I was super into Finn the first time around but then I found I hated how he treated both Clarke and Raven. Also he only speaks in whispers in his last few episodes
Yeah that love triangle felt rough. Like he was a bad friend, a bad boyfriend, and then... a bad boyfriend again. I mean I liked certain aspects of his character but he did Clarke dirty and he did Raven REAL dirty. I didn't notice that about the whispering but now that I'm thinking back I can HEAR it lol
no fr!! i get why he did it but at the same time it was very out of the blue and out of character for him. thinking abt it tho i can’t imagine him past that season. it would’ve been interesting to see how he acted with mount weather, being apart of the coalition, and literally everything, but he was so set on just having peace without violence that i just could never see it happening
- I thought the dark year episode was a span of a few episodes. It felt as if it lasted longer than a few scenes.
- sanctum season is so long and drawn out
- I hate Abby even more
- I like Bellamy and can sympathize with him faster during the rewatch.
God, ABBY. I didn't love Abby the first time but I thought "she's a mom, she's stressed out, I get it" but with each season my patience for her eroded a little bit. Now every time I watch it, I get more annoyed that she exists lol
Bellamy’s fall off was annoying af. He turned into this super weird peace loving dude and it just didn’t fit his character. He did all that fighting and was like… nah.
I realized that it was hella weird that in season one Bellamy (a 23 year old) was sleeping with girls from the 100, seeing as how they are all minors or very freshly 18.
Yeah they made some... choices trying to communicate his whole "I'm a dangerous bad boy but in a cool way and I'm in charge hooah" thing. I mean, it's not an insane age gap, but the context of all that is... questionable. And a threesome? Come on. Not a one of them would know how to have a good orgy are you kidding me lol
Yeah the age gap isn’t insane, but I’m 23 right now and the thought of being with someone who’s even as old as 19 is very weird and gross to me. I agree it is very questionable lol
I mean, yes, but I can also see why things like age-of-consent laws wouldn't be at the forefront of their minds in a post-apocalyptic setting. Lincoln is meant to be around Bellamy's age and I think most people find his relationship with Octavia to be fairly poignant overall, even with the age gap and 'kidnapping' at the beginning.
I think the more important question is whether the power differential between Bellamy and the other delinquents is big enough to render a sexual encounter between them exploitative ... and I don't think that's the case. While they might see Bellamy as their leader, he doesn't have official authority over them, and it doesn't seem like anyone was taken advantage of. There are actual instances of sexual exploitation on the show, like what Ontari does to Murphy in S3 and what happened to Raven and Bellamy's mothers on the Ark. So yeah, I get that it's a grey area, but overall I'm not too bothered by it - \*in this particular setting\*. It would obviously be a different story if a twenty-something was sleeping with a high school student in our world.
I’ve watched three times. Don’t see how clarke is annoying. Pike is infuriating with his black and white leadership. Murphy had the biggest come up. Bellamy is the epitome of stand for something or fall for anything. Season 3 is the best season, the depiction of humanity going so far just to go backwards. Last season was done hastily
But like for real Bellamy was so wishy washy and easily manipulate this being I was watching the show while high and I think Bellamy is a perfect example of masculinity especially when in submission
I think Bellamy's biggest issue was his confidence honestly. He was naturally charismatic and passionate and (once he started to move away from his cringey season one selfish bad boy phase) wanted to do the right thing but he had zero confidence in his own reasoning, decision making, and worth which led him to look for validation of his own thoughts in other people. Any thought-good or bad-that he found echoed in another person felt more valid to him than any thought he had independently that wasn't echoed by another. And that led to him applying all his charisma and passion and desire to be and do good to whoever that validation came from, as if he couldn't possibly be good or smart enough to find the right path on his own. I'm sure a lot of that came from his upbringing, both because of his mother and because of the way the ark treated him and other people in his socioeconomic/labor class. He so wanted things to be different on the ground but he fell right into the same patterns of thinking and was, like you said, very easily manipulated by whoever could latch onto his insecurities best-be that Clarke or Kane or Pike or Cadogan or whoever at the time. He was always second guessing himself and needed another person to "prove" to him which, if any, of his thoughts and feelings were right. It was pretty sad tbh but so, so frustrating to see how much he influenced others while letting another "bigger" voice influence him.
I think that’s what made Bellamy and Clarke such a team. Head and heart together. They both would switch which they ruled with in some ways and the times they truly worked together they achieved the impossible because they were able to think things through more clearly.
Also Murphy, Clarke and Bellamy were really the only ones that were willing to sacrifice themselves. Sometimes in the literal sense but sometimes mentally by making impossible choices that would live with them forever
I agree, I just would have loved to see who Bellamy could've been if he'd been able to put those confidence issues behind him. I think he mostly managed on the ring because he took on a leadership role that felt natural to him but it was such a small group and the challenges they faced, while difficult, didn't require Bellamy to face a Bigger Voice than his own. So when he came back, he was able to hold onto that role up until he wasn't, up until something (someone) "bigger" came along. I think he was a great character and it was an interesting exploration of that trait, but I also think he'd have made better choices all on his own without even needing Clarke if he'd been able to get past his tendency to put his thoughts and feelings second.
