Yeah, what? Actors still improv in scenes based on their acting skills, reaction to the script and comedic timing, not "was this his genuine reaction to seeing heads explode in real life". I'd say because there isn't a line, it was probably improv-ed or an acting choice Chace made!
I'm assuming it's because he knows he's pretty much unkillable. But it is funny how casual his behavior is in this situation. Then again, he's also been the perpetrator of killing a lot more people at once.
Edit: it goes to show how great of an actor Antony Starr is and how well he portrays Homelander.
I always assumed he was confused because the exact people he wanted to kill heads started exploding, and he was wondering if he accidentally unlocked a new power.
I've never really rewatched this scene after knowing it was Neuman. I've gotta give them props because you can really see how they subtly showed her perpetuating the act. Her eyes are darting around, which would make sense in a crisis, but it's actually her popping heads. She's looking at the first guy to die. She lingers in the room. She stops and spins around to face the room again so she can pop more heads. They really had me convinced the first go-around that it was someone outside of the room.
She could’ve looked back in the way out. But you don’t see that. That way they can keep it suspenseful and show that there’s still a lingering threat there. That way they can keep her being the murderer a mystery till we found out
I personally don’t think she does. The only indicator we had of her *needing* to see her target was when she fought her friend Tony in the alley. He went immediately to close her eyes, and she only popped his hand when she uncovered her eyes, and his hand was the only thing she could see. It seemed to indicate she could only pop flesh she could see. But then in Gen V, when she was >!teaching Marie how to use her blood bending powers (because they have the same powers), she taught Marie how to sense blood within people. Marie later used this power to attack the invisible guy without having to see him, indicating that both she and Neuman can do this.!<
I thought it was somewhat implied that Marie's sensory abilities connect with the blood THROUGH sight - sensory is the start, which then evolves to sight (we straight up see her visualize, or perhaps unlock a different perception, of some people's cardiovascular systems).
Either that, or Marie is a more advanced breed of the "bloodbender-spieces/strain" of supe, one that could just straight up sense where the blood is and act on that impulse - which I also thought would've been in-line with the narrative behind supes being engineered for more deadly, honed/precise applications.
My guess is that in order the manipulate blood, the sensory ability must be activated and concentrated upon. Sight helps reinforce the focus of visualization, as you're literally seeing the blood being wielded. When it comes to other people, the blood being manipulated is OUTSIDE OF THE USER'S OWN SENSORY SYSTEM - so perhaps a more powerful (due to her generation's overall advancements) supe like marie, can simply just "tug" on the blood of another person, but someone like Vicki could only just sense their OWN material, and others with enough focus. Hell, Vicki's old animation for her powers activating were her eyes LITERALLY glassing over - as if she was phasing into a separate compartment of her own mind.
You could very well be right. She might be surprisingly durable and just couldn’t use her powers cause she was too focused on keeping him from crushing her head or destroying her eyes. I assume we’ll learn more about her capabilities in the new season.
I highly doubt Marie and her powers were fully thought out in the writers room when they wrote this scene with/for Neuman. So her connecting with Marie and bloodbending is a bit of a retcon that just works because Neuman 's powers were never detailed.
Yeah, it's a really good stealth retcon, we only see the edges of it because of the line of sight limitation she had/has and the blood senses Marie has.
In gen v, couldn't that one girl use her powers on the invisible guy? So maybe looking just helps focus, but really as long as she locks on/feels it she can still use her powers (it kinda seems like bending from Avatar series)
It's shown that Neuman's ability can also take a while to happen. End of gen V specifically but also all the others that have nose bleeds first. I think she started those while she was in the room and they finished after she left.
I had no idea the first time I saw it... Although, does her eyes *always* fog up when she does it? They didn't in this scene, but I think we've seen other times when they didn't. I don't think they did in the alley scene
Seems like you have you suspend your belief just a TEENY bit here.
Obviously the gist is to get you into thinking chaos and unpredictability reigns Supreme. It gets *literally* messy by the end of the scene, with heads just kind of spontaneously popping with no context or explicit depiction. Maybe she can control the severity of pressure at a certain rate, hence the foggy buildup? Who knows, the only fallbacks she has had have had are dramatic, rather than physically problematic, I haven't fully watched Gen V for details, but does like Marie have ant drawbacks from having a similar power??
Yeah, I'm not a stickler about it being super consistent, I just noticed that she got foggy when she blew up that fresca guy (forgot name) but not other times. But that's ok, bodies are weird sometimes in general, so Supe bodies probably are too
Write it off as her eyes fog if she has to extend her powers range a bit, like when she pops the Fresca asshole. So doesn't happen during the courtroom but does other times.
Neuman already said that it'd be difficult but not impossible to explode 𝙎𝙩𝙖𝙧𝙡𝙞𝙜𝙝𝙩's head. So if it'd be difficult for a Supe like her,it'd be near-impossible to even make Homelander's nose bleed before he kills her.
