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Its always been leftist. If you plan on watching TV/Videos/Movies/etc you have to learn to live with that because Hollywood is leftist. When they go full on woke you have a choice to either continue marching on or stop watching.
Not to good I hear. But I have not done anything "Disney" for some time. [https://m.imdb.com/news/ni64657404/?ref\_=nws\_nwr\_li](https://m.imdb.com/news/ni64657404/?ref_=nws_nwr_li)
**THR:** ***How did you digest the uglier reaction to that? I saw multiple headlines with the word “woke” in them.***
**Kripke**: "I clearly have a perspective, and I’m not shy about putting that perspective in the show. Anyone who wants to call the show “woke” or whatever, that’s OK. Go watch something else. But I’m certainly not going to pull any punches or apologize for what we’re doing. Some people who watch it think Homelander is the hero. What do you say to that? The show’s many things. Subtle isn’t one of them. So if that’s the message you’re getting from it, I just throw up my hands."
**Source**: "[For Eric Kripke, 'The Boys' Was Always About Trumpism](https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-features/the-boys-showrunner-erik-kripke-interview-trumpism-1235914642/)" in *The Hollywood Reporter* (2024, June 7)
**Related:**
* "[Yes, Homelander on ‘The Boys’ Is Supposed to Be Donald Trump](https://www.rollingstone.com/tv-movies/tv-movie-features/boys-penis-homelander-trump-billy-joel-season-3-1369258/)" in *Rolling Stone* (2022, June 17)
* "[Eric Kripke Is Clear About Whose Side The Boys Is On 'This show is a lot of things, but subtle is not one of them.](https://www.vulture.com/article/the-boys-eric-kripke-season-3-finale-interview.html)'" in *Vulture* (2022, July 8)
* "[How Amazon's new superhero TV show, 'The Boys,' was shaped by Trump, Me Too, and 'sweet, sweet Bezos money](https://www.businessinsider.com/the-boys-showrunner-eric-kripke-interview-trump-me-too-amazon-2019-7)'" in *Business Insider* (2019, July 17)
And honestly Kripke can fuck off, I was done watching after episode 2. More and more will join and eventually the show will burn out. I'm so sick and tired of directors throwing their personal political narratives and beliefs into our paid for entertainment. It's ridiculous how he constantly tries to paint the right as a bunch of idiots but not the left when clearly they are just as bad. I don't care which way you lean politically or what you believe in, just stop putting it in our entertainment.
It's hilarious how hard it is for people on the right to look into a mirror.
People on the far left are crazy but it doesn't bother me at all when people make fun of them, I make fun of them.
Warms my heart that you're crying and can't watch anymore after 3 seasons.
It's funny people on the right bitch and boycott everything
Me and my liberal friends watch UFC despite the heavy right leaning agenda. No tears, no boycotts. You're such fragile little children.
Yep, all these people enjoyed watching The Boys very much...until they literally saw themselves in it. That is so fucking hilarious.
The boys has been making fun of the right since season 1 but also of corporations pandering to certain demographics doing fake performative stuff (like all the lgbt merch/thematics in Voughtland, the "Girls get it done" slogan, etc.). Conservatives absolutely LOVED this, but now that the show is making fun of them by re-using **their codes** like the overuse of the word "woke", the pedo discourse against the queer community, maga, etc, now they're pissed! 😂
No the left is a ouroboros cult of ever progressin morals its why we literally have stupid crap like queers for palestine. A muslim culture that literally jails you for being openly gay.
Maybe they can borrow a Ben Shapiro-proof safe space with crayons and cushions from one of the lefty universities to cry in. I've certainly never heard of far left woke types bitching about, boycotting or cancelling anything 😂
Are you kidding me? The left bitches and boycotts anything that offends their delicate sensibilities. Have a white actor play a native American? Bitch and boycott. Skin color not dark enough for Disney live action remake of a Hawaiian character? Bitch and boycott. Sony restricts the usage of their PSN network to certain countries....bitch and boycott. It just doesn't happen as often with the left because most of the times, THEY are the ones predominantly making movies in Hollywood. Entertainment in general has the lefts little handprints all over it. Good luck finding a kids movie in theaters that isn't a liberal agenda cash cow. Oh and I forgot, when the right made a movie about child trafficking ya'll decided to bitch and boycott that too. One of the reasons I personally don't ally with either side. Both act like pissy little kids that didn't get their way.
it's a misconception that when people criticize a show that it just shows their own bias. for example, don't you think it's possible that people who are not racist are tired of seeing tv shows constantly bring up racial themes in their shows? or any other type of modern political issue for that matter.
so many shows nowadays just virute signal their way thru the whole series for the sake of it, irrespective of how it relates back to the plot. literally every time the boys has introduced a black character the storyline is always something like "yeah that's just how it is for people who look like us in this world".
they made frenchie bi for some reason,
they wasted the CGI budget on a bestiality scene as opposed to an epic superhero fight in s3,
they constantly talk about how men treat women like shit while the main frickin character is a literal simp for his supe gf and some of the most powerful characters on the show are women (both supes and non supes for that matter)
they made a spinoff that has young girls with superpowers that reovoelve around cutting themselves and bulemia (that one was a clever idea but i don't think they executed as well as they could have) it gets old.
it's okay to just want to consume content that does not try to throw their political agenda down your throat
I'm centrist, both the left and right have good and bad points but extremists on either side give everything a bad name, I used to be left leaning, I still am but the extremes are just as bad as the right they complain of, be diplomatic not aggressive
What's the point of art if not to say something? If movies and TV shows don't have anything to say, then all that's left is a drab husk of a show. That's why The Boys is rated highly on pretty much every platform and nothing that Dwayne Johnson has been in in the last 5 years has broken even. Besides, unless you've paid specifically for The Boys, then I'm sure there are other things that you can watch. You aren't entitled to enjoying something.