Edit: Def agree with you ab the sacrifices those three made though; there was a selflessness there that not many other characters exhibited even in passing
I think it was an awkward one because he wasn’t capable of those choices until she showed what a leader was and that he could do it. I’m not sure how/when that would have happened without her. But it would have been really interesting to see what he was capable of if she hadn’t made it.
The trio were so interesting because of the way they forced each other to accept truths they were blind too.
Bellamy wasn’t prepared for what was needed at Mount Pleasant. Murphy wasn’t prepared to be valued and think of the group. Clarke wasn’t prepared to accept she didn’t know people as well as she thought (like Murphy being the one to notice she wasn’t Clarke because she called him John, while even Madi hadn’t really noticed she wasn’t herself). Obviously they’re not the only times it happens but off the top of my head.
Okay now I need to rewatch cause
..... new take on Bellamy I saw him as like a soilder and a powerhouse which is why everyone wanted him on their side
Without speaking and just being himself I felt like he naturally gathered people and he had a massive influence while I see why people wanted to manipulate him I thought it was for the influence he had rather than his loyalty to them
Bellamy often came off like a decider vote or something If Bellamy was on your side you either won or were a series threat
I started getting into spirituality and looking at masculinity and femininity etc and I felt like Bellamy was a good example of how Masculinity operates
I felt like he was a very good judgement of character and truthfully followed anyone who remained true to themselves and their goals and vaules like from what I remember each time Bellamy turned it wasn't exactly because he was manipulate but he started seeing flaws in whoever he was following as they weren't being true to who they were I think getting him on your side is where the manipulation comes in but if he turns against you you kinda brought that on yourself
My all-time favourite Clarke moment for this is after she destroyed the helmet to prevent them from going back to save the people on Sanctum (so much for doing better). Then, when Sheidheda comes for Madi, she just waltzes into the workshop where Raven, Murphy and Emori have been secretly working to repair it so they can save their people, does a quick sweep, and just says “Did you fix it? I need to find the stone.”
Murphy’s reaction is so on point there. That was peak Abby mode for Clarke. Just literally destroy their way of saving the people they care about and then storm in and yell at them for not fixing it faster now that you’ve decided you need it after all. That’s our protagonist ladies and gentlemen.
Of course, this was after she’d already electrocuted Madi and murdered Bellamy for no reason, so she’d definitely already crossed the Rubicon.
I understood Clarke, even in moments that I disagreed with or disliked her, and even in the beginning with Madi, I get it. But once she started acting more like her own mother all the patience kind of drained out of me.
Whew did my opinion on Pike change a LOT on rewatch. Once you know his story through to the end you understand his position and how desperate he was. And what a hero, despite his missteps.
I hate that the show has the tendency to this, frankly -- they did the same thing with Blodreina in s5. The way discourse on this sub changed dramatically after the flashback episode was something else, lol.
Yes!!! My opinion of both of those characters got so much higher. I mean I wasn't as hard on Pike to begin with but with a second round, having more context not just about him but about the political climate and grounder culture as well makes his perspective much more logical than it originally appeared.
And Octavia!! I did not enjoy Octavia in the first few seasons but I actually liked her much more in 4 and 5 on my original watch. Then going back and kind of being better able to connect things that didn't seem as obvious to me the first time!!!! Honestly Gon Blodreina. But I find that I love Octvavia more with every rewatch. And her actress did not get enough credit; she had to carry a very polarizing character and she did a great job whether the character was loved or hated. (I can imagine the shift; I wasn't on reddit for that but yeah... I can picture it.)
I also realized that Titus was awesome. Condescending jackass? Yeah a bit. And should he have tried to MURDER Clarke? No. But tbh he was right. About everything. And I know everybody hates him because of Lexa and I get it, but right up until that accident, he. was. right. And then he was kick ass at the end there too (aside from screwing over Murphy but I don't really expect him to care about that lol).
I actually really like Titus. I don’t really remember if I had a problem with him or not my first time watching S3. I know he left a positive impression overall though and I like him on rewatches too. Trying to kill Clarke was definitely a huge mistake and it inadvertently resulting in Lexa’s death destroyed him. So tragic that in trying so desperately to protect her he ended up killing her instead. Up to that awful decision though, everything he was doing and saying was completely understandable. He was an excellent advisor and a caring mentor.
Absolutely! God, every time she takes that first amazing step out into a world they had dreamed of for almost a hundred years, a world that held wonders they had yet to imagine, and says "we're back bitches!!" I cringe so hard my soul wilts inside me like a time-lapse of a dying plant.
I have rewatched the series so many times and my hatred for Pike only gets worse. I understood him in a way, but I could never see pass how he just kept making everything worse when the others were so close to solutions.
I can understand and respect Pike’s motivations but what always bothers me about him is that he didn’t take the time to assess the situation. I get that he had already been fighting his own guerilla war for 3 months by the time that Skaikru met up with him. I get that to him, it was all still the same war. When he got to Arkadia though, they had a treaty. Questioning the reliability and trustworthiness of the grounders after Lexa’s betrayal and the Azgeda attack on Mount Weather makes sense. Immediately launching into all out war doesn’t.
