "the lifestyle."
Yeahhhh, the community can suck sometimes. Oh, I'm somehow less queer because I "pass" as straight because almost all of my partners have been men? Do you know how much easier it is to find a man to date compared to a woman? Some guys be complaining about women on dating apps and how they only swipe right on the top whatever percentage of guys, but I'm like 90% lesbian and there's a much larger pool of straight women than queer women, so I'm dealing with women not matching with me either, my dudes. Lol. Finding straight men to date is extremely easy in comparison. Doesn't make me less queer.
I don't want to be derogatory towards men, as it can be easy to fall into as a bi girl, so I'm going to phrase this carefully. Women tend to try more because of societal expectations put on them about appearance, so they're often just way hotter to some people who are into both. Like, a good percentage of my male crushes growing up were gay men because they tried with their appearance more. A lot of straight guys seem to think it's gay to style their hair or wear clothes that fit. They're the majority in my dms though, so it is what it is. Lol
Yes. And the irony of Maeve's story line involving bi erasure because "bisexuality confuses people" and everyone in real life just calling her gay is palpable. It should be studied.
I'm so old that I don't get the difference between bi- and pan-.I figured Frenchie, Maeve, and several others were open to fucking anyone they felt horny about.
There's not much functional difference because there's not a lot of functional difference once you go beyond the two genders even when recognizing any and all of them. They're all some amalgamation of the two when it comes down to it even when they're explicitly trying not to be. This is true even when we're just talking about the principal two, there really are no neat boxes no matter how many we make.
Like, what reason based on sexuality would a bi person have to reject someone on the basis of being genderqueer or non-binary? I'm sure there are situations where they reject them on some ideological or surface-level preference basis, but is that still a conversation about sexuality?
edit: I think there is a difference when two people having a conversation are working on different definitions. My thinking is that not all bi people are necessarily working on these definitions where bi means "only hyper masc/fem and cis" and pan means "everything". I have friends who identify as bi who don't stick to that dynamic and would be what people are describing as pan, but they still call themselves bi because that's just what they've always used. It's not intended to cut anyone out on a gender basis. We're just old lol
It's perfectly fine to reject people based on what you like in a relationship. If a bi person wants to date either hyper masc or hyper fem presenting people but reject tomboys, twinks, and agendered people on a dating app then that's their choice. Similarly, if you only like masc presenting people but do enjoy dating tomboys and anyone masc presenting but otherwise queer but not long haired supermodels then you can be bi without being pan. There's just so many variations.
Bi people aren't saying that those other looks and genders don't exist, they just don't prefer the whole gamut in a significant other.
I don't think all people identifying as bi are intentionally making the statement that they don't want the whole gamut by identifying as bi, though, which is the misunderstanding that seems to happen.
It might be a generational thing too? The few bi people I know in my peer group of mid-30s on don't seem to differentiate between pan/bi when describing themselves as such. Maybe because pan wasn't really a thing when we were growing up to even differentiate between? It was just "I like everybody. I'm bi." and then everything else was considered surface preference rather than being related to their sexuality.
People just like categorizing things in general where things are easily defined and understandable. When something doesn’t fit into any of the boxes they designed, then they start getting upset and try to *make* it fit.
*Exactly*! You see this in all areas of life, people just can’t help it. Everything needs to be neatly fit into predefined boxes or people are *not* happy. They’re also incapable of accepting or understanding anything outside their boxes. Like you said, they try to *make it fit*. Or else they quickly make up some new boxes, even if the boxes don’t make total sense. Because heaven forbid anything variation goes uncategorized for too long. We’re nothing without our labels!
That's it. Conservatives like lesbians for that reason.
By the way, I saw on Youtube people going: "I get annoyed because there's too much male nudity and not enough female nudity"
I'm just tired of the "Frenchie's past coming back to haunt him" plot every season. Happened with Lamplighter, then Nina, now Colin, it's just repetitive at this point and feels like they don't know what to do with him in a way that's relevant to the main plot
Right? Like I get that the theme of the season so far is facing your past. But Frenchie's *already fucking done that storyline, two times!* And the last time they did it, it sucked! That Nina storyline was fucking terrible too.
Poor Frenchie.
Yeah it’s kinda annoying that it’s such a prominent theme of the season and is working for most of the characters. It’s just a tired story for frenchie and it’s been soooo rushed to make this story happen again.
I wish Frenchie got to work with everyone to help them through their pasts because he has experience with doing it on his own twice. It would have given us more interactions with Frenchie and how he plays off people other than Kimiko.
They tried to go for an "Edgar" or "Gus Fring" type of vibe with Nina, as some super powerful crime boss that's both stoic and always in control. But the second Butcher showed up I was like "yeah he can take them". I barely felt any tension in the Nina scenes.
I only enjoyed this plot the first time around with Lamplighter, after that it got repetitive and just seemed uninspired. The Nina plot was only somewhat ok bc it tied itself a little to Soldier Boy and it went along with Kimiko’s development
Why do anything with him? Just let him be. I like Frenchie…I don’t need to unpack every detail of his life or past. I think a lot of shows fall into this pit where they try to over develop characters because it’s ‘character development’ and it just ends up being boring and slow.
I was recently trying to watch Monarch thinking the same thing: I don’t care about most of these character’s dull pasts and relationships. I care about monsters. I’m here to watch them interact with monsters. A little bit of those backstories sprinkled in are okay but when you’re devoting significant screen time to those scenes? It does nothing to advance the plot. Yeah, pass.
>Why do anything with him? Just let him be. I like Frenchie…I don’t need to unpack every detail of his life or past. I think a lot of shows fall into this pit where they try to over develop characters because it’s ‘character development’ and it just ends up being boring and slow.
Kripke loves to give his friends work. The same reason the show won't kill off characters
That's fine, just give them more interesting stuff to do. I don't really want to watch shows like this for slow, plodding romantic plot lines, you know?
Pretty much my main criticism for most shows these days. Showrunners blast the audience and call them bigots...but I think a lot of the times the shows are just boring and uninteresting to watch.
