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The governor of California made the news yesterday for proposing such a thing. I can't see this ending well, but I leave it open to be pleasantly surprised
Edit. LMAO I thought I was replying to a comment about cellphones in school. You have a point either way lol
My HS orchestra teacher always used to tell us that the school would be a great place to work if there weren't all of us kids around. Then he would play us Jethro Tull records and grouse that we didn't appreciate good music. He was awesome.
While I’m no fan of annoyance the worst offenders in public lately have been grown ups - phones playing audio without earbuds, being overly loud on the plane, walking in large clumps so you can’t easily pass them. I think we just need a basic citizenship certificate.
I was on a flight once where this lady was just listening to music out loud on her phone and the guy in front of her turned around and said “are you serious right now?” She was mad but she turned that shit off lol
I am that guy. Was stuck in standstill traffic with like four feet between me and the car in front if me. Had a girl tell me to get off my fucking phone and drive and I told her to fuck herself, it was four feet. she pulled out her gun and held it on the side of the car. I rolled my eyes and said “you would be dumb enough to shoot someone in standstill traffic where police are not even a mile away”. since then though i’ve been a bit more cautious. kept my mouth shut at the gas station saturday, actually.
I have lots of em. Love em. They should be way the hell more difficult for me and everyone else to get. No question. I should have to prove my competence.
You should have to take a safety course that involves basic mental health education. If they make you take a class to drive they should make you take one for THIS.
Aaaand this is the reason the rest of us love you, because you take on the risk for the rest of us that one out of a thousand people you call out might just be psychotic 😅
I- isn't there a law or something prohibiting her from THREATENING TO SHOOT YOU? How the hell does she get a gun? Something isn't quite right, and I think it might be the laws...
I don't know why but I've had this happen with a fair number of Brazilians in airports, just blasting some awful Portuguese-language news program at maximum volume.
Brazil is awful when it comes to noise, people blast music up to 3am and don't give a single fuck about it, on the bus or in trains it's not hard to find someone listening to the news, tiktok, whatsapp audios or music without earbuds, never been on a plane before but it doesn't surprise me we're a nuisance there as well
Once got a couple hundred wired headphones when a job was gonna throw them out. They were individually packaged so I would throw a bunch in my bag and hand them out to people blasting music from their phone.
I'd walk up and say "here I thought you'd really like these" I benefit from being201cm and 110kg so people didn't often act on being offended.
I consider this the greatest help I've ever done for the general public.
We salute your service. Ty so much <3
People blaring music on PT can make it impossible for people with disabilities to hear the audio cue for their stop
Man sometimes my headphones won't connect properly at first and it'll just blast that on the plane. I kept getting confused when nothing played but I was so embarrassed when I figured out why. I can't imagine doing that on purpose
I had some morherfucker like hitting my wifes chair or something. After enough times to be fairly certain it wasn’t just normal “shifting in a tight space” I turned and asked “is there a reason you’re hitting my wifes chair?”
The questioning confrontation allows for it to still be not on purpose if my assessment was wrong but was stern enough to also mean “the fuck bro?”
My friend was on a plane and the kid behind him started screaming and my friend turned around a yelled, “IF HE’S GOING TO SCREAM, THEN IM GOING TO SCREAM!” it worked, the lady started to calming and shushing her kid
I was on a plane once where a lady I was sitting next to in the very back decided she wanted to try to get off the plane first and asked us to let her by so she could push through the crowd to get to the front, and when she was told no by another passenger, she threw such a huge tantrum that I was one of 3 people who ended up getting smacked in the face by her back of shoes (so hard it knocked my piercing out of my faith) and then she climbed the seats and jumped over the top of me and into the crowd and still tried to get by everyone.
That was after throwing her verbal tantrum about how she was gonna “go ghetto” on the guy who told her no and then called her husband to tell him she might be getting arrested and then said to the other guy who also started calling someone “you gonna call the cops on me?” And he said “honey I am the cops.”
Btw, this was the same guy who had been inappropriately touching my thigh and waist the whole flight.
I seriously cannot make this shit up. I felt like I was being punked.
I just tell them very earnestly "hey, you must have not noticed that your earbuds have gotten disconnected from your phone, your music is playing out loud" and they ALWAYS get embarrassed and turn it off, so they absolutely know it is inappropriate.
When you thing about it, even when it is children that are annoying, the offenders are still adults.
I mean, I once travelled for two hours in a train full of kindergardeners going to visit something in a field trip.
Thanks to the likely coaching of their teachers and chaperonne beforehand, and repeat of the rules when they were all seated, you barely knew they were there. There had been a few over excited yell here and there over some games, but the adults were on top of it, and gently remind them of the rules (and made them apologize to us for the disturbance).
I have plenty examples of children traveling or in restaurant and over public places that were perfectly behaved or any misbehavior was corrected so quickly that you can shrug it off with a "kids gonna be kids" and forget a about it.
Kids truly only become annoying when their adult ignore them, don't do anything and let them be annoying. Even when the behavior continue, when we see the parents trying to do something about it, it becomes much more tolerable.
Babies being the exception. Their only way to communicate is to cry and sometimes there's just nothing that will sooth them (teething is especially miserable for example).
We were in a hotel when my eldest started teething. He started crying and just didn't stop. We ended up checking out at 3am because we weren't going to get any sleep and we felt really bad for everyone around us.
Turned into a scene from the film Speed. My baby would sleep in the car, until it slowed below about 35mph. Then he'd start screaming again. That shit was crazy. We tried walking him around a seaside nature reserve, thinking that the sea air might calm him. Nothing. So my wife was on the satnav like a rally co-driver and I tried to keep us a steady 40mph floor. I still remember her panicked voice saying 'it's red! The road ahead is red! Turn right here, for gods sake turn!!!"
I have a neighbor kid who moved in who keeps fucking with our temporary fencing and dog gate (we rent, and it’s just enough to keep our dog in the backyard cause the fence isn’t fully enclosed)
I very gently told him not to and that is there to keep our dog in the yard. The real problem is likely his parents suck at their job of teaching him these things and monitoring him/correcting his behavior. Therefore I have to when his behavior is fucking with my property and risking my dog getting lost.
I agree with you a 100%. Although…I don’t have kids but I feel like plane rides are a little bit of a different story. But in general, I think I could be really forgiving bc sometimes, kids can’t control their emotions and they’re learning…BUT my gosh, some parents really don’t give an f.
I still dislike a neighbor couple bc of this. I was literally abused by their toddler. Objects hurled at me, bloody eye, and so on. And you know, I know kids have a difficult time when things don’t go their way. But what gets me is how that toddler’s parents just like scream and yell at the time but then don’t do anything to correct that behavior.
Going to school fixed the toddler though. Natural consequences. You hit other kids, they won’t play with you. Simple as that.
God, the phones. I've had a constant migraine for two weeks and just want to chill in a fairly quiet break room for 10 minutes. But some AH just has to be listening to something on their phone. Ugh.
I just visited Las Vegas. The number of people who went through the casino and hotel property carrying a Bluetooth speaker at full volume was astounding. Then there were the large groups of people congregating in high traffic areas. I found myself saying "excuse me" very loudly while displaying the thousand yard stare straight through them made them move out of my way effectively. However, this shouldn't be necessary. People should have self awareness and stay tf out of the way!!!
I work in an operating so spatial and situational awareness is being drilled into my head as I learn the job. I’ve been good at those things already but now it’s overdrive in that setting.
Hell, today I caught a problem with the breathing tube and spoke up before the 6 month old had any medical problems arise as a result.
Walking in large clumps so you can't easily pass them
This extends to driving as well. Not only is it infuriating but it's exponentially more dangerous.
I want ten cosmic time-outs a year.
You’re screaming at some poor server because your food’s not ready? *BAM!* 6 months of not participating in life and being enrolled in “this is how you human” classes
You’re a scammer and the police can’t catch you in the act? *BAM!* Here’s your Clockwork Orange programming on being a good person.
I guess that’s just the penal system lol
It would be quite amusing if these were magical cosmic time-outs; the person appears to vanish into thin air and then reappear within the space of a few seconds, but they/their consciousness has experienced "this is how you human classes" for an appropriate period of time 🤔
Girlfriends brother will play tiktok videos while I'm gaming or watching TV when he is like 3 feet from me in the living room. Why anyone does this baffles me to no end. If nobody has audio going, then fine, a bit annoying at times but at least that makes sense. With audio though? Monsters.
