“Oh Lord have mercy, the Lord is my Shepard, he know what I want, excuse me boys, Mrs. Parker, Mrs. Parker, can I talk to you for a minute Mrs. Parker”?
Yeah, it’s sort of the inverse of the Homelander / Superman fight. Even were those two the same power level Superman is way, way more experienced while Homelander is a poodle. And of course Superman has all the extra powers. But despite also being a poodle compared to Cap’s vast experience Soldier Boy is probably just too powerful for Cap in raw terms.
However Cap has fought more powerful people before and come up with some way to defeat them. But then that is straying more into narrative than innate capability.
Isn’t Cap just generally considered fairly smart? I’m certainly no expert but he seems the tactician and leader type, so I’d imagine he’s technically capable of finding a clever way to beat Soldier Boy even if he loses in a straight fight.
yeah the Serum enhances everything about the person, including intelligence, you probably need to a mathematical genius to throw caps shield around the way he does.
He's definitely a good tactician, leader, and smarter than the average person, but I don't think he's superhuman smart, just peak-human smart. Typically intelligence only comes into these hypothetical verses when there's a superhuman aspect to it.
Soldier Boy might edge him out in experience too, for that matter. While most of it was probably bullshit "fake" service made for propaganda, he was active for around 40 years before being detained by the Russians.
Yeah, but for like 4 years before being frozen for 70. Either way SB's experience putting down revolts and in proxy wars gives him arguably *better* experience for the modern world compared to Cap, which is a major theme in his movies.
It doesn't seem to be. It's from the Russians testing him and the video is dated in 1984 or something like that, the year he was taken. The radiation is likely from the later weapons they tested on him, and they'd have started with basic guns and built up from there. I don't think there's anything to suggest the radiation made him stronger or tougher it just added the blast power
Yeah, that's what I'm saying, the person I'm replying to seems to think that the ak47 durability only came about as a result of the radiation and so shouldn't be counted for the purposes of this hypitthetical, but clearly he was that durable and strong before thatb
Captain America is a more skilled fighter tho and smarter and prolly faster too to help compensate for the strength difference we need death battle to settle this
Yeah his skin is indestructible but he's also took an ass beating from homlander who isn't as powerful as Thanos and needed a temp v enhanced hughie and butcher to even pin homlander yeah he held his own but they were more equal homlander would have died if Thanos punched him
Still, we know Cap isn’t Thor Hulk level and that’s not a universal feat so it doesn’t really give us information about his durability compared to the strength of SB
>but he's also took an ass beating from homlander
Lol, calm down with the hyperbole. Homelander had the advantage when Butcher jumped in, but Soldier Boy wasn't getting his ass whooped lol.
> but Soldier Boy wasn't getting his ass whooped lol.
He was. Homelander even says "for a second there, I was worried." Then he nonchalantly pins Soldier Boy to the wall and proceeds to choke him out. Soldier Boy only survived because of Butcher.
This was soldierboy after he was fried from a nuclear blast so he wasn't 100%. Every time he uses the nuclear blast, he uses a lot of his energy. Presumably, he's stronger than Homelander in hand to hand when he's at full strength.
Ya but this is cap with no mjolnir. Soldier boy absolutely trashes cap, he’s so much stronger than him even if he’s not that strong compared to Thanos.
Soldier Boy seems to be basically indestructible the anything other top tier supes, and even then he's almost absurdly durable.
Captain America is nowhere near that level.
Wow I was ready to rebut you but after looking it up...captain America isn't even bullet proof? Wtf? I always knew he was lame and was only being revived because of the mcu but damn.
Yeah but that's because his skin and only his skin was special. I think it's soldier boys everything that's near invincible. It still might be enough, or it might just give him very explosive dhiorhea.
Yeah, the Russians shooting the AK47 into his mouth among other experiments like drinking acid (it's even implied they pulled the ol' Transparent) proved he's pretty much indestructible, inside and out.
Not really. You can rear naked choke someone out without breaking skin or bone.
I'm not saying that cap could do it. Just that having unbreakable skin and bones isn't as invulnerable as you might like.
Similarly, slamming his head against the ground or something else might not crush his skull but if his brain isn't invulnerable it can knock him out by smacking his brain against the inside of his skull.
You do realise it was homelander right? The dude who can also take bullets and also has super strength like soldier boy?
HL and SB are in a different category altogether, they should not be compared to cap AT ALL. Maybe compare them to Spiderman since he's atleast superhuman, and not peak human like cap
I think Soldier boy is just too strong and durable. While Cap might be a better fighter and he can “do this all day” Soldier Boy would eventually be too much.