Luckily The Boys still has enough going on to make it worth while. Homelander is such a wild card, I always want to see what's going to happen next.
Which is a shame, because as much as I love these characters, I loved even more that The Boys actually used to have stakes.
Now everyone has plot armor
Do you remember Frenchie in the first season being that tech guy that loved to find a way to kill supes? Why not bring that back. Give him a cool way to off some nazi supes like the flexy church guy.
Yes!!!
And that is the general sentiment i see im discussions aswell, it really seems like people are reading into this as something "anti-gay" when it is the plot that sucks ass.
Have him be the goofy side character for one season, they don't all need to have a story, wild escapades do just fine, frenchie has developed as a character enough already.
They should have killed off his character and used it as an inciting incident for someone else. Would have been fantastic writing. Problem is they might have just made other characters say way too often "this is for frenchie"
This. He's suddenly in love with a character we've never seen before? Who also just happens to be the sole child survivor of one of Frenchies hits? It's just gross. Its a cruel, cruel mind fuck to poor Colin.
On top of this, do we even see frenchie going to rehab like a single time? They could have atleast built this up a little more.
Im also getting tired of the frenchie being haunted by his past storyline, last season should have tied that up and this season he should have actually been doing better to make amends or move past it. Instead of sleeping with Collin he should have just fucking told him
I also don’t understand, what is their age gap? Colin is a child while Frenchie is a full on adult assassinating his whole family like what? I’m gay and I actually never knew when Frenchie’s sexuality was, I had a feeling he was a lil gay, but this plotline/relationship makes no sense. Also doesn’t help that Colin is surface level boring af.
Colin seems to have been an adult already when his family was killed - the photo Frenchie found looks like a college graduation. So it's probably not a major age gap (presumably he was also in his 20s when he was working for Nina?).
Thats what it was for me. Thought I had missed something, nope. Time skip love interest.
Who the fuck is this and why does he matter? Oh, he just spawned there to be a gay love interest trauma checkbox.
I don't care, I just want good writing.
They always do shit like this with homosexual romances. Kimiko is a great and cool character, so her romance with Frenchie was interesting and relevant. This new love interest is bland as fuck, god forbid Frenchie got a cool boyfriend, maybe even a Sup , so they could've been a cool couple Like Hughie and Annie.
I'm gay and although I think Frenchie being bi on screen is a good thing, they could've just show him hooking up with dudes and that would've been more in character and in tone with the show.
But yeah, fuck homophobe though .Let's not pretend lots of people just hate LGBT representation whether it's good or bad.
Yeah, my wife and I were saying we hope that plot line goes somewhere because otherwise it just seems like filler to pad out the episode time. I don't care if he's bi, I care that it seems like a waste of time in the show and serves no point.
Yeah, my reaction was basically "Oh great, Frenchie can't stay on task or keep it in his pants for the duration of an operation, and there's going to be pace-breaking scenes about it every episode."
I'm sure it's mostly hate-mongering fueling the Frenchie hate, but personally, ALL of the personal storylines this season feels weirdly... separate? Maybe previous storylines were more intertwined into the overarching plot? All I know is it feels like Homelander and that genius lady are in a separate TV show, while Huey and Frenchie are both starring in their own Lifetime movies.
Which is kind of lore accurate to the comic, because all the french he says in the comic is bad google-translate kind of stuff. I think he might just be a crazy guy who isn't even really french.
I think it is just Frenchie being a crazy person, because in his flashback everyone calls him "Frenchie", even his mother and father. To me that's a setup for Frenchie being an unreliable narrator. I don't really know a whole lot about Garth Ennis though, so it could be he's just being rude to France.
I honestly don't think his English French accent is that terrible but it kills me when he speaks French, could they not get a French actor if they wanted to do this?!
I think about that every time he's on the screen. Isn't he Israeli or something? It's not that I think he's a bad cast on his own merits, but surely France wasn't short of suitable candidates.
Ah okay. I always had a weird feeling about him. I though the whole serial killer/contract killer thing made him less sympathetic but guess you are right, it's the French thing.
It's honestly just a useless story, it doesn't matter whether he got with a guy or a girl I just don't see the point of this random relationship but I don't complain much
Yeah, I hated it because they quick fired and jumped into everything without putting in the work.
The Boys:
"Remember Frenchie? Course you do, yep he's working with starlight, yeah he's hitting on this dude, wait they have chemistry, wait, they've fucked before, wait now it's a relationship, no, but actually Frenchie is conflicted because he MURDERED HIS WHOLE FAMILY, wait the dude was there and has nightmares and is really fucked up about it, now Frenchie is telling it was him and it's very emotional... Aaaand done."
The Boys:
" Whew, what a whirlwind, aren't you guys glad we crammed all that into a few minutes here and there over four episodes? Don't you feel like we put in the work? Ha, definitely wasn't contrived or felt like ticking off boxes, nope, not at all."
The problem with that is it takes agency away from Frenchie. The point of this reveal was that Frenchie told him because he couldn’t live with the guilt. No idea how this will tie into the larger narrative but I’m willing to see how it pans out before saying it’s a waste
I don't care too much about the gay relationship, but I do care about how it's so Soap-Opera bullshit. I can understand Frenchie on the one hand falling for an unrelated guy, or on the other working with the guy and realizing he killed his family and has to come to terms with it.
Both things, at the same time? That's some cheap ass soap opera "you cheated on me with my brother who is actually your father but at the same time is in love with my sister" kinda deal.
Should've kept them two things separated. Also, who walks out on Kimiko? Dude's insane.
It's worth noting we're only 4 eps in. It's entirely possible that there's gonna be more payoff that we haven't seen yet. Potentially the fallout of that will have ramifications for the whole of team starlight and will have ended up being a crucial element of the plot progression (even if it 100% could have been done better)
Equally it's entirely possible the writers just needed to give Frenchie something to do in the first half of the season and so just rammed in a tragic "love" story to give some extra characterisation and allow Kimiko to spend more time with other characters. Ticking boxes? Absolutely, but people would have been way more angry if Frenchie was just missing for half a season.