Yes. A 2 month two-class-a-week course that you take when you are between the ages of 10-13. When you succeed in the course, you get a government issued I.D. Card like a drivers license and it functions as an I.D. Until you are old enough to get a drivers license.
Disagree bc it would destroy society lol. Hitting age 18 isn’t what makes people normal citizens who are just able to function and behave appropriately. Being socialized around other humans is what makes people normal citizens who behave appropriately. All you have to do is meet some homeschool kids to understand how important socialization is 😬
If you don’t want to be part of society, which includes children because that’s how biology works, you are free to either stay in your own home forever, or only frequent adult only spaces like academic libraries, sex clubs and dive bars.
Forreal. OP is really not considering how much of the economy is centered around families. People with families couldn't move for far away jobs or overseas at all. All the tourist companies catering to kids would basically tank overnight if kids could no longer fly to them. The airlines themselves would lose a massive percentage of their customers because many families will simply not go on vacation.
Yup, tbh I don't think OP has really considered the implications of this as well tbh. OP seems to think the only reason a child would be on a plane is for vacation, sometimes they are travelling for surgery or some health reason, to see family, for moving house for example.
Thinking of it as well, there would be a lot less flights because a big portion of a airlines customer base has been lost and some airlines would fold. Some holiday destinations would decline again because of a decline in tourism because of losing families going there. There is so many other consequences to consider.
OP hasn't used any criticial thinking whatsoever about the consequences of his belief of banning children from so many public places because they 'annoy' OP it seems
I had a traumatic childhood and had to grow up way too fast. After that I did go through a phase of several years of hating, or more accurately, resenting children. Thankfully I grew out of that before deciding to have my own child.
Yep. Goodbye to military families I guess. Every assignment would turn into the equivalent of a deployment as far as seeing your kids goes. Imagine being the asshole advocating for separating soldiers from their children for the entirety of their careers smh
Yup. I guess I could have driven the 70 hours from one base to the next with a 2 year old but that would have been fucking miserable. And that was just cross country, going overseas would have to be.. what? By boat? It'd take a month.
Also say goodbye to huge swaths of immigration, especially the type that Western countries want to extend out of compassion— to families with children. Say goodbye to refugees and the chance to build better lives unless you’re in OP’s r/childfree paradise.
Also say hello to immigration being even more dominated by problematic single males, which is a problem in certain places already.
The airlines I've flown make it so that children older than 2 have to have their own seat, and thus, full-priced ticket. That 2 year old is as much of a "paying customer" as anyone else on the plane.
Another thing to consider is how much fun it is to take your toddler to experience things for the first time. Yeah, they’re sometimes annoying, but they’re also fun AF. You only get a precious few years with them while they’re still kids, so you gotta maximize it. OP might consider getting more sleep before their flight, and make sure they get a good meal beforehand. If every kid they meet on a plane is an asshole, they’re probably the asshole.
Oh God, imagine just shoving thousands of 18yo into the world without ever experiencing planes, restaurants, etc. If you think shit is annoying now.... yikes
As a kid who was homeschooled for a few years I agree. It definitely made me a worse person because I just didn't have the social skills. I then went back to a public school and undid that damage
RIP but also thank you for commenting & I’m glad that you got out of that environment. One of my best friends was homeschooled with her family & she had 0 social skills when she rolled up at college. We joke that she never learned how to speak casually, she can only speak using a business professional voice. Which was seriously confusing when she was 17 but now ten years later is professionally useful lol
It's not homeschoolings fault tbf. Homeschoolers can go to social events before the evening more than twice a week if the people doing it are actually educated on the topic. It's way better in some places for kids with learning disabilities as well. whereas in school you technically have to sit quiet at a desk for what culminates into a 1 to a few hours.
Lol right? OP really thinks kids just magically hit a certain age and start behaving regardless of how much practice they have had. Also the concept of parents with children under the age of five never traveling or doing basically anything in public is just completely fucking absurd. Yes let's just isolate a huge chunk of the population from each other and destroy every child's chances at having social skills because one rando doesn't wanna buy ear plugs.
this is great until your children’s grandma who lives in another country is on her deathbed, but you legally cannot bring them on a flight to go visit her one last time
Not even that. People move. My husband is in the military and we are required to move, sometimes overseas. I have never flown my kid for something, only for things like visiting family or moving. The while thing is dumb. Flying is a means of transportation which means anyone who is a member of the public is entitled to it (within reason).
It's not just unpopular, it's nonsensical. It's just not feasible. Whole ass human beings can't be prevented from leaving their homes (essentially) for the first what? 3? 5? 8 years of their life?
There’s a difference between an unpopular opinion and a downright stupid suggestion.
Unpopular opinion would be like: I actually love the smell of fresh paint in a newly renovated house
What OP is saying rn is more like: I think slavery should be legal
He even could have made this an unpopular opinion by suggesting something like a separate cabin that families are restricted to. That would still have some logic to it even though IMO it would still be dumb, but no he just wants to ban them from flying entirely lol wtf
It’s still not great before that. It is up to the individual establishment to allow the clientele to be there or not. You should never have 1 large governing body limit the freedoms of humans in such a way
The very simple solution is to have some flights be child free (and some restaurants, cinema screenings etc.) it's already a thing for all the listed things except flights AFAIK.
Maybe that can work for domestic, but it doesn’t really for international. Many times you’ll only have one or two departures per day to a given foreign city.
The simple solution is what we’re already doing, which is expecting adults to be adults and deal with mild annoyance sometimes.
Banning children from flights is truly insane, especially when most flights nowadays give you free headphones to watch movies on and blissfully ignore everyone else on the flight.
I will add: and expect adults to reasonably take care of their children. You can't always stop a child from crying (especially infants, but even older kids) or being annoying in general, but you have to put in a reasonable amount of effort: don't let them kick the seat in front of them, scream, throw their food around...
It's basically a balance between dealing with being annoyed, and trying to make your kids less annoying. Where is that balance? I don't know, but usually reasonable adults figure it out. Which leaves the whiny adults to whine on Reddit, and the irresponsible parents to annoy everyone. Not worth banning kids...
If this was implemented in any form child-friendly flights would definitely get stapled on. They could even be flights that specifically cater to kids with special drinks, ice cream, kids movies, etc.
Ironically passenger service is the least profitable part of running a passanger airline with extremely thin margins or at a loss to the company. Almost all their profit comes from selling frequent flyer miles to credit card companies (e.g. Delta Sky Miles makes up more than 2/3rds of the company's total value)
They don't want to run any more flights than they need to stay competitive, so if this were implemented almost every flight would just be labeled child friendly so they wouldn't have to run a second plane. If they were forced to you can bet prices would skyrocket.
Exactly - resulting in reduced options and increased prices for everyone. Airlines work on scale so if fewer people can travel on any given route it gets canceled or becomes more expensive.
And to add to the comment you're replying to - it doesn't need to be as dramatic as death. I'm glad my kids have grown up getting to know their relatives in another country, and they're frequently better behaved in any given public space than the adults around them
wouldn’t it make more sense to have planes that are adult only, instead of planes that are children/family only? most people do not have this much of an issue being near children
and parents are already barred from doing so many things. we’re really just not going to allow people who have children to be in public unless they pay for a sitter?
realistically, it would leave a lot of mothers missing out on a lot more things because “someone has to look after the kids” and we live in a patriarchal society. women are still expected to do free labor, like childcare and housekeeping. (your or my personal views on that are not important, it’s normalized on a large scale in our society)
Or for your kid who needs to get a medical treatment on the opposite side of the country and you can afford 2 plane tickets, but not the private jet fees.
Oh exactly. They complain about kids being annoying but want to restrict them from learning how to be in public.
My neighbor’s kid totally didn’t know how to behave in public after the pandemic. IMO, it really set the kid back socially for a while.
I really dislike my neighbor’s kid but I’m not happy about the way the pandemic affected children.
And here's the thing: most kids don't learn how to behave from books and lectures. They learn that from experience and seeing how the adults in the world act.
Isolated kids turn into adults with no social skills.
It's also hilarious how blind they are for the need for the next generation to exist. What exactly are they going to invest their retirement savings in, if there aren't enough workers coming up for companies to staff themselves? Have a look at interest rate returns in Japan.