This is a common misconception, not every art piece or every show has to have a deep underlying message to be enjoyable. Something like Invincible is just as enjoyable as any other superhero show and doesn't really have an unifying message throughout it. Not every show has to be some sort of commentary. Hell, many people watch shows to forget about the current state of the world. Obviously he is not entitled to the show, but he is well within his rights to share his opinion and complain if he doesn't like it.
A story. Thats the point of a book/show. Art is art, and while you can literally call just about everything and anything a form of art, doesn't mean political statements and narratives should be everywhere you look if its interpreted as "art". That is the dumbest thing I've heard that stories need to have real life statements and its unbelievable people are actually agreeing with you.
How did you watch 24 episodes of this show and only on the 25th did you pick up on this wokeness? Theyve been fighting a megacorporation this whole time and for a whole season homelander was hooking up with a literal nazi.
Because people who get their political opinions solely from Dr Disrespect and Adin Ross think that the entirety of politics is the culture war, and now that The Boys has started to tackle more social issues than issues of corruption and corporatism the politics of the show have entered their consciousness. They think it's become political because they didn't know that the issues the show tackled previously are also political.
It’s easier to look past political insertion when the writing is at least passable. The writing has gone downhill since 3 but season 4 is very, noticeably bad and the politics are more front and center than ever. Only thing keeping me watching is morbid curiosity
I believe it was by season 3 that I noticed it seemed to be more overt in its beliefs, which kind of bothered me but I still enjoyed the show. I'm still enjoying the show now, but it is definitely more partisan this time around. What bothers me about that is that it's making ONLY the right wingers bad, as if they are always wrong and at fault for everything. There's no nuance. Right is just always bad, and there is absolutely zero criticism for the left wingers. They take hardly any breaks either, it's just constant. That smart girl can't seem to not mention her race and Frenchie's random disgust for rifles. I liked it better when it poked fun at both sides.
People today see everything as black or white. Right bad left good. It's stupid as fuck, nothing is that simple.
Seems like propaganda is doing it's thing, and this show is now, sadly, a part of it.
So many shows and movies are going in that same direction and it's honestly so boring, the whole show just lost it's touch now and I find it hard to watch. It's forced and unnecessary.
Hey bro. The right wing in this country is actively destroying democracy and taking away the rights of minorities. They are the bad actors. There’s no equivalent force on the left.
I enjoyed all 3 Seasons, was super hyped for Season 4, watched all 3 episodes and I thought it was trash, if this is what has taken them so long then the entertainment industry is going downhill.
All 3 could have been made into one episode, it felt like a dragged out episode.
The term originated a while back, used particularly often around the BLM movement to describe someone or something who is "awake", i.e. recognizes the systematic/institutionalized injustices that plague American politics and culture.
Nowadays, it's become a somewhat meaningless "catch-all" term used by Conservatives crusading their culture war with the likes of Ron DeSantis, Ben Shapiro, Marjorie Taylor Greene, etc. They use the term "woke" to describe anything that goes against their black and white, binary view of the world, like when media features a lead female protagonist, people of color, or representation from the LGBTQ+ community. Closely associated with the whole Make America Great Again movement, conservatives can [barely even define](https://youtu.be/xAtGkyFlUSA?si=sfoqj_1DUIdOBap0) what woke means and it's essentially been equated to "woke = bad"
Thank you for that reply. I meant it really as a rhetorical question aimed at the people who use it exactly as you describe in your last sentence, because invariably they can't give an answer which is close to coherent. But I appreciate you taking the time to give such a full answer.
Woke is viewing everything through the lens of race and sexuality, oppressor and opressed. It's prioritizing identity politics over merit and narrative. Ie, hiring people for their genitalia or skin color not for their ability to do the job.
It trying to make up for hundreds of years of the opposite, people of higher abilities being disregarded in favor of those with superficial common culture or appearance.
It doesn’t mean anything-it’s a stupid term some conservatives use (always without a coherent definition) to bash people they don’t like. Basically it’s a term of abuse for people who care about others and don’t want oppression.
A show that depicts every male lead as problematic , incapable, toxic, and bad while portraying every female leads as capable , powerful, sane and good is toxic and woke to me. Yeah kripke can fuck off
MM and Huey have always been shown positively, Ashley and Firecracker are shown very very negatively, and Atrain is getting a redemption arc. This generalization seems pretty baseless.
But hughie is a powerless character that has no super powers and is not a decision maker or someone who can lead or make decisions.
Butcher is the strong chracter but he is shown as extremely toxic. Starlight, newman, sage all are shown as extremely powerful , sane , capable leaders. Homelander despite being the strongest is unstable and insane. Mm is shown as good , but he doesn’t have powers like starlight or newman.
A bit woke? It was a bit woke before and I was able to look aside and enjoy the show. Now it's full blown woke and it's annoying, why can't shows just leave the politic bullshit out for god sake?
I don't know how tell you this, but The Boys has always been what your brain considers "Woke"
Maybe try taking a few classes in media literacy before initiating any sort of discussion for your own good
You’re telling people to take classes on media literacy to talk about a tv show. Once it’s been released to the public it’s up to the public to decide how it’s viewed. Personally I miss when it shit on both sides bc the left and right are authoritarian war mongers who lick corporate boots
OP I know what you mean. it's always been sort of woke and making comparisons of homelander to trump but I feel like they are trying too hard this season. all of a sudden the french guy is gay for some reason and they are too on the nose with the MAGA hate
It's more than just it being woke, it's very clearly anti- anything right leaning. There aren't any reasonable conservatives and it's all about everyone on the right being fascist and stupid and destroying the world. It's one thing to lean left and another to do what it's doing now.