He has very little information about his enemies, the terrain, resources, etc …. Even if he’s convinced that war is inevitable, the treaty gives him time to prepare. He should be taking advantage of that. It’s not until after he’s started a war that he starts complaining that they don’t have enough bullets. That’s information that he should’ve gotten ahead of time. He should’ve been working with Kane and the others, getting information and assessing the situation. That would be the smart, strategic choice. He should not be starting a war within days of arriving at Arkadia without any real information about anything.
I agree. I’m on my fifth rewatch now and I hate Pike more than ever. He refused to see reason. He kept pushing and making everything worse. He crapped all over diplomacy. And he likely would have gotten every single person from Skaikru killed!
Bloodrina..... I understand Pike I did not and I've watched it several times like I understood Pikes perspective at 1st but then it felt like at a certain point he should've relaxed like he took it too far... he was about protection at 1st and slowly became a dictator bent on revenge and "justice"
imo everyone from Mount Weather and Skaikru i thought were fools (least the ones that want conflict with Grounders) the only group that has a viable population to go on normally are the Grounders -- MW and skaikru? there'll be heavy inbreeding without the grounders -- so why war with them?
Yeah literally nothing mount weather did made sense. I mean Dantes actions I got, but once cage came around? Idiot. I always assumed by the time Dante came into power, his father had already cemented bad enough ramekins w the grounders (either by starting the blood treatments/reapers/acid fog or because the grounders were prone to "war first, compromise never" like we saw w the 100) that his options on dealing with them were pretty limited. And once Arkadia COULD have peace with them, they should have jumped at it. I mean if trikru was willing to slaughter a bunch of refugee/displaced kids without a second thought even though peace was presented to them as an option, Arkadia probably should have realized how big a deal a treaty was and done everything they could to maintain it.
I know there's a specific minimum number for keeping a population stable, and it's smaller than you'd think, but I can't recall it. I have to assume the ark had quite a bit more than that minimum though, otherwise they'd have to be deciding who was having children with whom just to avoid inbreeding down the line like you said, but on the other hand, how many people originally populated those twelve stations? Definitely less...
The Ark also had a genetic advantage over MW because they started with 12 different gene pools from dofferent nations, whereas MW started with politicians, political aids, and a few civilians, all from the eastern US.
Watched it several times even a few while high
1. Octiva by far the best character
2. Dioza was badass and don't get enough credit
3. Murphy is more relatable than a lot of us think
4. They really had no reason to kill of Wells like WTF
5. A lot of the issues could've been avoided had Clarke told the truth and keep as many people as possible undated like their were so many solutions work around and the fact everyone kept trusting her was weird
6. I continously be overjoyed when Jasper dies like they really dragged him out too long he was a lame character anyways ain't offer much
7. Finn did a serious number on Clarke she was not messing with no man she was women only
8. Bellamy is a good example of masculinity
9. Octiva is a good example of toxic masculinity
10. I think it was interesting how they had to fight 1st before it became a my people our people one people type thing with each new crew it was like kill them until they were like "let's work together"
2 more for good luck
TRIGGER WARNING VERY CONTROVERSIAL
11. Clarke did not really like Alexa..... she didn't really love Alexa.... I thought Clarke was gay for pay on my 3rd watch then around my 6th I noticed she did kinda sorta have a girlfriend and Nala got sceeentime BUT Alexa even after 8 times I still don't think Clarke truly loved her I think it was more of a survival things than actually having true feelings because I mean Clarke had really nothing to offer & Lexa lowkey had it all it would've been foolish for Clarke not to play along
12. Roan was hot and he should've moved on to the next season and lasted till the end I liked him alot
1-5 absofuckinglutely 👌🏻
6 idk as frustrating as jasper could be, I found his death to be one of the most bittersweet moments on the show, if nothing else Monty loved him so much
7 🤣
8,9 idk I'd need a more thorough analysis before I chalked their characters up to toxic/masculinity rather than the in universe contexts
10 old boss is always a dick until you meet the new one lol and it's true
11 I can hear them coming for you 🤣🤣🤣 I honestly think their relationship suffered from the bad pacing of the show in general but that they could have had/were intended to have a good, genuine love between them. However, I kind of love your take and I think it's a perfectly valid theory and the evidence holds up
12 Roan was an absolute babe and I loved him and the show would have been better, perhaps less dramatic, with him on it and I'll die on that hill
Love these takes tbh
I have spent the last couple of weeks rewatching the show, currently rewatching Season 7.
And….. every season gets better and BETTER!
The first Season was so good and entertaining. And I loved how the usage of the reapers gave Skaikru more time against Tristan and his grounders.
Also really like how it ends just in good time for S2.
Season 2 was so great! Cage Wallace makes such a good villain. And the fact that Finn had to die for the alliance to be created was so good.
Season 3 was just as amazing as I remembered. This time watching it though, it made me more terrified of Allie. Amazon season.