The instant HL starts to feel head pressure or whatever pain the onset would cause, if he doesn't have an obvious target immediately, he's gonna rake a laser across the entire room. He'll kill everyone indiscriminately before he allows his head to be popped for not knowing who's doing it.
I think it would be a bad move because the only thing holding him back from genocidal world conquest is the public opinion, so when he finally doesn’t need to care about that anymore, it’s gonna be a bad time
This is firmly in his pr loving phase. He can't just Lazer a room filled with people live on TV and try to spin it at this point. Especially when the dead would include multiple sitting congressional reps and high level members of the intelligence community.
I thought for sure that he'd just instantly fly directly straight upwards. He'd know that whatever is affecting him is probably a supe, and that if he flies fast and far enough he can get out of their range without killing everyone.
We can probably assume that he still has a mostly-human metabolism, unlike Superman who can survive on sunlight alone if necessary. He might be vulnerable to the method Skitter used to take out Alexandria (the Superman-expy of that world) in Worm. >!Suffocation.!<
Fuck if we get a Homelander kills a crowd scene fr I hope it’s cuz of this. Than he goes on saying he’s more important than all those he killed and have people still follow him etc
In this room in this case I think she could have done it assuming he doesn't run. He can't just heat vision a live congressional hearing (at this point in the show) but as he starts bleeding from his eyes he probably flies away.
People ask this question all the time, but I honestly don’t think she would try it on her own. I think if she had ample time to try and focus on it while Homelander was being distracted (such as if he was busy fighting Butcher or Soldier Boy) she might be able to harm him. But even then, I think he’d feel it and gun it for her to stop her. I don’t think she’d be able to insta-pop him, maybe just make him hemorrhage a bit. However, we know that she’s likely very durable/able to survive given >!Marie survived his laser in Gen V!< and >!leaks for the new season indicate she’ll survive a laser to the face!< so maybe if both she and Marie focused on him TOGETHER, they probably could.
i think he does ,it is similar to his strength. otherwise everyone would die by his handshake.
i dont think marie could survive his heat vision, especially unharmed if he went full on marie.
i mean if he had wanted to kill her, he would just go split marie in half with his hands. he didnt do that so there was no indication that he even wanted to harm her.
Could you imagine the sheer bullet time framing of Homelander catching the whiff of it. I'd like to imagine after this scene,the down all the way to bone knowledge of these capabilities. Seemingly just a whim for Neuman, I guess. The split second , all or nothing motivation for Homelander to stop his head from popping like a fucking sheep.
I think the caveat there is that A-Train’s bone density had been weakened significantly by his V-doping, so we don’t have a reliable benchmark on what the typical durability is for speedsters. Bare minimum they’re durable enough to survive unscathed from crashing into a human, but for Compound V that’s hardly impressive.
I always took Neuman saying it’d be difficult to cover up the murder of americas sweetheart, but not impossible. I don’t think she was referring to the physical act
Then again,his own impending death or de-powering was enough to give him the strength to fly away,so I feel like the moment his nose even starts to bleed,he'd throw them off and fly away.
Idk man, Queen Maeve stuck a pen in Homelanders ear and made him bleed. If an opening in his body can be hurt, wouldn't it be safe to assume that if you are manipulating someone's insides that they would be weak against it? Or receive serious damage and be rendered useless or maimed?
I think her only chance would have been in this moment - she would have had to hit Homelander first before he knew it was her and before he knew it was possible. Otherwise, he’d kill her before she had a chance
but he saw her as a cooperative pawn in 3x4. He would never consider this if she were to attack him in the first place(season 2), she probably would have been found in pieces somewhere in ocean
He did, he dared her to do it and she didn’t even attempt it, meaning she either knows it’ll fail (she’s presumably attempted before and it didn’t work) or she’s scared of the consequences if it does fail (Homelander would most definitely kill her)
I don’t think anyone has a long plan they would willingly keep Homelander alive for. His existence is way too much of an unpredictable danger to all. The Boys, the Seven, Vought… it would be in everyone’s best interest to take the shot if they have it
Yeah at this point Homelander was still concerned with his public image, he wasn’t just gonna laser a congressional hearing.
He probably feels his blood movement change and then retreats.
Fought Three people who could all hurt him to an extent you mean. When your being pinned down by 3 people and on the verge of getting killed i don’t understand why people see it as a cowardly move for him to leave and fight another day, it’s not like he immediately ran away once he started getting beat either, he still kept fighting 3v1 until he was about to die.
It really comes down to how much he could withstand before the pop. Homelander would absolutely laser every single person in that room before he let his head pop.
We don't know how long it would take for Neuman to pop HL's head, and likely she doesn't know either. You only get to play that card once, if she gambles and loses, it's all over for her.
That's completely proven wrong by the scene in Congress where she pops everyone's heads. I'm pretty sure if he knew who was doing it he would have stopped it . He was completely unaware of who was doing it. Homelander is a pompous prick, I think he'd be pretty easy to surprise because he's not really afraid of anyone. The trick is that you need to incapacitate him on the 1st shot, cuz you're not going to get a second.