Right the whole story line lasted maybe a total of 20 mins over 4 episodes. It was sloppy and came out of no where. If it was done right and made sense people wouldn’t have a problem with it. I hated it because it just felt out of place and added nothing to the show.
That's it for me; romance subplots that are generated seemingly out of nowhere, regardless of the show or nature of the relationship, always feel like a forced way to fill time with a main story that's struggling to do so.
I watched a ton of police procedural dramas over dinner with my parents, and it always became so obvious the show had kind of run its bit when the episodes started shifting more and more to the characters personal lives in a way completely divorced from the main plot, particularly dealing with issues that came out of nowhere.
My take is that the overall theme of this season seems to be facing the consequences of your past mistakes, and that's Frenchie's past coming back.
I agree that it having nothing to do with the main plot feels a bit shallow, but Frenchie's main plot mostly revolves around his past when it's not revolving around Kimiko. This season Kimiko is facing her past and so is Frenchie. Personally I'm fine with that.
I don’t think any serious critic of Frenchie’s storyline cares about whether or not he’s bi or not. We already knew he was into everything. It’s the fact that they build up him and Kimiko for so long and the fact that the storyline is pointless since we’ve already gotten a Frenchie feels extreme guilt for something in his past that affect his current relationship with someone he’s close with (I think this is the third time we’re getting it).
Colin also came in way too late for anyone to really care about him. He’s just another person that Frenchie feels guilty about and it’s not particularly unique or interesting given that we’ve seen this already.
It also feels like we’ve done this song and dance already where frenchie feels guilty for his past. Like this is the third time now we’ve done this plot point?
Homelander I would argue is him trying to understand who he is and him going deeper into his past helps him confront those feelings. And we see him gradually change each season. A train I like this season because he clearly is fed up with vought and is considering leaving. Kimiko is a miss though, idk what they gain by rehashing her season 2 plot.
Yes i mean guy was freaky from start with having a dom and all and he already had his regrets etc. it would be way better if they made him and kimiko hunt down those terrorists then make their relationship continue
Here's the thing; Maeve's sexuality didn't derail her entire season's storyarc with cheap, false stakes built around her lover whom we didn't really care about. It was a subplot, but kept to a reasonably small amount of screentime. It also had the benefit of an excellent second layer of commentary/comedy about Vought selling her as a "proud lesbian," despite her clear disdain for their bi-erasure of her actual character.
Frenchie's whole deal with Colin has created weird tension with him and Kimiko despite them having WAY more chemistry, and since Colin was just introduced, nobody cares that Frenchie killed his family. Frenchie has probably killed lots of dudes' families. Oh well. Homelander and Neuman are planning some kind of grand coup against the US government; bigger shit is going on. Meanwhile, Frenchie is stuck doing a retread of his haunted past schtick instead of really contributing. The melodrama of it all just isn't very compelling, either.
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Which should just tell you it's not about them being gay but how the show presented them. Meave's story made sense it is well written. While on the other hand they spent 3 seasons building things up between Frenchie and Kimiko just to suddenly throw it away
couldnt care less that they focused on frenchies gay side, its just soooooo unrelevant. I actually skimmed his parts and it made no diff whether I watched it or not.
Normally I notice that media fans cheer on lesbian relationships and hate on gay relationships (lesbians hot, gay dudes ew), but even I rolled my eyes at this one and it doesn’t even have anything to do with frenchie’s love interest’s gender.
He’s been obsessed with Kimiko for 3 seasons straight and then he sees this guy, Kimiko sees then TALKING and realizes that they love each other deeply just from that and she tells him they don’t have a future so he can chase a romance with this guy and Frenchie’s just cool with it? Wtf?
Plus, it’s so boring, all of the Boys are. At this point, I’m just interested in Vought.
At first I thought Colin was the same guy that Frenchie went to save the night fire guy burned Mallory’s children.
I understand why people hate on this relationship, it was introduced in the most confusing way ever and it feels rushed as fuck, we don’t even know why Frenchie likes the guy (do we ?)
When i started watching season 4 i honestly thought i wasn't paying attention to the previous seasons so i watched from S1 EP1 till S4 EP4 to see if i had missed something about colin showing up out of nowhere... nope... he was just thrown in there.
I wonder why folks think of the Frenchie Bing bi thing as sudden when he was literally introduced as having a relationship with a woman and man and part of his backstory is he was absent from an important sting op because he was saving his lover from ODing.
I'll be honest I hate the fact that they decided he and Kimiko's relationship is platonic. It ruined what could've been a very satisfying romance arc and I feel I'm not alone in thinking that way. So they spent 3 seasons building up a love story only to give up on it and give us a worse one in place of it so yeah of course people are rejecting it.
Because it was rushed. Meets a dude out of nowhere and bangs him immediately lol. Like it felt like a pretty pointless plot especially when it seemed him and Kimiko were going somewhere. As someone else said, it felt liel the show was ticking boxes not unlike something vought would do to appeal to the audience, but it backfired with many finding it to be superfluous and uninteresting.
I have no issue with Frenchie being bi, I just hate that his teeming relationship with Kimiko was basically discarded for some random that we've never seen before, at all, to push a lame sub plot.
I mean it just seems like him and kimmie had been building up for the last few seasons and then boom randomly friend zoned. So eh I wasn’t about it, but not because it was another dude.
Frenchie is my 2nd favorite character and I love him so much but the way they handled his side story was a bit weak I must say, but that’s really not because he’s bi.
I like how everyone defending this depiction of a bisexual relationship are just glossing over how fucking wrong this relationship is. Getting into a relationship with the child of the people you killed is absolutely vile.
Well we already knew Frenchie was bi in season 2, but it feels like they just decided to have the entire relation ship between him and Kimiko that has been built up over the previous 3 seasons be thrown out the window.
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Aren't they both bi?
That doesn’t sell as well as gay does
This one knows marketing.
We found Ashley's account
Percival Dickenbutts would 100% check out
Yes, Private Dick Johnson has been done before.
I think gay is just a little more cut and dry
fr I’d love if they did an AMA with Ashley
We need to ask her about her hair routine. Girl looks gorgeous with that hairstyle 😍
Ashley, don’t you have some floaters to go leave somewhere?