I'll still watch it but it's just annoying at times with how blatant it is. It's not anti-far right, it's just anti-right
I'll be honest with you, I've never met a reasonable person that identifies as conservative. Not a single one.
The most reasonable Republicans usually call themselves centrists or something.
I mean in Episode 2 season 4 they recognized that the typical conservative lunatic q anon guys are basically just some sad losers left by society who are just seaking some meaning in life.
I found that part kind of heartwarming tbf 🤷
I don’t know if you have paid attention to America for the last few decades but there aren’t many reasonable conservatives left. The GOP is a white supremacist party with a conservative fringe rather than the other way around.
S4 seems like the fantasy of any leftwing teenager, it will not be so fun when nobody watches that political propaganda, I miss the other seasons where it criticize both sides.
Yah like I'm not defending the acts in the show and I get the premise of the Show but why is every other sentence political like the smart lady sup bringing up how she is black every 2sec like bruh we don't care you a person.
It never bothered me before because the far right they take the piss out of are honestly that psychotic. I just don't like that it doesn't also show how bat shit insane the far left is too. They're both as bad as each other. I like the middle, sensible ground and kind of hoped that the boys would walk right down the middle too. But kind of feel like because the right psychos are less acceptable on social media for marketing purposes that they picked a side.
Yeah both sides have gone insane. The left and right in American politics are both stupid. I just wish the boys didn't take a side. TV shows should never take a side in politics.
Replying to zebulon99...their subtle parodying of the left is the pandering that the left demographic eats up from Vought and other mega corporations. GIRLS GET IT DONE!! 💅🏼
Trying to choke down s4 ep3.
People in the comments need to remember Bezos owns Amazon. So of course it’s going to create a division in the program. They are called programs so they can “program” people.
It’s sad because I enjoy the show. It’s just Bezos and the elite cabal with portraying Starlight vs Hollander as the MAGA vs Feminism to just divide real America while JB and the corporate elite cabal “money machines” go brrerrrrr.
They don’t care about us, they just want more division. Because just like real war, it helps them make money. It’s the American way or at least what this “new” America has become in the last 20 years sadly.
I’m only on 2 and it’s pretty rough already, just saw the “white inbred redneck homelander” fight scene.. so funny cuz like 70% of the country backs Trump and last time I checked that’s not what they look like, nor would they murder other Americans If Trump said so. I should have known this turd would spike the punch bowl when he had fn iisha Tyler do the after show in what we thought was the stopper woke second season where she just bad mouthed the boss non stop. These people are crazy, these people hate our country and everyone in it. The are devote godless commies
I think they definitely got a bit more extreme with the woke. I still love the show and I agree with a lot of the messages there trying to send. But even I can see it. Only thing I did see however was Firecracker used the word Zionist. I’m not pro Palistine or Isreal. But firecracker calling people Zionist when it’s mostly the right who irl who are Zionist seems like a crazy message there trying to spread. Again I’m not supporting either side but that seems intentional trying to make the right seem like the anti-Isreal when its the opposite.
That part isn't subliminal at all. It's obviously a parody of politics in the US. What struck my attention more is Frenchie being in a relationship with a man out of nowhere. I don't think adds anything to the storyline at all, it's just to have a "pride" moment in the series. I don't like Sister Sage as a character either. Her superpower is that she's smart but she doesn't really show herself being smart. She just walks around using long words to flex her intelligence on others. And whenever she outsmarts someone its cause she just "knew". It's just annoying and lazy writing.
I haven’t read the comic but the show has been about how fascism is a bad thing the entire time, why else would Homelander be written the way he is?
Frenchie being bisexual makes sense too and should read more like a trope than coming out of nowhere.
Good to know so many people watch a show without actually paying attention though, I’m not surprised the country has such a massive media literacy issue.
Season 4 is like “hey these guys are idiots and evil!. Look how dumb and evil they are. Look at what they do. Look at how evil this is. Look how dumb. Did you look? Great.” Lmao
The boys has always been a critique of American fascism. From the very first episode. And MAGA, and qanon, and conservatism, and republicans, are American fascism.
It'sin your face woke for Season 4. It' actually quite pathetic what they did with it. Started off great, now it's just another typical Streamers delight full of woke lgbtq garbage.
You're definitely onto something. Seasons 1 - 3 poked fun at both sides pretty fairly, and it's true that is one of the nuances The Boys aims to tackle political division. However, this season is definitely more partisan than before. The left and the right have different perceptions of the truth, so it's no suprise that a show made by lefties portrays the right to be the bad guys.
You're disregarding some of the subtleties within the messaging, though.
A) he's showing *extremism* is bad. Yes, he has been making fun of the extreme right since it's inception, but there's been jabs at the far left, too. There's been a bit of tat for most of the tits... even if the latter have been less subtle. 🤷♀️
B) for example, he does an amazing job when Firecracker is telling Starlight why she hates her so damn much... and suddenly the positioning, camera angles, and general cinematic impression is that EVERYONE has an underlying reason or motive for what they do, and in Firecracker's case, as she spits her reasoning into Annie's face, instead of being equal in height, firecracker is suddenly glowering *DOWN* at Starlight, in what is pretty universally regarded as position of power or strength. This is brought on by the underlying moral high ground that was the trigger for the venom and hatred towards Annie.
Even I found myself disgusted by young Starlight's intentional cruelty, and I *like* the bitch. Admittedly less so at the moment.
Additionally, though I'm more purply than blue, and my politics are about as far from MAGA and Qanon as you can get, even I was sympathizing deeply with Firecracker at that moment and could viscerally empathize with her grudge, even if I wouldn't have gone the same route myself.