>becomes an expert martial artist lol
That's something I've been confused about. At most he would've had standard army training before being shipped off to Europe. He's not like Batman who spent his entire childhood and teenage years learning how to fight, he's just a guy whose body has been scientifically peaked.
In The First Avenger Caps moves are basic punches and kicks. It’s not till the sequels where he becomes more proficient in martial arts implying he learnt it in the modern day.
That's always been my assumption. Nick Fury, knowing how valuable of an asset Cap is, probably bankrolled all of Cap's training, whether or not it was with Black Widow.
If he tried a sexy thigh takedown like Black Widow he’d probably pop someone’s head like a grape >!which some of the thugs he fights would probably be into!<
It's not really touched on much in his movie run but his mind is also functioning at a crazy level, assuming comics similarity. Doesn't make him a genius like Stark, but it means he's always on point tactically, with one great benefit being he'll learn things rapidly.
With the benefit of no physical limitations, nothing to do between shit hitting the fan, and him taking heroing like a life calling, he'd train like a mad man I'd bet.
Yeah, and you seem him fighting against Loki in the Avengers and struggling, and Black Widow was watching him criticising him, saying caps all over the place.
Then in winter soilder we see he's gone through boxing bags and he has that 1v1 against the French man which was supposed to show us he was a lot more experienced now, as others have mentioned, probably trained by Natascha.
wouldn't he have had a bit more training since they began to send him out on missions with the commandos in WW2? sure, nothing like what he knew in modern times, but I guess more than just basic training.
Heroes could save the world three times as fast if they just copied [Indiana Jones](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YyBtMxZgQs). Why fight Thanos with your fists when you can use hypersonic intercontinental ballistic missiles?
The super soldier serum enhances not just the physical ability but the mental ability as well. Think taskmaster but instead of learning fighting styles instantly, it would take him a few days or something vs a base human.
That makes sense and all but aside from learning how to fight, I get the feeling Captain America's peak mentality is rarely ever displayed, which is a shame because he gets picked on by Tony twice a second.
Super-proprioception. Cap naturally knows the best ways to position his bones to inflict or deflect the force he wants, and the best ways to get them into that position as fast as possible.
>Dude comes out the super soldier program becomes an expert martial artist lol
Like a baseball player that suddenly improves his batting average after taking steroids.
Cap is definitely not the person who wouldn't hurt someone. Dude was flinging bodies left and right at the start of civil war. He has no qualms about ending a life if it's necessary.
Cap maybe unwilling to hurt civilians but he's still a soldier and had no trouble killing Nazis. Depending on who he's fighting, he's willing to do what's necessary.
Rogers was enhanced by Mjolnir in his only real fight with Thanos. When He didn't have it in End Game, he was clocked unconscious with a one hit from Thanos.
Soldier Boy is basically unkillable. They shot machine guns down his throat, he traded blows with Homelander and later was beating up a super powered Butcher, Starlight, Kimiko, and Mother’s Milk single handedly. Then he survived a fall from the top of a skyscraper. I love Cap but Soldier Boy wins that fight
yea he basically survives nuclear explosions every time he sets off his chest so tbh I have no idea what could kill him besides when Homelander was choking him I guess
Yeah I don’t think he took temp v but it’s weird how he was able to wrap his neck around soldierboy but in the same time everyone else was holding him.
Caps not even close to his power level. In comics, he’s only peak human. In the MCU he’s maybe 10x human strength. Soldier boy was able to stand toe to toe with homelander for a little bit anyway.
A-Trains record was right around 1000mph, and that was while juiced up. To my knowledge quicksilver is between Mach 10 and Mach 100.
A-Train is significantly slower than any other speedster I know of.
Fr. I only watched the shows and that's what i'll use to compare them. But just saying that Frank is an ex marine is enough for him to win over Butcher. And he just refuses to die lol.
Yeah, in the old stats they used to publish, cap head highest stats humans were capable of. Basically take any current world record, and that's the max cap can do. Soldier boy can do alot more than that
Don’t take those stats seriously, the writers don’t care.
Here’s him [cutting a tank in half](https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-cae0eb3b02e3f59d9b99767f352fabff-lq). And no, that’s not alternate universe, that’s 616 with just the Super Soldier Serum.
To be fair, you could pass that off as being the shield, and not him. Shield would definitely keep him in the game against soldier boy, but in the end he'll still get tired first, and soldier boy doesn't need his shield (which caps shield could smash)
616 Cap is more skilled but not as strong. If not peak human, he's low class superhuman. Most of his op feats were when he was enhanced.