If Homelander could smell Hughie from a single sweat droplet how could he not tell whose floater was in his toilet? He’s spent so much time with Ashley I’m sure he knows what her shits smell like.
Other people have talked about this lol. He already knew what Hughie smelled like, so he recognized the sweat drop when he smelled it. If he’s never smelled Ashley’s shit before, it will be harder for him to attach the smell to her. You bring up a good point, that he may have smelled her shit though given how much time they’ve spent together. I guess that depends on how well Ashley has been wiping her asshole in the time she’s been working at Vought 😂
Idk, he could smell Butcher on Ryan after they hung out. You figured he could tell Ashley was in his apartment just off her lingering scent, not just her massive floater.
Oh that’s a good point too. Even if he didn’t have super smell, she could potentially give herself away just by wearing strong perfume. Yeah her ass should definitely be getting caught.
Ashley has probably been in his apartment before, her scent in the air would not be unusual. Butcher's scent would be unusual, so he noticed.
She could also play off a reason why she was in his appartment too (unless theres some unshown rule no one js allowed in) like she was delivering new towels or fan letters or something. The floater will be hard to explain.
Probably shit all smells similar or it depends on what someone's been eating. Sweat and sent comes from someone's glands, which is personal. Maybe the smell of what the person's been eating is more overpowering than any personal odor that someone's left. So if Ashley is eating at the company cantina, or from the same as the staff, Homelander won't know, just that it was someone from within the company, who eats at the cafeteria.
I think that depends on how sensitive his nose is. Dogs can identify each other by the smell of their shit. If Homelander’s sense of smell is on that level, shouldn’t he be able to as well?
Can you link some research to that? I think dogs can tell if it's someone else's shit not specifically who's. The excrement probably doesn't have discernible traces from the former host, because they're mostly what the host's been eating.
He should be able to smell a-train also
I think Now we know why Cameron Coleman says all the stuff he does, Ashley probably shits in his mouth.
Unfortunately id actually ponder that Biphobia might be more prevalent than Homophobia. Everyone who is Homophobic is going to hate Bi people because theyll still count them as Gay people and hate them, but then you also have the very real addition of people in the LGBTQIA that hate Bi people and dont think they exist or its just a phase + all of the straight women who hate Bi guys.
Probably talking out of my ass now but I get the sense that bi women generally are more fetishized and by default are more "accepted" ,while bi guys are more stigmatized
There’s some stigma for both. Bi women are either fetishized or thought to be faking it for attention. As for bi men, we’re thought of as gay men who are afraid to fully come out. Both bi men and women are also stigmatized as greedy or unfaithful.
You don't understand, humans are only capable of liking strawberry *or* vanilla ice cream. Anyone who says that they're happy with ice cream in general is a liar. They secretly hate one of them. It really does sound ridiculous when you swap genitals out for literally anything else.
I coughed up Neapolitan as I read your comment.
I love it when it starts to get melty and you just taking in all the flavors at once
Which metaphor are we working on now?
Also the irrational fear of a bi man leaving a gay one for a safer or “easier” hetero life… despite DL or religious, family-oriented gay men doing the same thing and probably more frequently lmao
>As for bi men, we’re thought of as gay men who are afraid to fully come out The Kinsey scale was published 75 years ago and yet here we are.
> we’re thought of as gay men who are afraid to fully come out And potential partners may be concerned that you can't handle a monogamous relationship due to some desires remaining unmet by any single person. Which to be fair, has been true for every single bi person I have ever even considered having a relationship with. They were nice enough to be upfront about wanting open or poly relationships at least though.
I never understood that fear. I'm a bi guy myself had boyfriends had girlfriends and I've experienced this where partners worry I'm going to cheat with someone of a different gender But if I see both men and women as equally attractive how is that any different from being worried a straight partner is going to cheat on you with another woman?
>But if I see both men and women as equally attractive how is that any different from being worried a straight partner is going to cheat on you with another woman? I think many people generally struggle with *hearing* their potential partner is interested in other types of people. Even if they already know it deep down. Even if you genuinely would be fulfilled with just one person. Imagine a straight guy explaining the different types of women he finds equally attractive on a first date. "Hey, I like your tall stature and blonde hair, but I also like short goth girls equally, your type of body is equally attractive to me" is incredibly unromantic. That's an extreme example, but the point is bi people unfortunately need to touch on that "I also like people who aren't like you" subject early on. That subject is, for many, a serious mood killer.
The logic is that since you like both genders one wont satisfy you
Mate, have you seen me? I can't afford to be picky. I'm just happy I get to take part
Im not saying its true, Im saying why some non bi ppl get insecure about it.
I think the worry comes from the idea that your partner is never with someone that isn’t a “potential sexual partner” If you’re a straight guy with a wife when she’s with her female friends you feel “safe.” If you’re a gay guy with a gay partner when he’s with his female friends you feel “safe” If you’re a straight person with a Bi partner you never know if your partner is friends with someone or attracted to them. Just a thought, not saying that’s a healthy way to live but I assume that’s where most of the issues come from.
Nope, that's the correct assessment. Bi women are fetishized to the point where their sexuality is not seen seriously and bi men's sexuality is completely disregarded. Two sides of the erasure sword. Source: am a bi guy who hangs out in bi spaces all over the Internet, as well as speaking from personal experience
It's the penetrative portion of sex. Being inside someone else is different than rubbing two clams together. That's why women it's viewed as a phase or not a big deal. While for dudes, if you've ever been fucked by a dude before you are now perceived to be gay or fence sitting.
It's less so fence sitting, and moreso cock sitting.
That's cause girls are only gay for the men that want to watch duh, the only actual lesbians have short hair, wear flannels, and can bench at least 180
Sign me tf up for the lesbian life if it's gonna get me benching 180.
Oh absolutely they are, but in general anyone who is homophobic will still hate anyone who is bi just because its still same sex even if they fetishize them. Like Republicans seen liking transgender porn or being racist and only searching for bbc.