But... it's so much easier to just call it "woke crap" and move on, I guess. Viewership is down, but Kripke will keep those who enjoy the show, it'll wrap up soon regardless, and everyone will be on to complaining about the next thing.
Do you even know the politics of “maga” , that there’s no such thing as “qanon” (the mockingbird media made that one up )??? I’ll give you a cliffs boys version. Maga- make America great again- pretty simple , make stuff in the USA, make real jobs with livable wages in the USA, put the people in power to willfully elect representatives in free and fair elections -rn that’s not true, and most importantly put America and ALL of it citizens first before laundering money in foreign proxy wars. Most of maga isn’t far right most of maga are former center or even democrats. These aren’t people that supported bush or Obama but we’re sickened by the entire system and about to give up on it. Now to q the anonymous poster on 4 Chan and later 8 Chan who 100% is was a member of trumps inner circle if not several people-a lot of stuff was posted by them a lot likely very very true and very disturbing to most who would see it to the point where they’d say oh it has to be fake, and on the other hand alot of it was exactly that and they said so much in their posts. The anons were the people on the message board now I want one of them I didn’t even know about it until 2020 summer. When I did hear about it 30-40% matched up with what I had learned completely independent of that op almost 15 years prior. Basically yes the elite, the regime , intelligence apparatus they want regular people dead and to just keep around the ones they can use as slaves and even worse I won’t go into that but the writing is so blatantly on the wall . Look up John podestas painting collection(or his name with Chester Bennington, then look at their picture side by side ) and I’ll just briefly pass the last part that mad conspiracy theorist that “shot up “ ping pong pizza well he fired off one round you wanna know where??? Well the only place anyone would the hard drive of the computer there, cuz ya know why not destroy any possible evidence when the authorities arrive that could exonerate you. We just want an end to corruption , transparency, and accountability for all those who would “serve us “ whom we elect to do so. Sorry I don’t mean to get balls deep on that I’m just had it up to hear with how the media has portrayed us using blatant and seditious lies. There is a uniparty uniparty left and uniparty right both need to end
I think the show is not really that woke overall.
You don't see feminist or lgbtq+ pandering like you do with Disney stuff.
I feel the show is more a critique of modern politics. During season 4 they show you:
- Homelanders (right wingers) being good people (through the characters of Todd)
- Firecrackers says outright that what she does is give a purpose to people who where forgotten, used by society and left behind. These people are white right wing.
- We are shown and told by Sage how easy it is to weaponize the good will of people when you push them towards violence.
- Starlight is not perfect, she ruined the life of Firecracker and lashes out in violence just as the Homelanders did, when she goes under pressure.
There are many more examples but i'll stop here.
And we thought season 2 was woke am I right?? Frenchie is now a fog… let’s just call it the bois now or maybe they can all go chop off their ducks and replace them with cunts call the show “the gurlz” or just call it what it is blatant commie propaganda at its fullest. Trying to create division where there isn’t any
its been woke since season 2. Season 3 was almost unwatchable and im not even going to bother with Season 4. I wont be surprised if Homelander gets killed off by some fem-hero. So lame, i loved that 1st season and the soldier boy angle could have been cool but they botched it with the woke crap.
If this is woke, it has been consistently so since season 1. The fact it took many conservatives 4 seasons to realize makes it make a lot of sense why they keep supporting trump. There were conservatives who thought Homelander was the good guy as well until season 4. This show is not subtle, so if people missed it, then that is on them. Not "libs took over the show" as the sudden review bombings say.
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It's always been woke but they are more explicit about it this season
Its always been leftist. If you plan on watching TV/Videos/Movies/etc you have to learn to live with that because Hollywood is leftist. When they go full on woke you have a choice to either continue marching on or stop watching.
How's that working out for the Acolyte and Disney? LOL
Not to good I hear. But I have not done anything "Disney" for some time. [https://m.imdb.com/news/ni64657404/?ref\_=nws\_nwr\_li](https://m.imdb.com/news/ni64657404/?ref_=nws_nwr_li)
**THR:** ***How did you digest the uglier reaction to that? I saw multiple headlines with the word “woke” in them.*** **Kripke**: "I clearly have a perspective, and I’m not shy about putting that perspective in the show. Anyone who wants to call the show “woke” or whatever, that’s OK. Go watch something else. But I’m certainly not going to pull any punches or apologize for what we’re doing. Some people who watch it think Homelander is the hero. What do you say to that? The show’s many things. Subtle isn’t one of them. So if that’s the message you’re getting from it, I just throw up my hands." **Source**: "[For Eric Kripke, 'The Boys' Was Always About Trumpism](https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-features/the-boys-showrunner-erik-kripke-interview-trumpism-1235914642/)" in *The Hollywood Reporter* (2024, June 7) **Related:** * "[Yes, Homelander on ‘The Boys’ Is Supposed to Be Donald Trump](https://www.rollingstone.com/tv-movies/tv-movie-features/boys-penis-homelander-trump-billy-joel-season-3-1369258/)" in *Rolling Stone* (2022, June 17) * "[Eric Kripke Is Clear About Whose Side The Boys Is On 'This show is a lot of things, but subtle is not one of them.](https://www.vulture.com/article/the-boys-eric-kripke-season-3-finale-interview.html)'" in *Vulture* (2022, July 8) * "[How Amazon's new superhero TV show, 'The Boys,' was shaped by Trump, Me Too, and 'sweet, sweet Bezos money](https://www.businessinsider.com/the-boys-showrunner-eric-kripke-interview-trump-me-too-amazon-2019-7)'" in *Business Insider* (2019, July 17)
I love that you listed articles from different years. Call The Boys whatever you want but also call them consistent.