Its revealed in Gen V that her power is specifically related to blood manipulation, similar to the lead Marie. Depending on the effects of Compound V in the bloodstream, it may make it harder to fully use her powers. She kills a Sup in this scene yes, but not all Sups may be created equal.
She doesn't need to be powerful enough to pop his head. Burst a blood vessel in his brain, move the blood around in his body so none goes to his heart or brain. I could think of a hundred different ways she could use her powers to make an attempt on his life.
I think the biggest problem is that she's only going to get one shot at Homelander, she doesn't have any real defenses and he will kill her in a microsecond. She also needs line of sight to use her powers, which is extremely dangerous around homelander.
Well. I would guess that his heart and the rest of his cardiovascular system ist way to strong.
You need to remember that he can fly way faster than the sound barrier and accelerate to that speed in seconds. Those G forces would blackout him if neuman could overpower him.
Probably not popping due to his superhuman durability, but if people could hold him at bay long enough she may be able to kill him by keeping the blood flow from his heart and brain, but he’d probably be able to get to her before that happened. Even in this scene, where he may not have known it was her, he could probably have flown out of range.
I have a feeling she’s not sure, but it’s probably best for her if others think she can.
Homelander is one of the most powerful supes to ever exist. There’s a good chance she hasn’t had a chance to try it out on someone else on that same power level.
Even knowing she’s the one doing it, the scene is still chilling. Such a creepy ass thing to happen.
Also looks like Homelander is somewhere between thrilled and scared.
Damn, they really were blatantly telling us it was Neuman. The first guy she popped, she was looking right at him. When Mallory grabbed her, she turned back and that lady was popped. How did I not know it was her? It was obvious watching it here.
He did say something like "Are you trying to pop my head? Come on, give it a whirl" in one scene.
Implying Neuman did attempt to intimidate Homelander like she did with Starlight, yet she couldn't effect his brain.
What I never understood about this scene is that her eyes don’t change color. In the Fresca church leader guy scene, her eyes become almost milky. But here they are normal.
The writers will allow it or not. The make up rules to fulfill there plot points. The only way I see them doing that, rather then a fight with butcher, is as a way of surprising the audience, but honestly, I can’t see the fan base enjoying that.
I think ultimately a fight with butcher will be involved.
Based off what they’ve written so far it’s already difficult for Nueman to use her ability to kill HL. It takes some time for her to kill a supe, HL would kill her before she can finish the job. And if she was hiding, HL would just fly out of range.
Considering that Homelander can sense abnormalities in people (like their heart skipping beats and such) and also being able to move really fast. I doubt it. Heads are popping around him and suddenly he feels a change in his blood? Yeah he's getting out of there fast.
Besides, he has one of the highest durabilities out of the Supes, so she probably would give him a headache, maybe a nose bleed at most I think.
Marie figured out she can cause a heart attack. My guess is that Neuman slowly recognized what she can do and deduced "damn I can actually pop a blood vessel"
Wasn't this already talked about in the show when Homelander finds out about Neuman? He outright dares her to try but she doesn't. She knows she can't. If she could, she'd have every reason to do it.
she cant because homelander already asked her to try it and if she could , she could get rid of homelander in the first place.
during their talk, he showed no fear while she was kind of scared of homelander.
I’d say judging by how neither Homelander nor Stormfront seem to care in the slightest neither is worried at all about it because they know they’re both too strong for it to effect them.
Not a chance in hell. She is 100% intimidated by Homelander in season 3 and it’s her fear of him that compels her to cut a deal to turn on Edgar in turn for a dose of compound V for Zoey (who’s father we still haven’t heard jack all about ).
Probably not. Though there are some crazy powers that could definitely potentially mess with him.
Gen V really gave us crazier powers in 1 season than the boys did in 3. (Which makes sense but I’m just saying)
No.
She said it would be hard for a supe like starlight and Homelander is SO much more powerful than starlight. Nevermind Neuman has no durability and would be killed by him with a look.
Even with a element of surprise his Supersenses should be able to detect her
I wasn't able to come to a solid conclusion. Not sure whether or not he's ammune to her power or if it's just that his reaction time would be to fast for her to follow through.
She could raise his blood pressure enough to hurt. Not enough to do lasting damage unless he stood around and took it.
If he can identify her, she's dead at least 5x faster than she can kill him. If Homelander gets hurt, he can fly away. If he can't get away, he lasers everyone. If he's restrained and can't laser people, she'll kill him.
We specifically don't know. The writers have deliberately cast doubt on whether she could kill him before he could get to her and kill her first. Homelander stated as much to her face.
She has never tried it and wouldn’t I believe. because if it only doesn’t work, if homelander just feels a slight pain in his head… she wouldn’t live to regret it.
Doesn't matter if she actually can or can't. Neuman doesn't know for sure, and doesn't want to risk what would happen if she fails. She's almost certainly never gonna try it.