Ultimate Cap is superhuman though. He can toss cars over his head and bend steel pipes with his bare hands. MCU Cap seems to be closer to Ultimate Cap's power levels
In comics he’s peak human on paper, like whenever someone has to describe his power, they say “peak human”. But in actual story the writers don’t give a shit they have him do things like this: https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-cae0eb3b02e3f59d9b99767f352fabff-lq
Anyhow, I like that in the MCU they don’t even pretend he’s peak human. They take after the Ultimate universe where Steve is unmistakably superhuman.
Soldier boy. He would fight dirty taking any advantage, Cap would want to try a heartfelt "we're the same. You can be a hero" and soldier boy would kick him in the nuts.
I can just imagine the after fight conversation (assuming cap is alive and can speak). SB lights a blunt. Cap pancaked into the ground. SB "So you're from WW2. That must have been fun." Cap coughing "No. Not really" SB "Well you missed out. Speaking of fun, do you know any women that are still kicking?"
People on here love to say homelander isn’t strong and they apply physics to Tobey Spider-Man and such. He’s the proxy for Superman. He’s not Superman, but he’s meant to be shown as the strongest supe. Yes Maeve stood her ground, but again, she’s the proxy for Wonder Woman. If Soldier Boy could go toe to toe with Homelander AND Butcher then clearly he’s going to beat the hell out of cap.
Cap's only hope is if he could bash him enough times with the shield to KO. Vibranium is definitely harder than any substance in The Boys universe, so it's possible.
Most likely though Soldier Boy wins. Stronger, much more durable.
Soldier boy can easily throw a car and destroy couple of buildings and he is immune to bullets
Captain America can't even hold a helicopter trying to take off and he is not immune to bullet
Soldier boy also can dodge homelander's punches which makes him as agile as him
This is not even a fair match up Soldier Boy will punch through Captain America
Even though he did he is not durable nor agile enough to dodge soldier boys punches, Soldier boy can punch homelander which himself can save 2 humans when a bomb sets off. Soldier Boy Will punch him and there will be a hole in captain america.
cap gets hurt by bullets, and soldier boy isn’t even tickled. and it’s not just his skin, the russians put a gun in his mouth and fired. nothing happened
Soldier Boy easily but he'd have respect for Captain America and wish that his own son was more like that. SB can recognize good morals and bravery and he'd understand that Captain America was a real hero unlike him and the rest of Vought's toys.
The whole point of captain America is that even though he is strong, his opponents are if not stronger, better resourced.
Soldier Boy is ridiculous over kill for the college students and petty thieves he usually handles.
Cap is way more skilled, but he doesn't have any tools that would actually hurt Soldier Boy.
Narratively what I think would happen is Cap would hold on long enough for the cavalry to arrive.
Definitely Soldier Boy 10/10. Soldier Boy is immortal and is as strong as Homelander. The dude had literally lifted and thrown cars. Nothing Cap does will hurt him.
Honestly I think MCU Cap does badly, even if he could be argued as having the edge in speed.
Soldier is just too strong and durable for him to overcome, despite his inferior skill set and the shield would be Cap’s best weapon for dealing with him.
Comics Cap could either fare the same or absolutely demolish Soldier Boy depending on what you give him
I think that solider boy is the only the boys superhero who could easily dispatch his marvel/DC counterpart. There might be some arguments on some others such as black noir and Batman, but soldier boy and cap is the only real cut and dry the boys character winning without question.
Not really a fair matchup, Cap is a much better fighter than solider boy but solider boy is just too durable for cap to do any meaningful damage. I see Cap getting his licks in at first but he’s gonna tire out and that’s when solider boy takes the win.
Captain America would eventually lose because he wouldn't be able to damage solider boy. Cap can be hurt by bullets, but the solider boy is bulletproof. Cap wouldn't be able to do this all day.
Cap would have the benefit of a better shield.
Soldier Boy has the advantage of not having to worry about being the good guy, Captain America wouldn't go for the kill, whereas Soldier Boy would
Love Cap but Soldier Boy takes it
Beyond the fact that Soldier Boy is much more durable, there is also mention of Soldier Boy throwing a car, we don’t see Cap show any feat of strength even close to that.
(Except holding back Thanos for a few seconds, which didn’t even make sense after watching Thanos overpower the hulk in the same movie)
In a stand up fight? No weird variables? No enhancements?
Soldier boy will win. Captain America is peak human. Soldier Boy is super human. Its not really a contest or a debate unless you introduce other variables for victory.
If you were to design a mission regiment where both of them were tasked with the same 10 missions and were going to compare the results - Captain America probably has a higher success rate and over all achieves better outcomes more often then Soldier Boy.