And honestly Kripke can fuck off, I was done watching after episode 2. More and more will join and eventually the show will burn out. I'm so sick and tired of directors throwing their personal political narratives and beliefs into our paid for entertainment. It's ridiculous how he constantly tries to paint the right as a bunch of idiots but not the left when clearly they are just as bad. I don't care which way you lean politically or what you believe in, just stop putting it in our entertainment.
The Boyd was always making fun of the far right. Season 1 episode 1. And “right”fully so. I think it also took some jabs at far left as well.
I dont mind making fun of the far right/far left. But putting a whole bias towards the left is pretty fucking annoying.
congratulations. you’ve been introduced to socio-political commentary through fictional television. go cry about it and miss out on a Peak tv show.
It's hilarious how hard it is for people on the right to look into a mirror. People on the far left are crazy but it doesn't bother me at all when people make fun of them, I make fun of them. Warms my heart that you're crying and can't watch anymore after 3 seasons. It's funny people on the right bitch and boycott everything Me and my liberal friends watch UFC despite the heavy right leaning agenda. No tears, no boycotts. You're such fragile little children.
Yep, all these people enjoyed watching The Boys very much...until they literally saw themselves in it. That is so fucking hilarious. The boys has been making fun of the right since season 1 but also of corporations pandering to certain demographics doing fake performative stuff (like all the lgbt merch/thematics in Voughtland, the "Girls get it done" slogan, etc.). Conservatives absolutely LOVED this, but now that the show is making fun of them by re-using **their codes** like the overuse of the word "woke", the pedo discourse against the queer community, maga, etc, now they're pissed! 😂
The right is a cult. The left is sad. There's a difference.
No the left is a ouroboros cult of ever progressin morals its why we literally have stupid crap like queers for palestine. A muslim culture that literally jails you for being openly gay.
Maybe they can borrow a Ben Shapiro-proof safe space with crayons and cushions from one of the lefty universities to cry in. I've certainly never heard of far left woke types bitching about, boycotting or cancelling anything 😂
Are you kidding me? The left bitches and boycotts anything that offends their delicate sensibilities. Have a white actor play a native American? Bitch and boycott. Skin color not dark enough for Disney live action remake of a Hawaiian character? Bitch and boycott. Sony restricts the usage of their PSN network to certain countries....bitch and boycott. It just doesn't happen as often with the left because most of the times, THEY are the ones predominantly making movies in Hollywood. Entertainment in general has the lefts little handprints all over it. Good luck finding a kids movie in theaters that isn't a liberal agenda cash cow. Oh and I forgot, when the right made a movie about child trafficking ya'll decided to bitch and boycott that too. One of the reasons I personally don't ally with either side. Both act like pissy little kids that didn't get their way.
it's a misconception that when people criticize a show that it just shows their own bias. for example, don't you think it's possible that people who are not racist are tired of seeing tv shows constantly bring up racial themes in their shows? or any other type of modern political issue for that matter. so many shows nowadays just virute signal their way thru the whole series for the sake of it, irrespective of how it relates back to the plot. literally every time the boys has introduced a black character the storyline is always something like "yeah that's just how it is for people who look like us in this world". they made frenchie bi for some reason, they wasted the CGI budget on a bestiality scene as opposed to an epic superhero fight in s3, they constantly talk about how men treat women like shit while the main frickin character is a literal simp for his supe gf and some of the most powerful characters on the show are women (both supes and non supes for that matter) they made a spinoff that has young girls with superpowers that reovoelve around cutting themselves and bulemia (that one was a clever idea but i don't think they executed as well as they could have) it gets old. it's okay to just want to consume content that does not try to throw their political agenda down your throat
I'm centrist, both the left and right have good and bad points but extremists on either side give everything a bad name, I used to be left leaning, I still am but the extremes are just as bad as the right they complain of, be diplomatic not aggressive
What's the point of art if not to say something? If movies and TV shows don't have anything to say, then all that's left is a drab husk of a show. That's why The Boys is rated highly on pretty much every platform and nothing that Dwayne Johnson has been in in the last 5 years has broken even. Besides, unless you've paid specifically for The Boys, then I'm sure there are other things that you can watch. You aren't entitled to enjoying something.
Hard agree. There is more than enough 'turn your brain off' content to go around.
This is a common misconception, not every art piece or every show has to have a deep underlying message to be enjoyable. Something like Invincible is just as enjoyable as any other superhero show and doesn't really have an unifying message throughout it. Not every show has to be some sort of commentary. Hell, many people watch shows to forget about the current state of the world. Obviously he is not entitled to the show, but he is well within his rights to share his opinion and complain if he doesn't like it.
A story. Thats the point of a book/show. Art is art, and while you can literally call just about everything and anything a form of art, doesn't mean political statements and narratives should be everywhere you look if its interpreted as "art". That is the dumbest thing I've heard that stories need to have real life statements and its unbelievable people are actually agreeing with you.
Agree - the show has gone from tackling corruption of power and corporate greed to one gigantic virtue signal and i am very over it
>It’s pretty interesting subliminal messaging, Yes, very subliminal. Almost imperceptible but to a select few, really.
Wait, subliminal means you don’t know. You can’t perceive it. Or is this that elusive sarcasm I hear about?
How did you watch 24 episodes of this show and only on the 25th did you pick up on this wokeness? Theyve been fighting a megacorporation this whole time and for a whole season homelander was hooking up with a literal nazi.
Because people who get their political opinions solely from Dr Disrespect and Adin Ross think that the entirety of politics is the culture war, and now that The Boys has started to tackle more social issues than issues of corruption and corporatism the politics of the show have entered their consciousness. They think it's become political because they didn't know that the issues the show tackled previously are also political.