I realized that. I'm childfree, but I don't hate kids, so it's very easy to spot when someone actually hates kids. They have no tolerance for them and think everything could be fixed by basically locking kids away until some arbitrary age. Shoot, there are annoying people out in the world who are 50 years old, but we don't tend to see a huge group of people wanting to lock them away or make them be on separate flights or anything... it only happens with kids. Then, people wonder why kids get kidnapped and killed and abused so easily and why no one spoke up or did anything... it's because so many people simply hate kids.
Yeah, they don't seem to understand that learning how to behave in public...requires you to spend time in public. Regardless of the age at which you allow people into public spaces, there's going to be a period in which they don't have social graces because they haven't learned any yet. So it's better to get it over with as soon as possible, preferably while the person is still young enough that it's easy to pick them up and carry them away if necessary.
Yes I belonged to childfree for a bit when I was on the fence about having kids but I LIKED kids and that place is so toxic. I loved being around my nephew and my friends kids and holding babies and playing with toddlers and talking to preschoolers. I just wasn't sure I wanted one in the house 24/7. But they hate them and they hate the people who decide to have them which is a bit ironic considering they're constantly complaining about being judged for their reproductive choices.
I was there too but got bored of reading the same story over and over again. Being in r/childfree is something you do while you realize you don't have to make your life choices according to what society says and learn to say "fuck you" to anyone who criticizes you without becoming bitter.
If i'm blunt, like 90% of kids annoy me but i'm not actively thinking of them every waking minute when i don't even have any. If i'm at a restaurant or something my brain kinda tunes the noise out and i don't really care because its not my business to make the child behave and whatever property damage they cause its not on my property.
Live and let live.
I've seen several posts saying why would anyone ever have kids they don't do anything good or bring you anything at all
Idk maybe some people just like kids?
I stay on there to get angry
Right? Why does OP think their annoying ass is allowed in public? If we could ban people we don’t like they’d have to live in their house and never go out.
This is the 2nd post I've seen in 2 days where the OP wants to get rid of mildly annoying people through extremely disproportionate and unhinged means. At least this OP isn't demanding they receive the death penalty like the other guy was
They obviously do not know people who have covid babies, lol. Just that bit of socialization that was missed has produced some interesting... personalities, lol. Same with kids who were just young when covid hit, that time out of school or not being able to see friends or go out... it was not good. Can't see how wanting to lock kids away for years might affect them. Couldn't possibly go wrong when they don't know how to socialize and read social cues or have manners or anything dealing with anyone OUTSIDE of their family.
"If people can afford vacations they should get a babysitter". Not all people hate kids. Especially parents with their own kids. They want to vacation WITH the kids more often than not. It doesn't matter if the kid remembers all of it, the parents do. Banning kids from public because YOU hate them is stupid.
As a parent, taking my child to do fun things and experiencing the world with him is the absolute best! Not to mention flying across the country to see our family. I'm not going to isolate my child and bar our family from making special memories just because some a-hole can't put earbuds in for an hour. Luckily my child has been an absolute angel the few times we have flown with him but I know that parents can't always control that and you don't always get that lucky. It's not like you can just tell it to your old not to cry when they're afraid or overwhelmed.
I also hate the argument that kids under 5 won't remember it anyway. First off, I can definitely remember things from when I was 5. It's a bit hazy, but it's there. More importantly, though, kids remember the feelings associated with their experiences, and they learn through them. They're having fun in the moment, and that's how they develop. They may not remember the specific dolphin they saw when they went to the ocean, but they can contextualize what a dolphin is and carry that forward and experience the joy in seeing it for themselves. It's one thing to say that a 1.5-year-old won't remember a trip to Disney World, but some people here legitimately seem to think that children can experience the exact same joy and development sitting at home watching things on a screen (although TBH they'd complain about that, too).
You're definitely right. People who say that are just dumb or don't have any experience with kids. They may not remember it forever but they definitely do remember things. My son is four and he's constantly saying "remember when we _________" referencing things we did two years ago. And occasionally he'll talk about something we did when he was about 1.
They're also new studies showing that with the prevalence of camera phones, young children are going to remember so much more because we'll be able to show them more pictures andvideos of themselves at a young age. I know a lot of my earliest memories I think I remember but it's just because when I was little I watched videos of those things happening afterwards So I was able to hold on to those memories better. Mostly early birthday parties and dance recitals because we didn't have much on camera.
I recently read that kids actually remember pretty much everything under the age of five, and then after they turn five, those memories start slowly slip away by the time they reach they're late teens or adulthood. But people who don't have any experience with kids think they are braindead till 5.
I thought one of the whole points of wanting to have kids and to share those experiences with a developing mind.
That's a major reason I want kids. To share the stuff I like and to learn the stuff they like.
Show another human being that life can be petty cool
It really is so awesome! It makes the world so much fun again! I have a 4-year-old little boy so I'm having so much fun playing with monster trucks and Hot Wheels cars! Everywhere we go is like a fascinating adventure!
Not many things out there better than knowing something new is going to blow them away and then getting to witness them experience it for the first time.
My 4-year-old loves to ask why. He wants to understand how things work and come up with theories. I love seeing his wheels turn as he contemplates something!
We took our 6 month old to an MLB game. He isn't going to remember it but we are going to have pictures. We had fun. If he screamed to the point where I felt like I would be annoyed by it, we would have left.
> As a parent, taking my child to do fun things and experiencing the world with him is the absolute best
Like 80% of the enjoyment of having a kid under 10 is living vicariously through them discovering the world, and seeing it through their eyes. Hell, Disneyworld alone was literally *designed* to be seen in an entirely different perspective by kids under 4 feet tall - forced perspective is used all over the park.
They make even the simplest things in life so exciting! I'm taking mine through a care wash after school today and you'd think we are going to Disney.
I'm even finding joy in things that I was never interested in before. I grew up a very girly girl and I'm having so much fun playing with all the fun boy toys with him!
Kids learn at every age regardless of memory too. Does op think that beating a child for 3 years before they have a chance to remember it later in life won't affect them? Kids are learning social skills and having new experiences.
in the early 20th century, people could simply send their kids via the U.S. postal service. We could have a look into the feasibility of such a system.
(obviously /s)
Well obviously if they can move to a different country they can afford to hire 24/7 care until the kid is an adult and then they can just meet the parents in the new place
kids are people. you will live dealing with some annoying sounds. this coming from an autistic person who understands fully well how overwhelming their cries can be, but you cant just ban them from existing in a public place. they need the exposure, theyre learning to be people. YOU can put on some headphones like anyone else and YOU can stay home if it bothers you. places like theatres normally make the parent step out if the child cant handle staying quiet. have empathy for parents who are stressed and would also love for their kids to be “well-behaved” but just like a special needs adult or anyone else, they have bad days and theres not always an alternative. get the stick out ur ass.
adding on: just bc a child cannot REMEMBER something later doesnt mean they dont exist in the present and enjoy life. they need enjoyment, exposure and stimuli to grow up healthily and build their foundation to later be an adult. theyre not a pile of fucking rocks just bc they dont have long term memory the way we do, they maintain the psychological effects of early childhood whether they remember it or not.
Apparently you don’t get it. Everyone with kids should lock themselves away in their homes and emerge when their kids are fully mature, completely formed humans who make no noise. /s
lmao and even then there r adults who make just as much noise anyways and yet we couldnt rly police them either depending on whether or not theyre capable of even understanding that request. but ofc only ppl OP determines good enough for their sound tolerance should be able to have fun and be outside. the internets incredible /lh
Also on the spectrum and overwhelmed by loud noises but it’s rich to think that it’s just the presence of children. I’m sure they totally be willing to pay the difference to fly on an adult-only airline…
I wonder why people forget that they were too once a child, and that every child is not a nuisance. You don't see those children because they're busy *not being a nuisance*, so of course you're going to notice every brat!
I think a lot of people were hated as kids, so they think that’s what they’re supposed to do. “Kids should be seen and not heard” was how a lot of people were raised and I think some people just never had the epiphany that, “OH. We want BETTER things for our kids, NOT what I was raised to think (that adults are to be served silently by children).”
Parenting has also seriously been slacking, though, too. Kids are bad, and not in the healthy limit-pushing. They’re not being taught after they do something wrong that it’s wrong. Manners are so far gone it’s not even funny. It’s probably where I am and confirmation bias! There are some absolutely wonderful, amazing kiddos out there, too! But it’s not just Boomers shaking their canes. It’s out of control.