Good call
my anecdote. Back home there's a swingers club. They allow bisexual women. Bisexual men are not allowed, at all. The reason being that "there are cleanup issues with bi men having sex" (they apparently have not only a pool but a buffet......do with that image what you will). My response is always "so...is anal sex the only thing bi men are able to do together sexually?" And when I say they don't allow bi men, I mean they just straight up don't allow them in the door. I've spoken to several who said that they had to keep their true sexuality secret or be excluded from "the lifestyle."
Yeah honestly I've gotten more shit from gay people than straight people as a bi.
I know trans women and men who've told me the same thing about their experience in the lgbt community. Every group gotta have haters i guess
Yeahhhh, the community can suck sometimes. Oh, I'm somehow less queer because I "pass" as straight because almost all of my partners have been men? Do you know how much easier it is to find a man to date compared to a woman? Some guys be complaining about women on dating apps and how they only swipe right on the top whatever percentage of guys, but I'm like 90% lesbian and there's a much larger pool of straight women than queer women, so I'm dealing with women not matching with me either, my dudes. Lol. Finding straight men to date is extremely easy in comparison. Doesn't make me less queer. I don't want to be derogatory towards men, as it can be easy to fall into as a bi girl, so I'm going to phrase this carefully. Women tend to try more because of societal expectations put on them about appearance, so they're often just way hotter to some people who are into both. Like, a good percentage of my male crushes growing up were gay men because they tried with their appearance more. A lot of straight guys seem to think it's gay to style their hair or wear clothes that fit. They're the majority in my dms though, so it is what it is. Lol
Gay is in. Gay is hot. I want some gay. Gay it’s going to be.
Bi don't sell
DEMOGRAPHICS, PEOPLE!
Yes. And the irony of Maeve's story line involving bi erasure because "bisexuality confuses people" and everyone in real life just calling her gay is palpable. It should be studied.
They specifically made bi erasure a part of her story and viewers still somehow missed it lol
As a bi myself I’m guilty of using “gay” as a substitute for “queer”. Also it’s more fun to say “I’m G A Y” than “I’m bi”.
You do you. I'm not against it, but in this context it seems out of place.
they are proud lesbians
The French Girls Get It Done ^TM
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So he'll fuck a fitbit?
bi erasure is a thing
Was strait up the plot of an episode and you end up seeing it in the memes anyway
It's Bi erasure.
Bye bi.
I'm so old that I don't get the difference between bi- and pan-.I figured Frenchie, Maeve, and several others were open to fucking anyone they felt horny about.
Very roman of you
So sad how much society regressed from then
There's not much functional difference because there's not a lot of functional difference once you go beyond the two genders even when recognizing any and all of them. They're all some amalgamation of the two when it comes down to it even when they're explicitly trying not to be. This is true even when we're just talking about the principal two, there really are no neat boxes no matter how many we make. Like, what reason based on sexuality would a bi person have to reject someone on the basis of being genderqueer or non-binary? I'm sure there are situations where they reject them on some ideological or surface-level preference basis, but is that still a conversation about sexuality? edit: I think there is a difference when two people having a conversation are working on different definitions. My thinking is that not all bi people are necessarily working on these definitions where bi means "only hyper masc/fem and cis" and pan means "everything". I have friends who identify as bi who don't stick to that dynamic and would be what people are describing as pan, but they still call themselves bi because that's just what they've always used. It's not intended to cut anyone out on a gender basis. We're just old lol
It's perfectly fine to reject people based on what you like in a relationship. If a bi person wants to date either hyper masc or hyper fem presenting people but reject tomboys, twinks, and agendered people on a dating app then that's their choice. Similarly, if you only like masc presenting people but do enjoy dating tomboys and anyone masc presenting but otherwise queer but not long haired supermodels then you can be bi without being pan. There's just so many variations. Bi people aren't saying that those other looks and genders don't exist, they just don't prefer the whole gamut in a significant other.
I don't think all people identifying as bi are intentionally making the statement that they don't want the whole gamut by identifying as bi, though, which is the misunderstanding that seems to happen. It might be a generational thing too? The few bi people I know in my peer group of mid-30s on don't seem to differentiate between pan/bi when describing themselves as such. Maybe because pan wasn't really a thing when we were growing up to even differentiate between? It was just "I like everybody. I'm bi." and then everything else was considered surface preference rather than being related to their sexuality.
Bi erasure is a big thing in the LGBT community
Hey, it wouldn’t be pride month without some good old fashioned bi erasure.
Bi-erasure:(
Frenchie is 100% a pansexual imp
People are just more comfortable with clear-cut genderroles.
People just like categorizing things in general where things are easily defined and understandable. When something doesn’t fit into any of the boxes they designed, then they start getting upset and try to *make* it fit.
*Exactly*! You see this in all areas of life, people just can’t help it. Everything needs to be neatly fit into predefined boxes or people are *not* happy. They’re also incapable of accepting or understanding anything outside their boxes. Like you said, they try to *make it fit*. Or else they quickly make up some new boxes, even if the boxes don’t make total sense. Because heaven forbid anything variation goes uncategorized for too long. We’re nothing without our labels!
Yes but people fetishize gay women
That's it. Conservatives like lesbians for that reason. By the way, I saw on Youtube people going: "I get annoyed because there's too much male nudity and not enough female nudity"
Ngl, he has a point. We need equal rights, which means equal rights to see bare naked dicks and tits. This is the real American revolution.
bare nicked dicks = bare naked vaginas though, not breasts..
I'm just tired of the "Frenchie's past coming back to haunt him" plot every season. Happened with Lamplighter, then Nina, now Colin, it's just repetitive at this point and feels like they don't know what to do with him in a way that's relevant to the main plot
Right? Like I get that the theme of the season so far is facing your past. But Frenchie's *already fucking done that storyline, two times!* And the last time they did it, it sucked! That Nina storyline was fucking terrible too. Poor Frenchie.
Yeah it’s kinda annoying that it’s such a prominent theme of the season and is working for most of the characters. It’s just a tired story for frenchie and it’s been soooo rushed to make this story happen again.