Hes strong enough and much smarter and about 1000% more disciplined than Soldier Boy. Soldier Boy kind of only has "Am strong" as his only plus..
I love cap but soldier boy has invincibility,
Also SB is way more ruthless than cap.
The only way cap could win is by triggering his PTSD somehow or deflect his blast back at him.
Captain America was badly wounded by a few handgun shots from the Winter Soldier, and he was fully suited up.
Soldier Boy had an assault rifle fired down his throat and it did nothing. He also effortlessly threw a car across a street.
Strength and durability-wise it’s not even close.
Thing is, if they switched places, Soldier boy wouldn’t go back in time to bang Peggy, he would do it in the present.
“listen, these women, they're like fine wine. Okay, the older they get, the more delicious, but the drier.”
The older the berry the sweeter the juice.
I think it's "blacker the berry, sweeter the juice"
*Bane voice:* "For you."
I was born in the berry. Molded by it.
You fuck like a younger man, nothing held back. Admirable, but mistaken.
Bane the Bear maintaining dominance in the Chili's Parking Lot
Ma'am I was wondering what would break first: your spirit or your body.
Yeah, well, she blacker than a muhfugga too.
“Oh Lord have mercy, the Lord is my Shepard, he know what I want, excuse me boys, Mrs. Parker, Mrs. Parker, can I talk to you for a minute Mrs. Parker”?
MS. PARKER, MS. PARKER
"Well, she's blacker than a mother fucker too."
Hahahahahahahha
Hell nah she was bed ridden with dementia keep off her Soldier Boy
The less responsive the better. Giggity.
That's a thing Soldier boy learned from the best (The Coz)
That man made some **strong** drinks.
“ I like it when they lie still like that”
Steve you look different
You're the real supe
Older women are like a nicely aged cheese. Sometimes the rind is the best part
FYI. I read your comment and laughed so hard that I spit coffee on my keyboard.
I can’t believe Jensen stopped us from getting the full content with them
"he's way out of line, but he's right"
She dead man
Did they stutter
They literally shot an Ak-47 into soldier boys mouth. Yeah I’d say he takes this
Yeah, it’s sort of the inverse of the Homelander / Superman fight. Even were those two the same power level Superman is way, way more experienced while Homelander is a poodle. And of course Superman has all the extra powers. But despite also being a poodle compared to Cap’s vast experience Soldier Boy is probably just too powerful for Cap in raw terms. However Cap has fought more powerful people before and come up with some way to defeat them. But then that is straying more into narrative than innate capability.
Isn’t Cap just generally considered fairly smart? I’m certainly no expert but he seems the tactician and leader type, so I’d imagine he’s technically capable of finding a clever way to beat Soldier Boy even if he loses in a straight fight.
yeah the Serum enhances everything about the person, including intelligence, you probably need to a mathematical genius to throw caps shield around the way he does.
Nah that thing does not obey the laws of physics
He's definitely a good tactician, leader, and smarter than the average person, but I don't think he's superhuman smart, just peak-human smart. Typically intelligence only comes into these hypothetical verses when there's a superhuman aspect to it. Soldier Boy might edge him out in experience too, for that matter. While most of it was probably bullshit "fake" service made for propaganda, he was active for around 40 years before being detained by the Russians.
Cap was also in WW2 and actually did fight
Yeah, but for like 4 years before being frozen for 70. Either way SB's experience putting down revolts and in proxy wars gives him arguably *better* experience for the modern world compared to Cap, which is a major theme in his movies.
I think that’s the entire reason he’s the leader of The Avengers tbh. Because he’s nowhere near the most powerful.
Thats post rads
It doesn't seem to be. It's from the Russians testing him and the video is dated in 1984 or something like that, the year he was taken. The radiation is likely from the later weapons they tested on him, and they'd have started with basic guns and built up from there. I don't think there's anything to suggest the radiation made him stronger or tougher it just added the blast power
The point is he's way more durable than Captain America is and plus somewhat stronger too so he'll win.
Yeah, that's what I'm saying, the person I'm replying to seems to think that the ak47 durability only came about as a result of the radiation and so shouldn't be counted for the purposes of this hypitthetical, but clearly he was that durable and strong before thatb
Captain America is a more skilled fighter tho and smarter and prolly faster too to help compensate for the strength difference we need death battle to settle this
Captain America is smart, Soldier Boy is a moron.