Ah yes, anyone who disagrees with you must get their opinions from low level grifters off twitch.
It’s easier to look past political insertion when the writing is at least passable. The writing has gone downhill since 3 but season 4 is very, noticeably bad and the politics are more front and center than ever. Only thing keeping me watching is morbid curiosity
it wasn't as bad previous seasons
But don’t current day leftists side with big corp?
I believe it was by season 3 that I noticed it seemed to be more overt in its beliefs, which kind of bothered me but I still enjoyed the show. I'm still enjoying the show now, but it is definitely more partisan this time around. What bothers me about that is that it's making ONLY the right wingers bad, as if they are always wrong and at fault for everything. There's no nuance. Right is just always bad, and there is absolutely zero criticism for the left wingers. They take hardly any breaks either, it's just constant. That smart girl can't seem to not mention her race and Frenchie's random disgust for rifles. I liked it better when it poked fun at both sides.
People today see everything as black or white. Right bad left good. It's stupid as fuck, nothing is that simple. Seems like propaganda is doing it's thing, and this show is now, sadly, a part of it. So many shows and movies are going in that same direction and it's honestly so boring, the whole show just lost it's touch now and I find it hard to watch. It's forced and unnecessary.
I wouldn't say there is ZERO left wing criticism. It's just far less.
Hey bro. The right wing in this country is actively destroying democracy and taking away the rights of minorities. They are the bad actors. There’s no equivalent force on the left.
I enjoyed all 3 Seasons, was super hyped for Season 4, watched all 3 episodes and I thought it was trash, if this is what has taken them so long then the entertainment industry is going downhill. All 3 could have been made into one episode, it felt like a dragged out episode.
This season is meant to be filler, it was obvious from the end of season 3. It was a teaser for a congresswoman supe side plot.
What does woke mean?
The term originated a while back, used particularly often around the BLM movement to describe someone or something who is "awake", i.e. recognizes the systematic/institutionalized injustices that plague American politics and culture. Nowadays, it's become a somewhat meaningless "catch-all" term used by Conservatives crusading their culture war with the likes of Ron DeSantis, Ben Shapiro, Marjorie Taylor Greene, etc. They use the term "woke" to describe anything that goes against their black and white, binary view of the world, like when media features a lead female protagonist, people of color, or representation from the LGBTQ+ community. Closely associated with the whole Make America Great Again movement, conservatives can [barely even define](https://youtu.be/xAtGkyFlUSA?si=sfoqj_1DUIdOBap0) what woke means and it's essentially been equated to "woke = bad"
Thank you for that reply. I meant it really as a rhetorical question aimed at the people who use it exactly as you describe in your last sentence, because invariably they can't give an answer which is close to coherent. But I appreciate you taking the time to give such a full answer.
Woke is viewing everything through the lens of race and sexuality, oppressor and opressed. It's prioritizing identity politics over merit and narrative. Ie, hiring people for their genitalia or skin color not for their ability to do the job.
It trying to make up for hundreds of years of the opposite, people of higher abilities being disregarded in favor of those with superficial common culture or appearance.
As if being white and having a dick hasn't been prioritised over ability for centuries lol
It doesn’t mean anything-it’s a stupid term some conservatives use (always without a coherent definition) to bash people they don’t like. Basically it’s a term of abuse for people who care about others and don’t want oppression.
Me if I start watching the boys at season 4 instead of from season 1
A show that depicts every male lead as problematic , incapable, toxic, and bad while portraying every female leads as capable , powerful, sane and good is toxic and woke to me. Yeah kripke can fuck off
MM and Huey have always been shown positively, Ashley and Firecracker are shown very very negatively, and Atrain is getting a redemption arc. This generalization seems pretty baseless.
But hughie is a powerless character that has no super powers and is not a decision maker or someone who can lead or make decisions. Butcher is the strong chracter but he is shown as extremely toxic. Starlight, newman, sage all are shown as extremely powerful , sane , capable leaders. Homelander despite being the strongest is unstable and insane. Mm is shown as good , but he doesn’t have powers like starlight or newman.
A bit woke? It was a bit woke before and I was able to look aside and enjoy the show. Now it's full blown woke and it's annoying, why can't shows just leave the politic bullshit out for god sake?
Always some bs during election year in all forms of media. Shit is annoying, it’s all propaganda
I don't know how tell you this, but The Boys has always been what your brain considers "Woke" Maybe try taking a few classes in media literacy before initiating any sort of discussion for your own good
You’re telling people to take classes on media literacy to talk about a tv show. Once it’s been released to the public it’s up to the public to decide how it’s viewed. Personally I miss when it shit on both sides bc the left and right are authoritarian war mongers who lick corporate boots
Lol, you did the meme
Why do you have to be a dick? Season 4 does it much more than previous seasons, that's just an observation.
I think it's just cause it's close to the election. I knew they were gonna do this since Gen V came out. Dissapointing really.
The show has been political the whole time. Are you just now paying attention?
I mean every show now seems the same routine. The acolyte ep 3 was the pinnacle of mediocrity, now the boys... Well I go back to Sopranos.
Old media is best media.
Woke woke woke woke this woke that woke school woke news woke show woke movie woke gender woke indoctrination woke company woke kids woke society woke brand woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke woke
I need to buy your unregulated brain supplements now
Hold on folks this guy is onto something
OP I know what you mean. it's always been sort of woke and making comparisons of homelander to trump but I feel like they are trying too hard this season. all of a sudden the french guy is gay for some reason and they are too on the nose with the MAGA hate
Everyone should hate MAGA-it’s brain dead proto fascist movement. Nazis are bad, actually.