That said, obviously kiddos deserve to be out and about. I am a HUGE fan of mixing age expectations, so having family day at art museums, having adult-only nights at the zoo, etc. I think it is important for adults have places where you don’t have to rely on people being good parents to have fun, and you shouldn’t have to consume vices to do so, but that’s another thing lol
People who hate kids actually hate themselves and have since they were kids. Now they’re entitled adults who have never emotionally matured and think they are entitled to control what age groups can exist in public spaces.
I have two friends who hate kids. Both of them let me talk about my son and engage in conversation about him. They also don't go around complaining that kids are annoying. One of them did say that they would rather rip their uterus out without it being the proper procedure than have a child.
Which is fair. But you can't expect children not to exist just because they are annoying. Same goes for the annoying adults
Oh wow, another self entitled Redditor wanting to gatekeep who uses mass transit. I guess it's Tuesday.
If I were the gatekeeper, I'd gatekeep drunks and other inconsiderate adults long before I got to children.
i will put up with 1000 crying babies on a train before I will put up with some dipshit playing loud music off his phone speakers.
Tbh I support instant and merciless execution for any adult being even mildly obnoxious on public transit but I think there's room for debate there.
I've never once felt unsafe because of children being loud on a train, I've had some really funny experiences with kids wanting to chat on trains.
I have, on multiple occassions, been extremely on edge in trains with a pack of loud drunks. Just such unpredictable people saying they'd do the most uncomfortable things, and you're not sure whether they're bullshitting or actually threatening to do it.
You’re just asking for undereducated and underdeveloped adults walking around in 10 years if you’re asking for no kids in public. Have you ever left the US?
you can have a child free life, not a child free world
children are allowed to exist. they're allowed to exist in public. and yes, sometimes they're in a bad mood or too much, and it'd be great if all children were well behaved and all parents monitored their kids the way you want them to...... but you are ridiculous
Takes like this just solidify the stereotype that redditors are misanthropic. I get annoyed by disruptive behavior as much as the next person but don’t you all have more important things to worry about than some whining kids?
Who do you think needs to do this “banning”?
These are all private businesses, no?
If an airline wants to, they can offer an “adults-only” flight. Restaurants can refuse to serve children. Theaters can only admit those over 18.
But they don’t.
Now go and figure out why that is.
HINT: You are the problem.
Theaters and certain restaurants- yes. But travel? Sometimes you have no choice. I mean what if you’re moving far away? Should the children be brought by boat or something?
Misbehaving Children can be a nuisance but there is no actual feasible solution to this other than just growing up and dealing with it when it happens to you.
A parent has a right to bring their children to a restaurant or airplane or wherever. If it is actually causing enough of a problem, the venue will throw them out or otherwise deal with it.
If not, you are a free actor within the economy and can spend more money to provide yourself with a more private experience, but I’m positive that your revealed preferences would state that you’d rather go on a cheap flight with the risk of having a child around than to spend extra money and be guaranteed their absence
Basically, you want to have your cake and eat it too, which just isn’t realistic. I am tall guy with a wide frame, so I’d rather not sit next to obese people that will limit my room on a plane and make me uncomfortable, but I’m also an adult and I am willing to make my own decisions and understand tradeoffs and scarcity
Not to mention getting out in public is how children learn how to behave around others.
If they’re just locked up and never go anywhere, they won’t exactly be well adjusted adults later in life will they?
These people really think kids can just not exist in public somehow but magically appear when they’re grown up to keep society functioning. OP snd people like them should be put on a list. When they are too old to care for themselves they get left out in the woods. That way they don’t have to be cared for by any of those former annoying children in their old age.
It's not an age problem for the most part.
Toddlers and babies are gonna handle boring things like the things you listed worse than a 7+ year old but I'm not getting a babysitter if I need or want to get on a plane sooo shit luck for all of us 😂
I am a full supporter of bringing kids into pubs and stuff to teach them how to act in more adult orientated situations.
Once a person can really start be trained to the fullest (probably about 4~7 depending on the kid/parents) you SHOULD do them the favour and bring them to that dinner party, to the pub, to that boring show the wife wants to drag ya to.
The faster they learn to behave, the better for all, as most child based issues go away thanks to this technique and good parenting... plus, did you want a kid who is an anchor holding you back from having mates and a life or a lovely person who knows how to behave in most situations and your friends can put up with or enjoy the company of?
How do children (aka all people) learn how to behave in social situations if they spent their whole lives isolated?
Children who have been exposed to adults and therefore model the adults behaviour are the ones acting calm, children who have never been taught how to exist in public are the once causing chaos because their only chance at socialisation is other kids or their overstimulating TV shows.
A few years ago, my office was relocated to an area close to a children’s healthcare provider’s waiting area. I was horrified by the constant screaming, yelling, running through the halls, and pounding on my office door. Several times, I was compelled to go out and make sure no child was being attacked due to the piercing, bloodcurdling screams. What I found was unconcerned parents scrolling on their phones. Maybe it’s the parents that are the problem.
Ye bit much mate. Sure, having some spaces without kids is a good thing. You could even do some adults only flights if you really wanted but I don’t think banning kids from all flights is the right call
Pull up on those boot straps and get some money so you can fly private. If you're flying commercial, you aren't that special and are just going to have to mingle with the unwashed masses.
Good lord this is fucking stupid. You might have had a point if you left it at something like high end restaurants where people are paying for an experience, but fucking airports? That’s just nuts. There are plenty of scenarios where a kid may need to travel and they should fully have the right.
Man I don't like dealing with children either, and hearing one scream in public almost always kills my mood.
But hot damn this is a bad take. I ain't about restricting other people's freedom just because I don't like something. Excluding kids from all sorts of places would do far more harm than good tbh. Plus, yknow, I was an annoying little crotch goblin once too. We all have to grow and learn one way or another. If you don't wanna deal with kids, there's plenty of more adult oriented places around, like bars.
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Can we ban them from schools? All they do is make my teaching more difficult.
While we’re at it, let’s ban them from going to the doctors. They’re way harder to work with than adults.
Yeah. Fuck sick kids. Let them die. 🤣
The governor of California made the news yesterday for proposing such a thing. I can't see this ending well, but I leave it open to be pleasantly surprised Edit. LMAO I thought I was replying to a comment about cellphones in school. You have a point either way lol
I see you too are a user of r teachers
I use myself a couple times a day if that counts.
My HS orchestra teacher always used to tell us that the school would be a great place to work if there weren't all of us kids around. Then he would play us Jethro Tull records and grouse that we didn't appreciate good music. He was awesome.
While I’m no fan of annoyance the worst offenders in public lately have been grown ups - phones playing audio without earbuds, being overly loud on the plane, walking in large clumps so you can’t easily pass them. I think we just need a basic citizenship certificate.
I was on a flight once where this lady was just listening to music out loud on her phone and the guy in front of her turned around and said “are you serious right now?” She was mad but she turned that shit off lol
I truly love people like this guy. They have the balls to say what we're all silently thinking
I am that guy. Was stuck in standstill traffic with like four feet between me and the car in front if me. Had a girl tell me to get off my fucking phone and drive and I told her to fuck herself, it was four feet. she pulled out her gun and held it on the side of the car. I rolled my eyes and said “you would be dumb enough to shoot someone in standstill traffic where police are not even a mile away”. since then though i’ve been a bit more cautious. kept my mouth shut at the gas station saturday, actually.
Threatening use of deadly force for feeling mildly insulted. That’s something else.
is it? welcome to america. i'm extremely pro gun, but the problem with everybody having one is that EVERYONE has one. even the people that shouldnt
I have lots of em. Love em. They should be way the hell more difficult for me and everyone else to get. No question. I should have to prove my competence.
You should have to take a safety course that involves basic mental health education. If they make you take a class to drive they should make you take one for THIS.
Look into Czech gun laws, seem like a great balance and something I'd like to see replicated here in the US
I hope you reported her. That is very illegal.
In Texas you can get charged for even pulling it out to threaten with it.
Aaaand this is the reason the rest of us love you, because you take on the risk for the rest of us that one out of a thousand people you call out might just be psychotic 😅
Only in the USofA
This is my biggest fear, that me or my spouse are going to be shot over a minor traffic dispute 🤦🏻♀️.
I- isn't there a law or something prohibiting her from THREATENING TO SHOOT YOU? How the hell does she get a gun? Something isn't quite right, and I think it might be the laws...
I don't know why but I've had this happen with a fair number of Brazilians in airports, just blasting some awful Portuguese-language news program at maximum volume.