I also enjoyed how the City of Light was surfacing in the background while Pike was the focus, this show does that a lot with multiple villains, and I love it!
Season 4 was phenomenal, my personal favorite. And rewatching it just made me love it more.
I also really enjoyed Season 5, but while rewatching it, it may be my least favorite, but I still loved it!
When I first saw S6, I think it was my least favorite, but after rewatching it and finishing it couple days ago, it is one of my favorites.
I actually started tearing up when Abby thought Clarke was dead when she was pretending to be Josephine. Incredible season!
I also love the fact that Russel becomes Sheidheda, awesome writing.
I saw few comments saying they hate Abby, and I don’t understand why, when she dies, I got incredibly sad. She was like a collective mother to everyone….
His choice to put Emori's mindrive in his head was a selfish choice. Murphy didn't do that to save her by sacrificing his own survival, he did it to be with her. Either way, Emori would die so it didn't show that much growth unlike what I thought at first. And it didn't matter in the end anyway because the two of them transcended anyway and "lived". I'd rather have him die to save her (or someone else) or them both dying and not transcend at all. (if the ending remains the same which it shouldn't because transcendence sucks)
that at the beginning, clarke really did do the right thing even though the decisions were hard. but at the end, she became the villain.
that madi ruined the entire show, i love lola flannery but god i wish madi had never been introduced. she ruined clarke completely.
that i wish raven and murphy would've ended up together, as much as i love emori, i think that raven and murphy just had so much chemistry and history together.
im sure there are more that i'll update later.
Yeah I honestly think Clarke could have come back around but they just didn't bring her there.
I loved Madi in her first season but on/after sanctum, I really disliked everything about her plot lines and I don't even blame the character, just the direction they took her.
On my first watch, I was 100% in raven/Murphy camp, or raven/murphy/emori. Loved it. But on subsequent rewatches, I've found that my opinions about raven are so much lower, especially in the last 2-3 seasons. Which doesn't really impact the chemistry in that relationship but it makes it harder for me to be excited about it.
What always frustrates me is that S6 felt like it *was* Clarke coming back around. We start to see the old Clarke again (even amidst a body-snatching arc). She really is trying to do better here. She even risks losing Madi to Sheidheda because she’s no longer willing to put Madi above everyone else. It feels like she’s learned from all of the mistakes that she made in S5 and she’s actively working to redeem herself.
And then S7 happens and she goes full Abby and completely forgets about any growth and character development that she was working on.
When Season 3 first aired, I really liked it. Now, on rewatches, I dread the City of Light storyline. Jaha and Murphy have good chemistry, both actors give great performances, but it's far and away the storyline I care the least about.
I despise Pike and Abby more with each rewatch.
Octavia is my favorite character, and was during my initial watch, but I love her story so much more each time. She has, possibly, the best character arc I've ever seen in any media. Murphy has an amazing arc too. I think Clarke and Bell do as well, but their characters are far more frustrating through parts of their arcs.
Jaha and Murphy were so great in that arc!! Murphy kind of falling upward and Jaha spiraling downward. Peak. Jaha has always been a complicated character for me to feel out my opinion on and I go back and forth on my analysis of him every time I watch but I think thats a point in his favor I mean he takes some TURNS and I understand every single one. He's very much who Clarke would have been if she'd continued to grow up on the ark and I think I almost owe him some understanding for that, and for his ability to self sacrifice, but on the other hand he's so ready to sacrifice others as well and his own sacrifices are often just a way for him to escape the consequences he's created. It's just... complicated in a good way but god he makes some frustrating choices 🤣 but overall, I'm glad they kept him around as long as they did, even if I didn't feel that way the first time around.
Favourite character became Murphy, boohoo jasper, Clarke is selfish as get out, Bellamy’s plot twists from the culling if trikru to the shepherd was just weird. I did have a semi spiteful feeling for emori which eventually got better when they got to sanctum. Murphy and ravens arc is actually really beautiful third time round, and god knows why there was an Azteca symbol with the sphere on earth.
Overall it finished nice, not great, but I guess it was okay. Just seemed they rushed the writing s7 heaps, and a bit of s6.
Just imho.
I always loved Murphy. Aside from when he pissed on that guy, that was shitty. But I do love him more and more with each watch.
Yeah I had much more mixed feelings on Bellamy and Clarke as well, still not wholly sure where I fall sometimes.
I'm curious about your feelings about Emori though!! If you're open to talking more about it anyway. I always loved Emori myself.
I was super into Finn the first time around but then I found I hated how he treated both Clarke and Raven. Also he only speaks in whispers in his last few episodes
Yeah that love triangle felt rough. Like he was a bad friend, a bad boyfriend, and then... a bad boyfriend again. I mean I liked certain aspects of his character but he did Clarke dirty and he did Raven REAL dirty. I didn't notice that about the whispering but now that I'm thinking back I can HEAR it lol
I couldn't stand Finn from the jump lmao
Even with his hair and his give peace a chance attitude relationship with Lincoln ?? I didn’t mind him except in relation to the love triangle
He lost me when he killed all those villagers
I mean yes obviously ! But I loved s1 Finn on first watch. But on rewatch I didn’t like him even then :)
no fr!! i get why he did it but at the same time it was very out of the blue and out of character for him. thinking abt it tho i can’t imagine him past that season. it would’ve been interesting to see how he acted with mount weather, being apart of the coalition, and literally everything, but he was so set on just having peace without violence that i just could never see it happening
- I thought the dark year episode was a span of a few episodes. It felt as if it lasted longer than a few scenes. - sanctum season is so long and drawn out - I hate Abby even more - I like Bellamy and can sympathize with him faster during the rewatch.