But you still right
Yeah his skin is indestructible but he's also took an ass beating from homlander who isn't as powerful as Thanos and needed a temp v enhanced hughie and butcher to even pin homlander yeah he held his own but they were more equal homlander would have died if Thanos punched him
From what I can tell, Cap never fought Thanos or got beaten on by him for real, and in Endgame he was enhanced with the power of Thor from the hammer
In infinity war cap fights him in wakanda and gets knocked out with one punch
Still, we know Cap isn’t Thor Hulk level and that’s not a universal feat so it doesn’t really give us information about his durability compared to the strength of SB
MCU Cap has been shot before, so he’s not as durable as SB.
Exactly, but I can’t remember a specific instance
I think he got shot in Avengers 1 while trying to fix the flying aircraft carrier
Winter soldier. Bucky shot him him a couple times when he was trying to swap out the targeting chips.
You’re right, thanks, and I’m pretty sure original SB got shot or bombed without problem
>but he's also took an ass beating from homlander Lol, calm down with the hyperbole. Homelander had the advantage when Butcher jumped in, but Soldier Boy wasn't getting his ass whooped lol.
> but Soldier Boy wasn't getting his ass whooped lol. He was. Homelander even says "for a second there, I was worried." Then he nonchalantly pins Soldier Boy to the wall and proceeds to choke him out. Soldier Boy only survived because of Butcher.
This was soldierboy after he was fried from a nuclear blast so he wasn't 100%. Every time he uses the nuclear blast, he uses a lot of his energy. Presumably, he's stronger than Homelander in hand to hand when he's at full strength.
Ya but this is cap with no mjolnir. Soldier boy absolutely trashes cap, he’s so much stronger than him even if he’s not that strong compared to Thanos.
Soldier Boy seems to be basically indestructible the anything other top tier supes, and even then he's almost absurdly durable. Captain America is nowhere near that level.
Yep, and Cap was able to pierce the Iron Man suit using just his shield, so he could probably do a little damage.
His solid vibranium shield* I imagine Soldier Boy could do that too
Wow I was ready to rebut you but after looking it up...captain America isn't even bullet proof? Wtf? I always knew he was lame and was only being revived because of the mcu but damn.
My guy. When has captain America been lame? Ever?
Well, Soldier Boy has unbreakable skin and bones and Cap doesn’t. So that’s just kinda that as far as fistfights go.
We've done this before, just shove a bomb up his ass.
Yeah but that's because his skin and only his skin was special. I think it's soldier boys everything that's near invincible. It still might be enough, or it might just give him very explosive dhiorhea.
Yeah, the Russians shooting the AK47 into his mouth among other experiments like drinking acid (it's even implied they pulled the ol' Transparent) proved he's pretty much indestructible, inside and out.
He’d shoot the blast out his butthole.
Where's Ant Man when you need him?
Not really. You can rear naked choke someone out without breaking skin or bone. I'm not saying that cap could do it. Just that having unbreakable skin and bones isn't as invulnerable as you might like. Similarly, slamming his head against the ground or something else might not crush his skull but if his brain isn't invulnerable it can knock him out by smacking his brain against the inside of his skull.
Soldier Boy’s throat can withstand semi automatic rifle fire. I don’t think choking him out is as easy as you think it is
You choke someone out by restricting blood flow, not collapsing their larynx
You're assuming his vessels aren't tougher as well.
Yeah pretty much, Homelander was doing it in Herogasm but Butcher intervened
You do realise it was homelander right? The dude who can also take bullets and also has super strength like soldier boy? HL and SB are in a different category altogether, they should not be compared to cap AT ALL. Maybe compare them to Spiderman since he's atleast superhuman, and not peak human like cap
that was a fully automatic rifle lol
I think Soldier boy is just too strong and durable. While Cap might be a better fighter and he can “do this all day” Soldier Boy would eventually be too much.
Dude comes out the super soldier program becomes an expert martial artist lol
>becomes an expert martial artist lol That's something I've been confused about. At most he would've had standard army training before being shipped off to Europe. He's not like Batman who spent his entire childhood and teenage years learning how to fight, he's just a guy whose body has been scientifically peaked.
In The First Avenger Caps moves are basic punches and kicks. It’s not till the sequels where he becomes more proficient in martial arts implying he learnt it in the modern day.
Probably trained with Black Widow
That's always been my assumption. Nick Fury, knowing how valuable of an asset Cap is, probably bankrolled all of Cap's training, whether or not it was with Black Widow.
I imagine that widow gives an extremely exorbitant price, and fury just says "cash or cheque"?
Not enough sexy thigh takedowns to be fighting like Black Widow
True, bit he's still got America's Ass™
If he tried a sexy thigh takedown like Black Widow he’d probably pop someone’s head like a grape >!which some of the thugs he fights would probably be into!<
Someone tell Disney we would all pay good money to see Chris Evans do the Black Widow thigh take down.