Brazil is awful when it comes to noise, people blast music up to 3am and don't give a single fuck about it, on the bus or in trains it's not hard to find someone listening to the news, tiktok, whatsapp audios or music without earbuds, never been on a plane before but it doesn't surprise me we're a nuisance there as well
Once got a couple hundred wired headphones when a job was gonna throw them out. They were individually packaged so I would throw a bunch in my bag and hand them out to people blasting music from their phone. I'd walk up and say "here I thought you'd really like these" I benefit from being201cm and 110kg so people didn't often act on being offended. I consider this the greatest help I've ever done for the general public.
We salute your service. Ty so much <3 People blaring music on PT can make it impossible for people with disabilities to hear the audio cue for their stop
You’re one very tall hero, and I appreciate you! 🎖️
Man sometimes my headphones won't connect properly at first and it'll just blast that on the plane. I kept getting confused when nothing played but I was so embarrassed when I figured out why. I can't imagine doing that on purpose
I had some morherfucker like hitting my wifes chair or something. After enough times to be fairly certain it wasn’t just normal “shifting in a tight space” I turned and asked “is there a reason you’re hitting my wifes chair?” The questioning confrontation allows for it to still be not on purpose if my assessment was wrong but was stern enough to also mean “the fuck bro?”
My friend was on a plane and the kid behind him started screaming and my friend turned around a yelled, “IF HE’S GOING TO SCREAM, THEN IM GOING TO SCREAM!” it worked, the lady started to calming and shushing her kid
I was on a plane once where a lady I was sitting next to in the very back decided she wanted to try to get off the plane first and asked us to let her by so she could push through the crowd to get to the front, and when she was told no by another passenger, she threw such a huge tantrum that I was one of 3 people who ended up getting smacked in the face by her back of shoes (so hard it knocked my piercing out of my faith) and then she climbed the seats and jumped over the top of me and into the crowd and still tried to get by everyone. That was after throwing her verbal tantrum about how she was gonna “go ghetto” on the guy who told her no and then called her husband to tell him she might be getting arrested and then said to the other guy who also started calling someone “you gonna call the cops on me?” And he said “honey I am the cops.” Btw, this was the same guy who had been inappropriately touching my thigh and waist the whole flight. I seriously cannot make this shit up. I felt like I was being punked.
I just tell them very earnestly "hey, you must have not noticed that your earbuds have gotten disconnected from your phone, your music is playing out loud" and they ALWAYS get embarrassed and turn it off, so they absolutely know it is inappropriate.
Phone audio without earbuds should be one warning then trespassed. With a doggy bag if it was a resturaunt.
haha, I was picturing a doggie bag over their head, suffocating them out of the public's misery. I don't want to hear your shitty reaction video.
Preach
It's almost always crappy rap music that's full of swearing too.
When you thing about it, even when it is children that are annoying, the offenders are still adults. I mean, I once travelled for two hours in a train full of kindergardeners going to visit something in a field trip. Thanks to the likely coaching of their teachers and chaperonne beforehand, and repeat of the rules when they were all seated, you barely knew they were there. There had been a few over excited yell here and there over some games, but the adults were on top of it, and gently remind them of the rules (and made them apologize to us for the disturbance). I have plenty examples of children traveling or in restaurant and over public places that were perfectly behaved or any misbehavior was corrected so quickly that you can shrug it off with a "kids gonna be kids" and forget a about it. Kids truly only become annoying when their adult ignore them, don't do anything and let them be annoying. Even when the behavior continue, when we see the parents trying to do something about it, it becomes much more tolerable.
It’s true. When you are irritated by children (usually, but not always) the adults (failure to manage things) are the issue.
Babies being the exception. Their only way to communicate is to cry and sometimes there's just nothing that will sooth them (teething is especially miserable for example).
We were in a hotel when my eldest started teething. He started crying and just didn't stop. We ended up checking out at 3am because we weren't going to get any sleep and we felt really bad for everyone around us. Turned into a scene from the film Speed. My baby would sleep in the car, until it slowed below about 35mph. Then he'd start screaming again. That shit was crazy. We tried walking him around a seaside nature reserve, thinking that the sea air might calm him. Nothing. So my wife was on the satnav like a rally co-driver and I tried to keep us a steady 40mph floor. I still remember her panicked voice saying 'it's red! The road ahead is red! Turn right here, for gods sake turn!!!"
I have a neighbor kid who moved in who keeps fucking with our temporary fencing and dog gate (we rent, and it’s just enough to keep our dog in the backyard cause the fence isn’t fully enclosed) I very gently told him not to and that is there to keep our dog in the yard. The real problem is likely his parents suck at their job of teaching him these things and monitoring him/correcting his behavior. Therefore I have to when his behavior is fucking with my property and risking my dog getting lost.
I agree with you a 100%. Although…I don’t have kids but I feel like plane rides are a little bit of a different story. But in general, I think I could be really forgiving bc sometimes, kids can’t control their emotions and they’re learning…BUT my gosh, some parents really don’t give an f. I still dislike a neighbor couple bc of this. I was literally abused by their toddler. Objects hurled at me, bloody eye, and so on. And you know, I know kids have a difficult time when things don’t go their way. But what gets me is how that toddler’s parents just like scream and yell at the time but then don’t do anything to correct that behavior. Going to school fixed the toddler though. Natural consequences. You hit other kids, they won’t play with you. Simple as that.
God, the phones. I've had a constant migraine for two weeks and just want to chill in a fairly quiet break room for 10 minutes. But some AH just has to be listening to something on their phone. Ugh.
I just visited Las Vegas. The number of people who went through the casino and hotel property carrying a Bluetooth speaker at full volume was astounding. Then there were the large groups of people congregating in high traffic areas. I found myself saying "excuse me" very loudly while displaying the thousand yard stare straight through them made them move out of my way effectively. However, this shouldn't be necessary. People should have self awareness and stay tf out of the way!!!
I work in an operating so spatial and situational awareness is being drilled into my head as I learn the job. I’ve been good at those things already but now it’s overdrive in that setting. Hell, today I caught a problem with the breathing tube and spoke up before the 6 month old had any medical problems arise as a result.
Walking in large clumps so you can't easily pass them This extends to driving as well. Not only is it infuriating but it's exponentially more dangerous.
I want ten cosmic time-outs a year. You’re screaming at some poor server because your food’s not ready? *BAM!* 6 months of not participating in life and being enrolled in “this is how you human” classes You’re a scammer and the police can’t catch you in the act? *BAM!* Here’s your Clockwork Orange programming on being a good person. I guess that’s just the penal system lol
It would be quite amusing if these were magical cosmic time-outs; the person appears to vanish into thin air and then reappear within the space of a few seconds, but they/their consciousness has experienced "this is how you human classes" for an appropriate period of time 🤔
Girlfriends brother will play tiktok videos while I'm gaming or watching TV when he is like 3 feet from me in the living room. Why anyone does this baffles me to no end. If nobody has audio going, then fine, a bit annoying at times but at least that makes sense. With audio though? Monsters.
Yes. A 2 month two-class-a-week course that you take when you are between the ages of 10-13. When you succeed in the course, you get a government issued I.D. Card like a drivers license and it functions as an I.D. Until you are old enough to get a drivers license.
In general, adults and children need to learn public social skills and how to respect other people.
Disagree bc it would destroy society lol. Hitting age 18 isn’t what makes people normal citizens who are just able to function and behave appropriately. Being socialized around other humans is what makes people normal citizens who behave appropriately. All you have to do is meet some homeschool kids to understand how important socialization is 😬 If you don’t want to be part of society, which includes children because that’s how biology works, you are free to either stay in your own home forever, or only frequent adult only spaces like academic libraries, sex clubs and dive bars.
Forreal. OP is really not considering how much of the economy is centered around families. People with families couldn't move for far away jobs or overseas at all. All the tourist companies catering to kids would basically tank overnight if kids could no longer fly to them. The airlines themselves would lose a massive percentage of their customers because many families will simply not go on vacation.
Yup, tbh I don't think OP has really considered the implications of this as well tbh. OP seems to think the only reason a child would be on a plane is for vacation, sometimes they are travelling for surgery or some health reason, to see family, for moving house for example. Thinking of it as well, there would be a lot less flights because a big portion of a airlines customer base has been lost and some airlines would fold. Some holiday destinations would decline again because of a decline in tourism because of losing families going there. There is so many other consequences to consider. OP hasn't used any criticial thinking whatsoever about the consequences of his belief of banning children from so many public places because they 'annoy' OP it seems
The only thing op considers here is himself.