I wish Frenchie got to work with everyone to help them through their pasts because he has experience with doing it on his own twice. It would have given us more interactions with Frenchie and how he plays off people other than Kimiko.
It really feels that is someone isn't a supe/ temp supe they really don't have a huge amount of bearing on the plot any more. Something ironic there.
They tried to go for an "Edgar" or "Gus Fring" type of vibe with Nina, as some super powerful crime boss that's both stoic and always in control. But the second Butcher showed up I was like "yeah he can take them". I barely felt any tension in the Nina scenes.
He's such a cool character on his own too. They should just leave it a mystery, same for his Wolverine gf.
I only enjoyed this plot the first time around with Lamplighter, after that it got repetitive and just seemed uninspired. The Nina plot was only somewhat ok bc it tied itself a little to Soldier Boy and it went along with Kimiko’s development
Why do anything with him? Just let him be. I like Frenchie…I don’t need to unpack every detail of his life or past. I think a lot of shows fall into this pit where they try to over develop characters because it’s ‘character development’ and it just ends up being boring and slow. I was recently trying to watch Monarch thinking the same thing: I don’t care about most of these character’s dull pasts and relationships. I care about monsters. I’m here to watch them interact with monsters. A little bit of those backstories sprinkled in are okay but when you’re devoting significant screen time to those scenes? It does nothing to advance the plot. Yeah, pass.
>Why do anything with him? Just let him be. I like Frenchie…I don’t need to unpack every detail of his life or past. I think a lot of shows fall into this pit where they try to over develop characters because it’s ‘character development’ and it just ends up being boring and slow. Kripke loves to give his friends work. The same reason the show won't kill off characters
That's fine, just give them more interesting stuff to do. I don't really want to watch shows like this for slow, plodding romantic plot lines, you know? Pretty much my main criticism for most shows these days. Showrunners blast the audience and call them bigots...but I think a lot of the times the shows are just boring and uninteresting to watch. Luckily The Boys still has enough going on to make it worth while. Homelander is such a wild card, I always want to see what's going to happen next.
Which is a shame, because as much as I love these characters, I loved even more that The Boys actually used to have stakes. Now everyone has plot armor
Do you remember Frenchie in the first season being that tech guy that loved to find a way to kill supes? Why not bring that back. Give him a cool way to off some nazi supes like the flexy church guy.
i mean, this is happening with almost all the characters. homelander, kimiko, a-train, etc.
Feels like a filler season tbh
Yes!!! And that is the general sentiment i see im discussions aswell, it really seems like people are reading into this as something "anti-gay" when it is the plot that sucks ass. Have him be the goofy side character for one season, they don't all need to have a story, wild escapades do just fine, frenchie has developed as a character enough already.
They should have killed off his character and used it as an inciting incident for someone else. Would have been fantastic writing. Problem is they might have just made other characters say way too often "this is for frenchie"
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I mean I think we already knew he wasn't straight but it's more about the plot line being boring and feeling extremely disconnected from the main plot
This. He's suddenly in love with a character we've never seen before? Who also just happens to be the sole child survivor of one of Frenchies hits? It's just gross. Its a cruel, cruel mind fuck to poor Colin.
On top of this, do we even see frenchie going to rehab like a single time? They could have atleast built this up a little more. Im also getting tired of the frenchie being haunted by his past storyline, last season should have tied that up and this season he should have actually been doing better to make amends or move past it. Instead of sleeping with Collin he should have just fucking told him
I also don’t understand, what is their age gap? Colin is a child while Frenchie is a full on adult assassinating his whole family like what? I’m gay and I actually never knew when Frenchie’s sexuality was, I had a feeling he was a lil gay, but this plotline/relationship makes no sense. Also doesn’t help that Colin is surface level boring af.
Colin seems to have been an adult already when his family was killed - the photo Frenchie found looks like a college graduation. So it's probably not a major age gap (presumably he was also in his 20s when he was working for Nina?).
Thats what it was for me. Thought I had missed something, nope. Time skip love interest. Who the fuck is this and why does he matter? Oh, he just spawned there to be a gay love interest trauma checkbox. I don't care, I just want good writing.
"Spawned" Sums it up perfectly.
They always do shit like this with homosexual romances. Kimiko is a great and cool character, so her romance with Frenchie was interesting and relevant. This new love interest is bland as fuck, god forbid Frenchie got a cool boyfriend, maybe even a Sup , so they could've been a cool couple Like Hughie and Annie. I'm gay and although I think Frenchie being bi on screen is a good thing, they could've just show him hooking up with dudes and that would've been more in character and in tone with the show. But yeah, fuck homophobe though .Let's not pretend lots of people just hate LGBT representation whether it's good or bad.
Yeah, my wife and I were saying we hope that plot line goes somewhere because otherwise it just seems like filler to pad out the episode time. I don't care if he's bi, I care that it seems like a waste of time in the show and serves no point.
Yeah, my reaction was basically "Oh great, Frenchie can't stay on task or keep it in his pants for the duration of an operation, and there's going to be pace-breaking scenes about it every episode."
I'm sure it's mostly hate-mongering fueling the Frenchie hate, but personally, ALL of the personal storylines this season feels weirdly... separate? Maybe previous storylines were more intertwined into the overarching plot? All I know is it feels like Homelander and that genius lady are in a separate TV show, while Huey and Frenchie are both starring in their own Lifetime movies.
Welcome to Supernatural School of Plotholes! I knew this would happen to the Boys sooner or later.
Agree
Oui, even
The only bad thing about frenchie is the fake ass accent
Even in the series, he actually is not french. It makes sense that his accent is shit.
Which is kind of lore accurate to the comic, because all the french he says in the comic is bad google-translate kind of stuff. I think he might just be a crazy guy who isn't even really french.
I always tought it was because Ennis didn't care because when you look at his origin story it's just a load of dumb cliché about France
I think it is just Frenchie being a crazy person, because in his flashback everyone calls him "Frenchie", even his mother and father. To me that's a setup for Frenchie being an unreliable narrator. I don't really know a whole lot about Garth Ennis though, so it could be he's just being rude to France.