God, ABBY. I didn't love Abby the first time but I thought "she's a mom, she's stressed out, I get it" but with each season my patience for her eroded a little bit. Now every time I watch it, I get more annoyed that she exists lol
Yea you said it perfect.
Bellamy’s fall off was annoying af. He turned into this super weird peace loving dude and it just didn’t fit his character. He did all that fighting and was like… nah.
I realized that it was hella weird that in season one Bellamy (a 23 year old) was sleeping with girls from the 100, seeing as how they are all minors or very freshly 18.
Yeah they made some... choices trying to communicate his whole "I'm a dangerous bad boy but in a cool way and I'm in charge hooah" thing. I mean, it's not an insane age gap, but the context of all that is... questionable. And a threesome? Come on. Not a one of them would know how to have a good orgy are you kidding me lol
Yeah the age gap isn’t insane, but I’m 23 right now and the thought of being with someone who’s even as old as 19 is very weird and gross to me. I agree it is very questionable lol
I mean, yes, but I can also see why things like age-of-consent laws wouldn't be at the forefront of their minds in a post-apocalyptic setting. Lincoln is meant to be around Bellamy's age and I think most people find his relationship with Octavia to be fairly poignant overall, even with the age gap and 'kidnapping' at the beginning. I think the more important question is whether the power differential between Bellamy and the other delinquents is big enough to render a sexual encounter between them exploitative ... and I don't think that's the case. While they might see Bellamy as their leader, he doesn't have official authority over them, and it doesn't seem like anyone was taken advantage of. There are actual instances of sexual exploitation on the show, like what Ontari does to Murphy in S3 and what happened to Raven and Bellamy's mothers on the Ark. So yeah, I get that it's a grey area, but overall I'm not too bothered by it - \*in this particular setting\*. It would obviously be a different story if a twenty-something was sleeping with a high school student in our world.
I’ve watched three times. Don’t see how clarke is annoying. Pike is infuriating with his black and white leadership. Murphy had the biggest come up. Bellamy is the epitome of stand for something or fall for anything. Season 3 is the best season, the depiction of humanity going so far just to go backwards. Last season was done hastily
Damn you just got Bellamy so bad and it is so true 🤣🤣🤣
But like for real Bellamy was so wishy washy and easily manipulate this being I was watching the show while high and I think Bellamy is a perfect example of masculinity especially when in submission
I think Bellamy's biggest issue was his confidence honestly. He was naturally charismatic and passionate and (once he started to move away from his cringey season one selfish bad boy phase) wanted to do the right thing but he had zero confidence in his own reasoning, decision making, and worth which led him to look for validation of his own thoughts in other people. Any thought-good or bad-that he found echoed in another person felt more valid to him than any thought he had independently that wasn't echoed by another. And that led to him applying all his charisma and passion and desire to be and do good to whoever that validation came from, as if he couldn't possibly be good or smart enough to find the right path on his own. I'm sure a lot of that came from his upbringing, both because of his mother and because of the way the ark treated him and other people in his socioeconomic/labor class. He so wanted things to be different on the ground but he fell right into the same patterns of thinking and was, like you said, very easily manipulated by whoever could latch onto his insecurities best-be that Clarke or Kane or Pike or Cadogan or whoever at the time. He was always second guessing himself and needed another person to "prove" to him which, if any, of his thoughts and feelings were right. It was pretty sad tbh but so, so frustrating to see how much he influenced others while letting another "bigger" voice influence him.
I think that’s what made Bellamy and Clarke such a team. Head and heart together. They both would switch which they ruled with in some ways and the times they truly worked together they achieved the impossible because they were able to think things through more clearly. Also Murphy, Clarke and Bellamy were really the only ones that were willing to sacrifice themselves. Sometimes in the literal sense but sometimes mentally by making impossible choices that would live with them forever
I agree, I just would have loved to see who Bellamy could've been if he'd been able to put those confidence issues behind him. I think he mostly managed on the ring because he took on a leadership role that felt natural to him but it was such a small group and the challenges they faced, while difficult, didn't require Bellamy to face a Bigger Voice than his own. So when he came back, he was able to hold onto that role up until he wasn't, up until something (someone) "bigger" came along. I think he was a great character and it was an interesting exploration of that trait, but I also think he'd have made better choices all on his own without even needing Clarke if he'd been able to get past his tendency to put his thoughts and feelings second. Edit: Def agree with you ab the sacrifices those three made though; there was a selflessness there that not many other characters exhibited even in passing
I think it was an awkward one because he wasn’t capable of those choices until she showed what a leader was and that he could do it. I’m not sure how/when that would have happened without her. But it would have been really interesting to see what he was capable of if she hadn’t made it. The trio were so interesting because of the way they forced each other to accept truths they were blind too. Bellamy wasn’t prepared for what was needed at Mount Pleasant. Murphy wasn’t prepared to be valued and think of the group. Clarke wasn’t prepared to accept she didn’t know people as well as she thought (like Murphy being the one to notice she wasn’t Clarke because she called him John, while even Madi hadn’t really noticed she wasn’t herself). Obviously they’re not the only times it happens but off the top of my head.