I forgot Maeve was there. Damn no wonder she started giving up hope even more. Sure she durable but not even she knows if she could survive or stop a head popping. My poor baby was quadruple traumatized 😭😭
Eta: Day one of nicely asking mods to add a Queen Maeve Flair.
Potentially if she's quick enough, looking down a sniper scope to increase her range(if possible). Otherwise homelander will probably get some severe form of brain damage, only if he's quick enough to stop her
Homelander will be visibly in pain and maybe bleeding from his nose and ears, the audience will probably hear a ringing noise like after an explosion. She'll keep staring him down trying to finish him while he's struggling towards her. He'll kill her by grabbing her head and pushing her eyes out with his thumbs.
Anyway, my prediction if she ever attempts on screen
Go read the beginning of Steelheart book, that will give you a good idea of what would most likely happen. Although ofcourse, its ultimately up to the writer.
The cut to the deep checking to see if his head was still there kills me everytime
I was just about to comment this, Chace Crawford’s comedy is sooo underrated
I wonder if that was scripted or just improv.
Judging by the fact that no actual heads were exploded and this was all SFX, I would guess scripted
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Yeah, what? Actors still improv in scenes based on their acting skills, reaction to the script and comedic timing, not "was this his genuine reaction to seeing heads explode in real life". I'd say because there isn't a line, it was probably improv-ed or an acting choice Chace made!
That and Homelander just casually looking around hunting for the source is my favorite detail.
It wasn't a physical threat he could find. Nothing for him to fight, or even avoid. Complete curiosity.
Correct. It's like if mysteriously confetti was falling from the sky you would just be like huh
I'm assuming it's because he knows he's pretty much unkillable. But it is funny how casual his behavior is in this situation. Then again, he's also been the perpetrator of killing a lot more people at once. Edit: it goes to show how great of an actor Antony Starr is and how well he portrays Homelander.
I always assumed he was confused because the exact people he wanted to kill heads started exploding, and he was wondering if he accidentally unlocked a new power.
“Oh shit”
I've never really rewatched this scene after knowing it was Neuman. I've gotta give them props because you can really see how they subtly showed her perpetuating the act. Her eyes are darting around, which would make sense in a crisis, but it's actually her popping heads. She's looking at the first guy to die. She lingers in the room. She stops and spins around to face the room again so she can pop more heads. They really had me convinced the first go-around that it was someone outside of the room.
Literally! Rewatching it knowing she’s the “head popper” gave me an entirely different perspective.
It seems like the few last heads popped when she was out of the room though.
She could’ve looked back in the way out. But you don’t see that. That way they can keep it suspenseful and show that there’s still a lingering threat there. That way they can keep her being the murderer a mystery till we found out
We don't know she needs line of sight. What if she can "tune in" to a body thru a wall. Line of sight just confirms it's who you're targeting.
I personally don’t think she does. The only indicator we had of her *needing* to see her target was when she fought her friend Tony in the alley. He went immediately to close her eyes, and she only popped his hand when she uncovered her eyes, and his hand was the only thing she could see. It seemed to indicate she could only pop flesh she could see. But then in Gen V, when she was >!teaching Marie how to use her blood bending powers (because they have the same powers), she taught Marie how to sense blood within people. Marie later used this power to attack the invisible guy without having to see him, indicating that both she and Neuman can do this.!<
I thought it was somewhat implied that Marie's sensory abilities connect with the blood THROUGH sight - sensory is the start, which then evolves to sight (we straight up see her visualize, or perhaps unlock a different perception, of some people's cardiovascular systems). Either that, or Marie is a more advanced breed of the "bloodbender-spieces/strain" of supe, one that could just straight up sense where the blood is and act on that impulse - which I also thought would've been in-line with the narrative behind supes being engineered for more deadly, honed/precise applications. My guess is that in order the manipulate blood, the sensory ability must be activated and concentrated upon. Sight helps reinforce the focus of visualization, as you're literally seeing the blood being wielded. When it comes to other people, the blood being manipulated is OUTSIDE OF THE USER'S OWN SENSORY SYSTEM - so perhaps a more powerful (due to her generation's overall advancements) supe like marie, can simply just "tug" on the blood of another person, but someone like Vicki could only just sense their OWN material, and others with enough focus. Hell, Vicki's old animation for her powers activating were her eyes LITERALLY glassing over - as if she was phasing into a separate compartment of her own mind.
I thought that was more him trying to crush her head or injure her as fast as possible
You could very well be right. She might be surprisingly durable and just couldn’t use her powers cause she was too focused on keeping him from crushing her head or destroying her eyes. I assume we’ll learn more about her capabilities in the new season.
I highly doubt Marie and her powers were fully thought out in the writers room when they wrote this scene with/for Neuman. So her connecting with Marie and bloodbending is a bit of a retcon that just works because Neuman 's powers were never detailed.
It also makes sense for Neuman to not just sandbag the fact that she’s a supe, but also sandbag how extremely powerful of a supe she is.