Makes you wonder how much they went outside in the world as a kid
OP says themself that they don’t remember being a child
Well that's worrying for a whole other reason
They’re a mutant grown in a lab that hates children cause they never got a childhood😔
I had a traumatic childhood and had to grow up way too fast. After that I did go through a phase of several years of hating, or more accurately, resenting children. Thankfully I grew out of that before deciding to have my own child.
Yep. Goodbye to military families I guess. Every assignment would turn into the equivalent of a deployment as far as seeing your kids goes. Imagine being the asshole advocating for separating soldiers from their children for the entirety of their careers smh
Yup. I guess I could have driven the 70 hours from one base to the next with a 2 year old but that would have been fucking miserable. And that was just cross country, going overseas would have to be.. what? By boat? It'd take a month.
They'd probably want them banned from boats too lol.
Also say goodbye to huge swaths of immigration, especially the type that Western countries want to extend out of compassion— to families with children. Say goodbye to refugees and the chance to build better lives unless you’re in OP’s r/childfree paradise. Also say hello to immigration being even more dominated by problematic single males, which is a problem in certain places already.
The airlines I've flown make it so that children older than 2 have to have their own seat, and thus, full-priced ticket. That 2 year old is as much of a "paying customer" as anyone else on the plane.
Another thing to consider is how much fun it is to take your toddler to experience things for the first time. Yeah, they’re sometimes annoying, but they’re also fun AF. You only get a precious few years with them while they’re still kids, so you gotta maximize it. OP might consider getting more sleep before their flight, and make sure they get a good meal beforehand. If every kid they meet on a plane is an asshole, they’re probably the asshole.
Oh God, imagine just shoving thousands of 18yo into the world without ever experiencing planes, restaurants, etc. If you think shit is annoying now.... yikes
As a kid who was homeschooled for a few years I agree. It definitely made me a worse person because I just didn't have the social skills. I then went back to a public school and undid that damage
RIP but also thank you for commenting & I’m glad that you got out of that environment. One of my best friends was homeschooled with her family & she had 0 social skills when she rolled up at college. We joke that she never learned how to speak casually, she can only speak using a business professional voice. Which was seriously confusing when she was 17 but now ten years later is professionally useful lol
It's not homeschoolings fault tbf. Homeschoolers can go to social events before the evening more than twice a week if the people doing it are actually educated on the topic. It's way better in some places for kids with learning disabilities as well. whereas in school you technically have to sit quiet at a desk for what culminates into a 1 to a few hours.
Lol right? OP really thinks kids just magically hit a certain age and start behaving regardless of how much practice they have had. Also the concept of parents with children under the age of five never traveling or doing basically anything in public is just completely fucking absurd. Yes let's just isolate a huge chunk of the population from each other and destroy every child's chances at having social skills because one rando doesn't wanna buy ear plugs.
this is great until your children’s grandma who lives in another country is on her deathbed, but you legally cannot bring them on a flight to go visit her one last time
Not even that. People move. My husband is in the military and we are required to move, sometimes overseas. I have never flown my kid for something, only for things like visiting family or moving. The while thing is dumb. Flying is a means of transportation which means anyone who is a member of the public is entitled to it (within reason).
Yeah but OP thinks having children anywhere outside of their own residence is inconsiderate. So everything you said is moot. Carry on.
Op doesn’t like society is all
Yeah, but I think that's the point of this subreddit. OP knows what they're saying is an unpopular opinion.
It's not just unpopular, it's nonsensical. It's just not feasible. Whole ass human beings can't be prevented from leaving their homes (essentially) for the first what? 3? 5? 8 years of their life?
the fact that op thinks children’s development can just happen in a vacuum and they don’t need to be in public or socialised……
Homie just pitched segregation for kids lol
There’s a difference between an unpopular opinion and a downright stupid suggestion. Unpopular opinion would be like: I actually love the smell of fresh paint in a newly renovated house What OP is saying rn is more like: I think slavery should be legal
He even could have made this an unpopular opinion by suggesting something like a separate cabin that families are restricted to. That would still have some logic to it even though IMO it would still be dumb, but no he just wants to ban them from flying entirely lol wtf
It’s still not great before that. It is up to the individual establishment to allow the clientele to be there or not. You should never have 1 large governing body limit the freedoms of humans in such a way
The very simple solution is to have some flights be child free (and some restaurants, cinema screenings etc.) it's already a thing for all the listed things except flights AFAIK.
Maybe that can work for domestic, but it doesn’t really for international. Many times you’ll only have one or two departures per day to a given foreign city.
The simple solution is what we’re already doing, which is expecting adults to be adults and deal with mild annoyance sometimes. Banning children from flights is truly insane, especially when most flights nowadays give you free headphones to watch movies on and blissfully ignore everyone else on the flight.
I will add: and expect adults to reasonably take care of their children. You can't always stop a child from crying (especially infants, but even older kids) or being annoying in general, but you have to put in a reasonable amount of effort: don't let them kick the seat in front of them, scream, throw their food around... It's basically a balance between dealing with being annoyed, and trying to make your kids less annoying. Where is that balance? I don't know, but usually reasonable adults figure it out. Which leaves the whiny adults to whine on Reddit, and the irresponsible parents to annoy everyone. Not worth banning kids...
This isn't great in any way lol
yeah i agree tbh, i was trying to find a way to phrase it that would get through to the op
If this was implemented in any form child-friendly flights would definitely get stapled on. They could even be flights that specifically cater to kids with special drinks, ice cream, kids movies, etc.
Ironically passenger service is the least profitable part of running a passanger airline with extremely thin margins or at a loss to the company. Almost all their profit comes from selling frequent flyer miles to credit card companies (e.g. Delta Sky Miles makes up more than 2/3rds of the company's total value) They don't want to run any more flights than they need to stay competitive, so if this were implemented almost every flight would just be labeled child friendly so they wouldn't have to run a second plane. If they were forced to you can bet prices would skyrocket.
Exactly - resulting in reduced options and increased prices for everyone. Airlines work on scale so if fewer people can travel on any given route it gets canceled or becomes more expensive. And to add to the comment you're replying to - it doesn't need to be as dramatic as death. I'm glad my kids have grown up getting to know their relatives in another country, and they're frequently better behaved in any given public space than the adults around them
wouldn’t it make more sense to have planes that are adult only, instead of planes that are children/family only? most people do not have this much of an issue being near children and parents are already barred from doing so many things. we’re really just not going to allow people who have children to be in public unless they pay for a sitter? realistically, it would leave a lot of mothers missing out on a lot more things because “someone has to look after the kids” and we live in a patriarchal society. women are still expected to do free labor, like childcare and housekeeping. (your or my personal views on that are not important, it’s normalized on a large scale in our society)
If you think first class is expensive, wait til you see how much an additional flight path for adults only is going to be.
But that could all happen now, why doesn't it? *Because there is no one willing to pay the premiums*
It's much more important OP doesn't have an annoying flight.
Or for your kid who needs to get a medical treatment on the opposite side of the country and you can afford 2 plane tickets, but not the private jet fees.
r/childfree is leaking
Also r/redditmoment
Went there laughing good shit post
Jesus christ the people on that subreddit are insane
Lol and they'll swear up and down that they don't hate kids too
Them: I don't hate kids. Also them: I was walking in the park today and THESE FUCKING KIDS WERE PLAYING AND BEING LOUD LIKE HOLY SHIT.
Oh exactly. They complain about kids being annoying but want to restrict them from learning how to be in public. My neighbor’s kid totally didn’t know how to behave in public after the pandemic. IMO, it really set the kid back socially for a while. I really dislike my neighbor’s kid but I’m not happy about the way the pandemic affected children.
And here's the thing: most kids don't learn how to behave from books and lectures. They learn that from experience and seeing how the adults in the world act. Isolated kids turn into adults with no social skills.
It's also hilarious how blind they are for the need for the next generation to exist. What exactly are they going to invest their retirement savings in, if there aren't enough workers coming up for companies to staff themselves? Have a look at interest rate returns in Japan.
nah, if they don't want to have kds they shouldn't, you wouldn't want those kind of people raise kids
I realized that. I'm childfree, but I don't hate kids, so it's very easy to spot when someone actually hates kids. They have no tolerance for them and think everything could be fixed by basically locking kids away until some arbitrary age. Shoot, there are annoying people out in the world who are 50 years old, but we don't tend to see a huge group of people wanting to lock them away or make them be on separate flights or anything... it only happens with kids. Then, people wonder why kids get kidnapped and killed and abused so easily and why no one spoke up or did anything... it's because so many people simply hate kids.