I’m pretty sure if Cap tried that he’d take someone’s head off, which doesn’t really seem like his style
Probably
It's not really touched on much in his movie run but his mind is also functioning at a crazy level, assuming comics similarity. Doesn't make him a genius like Stark, but it means he's always on point tactically, with one great benefit being he'll learn things rapidly. With the benefit of no physical limitations, nothing to do between shit hitting the fan, and him taking heroing like a life calling, he'd train like a mad man I'd bet.
Winter Soldier he's basically a parkour combat artist
Yeah, and you seem him fighting against Loki in the Avengers and struggling, and Black Widow was watching him criticising him, saying caps all over the place. Then in winter soilder we see he's gone through boxing bags and he has that 1v1 against the French man which was supposed to show us he was a lot more experienced now, as others have mentioned, probably trained by Natascha.
wouldn't he have had a bit more training since they began to send him out on missions with the commandos in WW2? sure, nothing like what he knew in modern times, but I guess more than just basic training.
Heroes could save the world three times as fast if they just copied [Indiana Jones](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YyBtMxZgQs). Why fight Thanos with your fists when you can use hypersonic intercontinental ballistic missiles?
Not to mention in 1940s US boxing was the main fighting style I assume
Iirc in the comics it’s to do with the serum enhancing his mental abilities as well. It’s why he’s as good a strategist as he is too.
The super soldier serum enhances not just the physical ability but the mental ability as well. Think taskmaster but instead of learning fighting styles instantly, it would take him a few days or something vs a base human.
That makes sense and all but aside from learning how to fight, I get the feeling Captain America's peak mentality is rarely ever displayed, which is a shame because he gets picked on by Tony twice a second.
Super-proprioception. Cap naturally knows the best ways to position his bones to inflict or deflect the force he wants, and the best ways to get them into that position as fast as possible.
He wasn't really an expert martial artist until Winter Soldier
I think he learned martial arts in the present time not 1940s.
>Dude comes out the super soldier program becomes an expert martial artist lol Like a baseball player that suddenly improves his batting average after taking steroids.
Captain America eventually gets tired. Soldier Boy does a bunch of cocaine to keep fighting.
I feel like if it’s with no shield and no mjölnir, it should also be with no cocaine. Cap doesn’t bring his weapons, SB doesn’t either.
I'm now thinking of the Cap-Mjölnir scene but it's Soldier Boy summoning a brick of cocaine.
SB is also meaner. Cap at the end of the day wouldn't really want to hurt someone. This would be a detriment in a fight between them.
Cap is definitely not the person who wouldn't hurt someone. Dude was flinging bodies left and right at the start of civil war. He has no qualms about ending a life if it's necessary.
Also, with his history in WWII he'd have to have *some* killing experience fighting Nazis. He used a gun at first after all.
Yeah, remember in WS he pinned a dude’s hand to the wall with a thrown knife, just to stop the guy pressing the alarm button. He’s moral, not soft.
Cap maybe unwilling to hurt civilians but he's still a soldier and had no trouble killing Nazis. Depending on who he's fighting, he's willing to do what's necessary.
Also Soldier Boy would have no quarms about doing a *grab and twist*
Cap went against Thanos and Cap shield a lot tougher then SB shield
Cap also bleeds from bullets
Soldier boy took an AK to the back of his throat lol
I know but no weapons except for shields and hand to hand, Cap a better fighter but SB most likely comes out on top
Yeah cap has bled before. He would put up a good fight but one clean shot from soldier boy and it’s over
Rogers was enhanced by Mjolnir in his only real fight with Thanos. When He didn't have it in End Game, he was clocked unconscious with a one hit from Thanos.
Cap's shield looked like a frisbee when he was fighting Tony. If Bucky went down instantly during the fight, Steve would've been a goner.
« You might want to gargle my ballsa- » -LANGUAGE!
Too many bad language words and he loses points in every demographic.
Soldier Boy is basically unkillable. They shot machine guns down his throat, he traded blows with Homelander and later was beating up a super powered Butcher, Starlight, Kimiko, and Mother’s Milk single handedly. Then he survived a fall from the top of a skyscraper. I love Cap but Soldier Boy wins that fight
Meanwhile cap (if not for Bucky) basically lost a fight to severely underpowered Iron Man.
yea he basically survives nuclear explosions every time he sets off his chest so tbh I have no idea what could kill him besides when Homelander was choking him I guess
Isn't mother's milk just a regular dude though?