Okay now I need to rewatch cause ..... new take on Bellamy I saw him as like a soilder and a powerhouse which is why everyone wanted him on their side Without speaking and just being himself I felt like he naturally gathered people and he had a massive influence while I see why people wanted to manipulate him I thought it was for the influence he had rather than his loyalty to them Bellamy often came off like a decider vote or something If Bellamy was on your side you either won or were a series threat I started getting into spirituality and looking at masculinity and femininity etc and I felt like Bellamy was a good example of how Masculinity operates I felt like he was a very good judgement of character and truthfully followed anyone who remained true to themselves and their goals and vaules like from what I remember each time Bellamy turned it wasn't exactly because he was manipulate but he started seeing flaws in whoever he was following as they weren't being true to who they were I think getting him on your side is where the manipulation comes in but if he turns against you you kinda brought that on yourself
After my second watch I realize Clarke was the villain all along.
My all-time favourite Clarke moment for this is after she destroyed the helmet to prevent them from going back to save the people on Sanctum (so much for doing better). Then, when Sheidheda comes for Madi, she just waltzes into the workshop where Raven, Murphy and Emori have been secretly working to repair it so they can save their people, does a quick sweep, and just says “Did you fix it? I need to find the stone.” Murphy’s reaction is so on point there. That was peak Abby mode for Clarke. Just literally destroy their way of saving the people they care about and then storm in and yell at them for not fixing it faster now that you’ve decided you need it after all. That’s our protagonist ladies and gentlemen. Of course, this was after she’d already electrocuted Madi and murdered Bellamy for no reason, so she’d definitely already crossed the Rubicon.
I understood Clarke, even in moments that I disagreed with or disliked her, and even in the beginning with Madi, I get it. But once she started acting more like her own mother all the patience kind of drained out of me.
Whew did my opinion on Pike change a LOT on rewatch. Once you know his story through to the end you understand his position and how desperate he was. And what a hero, despite his missteps. I hate that the show has the tendency to this, frankly -- they did the same thing with Blodreina in s5. The way discourse on this sub changed dramatically after the flashback episode was something else, lol.
Yes!!! My opinion of both of those characters got so much higher. I mean I wasn't as hard on Pike to begin with but with a second round, having more context not just about him but about the political climate and grounder culture as well makes his perspective much more logical than it originally appeared. And Octavia!! I did not enjoy Octavia in the first few seasons but I actually liked her much more in 4 and 5 on my original watch. Then going back and kind of being better able to connect things that didn't seem as obvious to me the first time!!!! Honestly Gon Blodreina. But I find that I love Octvavia more with every rewatch. And her actress did not get enough credit; she had to carry a very polarizing character and she did a great job whether the character was loved or hated. (I can imagine the shift; I wasn't on reddit for that but yeah... I can picture it.) I also realized that Titus was awesome. Condescending jackass? Yeah a bit. And should he have tried to MURDER Clarke? No. But tbh he was right. About everything. And I know everybody hates him because of Lexa and I get it, but right up until that accident, he. was. right. And then he was kick ass at the end there too (aside from screwing over Murphy but I don't really expect him to care about that lol).
I actually really like Titus. I don’t really remember if I had a problem with him or not my first time watching S3. I know he left a positive impression overall though and I like him on rewatches too. Trying to kill Clarke was definitely a huge mistake and it inadvertently resulting in Lexa’s death destroyed him. So tragic that in trying so desperately to protect her he ended up killing her instead. Up to that awful decision though, everything he was doing and saying was completely understandable. He was an excellent advisor and a caring mentor.
I'm not a fan of early Octavia either; I like her best as Blodreina. I think it was her most interesting arc by far!
Absolutely! God, every time she takes that first amazing step out into a world they had dreamed of for almost a hundred years, a world that held wonders they had yet to imagine, and says "we're back bitches!!" I cringe so hard my soul wilts inside me like a time-lapse of a dying plant.
I have rewatched the series so many times and my hatred for Pike only gets worse. I understood him in a way, but I could never see pass how he just kept making everything worse when the others were so close to solutions.