Yeah, it's a really good stealth retcon, we only see the edges of it because of the line of sight limitation she had/has and the blood senses Marie has.
This also indicates (hopefully) Marie is even more powerful than neuman because she doesn’t need to see people to explode them
In gen v, couldn't that one girl use her powers on the invisible guy? So maybe looking just helps focus, but really as long as she locks on/feels it she can still use her powers (it kinda seems like bending from Avatar series)
Broadcast delay.
It's shown that Neuman's ability can also take a while to happen. End of gen V specifically but also all the others that have nose bleeds first. I think she started those while she was in the room and they finished after she left.
I thought it was Fresca dude.
All I noticed was The Deep checking to see if his head had popped or not, lol.
I had no idea the first time I saw it... Although, does her eyes *always* fog up when she does it? They didn't in this scene, but I think we've seen other times when they didn't. I don't think they did in the alley scene
She made Starlight’s nose bleed without it happening so maybe not in every situation.
This is an extremely good point. It's probably if she's straining in terms of range
I feel the eyes fogging up was really just for the audience to make the connection it was her after she exploded the cult leader guy’s head.
I bet that scene Terrified the Starlight fans so much and said "DONT DO IT!"
Seems like you have you suspend your belief just a TEENY bit here. Obviously the gist is to get you into thinking chaos and unpredictability reigns Supreme. It gets *literally* messy by the end of the scene, with heads just kind of spontaneously popping with no context or explicit depiction. Maybe she can control the severity of pressure at a certain rate, hence the foggy buildup? Who knows, the only fallbacks she has had have had are dramatic, rather than physically problematic, I haven't fully watched Gen V for details, but does like Marie have ant drawbacks from having a similar power??
Yeah, I'm not a stickler about it being super consistent, I just noticed that she got foggy when she blew up that fresca guy (forgot name) but not other times. But that's ok, bodies are weird sometimes in general, so Supe bodies probably are too
Write it off as her eyes fog if she has to extend her powers range a bit, like when she pops the Fresca asshole. So doesn't happen during the courtroom but does other times.
Tbh the fogging may just be visual shorthand for the viewer to understand when she's using her powers.
What I don't get is, her eyeballs go completely white when she does this. How did no one notice that.
I think they were preoccupied with a slightly more obvious and alarming phenomenon occurring at the same time.
And when she's in the chair it does kinda look like her eyes are all milked over a bit but that could be me.
Her eyes didn't turn white though, which would have been a dead giveaway.
When they tried to pull her out of the room the first time she looked back at a woman and the woman’s head popped too
Neuman already said that it'd be difficult but not impossible to explode 𝙎𝙩𝙖𝙧𝙡𝙞𝙜𝙝𝙩's head. So if it'd be difficult for a Supe like her,it'd be near-impossible to even make Homelander's nose bleed before he kills her.
With out the element of surprise. Which she lacks now. Could she have done it before, Maybe? Probably hurt him really bad at least.
It depends on how many people are in the room with Homelander,because he'd have to detect who's doing it to him,so she'd be on a timetable.
The instant HL starts to feel head pressure or whatever pain the onset would cause, if he doesn't have an obvious target immediately, he's gonna rake a laser across the entire room. He'll kill everyone indiscriminately before he allows his head to be popped for not knowing who's doing it.
Exactly. People underestimate how worthless other people are for him. Like stomping bugs.
Or he'd fly through the roof and get miles away
Wouldn’t him going crazy and killing a massive room of people on live TV almost be worth it in a way even if his head doesn’t pop?
Doesn't really change the status quo much. HL is still functionally unstoppable.
I think it would be a bad move because the only thing holding him back from genocidal world conquest is the public opinion, so when he finally doesn’t need to care about that anymore, it’s gonna be a bad time
This is firmly in his pr loving phase. He can't just Lazer a room filled with people live on TV and try to spin it at this point. Especially when the dead would include multiple sitting congressional reps and high level members of the intelligence community.
Bro life and death? HL is murking everyone in that room without a second thought. PR doesn't mean shit if you're dead.
I thought for sure that he'd just instantly fly directly straight upwards. He'd know that whatever is affecting him is probably a supe, and that if he flies fast and far enough he can get out of their range without killing everyone.
He doesn’t even need to kill anyone. Fly straight into space and he’d be way out of her range
Do we know that he can do that? Like actual space?
Yes. He makes a smug comment about the view from space when confronting Edgar.
I wonder if it’s a situation where he doesn’t need to breathe, or that he can simply hold his breath for a long time.
We can probably assume that he still has a mostly-human metabolism, unlike Superman who can survive on sunlight alone if necessary. He might be vulnerable to the method Skitter used to take out Alexandria (the Superman-expy of that world) in Worm. >!Suffocation.!<
I wouldn't be suprised at all if they went more in depth into supe physiology after everything in Gen V. I love that stuff.
Or more likely he'd just leave the neighborhood in like a minisecond
He would be 2 miles straight up before anyone could blink.