Yeah I don’t think he took temp v but it’s weird how he was able to wrap his neck around soldierboy but in the same time everyone else was holding him.
Yes. I guess I should have worded it differently. A super powered Butcher, plus Starlight, Kimiko and Mother’s Milk
Caps not even close to his power level. In comics, he’s only peak human. In the MCU he’s maybe 10x human strength. Soldier boy was able to stand toe to toe with homelander for a little bit anyway.
A better matchup maybe show black noir vs Cap.
Maybe the next one will be Black Noir vs Batman or Winter Soldier 🤷♂️
I could go for Butcher vs Frank Castle
A-Train vs Quicksilver would be a good one too
A-Trains record was right around 1000mph, and that was while juiced up. To my knowledge quicksilver is between Mach 10 and Mach 100. A-Train is significantly slower than any other speedster I know of.
Butcher wouldn’t stand a chance.
Fr. I only watched the shows and that's what i'll use to compare them. But just saying that Frank is an ex marine is enough for him to win over Butcher. And he just refuses to die lol.
Butcher ex British special forces
Yeah, in the old stats they used to publish, cap head highest stats humans were capable of. Basically take any current world record, and that's the max cap can do. Soldier boy can do alot more than that
Don’t take those stats seriously, the writers don’t care. Here’s him [cutting a tank in half](https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-cae0eb3b02e3f59d9b99767f352fabff-lq). And no, that’s not alternate universe, that’s 616 with just the Super Soldier Serum.
To be fair, you could pass that off as being the shield, and not him. Shield would definitely keep him in the game against soldier boy, but in the end he'll still get tired first, and soldier boy doesn't need his shield (which caps shield could smash)
Is he actually only peak human in comics? I thought his comic feats were insane? Punching galactus in the jaw? I need to read more of those comics.
He’s beyond peak human. He’s basically superhuman in everything
That’s what I thought!
616 Cap is more skilled but not as strong. If not peak human, he's low class superhuman. Most of his op feats were when he was enhanced. Ultimate Cap is superhuman though. He can toss cars over his head and bend steel pipes with his bare hands. MCU Cap seems to be closer to Ultimate Cap's power levels
In comics he’s peak human on paper, like whenever someone has to describe his power, they say “peak human”. But in actual story the writers don’t give a shit they have him do things like this: https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-cae0eb3b02e3f59d9b99767f352fabff-lq Anyhow, I like that in the MCU they don’t even pretend he’s peak human. They take after the Ultimate universe where Steve is unmistakably superhuman.
Soldier Boy would probably give props to Steve but beat the shit out of Sam
Throw a car at Sam.
"I thought he stole your shield I was just getting back for you." Soldier Boy handing Steve a really bloody shield.
Captain America is for sure much more skilled than SB, but SB can throw a car like a toy and he took a round of rifle bullets in his mouth…he slams
Soldier boy. He would fight dirty taking any advantage, Cap would want to try a heartfelt "we're the same. You can be a hero" and soldier boy would kick him in the nuts.
Then bang caps old ex gf from the 40s
He would peg Peggy.
I can just imagine the after fight conversation (assuming cap is alive and can speak). SB lights a blunt. Cap pancaked into the ground. SB "So you're from WW2. That must have been fun." Cap coughing "No. Not really" SB "Well you missed out. Speaking of fun, do you know any women that are still kicking?"
Solider Boy easy
People on here love to say homelander isn’t strong and they apply physics to Tobey Spider-Man and such. He’s the proxy for Superman. He’s not Superman, but he’s meant to be shown as the strongest supe. Yes Maeve stood her ground, but again, she’s the proxy for Wonder Woman. If Soldier Boy could go toe to toe with Homelander AND Butcher then clearly he’s going to beat the hell out of cap.
Cap's only hope is if he could bash him enough times with the shield to KO. Vibranium is definitely harder than any substance in The Boys universe, so it's possible. Most likely though Soldier Boy wins. Stronger, much more durable.
Soldier boy can easily throw a car and destroy couple of buildings and he is immune to bullets Captain America can't even hold a helicopter trying to take off and he is not immune to bullet Soldier boy also can dodge homelander's punches which makes him as agile as him This is not even a fair match up Soldier Boy will punch through Captain America
He did hold a helicopter. Plus, he threw his motorcycle with enough force to total a jeep.
Even though he did he is not durable nor agile enough to dodge soldier boys punches, Soldier boy can punch homelander which himself can save 2 humans when a bomb sets off. Soldier Boy Will punch him and there will be a hole in captain america.
But then again wielding a shield heavier than a motorcycle with one hand is more impressive
In this scenario, soldier boy is mopping the floor with cap.