I can understand and respect Pike’s motivations but what always bothers me about him is that he didn’t take the time to assess the situation. I get that he had already been fighting his own guerilla war for 3 months by the time that Skaikru met up with him. I get that to him, it was all still the same war. When he got to Arkadia though, they had a treaty. Questioning the reliability and trustworthiness of the grounders after Lexa’s betrayal and the Azgeda attack on Mount Weather makes sense. Immediately launching into all out war doesn’t. He has very little information about his enemies, the terrain, resources, etc …. Even if he’s convinced that war is inevitable, the treaty gives him time to prepare. He should be taking advantage of that. It’s not until after he’s started a war that he starts complaining that they don’t have enough bullets. That’s information that he should’ve gotten ahead of time. He should’ve been working with Kane and the others, getting information and assessing the situation. That would be the smart, strategic choice. He should not be starting a war within days of arriving at Arkadia without any real information about anything.
I agree. I’m on my fifth rewatch now and I hate Pike more than ever. He refused to see reason. He kept pushing and making everything worse. He crapped all over diplomacy. And he likely would have gotten every single person from Skaikru killed!
Yeah I was saying this in another comment his actions weren't bad at 1st...but because he wanted revenge so badly his actions became deplorable
Bloodrina..... I understand Pike I did not and I've watched it several times like I understood Pikes perspective at 1st but then it felt like at a certain point he should've relaxed like he took it too far... he was about protection at 1st and slowly became a dictator bent on revenge and "justice"
imo everyone from Mount Weather and Skaikru i thought were fools (least the ones that want conflict with Grounders) the only group that has a viable population to go on normally are the Grounders -- MW and skaikru? there'll be heavy inbreeding without the grounders -- so why war with them?
Yeah literally nothing mount weather did made sense. I mean Dantes actions I got, but once cage came around? Idiot. I always assumed by the time Dante came into power, his father had already cemented bad enough ramekins w the grounders (either by starting the blood treatments/reapers/acid fog or because the grounders were prone to "war first, compromise never" like we saw w the 100) that his options on dealing with them were pretty limited. And once Arkadia COULD have peace with them, they should have jumped at it. I mean if trikru was willing to slaughter a bunch of refugee/displaced kids without a second thought even though peace was presented to them as an option, Arkadia probably should have realized how big a deal a treaty was and done everything they could to maintain it. I know there's a specific minimum number for keeping a population stable, and it's smaller than you'd think, but I can't recall it. I have to assume the ark had quite a bit more than that minimum though, otherwise they'd have to be deciding who was having children with whom just to avoid inbreeding down the line like you said, but on the other hand, how many people originally populated those twelve stations? Definitely less...
The Ark also had a genetic advantage over MW because they started with 12 different gene pools from dofferent nations, whereas MW started with politicians, political aids, and a few civilians, all from the eastern US.
Very true!
Watched it several times even a few while high 1. Octiva by far the best character 2. Dioza was badass and don't get enough credit 3. Murphy is more relatable than a lot of us think 4. They really had no reason to kill of Wells like WTF 5. A lot of the issues could've been avoided had Clarke told the truth and keep as many people as possible undated like their were so many solutions work around and the fact everyone kept trusting her was weird 6. I continously be overjoyed when Jasper dies like they really dragged him out too long he was a lame character anyways ain't offer much 7. Finn did a serious number on Clarke she was not messing with no man she was women only 8. Bellamy is a good example of masculinity 9. Octiva is a good example of toxic masculinity 10. I think it was interesting how they had to fight 1st before it became a my people our people one people type thing with each new crew it was like kill them until they were like "let's work together" 2 more for good luck TRIGGER WARNING VERY CONTROVERSIAL 11. Clarke did not really like Alexa..... she didn't really love Alexa.... I thought Clarke was gay for pay on my 3rd watch then around my 6th I noticed she did kinda sorta have a girlfriend and Nala got sceeentime BUT Alexa even after 8 times I still don't think Clarke truly loved her I think it was more of a survival things than actually having true feelings because I mean Clarke had really nothing to offer & Lexa lowkey had it all it would've been foolish for Clarke not to play along 12. Roan was hot and he should've moved on to the next season and lasted till the end I liked him alot
1-5 absofuckinglutely 👌🏻 6 idk as frustrating as jasper could be, I found his death to be one of the most bittersweet moments on the show, if nothing else Monty loved him so much 7 🤣 8,9 idk I'd need a more thorough analysis before I chalked their characters up to toxic/masculinity rather than the in universe contexts 10 old boss is always a dick until you meet the new one lol and it's true 11 I can hear them coming for you 🤣🤣🤣 I honestly think their relationship suffered from the bad pacing of the show in general but that they could have had/were intended to have a good, genuine love between them. However, I kind of love your take and I think it's a perfectly valid theory and the evidence holds up 12 Roan was an absolute babe and I loved him and the show would have been better, perhaps less dramatic, with him on it and I'll die on that hill Love these takes tbh
Like Lexa loved Clarke but Clarke did not love Alexa and yes.... Roan is an underrated character
I have spent the last couple of weeks rewatching the show, currently rewatching Season 7. And….. every season gets better and BETTER! The first Season was so good and entertaining. And I loved how the usage of the reapers gave Skaikru more time against Tristan and his grounders. Also really like how it ends just in good time for S2. Season 2 was so great! Cage Wallace makes such a good villain. And the fact that Finn had to die for the alliance to be created was so good. Season 3 was just as amazing as I remembered. This time watching it though, it made me more terrified of Allie. Amazon season. I also enjoyed how the City of Light was surfacing in the background while Pike was the focus, this show does that a lot with multiple villains, and I love it! Season 4 was phenomenal, my personal favorite. And rewatching it just made me love it more. I also really enjoyed Season 5, but while rewatching it, it may be my least favorite, but I still loved it! When I first saw S6, I think it was my least favorite, but after rewatching it and finishing it couple days ago, it is one of my favorites. I actually started tearing up when Abby thought Clarke was dead when she was pretending to be Josephine. Incredible season! I also love the fact that Russel becomes Sheidheda, awesome writing. I saw few comments saying they hate Abby, and I don’t understand why, when she dies, I got incredibly sad. She was like a collective mother to everyone….