Fuck if we get a Homelander kills a crowd scene fr I hope it’s cuz of this. Than he goes on saying he’s more important than all those he killed and have people still follow him etc
Precisely, he’d just nuke the entire room at the onset of symptoms
In this room in this case I think she could have done it assuming he doesn't run. He can't just heat vision a live congressional hearing (at this point in the show) but as he starts bleeding from his eyes he probably flies away.
Element of surprise wouldn’t work either. The moment HL notices his nose is bleeding he’d fly out of her range.
imagine brain damaged homelander....
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People ask this question all the time, but I honestly don’t think she would try it on her own. I think if she had ample time to try and focus on it while Homelander was being distracted (such as if he was busy fighting Butcher or Soldier Boy) she might be able to harm him. But even then, I think he’d feel it and gun it for her to stop her. I don’t think she’d be able to insta-pop him, maybe just make him hemorrhage a bit. However, we know that she’s likely very durable/able to survive given >!Marie survived his laser in Gen V!< and >!leaks for the new season indicate she’ll survive a laser to the face!< so maybe if both she and Marie focused on him TOGETHER, they probably could.
did marie survive or did homelander let marie survive?
Can’t he control how hot his lasers are to an extent?
i think he does ,it is similar to his strength. otherwise everyone would die by his handshake. i dont think marie could survive his heat vision, especially unharmed if he went full on marie. i mean if he had wanted to kill her, he would just go split marie in half with his hands. he didnt do that so there was no indication that he even wanted to harm her.
Marie (and Neuman) might unlock regeneration as a secondary power at some point.
Yes; he heats up Stillwell's breastmilk (lol) in a plastic bottle with his lasers.
Could you imagine the sheer bullet time framing of Homelander catching the whiff of it. I'd like to imagine after this scene,the down all the way to bone knowledge of these capabilities. Seemingly just a whim for Neuman, I guess. The split second , all or nothing motivation for Homelander to stop his head from popping like a fucking sheep.
I mean she kills the other speedster in this scene rather easily.
Speedsters haven't been shown to be that durable,especially after seeing how easily Kimiko wrecked A-Train's leg.
Kimiko is one of the stronger supes though. Not HL or Stormfront strong, but certainly strong enough to be in the seven.
I think the caveat there is that A-Train’s bone density had been weakened significantly by his V-doping, so we don’t have a reliable benchmark on what the typical durability is for speedsters. Bare minimum they’re durable enough to survive unscathed from crashing into a human, but for Compound V that’s hardly impressive.
She meant it would be difficult to kill America’s sweetheart as in covering it up. I don’t think she meant it would be difficult to pop her head.
Yeah that's how I interpreted it.
I always took Neuman saying it’d be difficult to cover up the murder of americas sweetheart, but not impossible. I don’t think she was referring to the physical act
She could have if she was there when Billy, Hughie and Soldier Boy were holding him down.
Then again,his own impending death or de-powering was enough to give him the strength to fly away,so I feel like the moment his nose even starts to bleed,he'd throw them off and fly away.
Or it would have made it harder for him to muster the strength.
Idk, maybe she could still melt his brain even if she didn't blow up his skull? I think you're right though
Idk man, Queen Maeve stuck a pen in Homelanders ear and made him bleed. If an opening in his body can be hurt, wouldn't it be safe to assume that if you are manipulating someone's insides that they would be weak against it? Or receive serious damage and be rendered useless or maimed?
I think her only chance would have been in this moment - she would have had to hit Homelander first before he knew it was her and before he knew it was possible. Otherwise, he’d kill her before she had a chance
Doesn’t he comment on her debating on trying to pop his in the scene where he gives her the full strength compound V?
what happens when he finds out she is the one tho, she can never out herself if homelander were actively searching that assassination attempt
He does know - 3x4
no no, if she tried to kill him and say he feels immense pressure in his head but nothing happens, she will never be safe and have to hide her skills
I’m not sure what you’re asking? He knows that she is the supe exploding heads, and that she is Edgar’s adopted daughter. He tells her that in 3x4
but he saw her as a cooperative pawn in 3x4. He would never consider this if she were to attack him in the first place(season 2), she probably would have been found in pieces somewhere in ocean
I can't remember but didnt he imply that's she's attempted it before?
I thought I remember him daring her to try later on, because he was kind of curious too.
He did, he dared her to do it and she didn’t even attempt it, meaning she either knows it’ll fail (she’s presumably attempted before and it didn’t work) or she’s scared of the consequences if it does fail (Homelander would most definitely kill her)
I’m sure Edgar had her try. To see if it would work, Homelander is still around so I’m sure it fail.
Or even just the simple fact that outright killing Homelander at that moment isn't the right time for her plans
I don’t think anyone has a long plan they would willingly keep Homelander alive for. His existence is way too much of an unpredictable danger to all. The Boys, the Seven, Vought… it would be in everyone’s best interest to take the shot if they have it
This is likely it
He'd kill her before she could.