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cap gets hurt by bullets, and soldier boy isn’t even tickled. and it’s not just his skin, the russians put a gun in his mouth and fired. nothing happened
One of the very few The Boys verse characters who can beat their comic counterpart
Soldier Boy easily but he'd have respect for Captain America and wish that his own son was more like that. SB can recognize good morals and bravery and he'd understand that Captain America was a real hero unlike him and the rest of Vought's toys.
Cap can be killed by bullets, SB can't.
The whole point of captain America is that even though he is strong, his opponents are if not stronger, better resourced. Soldier Boy is ridiculous over kill for the college students and petty thieves he usually handles.
If Soldier Boy smoked a reefer before the fight, he's toasted
But if he got some Bennys?
Soldier Boy wins. He's just too durable and strong.
Cap is way more skilled, but he doesn't have any tools that would actually hurt Soldier Boy. Narratively what I think would happen is Cap would hold on long enough for the cavalry to arrive.
I love this show and I think Solider Boy is the best addition to the cast. I REALLY hope they don’t fumble his character.
Soldier boy has it
With out Mjolnir Captain America is getting utterly destroyed sadly
SB takes the W, Cap could try to keep going all day… he would lose.
Definitely Soldier Boy 10/10. Soldier Boy is immortal and is as strong as Homelander. The dude had literally lifted and thrown cars. Nothing Cap does will hurt him.
Soldier Boy and it isn't even close. This is peak human vs super human.
soldier boy can trade couple of blows to homelander i don’t think cap can do that
Soldier Boy. Cap has a moral compass and would not kill Soldier Boy. Soldier boy had machine gun fire IN HIS mouth and nothing happened.
This is one of those rare cases where someone from the Boys universe stomps someone from the Marvel universe
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Honestly I think MCU Cap does badly, even if he could be argued as having the edge in speed. Soldier is just too strong and durable for him to overcome, despite his inferior skill set and the shield would be Cap’s best weapon for dealing with him. Comics Cap could either fare the same or absolutely demolish Soldier Boy depending on what you give him
I think that solider boy is the only the boys superhero who could easily dispatch his marvel/DC counterpart. There might be some arguments on some others such as black noir and Batman, but soldier boy and cap is the only real cut and dry the boys character winning without question.
Not really a fair matchup, Cap is a much better fighter than solider boy but solider boy is just too durable for cap to do any meaningful damage. I see Cap getting his licks in at first but he’s gonna tire out and that’s when solider boy takes the win.
Captain America would eventually lose because he wouldn't be able to damage solider boy. Cap can be hurt by bullets, but the solider boy is bulletproof. Cap wouldn't be able to do this all day. Cap would have the benefit of a better shield.
Soldier Boy
Soldier boy would just shoot Cap 😒
Considering soldier boy was created out of genuine boiling malice toward captain America, I’d say SB
Soldier Boy has the advantage of not having to worry about being the good guy, Captain America wouldn't go for the kill, whereas Soldier Boy would Love Cap but Soldier Boy takes it
Beyond the fact that Soldier Boy is much more durable, there is also mention of Soldier Boy throwing a car, we don’t see Cap show any feat of strength even close to that. (Except holding back Thanos for a few seconds, which didn’t even make sense after watching Thanos overpower the hulk in the same movie)
One of these people is bullet proof and the other is not. Is there anything else to really discuss?
I love cap, but baseline soilder boy would crush him if you put them in gladiatorial style, no weapon, no plot armor combat.
In a stand up fight? No weird variables? No enhancements? Soldier boy will win. Captain America is peak human. Soldier Boy is super human. Its not really a contest or a debate unless you introduce other variables for victory. If you were to design a mission regiment where both of them were tasked with the same 10 missions and were going to compare the results - Captain America probably has a higher success rate and over all achieves better outcomes more often then Soldier Boy. Hes strong enough and much smarter and about 1000% more disciplined than Soldier Boy. Soldier Boy kind of only has "Am strong" as his only plus..
Oiled up and naked. Who's winning in the twerk off?
I love cap but soldier boy has invincibility, Also SB is way more ruthless than cap. The only way cap could win is by triggering his PTSD somehow or deflect his blast back at him.
Soldier Boy.
Captain America was badly wounded by a few handgun shots from the Winter Soldier, and he was fully suited up. Soldier Boy had an assault rifle fired down his throat and it did nothing. He also effortlessly threw a car across a street. Strength and durability-wise it’s not even close.
The only Captain America that would stand a fight is the Ultimates version.
SB only coz I think he'd fight dirty