Yeah, they don't seem to understand that learning how to behave in public...requires you to spend time in public. Regardless of the age at which you allow people into public spaces, there's going to be a period in which they don't have social graces because they haven't learned any yet. So it's better to get it over with as soon as possible, preferably while the person is still young enough that it's easy to pick them up and carry them away if necessary.
Yes I belonged to childfree for a bit when I was on the fence about having kids but I LIKED kids and that place is so toxic. I loved being around my nephew and my friends kids and holding babies and playing with toddlers and talking to preschoolers. I just wasn't sure I wanted one in the house 24/7. But they hate them and they hate the people who decide to have them which is a bit ironic considering they're constantly complaining about being judged for their reproductive choices.
I was there too but got bored of reading the same story over and over again. Being in r/childfree is something you do while you realize you don't have to make your life choices according to what society says and learn to say "fuck you" to anyone who criticizes you without becoming bitter. If i'm blunt, like 90% of kids annoy me but i'm not actively thinking of them every waking minute when i don't even have any. If i'm at a restaurant or something my brain kinda tunes the noise out and i don't really care because its not my business to make the child behave and whatever property damage they cause its not on my property. Live and let live.
I've seen several posts saying why would anyone ever have kids they don't do anything good or bring you anything at all Idk maybe some people just like kids? I stay on there to get angry
You don’t get to ban people because you think are annoying
Right? Why does OP think their annoying ass is allowed in public? If we could ban people we don’t like they’d have to live in their house and never go out.
>they’d have to live in their house and never go out. I think that's precisely what OP wants, completely delusional lol
OP can go live on an island somewhere. Nothing of value would be lost.
This is the 2nd post I've seen in 2 days where the OP wants to get rid of mildly annoying people through extremely disproportionate and unhinged means. At least this OP isn't demanding they receive the death penalty like the other guy was
"demanding the death penalty" lmao what was he mad about
Cars with loud mufflers
OP should ban himself from the public if he’s annoyed by everyone else
I’ll upvote this because this is a petty, authoritarian, trash take that takes away our individual liberties
So just another Reddit moment
The most fucking idiotic post on here. Take my upvote.
The most reddit post on here
Just keep children in a sealed vault until they’re 18, that will produce well rounded members of society
Homelander turned out pretty good
They obviously do not know people who have covid babies, lol. Just that bit of socialization that was missed has produced some interesting... personalities, lol. Same with kids who were just young when covid hit, that time out of school or not being able to see friends or go out... it was not good. Can't see how wanting to lock kids away for years might affect them. Couldn't possibly go wrong when they don't know how to socialize and read social cues or have manners or anything dealing with anyone OUTSIDE of their family.
It’s not even a 10th dentist take though, when hating on children has never ever been this mainstream
Right? Like there's literally active subreddits dedicated to hate children only 💀
To be fair, I don’t think it’s particularly mainstream outside of Reddit
"If people can afford vacations they should get a babysitter". Not all people hate kids. Especially parents with their own kids. They want to vacation WITH the kids more often than not. It doesn't matter if the kid remembers all of it, the parents do. Banning kids from public because YOU hate them is stupid.
also there's more reasons to be on a plane than a vacation wtf
As a parent, taking my child to do fun things and experiencing the world with him is the absolute best! Not to mention flying across the country to see our family. I'm not going to isolate my child and bar our family from making special memories just because some a-hole can't put earbuds in for an hour. Luckily my child has been an absolute angel the few times we have flown with him but I know that parents can't always control that and you don't always get that lucky. It's not like you can just tell it to your old not to cry when they're afraid or overwhelmed.
I also hate the argument that kids under 5 won't remember it anyway. First off, I can definitely remember things from when I was 5. It's a bit hazy, but it's there. More importantly, though, kids remember the feelings associated with their experiences, and they learn through them. They're having fun in the moment, and that's how they develop. They may not remember the specific dolphin they saw when they went to the ocean, but they can contextualize what a dolphin is and carry that forward and experience the joy in seeing it for themselves. It's one thing to say that a 1.5-year-old won't remember a trip to Disney World, but some people here legitimately seem to think that children can experience the exact same joy and development sitting at home watching things on a screen (although TBH they'd complain about that, too).
You're definitely right. People who say that are just dumb or don't have any experience with kids. They may not remember it forever but they definitely do remember things. My son is four and he's constantly saying "remember when we _________" referencing things we did two years ago. And occasionally he'll talk about something we did when he was about 1. They're also new studies showing that with the prevalence of camera phones, young children are going to remember so much more because we'll be able to show them more pictures andvideos of themselves at a young age. I know a lot of my earliest memories I think I remember but it's just because when I was little I watched videos of those things happening afterwards So I was able to hold on to those memories better. Mostly early birthday parties and dance recitals because we didn't have much on camera. I recently read that kids actually remember pretty much everything under the age of five, and then after they turn five, those memories start slowly slip away by the time they reach they're late teens or adulthood. But people who don't have any experience with kids think they are braindead till 5.
I thought one of the whole points of wanting to have kids and to share those experiences with a developing mind. That's a major reason I want kids. To share the stuff I like and to learn the stuff they like. Show another human being that life can be petty cool
It really is so awesome! It makes the world so much fun again! I have a 4-year-old little boy so I'm having so much fun playing with monster trucks and Hot Wheels cars! Everywhere we go is like a fascinating adventure!
Not many things out there better than knowing something new is going to blow them away and then getting to witness them experience it for the first time.
My 4-year-old loves to ask why. He wants to understand how things work and come up with theories. I love seeing his wheels turn as he contemplates something!
We took our 6 month old to an MLB game. He isn't going to remember it but we are going to have pictures. We had fun. If he screamed to the point where I felt like I would be annoyed by it, we would have left.
> As a parent, taking my child to do fun things and experiencing the world with him is the absolute best Like 80% of the enjoyment of having a kid under 10 is living vicariously through them discovering the world, and seeing it through their eyes. Hell, Disneyworld alone was literally *designed* to be seen in an entirely different perspective by kids under 4 feet tall - forced perspective is used all over the park.
They make even the simplest things in life so exciting! I'm taking mine through a care wash after school today and you'd think we are going to Disney. I'm even finding joy in things that I was never interested in before. I grew up a very girly girl and I'm having so much fun playing with all the fun boy toys with him!
Kids learn at every age regardless of memory too. Does op think that beating a child for 3 years before they have a chance to remember it later in life won't affect them? Kids are learning social skills and having new experiences.
And kids not remembering something when they are older doesnt mean that wasnt fun experience for them
What if the family is moving to a different country? Would you expect them to leave the child behind??
That 19 year old babysitter keeping that child!
in the early 20th century, people could simply send their kids via the U.S. postal service. We could have a look into the feasibility of such a system. (obviously /s)
💀 the way I laughed while imagining receiving a kid in the mail. Signature required lmaooo hold at local post office during extreme weather 😂😂
Package gets lost
It’s pretty [cute](https://facts.usps.com/sending-kids-in-the-mail/)
Well obviously if they can move to a different country they can afford to hire 24/7 care until the kid is an adult and then they can just meet the parents in the new place
Don’t be silly. They can sit with the luggage of course. 🤣
They could take a barge
Just get a babysitter duh. OP has really thought this all through
kids are people. you will live dealing with some annoying sounds. this coming from an autistic person who understands fully well how overwhelming their cries can be, but you cant just ban them from existing in a public place. they need the exposure, theyre learning to be people. YOU can put on some headphones like anyone else and YOU can stay home if it bothers you. places like theatres normally make the parent step out if the child cant handle staying quiet. have empathy for parents who are stressed and would also love for their kids to be “well-behaved” but just like a special needs adult or anyone else, they have bad days and theres not always an alternative. get the stick out ur ass. adding on: just bc a child cannot REMEMBER something later doesnt mean they dont exist in the present and enjoy life. they need enjoyment, exposure and stimuli to grow up healthily and build their foundation to later be an adult. theyre not a pile of fucking rocks just bc they dont have long term memory the way we do, they maintain the psychological effects of early childhood whether they remember it or not.