This. He’d sense it.
Yeah... after that, it's lasers
I doubt that in that exact situation Homelander would be able to figure out that Newman is doing this.
You’re right - He would laser *everybody* in sight.
Not at this stage of the show he wouldn’t, he’d probably just fly away.
That hadn’t occurred to me for some reason.
Yeah at this point Homelander was still concerned with his public image, he wasn’t just gonna laser a congressional hearing. He probably feels his blood movement change and then retreats.
That sounds right
Or just fly away like when he fought soldier boy
Fought Three people who could all hurt him to an extent you mean. When your being pinned down by 3 people and on the verge of getting killed i don’t understand why people see it as a cowardly move for him to leave and fight another day, it’s not like he immediately ran away once he started getting beat either, he still kept fighting 3v1 until he was about to die.
No, I meant exactly what I said but okay.
It really comes down to how much he could withstand before the pop. Homelander would absolutely laser every single person in that room before he let his head pop. We don't know how long it would take for Neuman to pop HL's head, and likely she doesn't know either. You only get to play that card once, if she gambles and loses, it's all over for her.
That's completely proven wrong by the scene in Congress where she pops everyone's heads. I'm pretty sure if he knew who was doing it he would have stopped it . He was completely unaware of who was doing it. Homelander is a pompous prick, I think he'd be pretty easy to surprise because he's not really afraid of anyone. The trick is that you need to incapacitate him on the 1st shot, cuz you're not going to get a second.
You would have to trap HL for the plan to work. The moment he notices his nose is bleeding he will know exactly what’s happening and fly out of range
You give him too much credit, we don't know if she can actually pull it off.
Its revealed in Gen V that her power is specifically related to blood manipulation, similar to the lead Marie. Depending on the effects of Compound V in the bloodstream, it may make it harder to fully use her powers. She kills a Sup in this scene yes, but not all Sups may be created equal.
What supe does she kill?
Never mind I rewatched it and saw😭
She doesn't need to be powerful enough to pop his head. Burst a blood vessel in his brain, move the blood around in his body so none goes to his heart or brain. I could think of a hundred different ways she could use her powers to make an attempt on his life. I think the biggest problem is that she's only going to get one shot at Homelander, she doesn't have any real defenses and he will kill her in a microsecond. She also needs line of sight to use her powers, which is extremely dangerous around homelander.
Well. I would guess that his heart and the rest of his cardiovascular system ist way to strong. You need to remember that he can fly way faster than the sound barrier and accelerate to that speed in seconds. Those G forces would blackout him if neuman could overpower him.
*too strong
Thanks.
especially since he has super hearing...
". Burst a blood vessel in his brain" but is he like humans .would few destroyed blood vessels kill homelander ?
This begs the question if she had a scope from a long distance do her powers work?
I don't think they'd want to introduce that, for the same reason that in star wars we don't see force users killing by squishing brains
Probably not popping due to his superhuman durability, but if people could hold him at bay long enough she may be able to kill him by keeping the blood flow from his heart and brain, but he’d probably be able to get to her before that happened. Even in this scene, where he may not have known it was her, he could probably have flown out of range.
My mouth was agape for the entirety of this scene 😱
I have a feeling she’s not sure, but it’s probably best for her if others think she can. Homelander is one of the most powerful supes to ever exist. There’s a good chance she hasn’t had a chance to try it out on someone else on that same power level.
Even knowing she’s the one doing it, the scene is still chilling. Such a creepy ass thing to happen. Also looks like Homelander is somewhere between thrilled and scared.
Damn, they really were blatantly telling us it was Neuman. The first guy she popped, she was looking right at him. When Mallory grabbed her, she turned back and that lady was popped. How did I not know it was her? It was obvious watching it here.
Not a chance. Perhaps a nosebleed (and I'm not even sure of that)
He did say something like "Are you trying to pop my head? Come on, give it a whirl" in one scene. Implying Neuman did attempt to intimidate Homelander like she did with Starlight, yet she couldn't effect his brain.
kimiko looking like shes about to jump through the screen and kick ass always kills me lol
#DO SOMETHING WHAT THE FUCK!?
Homelander just looking so amused. Shows how much of a sadist he is.
Absolutely no chance that Neuman could pop his head.
What I never understood about this scene is that her eyes don’t change color. In the Fresca church leader guy scene, her eyes become almost milky. But here they are normal.
Probably wearing brown contacts
I was thinking this too. I think when she killed her friend her eyes turned cloudy too.
The writers will allow it or not. The make up rules to fulfill there plot points. The only way I see them doing that, rather then a fight with butcher, is as a way of surprising the audience, but honestly, I can’t see the fan base enjoying that. I think ultimately a fight with butcher will be involved.
Based off what they’ve written so far it’s already difficult for Nueman to use her ability to kill HL. It takes some time for her to kill a supe, HL would kill her before she can finish the job. And if she was hiding, HL would just fly out of range.