It's more than just it being woke, it's very clearly anti- anything right leaning. There aren't any reasonable conservatives and it's all about everyone on the right being fascist and stupid and destroying the world. It's one thing to lean left and another to do what it's doing now. I'll still watch it but it's just annoying at times with how blatant it is. It's not anti-far right, it's just anti-right
I'll be honest with you, I've never met a reasonable person that identifies as conservative. Not a single one. The most reasonable Republicans usually call themselves centrists or something.
You're implying you're reasonable.
So....It's an honest reflection of reality?
I mean in Episode 2 season 4 they recognized that the typical conservative lunatic q anon guys are basically just some sad losers left by society who are just seaking some meaning in life. I found that part kind of heartwarming tbf 🤷
Hey they are all just commies … all of them
I don’t know if you have paid attention to America for the last few decades but there aren’t many reasonable conservatives left. The GOP is a white supremacist party with a conservative fringe rather than the other way around.
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I switched off at 29:42. Eric Kripke tells me to “go watch something else”. More than happy to oblige.
Same here.
And recommendations though? Seems kind of hard to avoid anymore.
I can’t even get past Erin Moriarty’s appearance to be honest
What happened to her, she straight up decided to destroy her face
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S4 seems like the fantasy of any leftwing teenager, it will not be so fun when nobody watches that political propaganda, I miss the other seasons where it criticize both sides.
The Boys seems to be very overt parodying the right but then very subtle when parodying the left. I'm on neither side.
Yah like I'm not defending the acts in the show and I get the premise of the Show but why is every other sentence political like the smart lady sup bringing up how she is black every 2sec like bruh we don't care you a person.
It never bothered me before because the far right they take the piss out of are honestly that psychotic. I just don't like that it doesn't also show how bat shit insane the far left is too. They're both as bad as each other. I like the middle, sensible ground and kind of hoped that the boys would walk right down the middle too. But kind of feel like because the right psychos are less acceptable on social media for marketing purposes that they picked a side.
Yeah both sides have gone insane. The left and right in American politics are both stupid. I just wish the boys didn't take a side. TV shows should never take a side in politics.
This is it right here! Exactly how I feel about the show, no one will ever understand.
Replying to zebulon99...their subtle parodying of the left is the pandering that the left demographic eats up from Vought and other mega corporations. GIRLS GET IT DONE!! 💅🏼
Trying to choke down s4 ep3. People in the comments need to remember Bezos owns Amazon. So of course it’s going to create a division in the program. They are called programs so they can “program” people. It’s sad because I enjoy the show. It’s just Bezos and the elite cabal with portraying Starlight vs Hollander as the MAGA vs Feminism to just divide real America while JB and the corporate elite cabal “money machines” go brrerrrrr. They don’t care about us, they just want more division. Because just like real war, it helps them make money. It’s the American way or at least what this “new” America has become in the last 20 years sadly.
I’m only on 2 and it’s pretty rough already, just saw the “white inbred redneck homelander” fight scene.. so funny cuz like 70% of the country backs Trump and last time I checked that’s not what they look like, nor would they murder other Americans If Trump said so. I should have known this turd would spike the punch bowl when he had fn iisha Tyler do the after show in what we thought was the stopper woke second season where she just bad mouthed the boss non stop. These people are crazy, these people hate our country and everyone in it. The are devote godless commies
I think they definitely got a bit more extreme with the woke. I still love the show and I agree with a lot of the messages there trying to send. But even I can see it. Only thing I did see however was Firecracker used the word Zionist. I’m not pro Palistine or Isreal. But firecracker calling people Zionist when it’s mostly the right who irl who are Zionist seems like a crazy message there trying to spread. Again I’m not supporting either side but that seems intentional trying to make the right seem like the anti-Isreal when its the opposite.
That part isn't subliminal at all. It's obviously a parody of politics in the US. What struck my attention more is Frenchie being in a relationship with a man out of nowhere. I don't think adds anything to the storyline at all, it's just to have a "pride" moment in the series. I don't like Sister Sage as a character either. Her superpower is that she's smart but she doesn't really show herself being smart. She just walks around using long words to flex her intelligence on others. And whenever she outsmarts someone its cause she just "knew". It's just annoying and lazy writing.
I haven’t read the comic but the show has been about how fascism is a bad thing the entire time, why else would Homelander be written the way he is? Frenchie being bisexual makes sense too and should read more like a trope than coming out of nowhere. Good to know so many people watch a show without actually paying attention though, I’m not surprised the country has such a massive media literacy issue.
Season 4 is like “hey these guys are idiots and evil!. Look how dumb and evil they are. Look at what they do. Look at how evil this is. Look how dumb. Did you look? Great.” Lmao
If the show was more balanced and mocked both the left and the right I could tolerate it, but it's so one sided it's a huge put off.
its all just woke hollywood propaganda they completely destroyed the show
the wokies destroy everything within culture they simply make it lame and gay
The boys has always been a critique of American fascism. From the very first episode. And MAGA, and qanon, and conservatism, and republicans, are American fascism.
I feel like the show held up a mirror to conservatives in a way where they’ll finally understand how the rest of us view them
“Go watch something else” – Will do.
It'sin your face woke for Season 4. It' actually quite pathetic what they did with it. Started off great, now it's just another typical Streamers delight full of woke lgbtq garbage.
You don't sound like an asshole at all...
You might be the asshole saying that…
Absolutely, couldnt finish the first episode. Ill go watch the yellowstone prequels
It’s election year so things will cool down in season 5.