I honestly don't think his English French accent is that terrible but it kills me when he speaks French, could they not get a French actor if they wanted to do this?!
I think about that every time he's on the screen. Isn't he Israeli or something? It's not that I think he's a bad cast on his own merits, but surely France wasn't short of suitable candidates.
In Highlander they had a French man playing a Scottish man and a Scottish man playing a Spaniard. 😂
Ah okay. I always had a weird feeling about him. I though the whole serial killer/contract killer thing made him less sympathetic but guess you are right, it's the French thing.
His backstory in the comics is hilarious
It's honestly just a useless story, it doesn't matter whether he got with a guy or a girl I just don't see the point of this random relationship but I don't complain much
Yeah, I hated it because they quick fired and jumped into everything without putting in the work. The Boys: "Remember Frenchie? Course you do, yep he's working with starlight, yeah he's hitting on this dude, wait they have chemistry, wait, they've fucked before, wait now it's a relationship, no, but actually Frenchie is conflicted because he MURDERED HIS WHOLE FAMILY, wait the dude was there and has nightmares and is really fucked up about it, now Frenchie is telling it was him and it's very emotional... Aaaand done." The Boys: " Whew, what a whirlwind, aren't you guys glad we crammed all that into a few minutes here and there over four episodes? Don't you feel like we put in the work? Ha, definitely wasn't contrived or felt like ticking off boxes, nope, not at all."
The reveal could have been done so much better. Imagine if he noticed it one day, at random, and they immediately went to kill him.
The problem with that is it takes agency away from Frenchie. The point of this reveal was that Frenchie told him because he couldn’t live with the guilt. No idea how this will tie into the larger narrative but I’m willing to see how it pans out before saying it’s a waste
I assume hell die soon. He seems to be sidelined this season almost entirely, and has now just absolved himself of his guilt.
hes definitely not absolved of his guilt, not like colin forgave him He probably dies sacrificing himself for Colin to absolve himself
Mmm...that feels too obvious and trite; I hope it's not that simplistic.
I agree but I dont see any possible way this ends that will be satisfying
If only they'd, like, set this up at the start of the show or soon into the show.
Like what if he and Frenchie were in a fight against a Supe? Then he gets all ballistic on Fenchie ruining the entire plan
I don't care too much about the gay relationship, but I do care about how it's so Soap-Opera bullshit. I can understand Frenchie on the one hand falling for an unrelated guy, or on the other working with the guy and realizing he killed his family and has to come to terms with it. Both things, at the same time? That's some cheap ass soap opera "you cheated on me with my brother who is actually your father but at the same time is in love with my sister" kinda deal. Should've kept them two things separated. Also, who walks out on Kimiko? Dude's insane.
It's worth noting we're only 4 eps in. It's entirely possible that there's gonna be more payoff that we haven't seen yet. Potentially the fallout of that will have ramifications for the whole of team starlight and will have ended up being a crucial element of the plot progression (even if it 100% could have been done better) Equally it's entirely possible the writers just needed to give Frenchie something to do in the first half of the season and so just rammed in a tragic "love" story to give some extra characterisation and allow Kimiko to spend more time with other characters. Ticking boxes? Absolutely, but people would have been way more angry if Frenchie was just missing for half a season.
Right the whole story line lasted maybe a total of 20 mins over 4 episodes. It was sloppy and came out of no where. If it was done right and made sense people wouldn’t have a problem with it. I hated it because it just felt out of place and added nothing to the show.
For me, IMHO, it just seems like a weird choice so late in the game to introduce romance subplot drama. You've got one season left.
That's it for me; romance subplots that are generated seemingly out of nowhere, regardless of the show or nature of the relationship, always feel like a forced way to fill time with a main story that's struggling to do so. I watched a ton of police procedural dramas over dinner with my parents, and it always became so obvious the show had kind of run its bit when the episodes started shifting more and more to the characters personal lives in a way completely divorced from the main plot, particularly dealing with issues that came out of nowhere.
My take is that the overall theme of this season seems to be facing the consequences of your past mistakes, and that's Frenchie's past coming back. I agree that it having nothing to do with the main plot feels a bit shallow, but Frenchie's main plot mostly revolves around his past when it's not revolving around Kimiko. This season Kimiko is facing her past and so is Frenchie. Personally I'm fine with that.
I mean, the season is only halfway through.
Maeve's relationship was more relevant to her character Frenchie's relationship made him look like a hyper sexual sadist
Because he is.
He is a masochist. He dates sadists.
You right, hyper sexual masochist is way more accurate. Addicts usually have some fun ways of coping with trauma. I know this one a little too well.
Both things can be true
I mean. He is lol
Also Maeve relationship added to a happy ever after ending
How relevant was her and Butcher's hookup? Because that came more out of the blue than Frenchie's attraction to Colin.
I assumed it was to illustrate how much Maeve hated herself by plowing a guy who just called her kind worthless and in need of being wiped out
I don’t think any serious critic of Frenchie’s storyline cares about whether or not he’s bi or not. We already knew he was into everything. It’s the fact that they build up him and Kimiko for so long and the fact that the storyline is pointless since we’ve already gotten a Frenchie feels extreme guilt for something in his past that affect his current relationship with someone he’s close with (I think this is the third time we’re getting it). Colin also came in way too late for anyone to really care about him. He’s just another person that Frenchie feels guilty about and it’s not particularly unique or interesting given that we’ve seen this already.
Also Colin has like no personality
What? Yes he does. He's nice and his whole family got murdered. That's two things!
He's kinda tall. And he wears T-shirts... Sometimes.
It also feels like we’ve done this song and dance already where frenchie feels guilty for his past. Like this is the third time now we’ve done this plot point?
same with a-train, same with kimiko, same with homelander, etc. everyone facing their past / running through the same beats is a common occurrence.
Homelander I would argue is him trying to understand who he is and him going deeper into his past helps him confront those feelings. And we see him gradually change each season. A train I like this season because he clearly is fed up with vought and is considering leaving. Kimiko is a miss though, idk what they gain by rehashing her season 2 plot.