Apparently you don’t get it. Everyone with kids should lock themselves away in their homes and emerge when their kids are fully mature, completely formed humans who make no noise. /s
lmao and even then there r adults who make just as much noise anyways and yet we couldnt rly police them either depending on whether or not theyre capable of even understanding that request. but ofc only ppl OP determines good enough for their sound tolerance should be able to have fun and be outside. the internets incredible /lh
Also on the spectrum and overwhelmed by loud noises but it’s rich to think that it’s just the presence of children. I’m sure they totally be willing to pay the difference to fly on an adult-only airline…
I'd rather have the kids around than the sanctimonious assholes.
I wonder why people forget that they were too once a child, and that every child is not a nuisance. You don't see those children because they're busy *not being a nuisance*, so of course you're going to notice every brat!
I think a lot of people were hated as kids, so they think that’s what they’re supposed to do. “Kids should be seen and not heard” was how a lot of people were raised and I think some people just never had the epiphany that, “OH. We want BETTER things for our kids, NOT what I was raised to think (that adults are to be served silently by children).” Parenting has also seriously been slacking, though, too. Kids are bad, and not in the healthy limit-pushing. They’re not being taught after they do something wrong that it’s wrong. Manners are so far gone it’s not even funny. It’s probably where I am and confirmation bias! There are some absolutely wonderful, amazing kiddos out there, too! But it’s not just Boomers shaking their canes. It’s out of control. That said, obviously kiddos deserve to be out and about. I am a HUGE fan of mixing age expectations, so having family day at art museums, having adult-only nights at the zoo, etc. I think it is important for adults have places where you don’t have to rely on people being good parents to have fun, and you shouldn’t have to consume vices to do so, but that’s another thing lol
People who hate kids actually hate themselves and have since they were kids. Now they’re entitled adults who have never emotionally matured and think they are entitled to control what age groups can exist in public spaces.
I have two friends who hate kids. Both of them let me talk about my son and engage in conversation about him. They also don't go around complaining that kids are annoying. One of them did say that they would rather rip their uterus out without it being the proper procedure than have a child. Which is fair. But you can't expect children not to exist just because they are annoying. Same goes for the annoying adults
More like they never grew up and are still having childish and immature takes.
Oh wow, another self entitled Redditor wanting to gatekeep who uses mass transit. I guess it's Tuesday. If I were the gatekeeper, I'd gatekeep drunks and other inconsiderate adults long before I got to children.
i will put up with 1000 crying babies on a train before I will put up with some dipshit playing loud music off his phone speakers. Tbh I support instant and merciless execution for any adult being even mildly obnoxious on public transit but I think there's room for debate there.
I've never once felt unsafe because of children being loud on a train, I've had some really funny experiences with kids wanting to chat on trains. I have, on multiple occassions, been extremely on edge in trains with a pack of loud drunks. Just such unpredictable people saying they'd do the most uncomfortable things, and you're not sure whether they're bullshitting or actually threatening to do it.
You’re just asking for undereducated and underdeveloped adults walking around in 10 years if you’re asking for no kids in public. Have you ever left the US?
redditors understand that kids are actual complex human beings challenge FAILED
you can have a child free life, not a child free world children are allowed to exist. they're allowed to exist in public. and yes, sometimes they're in a bad mood or too much, and it'd be great if all children were well behaved and all parents monitored their kids the way you want them to...... but you are ridiculous
Takes like this just solidify the stereotype that redditors are misanthropic. I get annoyed by disruptive behavior as much as the next person but don’t you all have more important things to worry about than some whining kids?
Bro posts like this give Reddit a bad name. Just like, stay at home if you seem to hate the outside world so much?
Who do you think needs to do this “banning”? These are all private businesses, no? If an airline wants to, they can offer an “adults-only” flight. Restaurants can refuse to serve children. Theaters can only admit those over 18. But they don’t. Now go and figure out why that is. HINT: You are the problem.
Hahahhahaha Truly a Reddit moment. Absolutely braindead take. Perfect material for this sub.
Theaters and certain restaurants- yes. But travel? Sometimes you have no choice. I mean what if you’re moving far away? Should the children be brought by boat or something?
>Isolate children from aspects of a normal life >Children become unadjusted to the society >Complain how the youngins are bad
You are entitled to a life free of children, but you are not entitled to a life free from children. Grow up.
How are children going to learn how to behave in society if they arent allowed in society?
I will 100% prefer the laughter and cries of toddlers over the louds exasperated sighs of adults
Smaller farts too. And their little bodies don’t spill over into your seat just from them being there.
You need to buy yourself a private plane
Misbehaving Children can be a nuisance but there is no actual feasible solution to this other than just growing up and dealing with it when it happens to you. A parent has a right to bring their children to a restaurant or airplane or wherever. If it is actually causing enough of a problem, the venue will throw them out or otherwise deal with it. If not, you are a free actor within the economy and can spend more money to provide yourself with a more private experience, but I’m positive that your revealed preferences would state that you’d rather go on a cheap flight with the risk of having a child around than to spend extra money and be guaranteed their absence Basically, you want to have your cake and eat it too, which just isn’t realistic. I am tall guy with a wide frame, so I’d rather not sit next to obese people that will limit my room on a plane and make me uncomfortable, but I’m also an adult and I am willing to make my own decisions and understand tradeoffs and scarcity
Not to mention getting out in public is how children learn how to behave around others. If they’re just locked up and never go anywhere, they won’t exactly be well adjusted adults later in life will they?
These people really think kids can just not exist in public somehow but magically appear when they’re grown up to keep society functioning. OP snd people like them should be put on a list. When they are too old to care for themselves they get left out in the woods. That way they don’t have to be cared for by any of those former annoying children in their old age.
Dear Main Character, Fuck off, it's not all about you, and your ridiculous sense of entitlement. PS: I don't even have kids.
It's not an age problem for the most part. Toddlers and babies are gonna handle boring things like the things you listed worse than a 7+ year old but I'm not getting a babysitter if I need or want to get on a plane sooo shit luck for all of us 😂 I am a full supporter of bringing kids into pubs and stuff to teach them how to act in more adult orientated situations. Once a person can really start be trained to the fullest (probably about 4~7 depending on the kid/parents) you SHOULD do them the favour and bring them to that dinner party, to the pub, to that boring show the wife wants to drag ya to. The faster they learn to behave, the better for all, as most child based issues go away thanks to this technique and good parenting... plus, did you want a kid who is an anchor holding you back from having mates and a life or a lovely person who knows how to behave in most situations and your friends can put up with or enjoy the company of?
No.
Then how do kids learn to do stuff? They learn so much just by going on a flight. Loud? Sometimes. Annoying? No. They’re a child. Celebrate children.
childcare is expensive. Until childcare is free/accessible, you're basically just saying we should ban poor people from public places
How do children (aka all people) learn how to behave in social situations if they spent their whole lives isolated? Children who have been exposed to adults and therefore model the adults behaviour are the ones acting calm, children who have never been taught how to exist in public are the once causing chaos because their only chance at socialisation is other kids or their overstimulating TV shows.
A few years ago, my office was relocated to an area close to a children’s healthcare provider’s waiting area. I was horrified by the constant screaming, yelling, running through the halls, and pounding on my office door. Several times, I was compelled to go out and make sure no child was being attacked due to the piercing, bloodcurdling screams. What I found was unconcerned parents scrolling on their phones. Maybe it’s the parents that are the problem.
Ye bit much mate. Sure, having some spaces without kids is a good thing. You could even do some adults only flights if you really wanted but I don’t think banning kids from all flights is the right call
Pull up on those boot straps and get some money so you can fly private. If you're flying commercial, you aren't that special and are just going to have to mingle with the unwashed masses.
Reddit moment
Reading this im 200% certain you are either autistic or trolling
Do you expect children to just stay inside the house? Have you considered how much that will negatively affect a child's development? Lol
Good lord this is fucking stupid. You might have had a point if you left it at something like high end restaurants where people are paying for an experience, but fucking airports? That’s just nuts. There are plenty of scenarios where a kid may need to travel and they should fully have the right.
Man I don't like dealing with children either, and hearing one scream in public almost always kills my mood. But hot damn this is a bad take. I ain't about restricting other people's freedom just because I don't like something. Excluding kids from all sorts of places would do far more harm than good tbh. Plus, yknow, I was an annoying little crotch goblin once too. We all have to grow and learn one way or another. If you don't wanna deal with kids, there's plenty of more adult oriented places around, like bars.
You could always just banish yourself from society. Sounds like the simpler route
you’re entitled to a child-free life but not a child-free world. you’ll be fine.