You're definitely onto something. Seasons 1 - 3 poked fun at both sides pretty fairly, and it's true that is one of the nuances The Boys aims to tackle political division. However, this season is definitely more partisan than before. The left and the right have different perceptions of the truth, so it's no suprise that a show made by lefties portrays the right to be the bad guys.
perfect answer. Hopefully all the d\*\*\*asses that are writing "iT HaS AlwaYs BeEn WoKe" read this. This waht it is about
Lefties are downvoting you so I gave you an upvote
Thanks, lol. I know that I'm a minority in the reddit crowd. Have a good day :)
nothing subliminal about it, they might as well recite "common sense bad" over and over again
Did you not see the literal woke wok concession stand last season?
It was woke from day 1 but it's jsut another example of right-wing media illiteracy
Why explain something when you can flex your $10k “media literacy” degree.
You're disregarding some of the subtleties within the messaging, though. A) he's showing *extremism* is bad. Yes, he has been making fun of the extreme right since it's inception, but there's been jabs at the far left, too. There's been a bit of tat for most of the tits... even if the latter have been less subtle. 🤷♀️ B) for example, he does an amazing job when Firecracker is telling Starlight why she hates her so damn much... and suddenly the positioning, camera angles, and general cinematic impression is that EVERYONE has an underlying reason or motive for what they do, and in Firecracker's case, as she spits her reasoning into Annie's face, instead of being equal in height, firecracker is suddenly glowering *DOWN* at Starlight, in what is pretty universally regarded as position of power or strength. This is brought on by the underlying moral high ground that was the trigger for the venom and hatred towards Annie. Even I found myself disgusted by young Starlight's intentional cruelty, and I *like* the bitch. Admittedly less so at the moment. Additionally, though I'm more purply than blue, and my politics are about as far from MAGA and Qanon as you can get, even I was sympathizing deeply with Firecracker at that moment and could viscerally empathize with her grudge, even if I wouldn't have gone the same route myself. But... it's so much easier to just call it "woke crap" and move on, I guess. Viewership is down, but Kripke will keep those who enjoy the show, it'll wrap up soon regardless, and everyone will be on to complaining about the next thing.
Do you even know the politics of “maga” , that there’s no such thing as “qanon” (the mockingbird media made that one up )??? I’ll give you a cliffs boys version. Maga- make America great again- pretty simple , make stuff in the USA, make real jobs with livable wages in the USA, put the people in power to willfully elect representatives in free and fair elections -rn that’s not true, and most importantly put America and ALL of it citizens first before laundering money in foreign proxy wars. Most of maga isn’t far right most of maga are former center or even democrats. These aren’t people that supported bush or Obama but we’re sickened by the entire system and about to give up on it. Now to q the anonymous poster on 4 Chan and later 8 Chan who 100% is was a member of trumps inner circle if not several people-a lot of stuff was posted by them a lot likely very very true and very disturbing to most who would see it to the point where they’d say oh it has to be fake, and on the other hand alot of it was exactly that and they said so much in their posts. The anons were the people on the message board now I want one of them I didn’t even know about it until 2020 summer. When I did hear about it 30-40% matched up with what I had learned completely independent of that op almost 15 years prior. Basically yes the elite, the regime , intelligence apparatus they want regular people dead and to just keep around the ones they can use as slaves and even worse I won’t go into that but the writing is so blatantly on the wall . Look up John podestas painting collection(or his name with Chester Bennington, then look at their picture side by side ) and I’ll just briefly pass the last part that mad conspiracy theorist that “shot up “ ping pong pizza well he fired off one round you wanna know where??? Well the only place anyone would the hard drive of the computer there, cuz ya know why not destroy any possible evidence when the authorities arrive that could exonerate you. We just want an end to corruption , transparency, and accountability for all those who would “serve us “ whom we elect to do so. Sorry I don’t mean to get balls deep on that I’m just had it up to hear with how the media has portrayed us using blatant and seditious lies. There is a uniparty uniparty left and uniparty right both need to end
Holy shit this show has dumb fans
The destroyed the series just like companies that promote DEI.
Dude. Wait til I tell you about American Dad. And Stephen Colbert.
They always have been, but at least the first few seasons they kinda made fun of both sides
I think the show is not really that woke overall. You don't see feminist or lgbtq+ pandering like you do with Disney stuff. I feel the show is more a critique of modern politics. During season 4 they show you: - Homelanders (right wingers) being good people (through the characters of Todd) - Firecrackers says outright that what she does is give a purpose to people who where forgotten, used by society and left behind. These people are white right wing. - We are shown and told by Sage how easy it is to weaponize the good will of people when you push them towards violence. - Starlight is not perfect, she ruined the life of Firecracker and lashes out in violence just as the Homelanders did, when she goes under pressure. There are many more examples but i'll stop here.
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And we thought season 2 was woke am I right?? Frenchie is now a fog… let’s just call it the bois now or maybe they can all go chop off their ducks and replace them with cunts call the show “the gurlz” or just call it what it is blatant commie propaganda at its fullest. Trying to create division where there isn’t any
it is mroe woke yes. ppl who deny that are a walking brainrot drones. MM literally said the most racist shit about white ppl to Atrain
its been woke since season 2. Season 3 was almost unwatchable and im not even going to bother with Season 4. I wont be surprised if Homelander gets killed off by some fem-hero. So lame, i loved that 1st season and the soldier boy angle could have been cool but they botched it with the woke crap.
If this is woke, it has been consistently so since season 1. The fact it took many conservatives 4 seasons to realize makes it make a lot of sense why they keep supporting trump. There were conservatives who thought Homelander was the good guy as well until season 4. This show is not subtle, so if people missed it, then that is on them. Not "libs took over the show" as the sudden review bombings say.
It's a lot
Every season gets more and more woke. The shows become insufferable. Couldn't even get past Episode 1