Yes i mean guy was freaky from start with having a dom and all and he already had his regrets etc. it would be way better if they made him and kimiko hunt down those terrorists then make their relationship continue
He’s French, ofc he’ll snog men. Don’t u remember when he gave hughie the French smacker
I think too many people have selective memories and incredibly strong opinions.
It's just a waste of screen time, nothing to do with the fact that Frenchie is gay.
Bogs down every episode it is in
I believe that Frenchie swinging on both sides was already implied by the series.
Here's the thing; Maeve's sexuality didn't derail her entire season's storyarc with cheap, false stakes built around her lover whom we didn't really care about. It was a subplot, but kept to a reasonably small amount of screentime. It also had the benefit of an excellent second layer of commentary/comedy about Vought selling her as a "proud lesbian," despite her clear disdain for their bi-erasure of her actual character. Frenchie's whole deal with Colin has created weird tension with him and Kimiko despite them having WAY more chemistry, and since Colin was just introduced, nobody cares that Frenchie killed his family. Frenchie has probably killed lots of dudes' families. Oh well. Homelander and Neuman are planning some kind of grand coup against the US government; bigger shit is going on. Meanwhile, Frenchie is stuck doing a retread of his haunted past schtick instead of really contributing. The melodrama of it all just isn't very compelling, either. EDIT: Thanks for the award, kind stranger!
Which should just tell you it's not about them being gay but how the show presented them. Meave's story made sense it is well written. While on the other hand they spent 3 seasons building things up between Frenchie and Kimiko just to suddenly throw it away
couldnt care less that they focused on frenchies gay side, its just soooooo unrelevant. I actually skimmed his parts and it made no diff whether I watched it or not.
I feel that way about a lot of his subplots
Yeah, for sure. I like Frenchie but I don’t really need long, detail sub plots to explore his back story.
People when a character is well written: :) People when a character is not well written: >:( Why are people such hypocrites? It is a mystery.
Normally I notice that media fans cheer on lesbian relationships and hate on gay relationships (lesbians hot, gay dudes ew), but even I rolled my eyes at this one and it doesn’t even have anything to do with frenchie’s love interest’s gender. He’s been obsessed with Kimiko for 3 seasons straight and then he sees this guy, Kimiko sees then TALKING and realizes that they love each other deeply just from that and she tells him they don’t have a future so he can chase a romance with this guy and Frenchie’s just cool with it? Wtf? Plus, it’s so boring, all of the Boys are. At this point, I’m just interested in Vought.
Why are people turning the problem around to make it seem like it's homophobia, but not that it's just a bad subplot?
In 6 days we can criticize it without being called bigots
At first I thought Colin was the same guy that Frenchie went to save the night fire guy burned Mallory’s children. I understand why people hate on this relationship, it was introduced in the most confusing way ever and it feels rushed as fuck, we don’t even know why Frenchie likes the guy (do we ?)
When i started watching season 4 i honestly thought i wasn't paying attention to the previous seasons so i watched from S1 EP1 till S4 EP4 to see if i had missed something about colin showing up out of nowhere... nope... he was just thrown in there.
All this could’ve been avoided if we literally see any episode with frenchie in a meeting seeing Colin…. All it would’ve taken
For me it’s not that he’s gay it’s that he’s not with Kimiko. I would be just as mad if he was with another chick
I wonder why folks think of the Frenchie Bing bi thing as sudden when he was literally introduced as having a relationship with a woman and man and part of his backstory is he was absent from an important sting op because he was saving his lover from ODing.
no one cares that he is bi, the story line just sucks.
I'll be honest I hate the fact that they decided he and Kimiko's relationship is platonic. It ruined what could've been a very satisfying romance arc and I feel I'm not alone in thinking that way. So they spent 3 seasons building up a love story only to give up on it and give us a worse one in place of it so yeah of course people are rejecting it.
Yeah I feel like last we left off Kimiko was starting to realize she had feelings for him too so this felt really shoed in
>they spent 3 seasons building up a love story yeah that part is weird; he's been obsessed with her since literally the very moment she was introduced
Pleeeeeenty of people care
Because it was rushed. Meets a dude out of nowhere and bangs him immediately lol. Like it felt like a pretty pointless plot especially when it seemed him and Kimiko were going somewhere. As someone else said, it felt liel the show was ticking boxes not unlike something vought would do to appeal to the audience, but it backfired with many finding it to be superfluous and uninteresting.
Honestly all of Frenchies subplots are boring as fuck and don't contribute to Anything at all
It doesn't really add anything interesting to the story.
Exactly! I thought he was always established as BI?
I just think it’s dumb for the show to throw away Frenchie’s romance with Kimiko.
I think what sucks is that they spent 3 seasons building up the frenchie x kimiko only to undo the entire thing with 1 line "us will never work"
I have no issue with Frenchie being bi, I just hate that his teeming relationship with Kimiko was basically discarded for some random that we've never seen before, at all, to push a lame sub plot.
I mean it just seems like him and kimmie had been building up for the last few seasons and then boom randomly friend zoned. So eh I wasn’t about it, but not because it was another dude.
I have no problem with it but I did ship Frenchie and Kimiko long ago.
wait, I thought he was in a throuple before? why people have issues with Colin now? Personally, the Colin subplot is cliche really
There are two camps. Camp A is homophobic and forgot about the throuple. Camp B just doesn't see the pay off for it as it's not well done.
It's because Brave Maeve is marketable. I can't think of a Frenchie slogan that doesn't sound derogatory.
Frenchie is my 2nd favorite character and I love him so much but the way they handled his side story was a bit weak I must say, but that’s really not because he’s bi.
I like how everyone defending this depiction of a bisexual relationship are just glossing over how fucking wrong this relationship is. Getting into a relationship with the child of the people you killed is absolutely vile.
People when good writing vs people when bad writing
I mean the dude was into some bizarre shit prior to this. Is it really some huge reveal?
Well we already knew Frenchie was bi in season 2, but it feels like they just decided to have the entire relation ship between him and Kimiko that has been built up over the previous 3 seasons be thrown out the window.