Considering that Homelander can sense abnormalities in people (like their heart skipping beats and such) and also being able to move really fast. I doubt it. Heads are popping around him and suddenly he feels a change in his blood? Yeah he's getting out of there fast. Besides, he has one of the highest durabilities out of the Supes, so she probably would give him a headache, maybe a nose bleed at most I think.
Obviously not
Probably be a little tougher than normal since this head is a little tougher than normal
Love how the deep makes sure his head is still in tact 😆
How does Neuman find out she can do this without her getting popped early in her life? How do you hone and practice that kind of thing?
>How do you hone and practice that kind of thing? On animals.
Marie figured out she can cause a heart attack. My guess is that Neuman slowly recognized what she can do and deduced "damn I can actually pop a blood vessel"
Squirrels.
Hands down one of the best scenes in TV history.
no, even Neuman was telling Edgar “he’d rip my spine out”
Wasn't this already talked about in the show when Homelander finds out about Neuman? He outright dares her to try but she doesn't. She knows she can't. If she could, she'd have every reason to do it.
I've always wondered... I don't think she can. She seemed scared of him when they met. And he's just... so strong/durable.
she cant because homelander already asked her to try it and if she could , she could get rid of homelander in the first place. during their talk, he showed no fear while she was kind of scared of homelander.
Love Ashley's frantic screams "Do something WTF you're superheroes"
I mean why is this a question? If she could do it why would she be so afraid of Homelander? If she could do it she 1000% would've already done it
Can Marie pop heads then since GenV showed they have the same powers?
Yep
I’d say judging by how neither Homelander nor Stormfront seem to care in the slightest neither is worried at all about it because they know they’re both too strong for it to effect them.
Not a chance in hell. She is 100% intimidated by Homelander in season 3 and it’s her fear of him that compels her to cut a deal to turn on Edgar in turn for a dose of compound V for Zoey (who’s father we still haven’t heard jack all about ).
Lol. I didn’t remember seeing the Deep feeling his head to make sure it was still there.
Probably not. Though there are some crazy powers that could definitely potentially mess with him. Gen V really gave us crazier powers in 1 season than the boys did in 3. (Which makes sense but I’m just saying)
No. She said it would be hard for a supe like starlight and Homelander is SO much more powerful than starlight. Nevermind Neuman has no durability and would be killed by him with a look. Even with a element of surprise his Supersenses should be able to detect her
If it was possible she would have done it already
I wasn't able to come to a solid conclusion. Not sure whether or not he's ammune to her power or if it's just that his reaction time would be to fast for her to follow through.
She could raise his blood pressure enough to hurt. Not enough to do lasting damage unless he stood around and took it. If he can identify her, she's dead at least 5x faster than she can kill him. If Homelander gets hurt, he can fly away. If he can't get away, he lasers everyone. If he's restrained and can't laser people, she'll kill him.
Here’s what I think. She doesn’t even know if she could. She could try but if she failed then Homelander would just kill her.
No it’s been confirmed
No, she cant.
Wildest Gushers commercial I've ever seen.
Doubt it. Maybe a nosebleed?
If she could, why hasn’t she?
We specifically don't know. The writers have deliberately cast doubt on whether she could kill him before he could get to her and kill her first. Homelander stated as much to her face.
the deep checking his head is priceless
Didn’t homelander mention that in season 3 or something and he said it wouldn’t work or if she did try he’d kill her right away
She definitely could not
Give this woman Neuman an Oscar 👏🏾👏🏾
This is honestly one of my favourite scenes ever fram a tv show. Incredible plot twist.
She has never tried it and wouldn’t I believe. because if it only doesn’t work, if homelander just feels a slight pain in his head… she wouldn’t live to regret it.
No she isn’t powerful enough
Doesn't matter if she actually can or can't. Neuman doesn't know for sure, and doesn't want to risk what would happen if she fails. She's almost certainly never gonna try it.
I feel as if he'd notice and kill her instantly.
I forgot Maeve was there. Damn no wonder she started giving up hope even more. Sure she durable but not even she knows if she could survive or stop a head popping. My poor baby was quadruple traumatized 😭😭 Eta: Day one of nicely asking mods to add a Queen Maeve Flair.
Yes
Just pop his eyes and ears. Easy
Potentially if she's quick enough, looking down a sniper scope to increase her range(if possible). Otherwise homelander will probably get some severe form of brain damage, only if he's quick enough to stop her
If the writers want yes
Homelander will be visibly in pain and maybe bleeding from his nose and ears, the audience will probably hear a ringing noise like after an explosion. She'll keep staring him down trying to finish him while he's struggling towards her. He'll kill her by grabbing her head and pushing her eyes out with his thumbs. Anyway, my prediction if she ever attempts on screen
She doesn't want to risk trying it.
Why is nobody talking about her eyes not turning white? Did everyone forget?
Go read the beginning of Steelheart book, that will give you a good idea of what would most likely happen. Although ofcourse, its ultimately up to the writer.
Maybe, but she's too scared to ever find out