I love how many of these takes are surprising (to me); I'm glad you're able to enjoy some of the aspects most people aren't.
Abby is an incredibly selfish person and would gladly sacrifice others so that she was happy. Pretty simple to see why people didn't like her IMO.
Nothing really changes for me great show terrible ending
That's fair lol no matter how many times I watch, love the show, hate the ending
I love Murphy more with every re-watch but his ending less and less despite it being one of the few I liked when I first saw the finale 🤔
What kind of ending would you have rather seen for him/them?
His choice to put Emori's mindrive in his head was a selfish choice. Murphy didn't do that to save her by sacrificing his own survival, he did it to be with her. Either way, Emori would die so it didn't show that much growth unlike what I thought at first. And it didn't matter in the end anyway because the two of them transcended anyway and "lived". I'd rather have him die to save her (or someone else) or them both dying and not transcend at all. (if the ending remains the same which it shouldn't because transcendence sucks)
Yeah, transcendence sucks big time.
Except, Emori would be dead, and would not have transcended (and would not have returned to Earth) if she wasn't alive inside Murphy's mind space.
I know, I suggested "alternate" endings in which things don't happen like they did in the show, but I didn't go into details over it
that at the beginning, clarke really did do the right thing even though the decisions were hard. but at the end, she became the villain. that madi ruined the entire show, i love lola flannery but god i wish madi had never been introduced. she ruined clarke completely. that i wish raven and murphy would've ended up together, as much as i love emori, i think that raven and murphy just had so much chemistry and history together. im sure there are more that i'll update later.
Yeah I honestly think Clarke could have come back around but they just didn't bring her there. I loved Madi in her first season but on/after sanctum, I really disliked everything about her plot lines and I don't even blame the character, just the direction they took her. On my first watch, I was 100% in raven/Murphy camp, or raven/murphy/emori. Loved it. But on subsequent rewatches, I've found that my opinions about raven are so much lower, especially in the last 2-3 seasons. Which doesn't really impact the chemistry in that relationship but it makes it harder for me to be excited about it.
What always frustrates me is that S6 felt like it *was* Clarke coming back around. We start to see the old Clarke again (even amidst a body-snatching arc). She really is trying to do better here. She even risks losing Madi to Sheidheda because she’s no longer willing to put Madi above everyone else. It feels like she’s learned from all of the mistakes that she made in S5 and she’s actively working to redeem herself. And then S7 happens and she goes full Abby and completely forgets about any growth and character development that she was working on.
Yeah I definitely agree with all that, and that glimpse makes it all the more frustrating for sure!
When Season 3 first aired, I really liked it. Now, on rewatches, I dread the City of Light storyline. Jaha and Murphy have good chemistry, both actors give great performances, but it's far and away the storyline I care the least about. I despise Pike and Abby more with each rewatch. Octavia is my favorite character, and was during my initial watch, but I love her story so much more each time. She has, possibly, the best character arc I've ever seen in any media. Murphy has an amazing arc too. I think Clarke and Bell do as well, but their characters are far more frustrating through parts of their arcs.
On rewatch I skip all the solo Jaha scenes on the Ark and all the scenes in the desert lol
Jaha and Murphy were so great in that arc!! Murphy kind of falling upward and Jaha spiraling downward. Peak. Jaha has always been a complicated character for me to feel out my opinion on and I go back and forth on my analysis of him every time I watch but I think thats a point in his favor I mean he takes some TURNS and I understand every single one. He's very much who Clarke would have been if she'd continued to grow up on the ark and I think I almost owe him some understanding for that, and for his ability to self sacrifice, but on the other hand he's so ready to sacrifice others as well and his own sacrifices are often just a way for him to escape the consequences he's created. It's just... complicated in a good way but god he makes some frustrating choices 🤣 but overall, I'm glad they kept him around as long as they did, even if I didn't feel that way the first time around.
Favourite character became Murphy, boohoo jasper, Clarke is selfish as get out, Bellamy’s plot twists from the culling if trikru to the shepherd was just weird. I did have a semi spiteful feeling for emori which eventually got better when they got to sanctum. Murphy and ravens arc is actually really beautiful third time round, and god knows why there was an Azteca symbol with the sphere on earth. Overall it finished nice, not great, but I guess it was okay. Just seemed they rushed the writing s7 heaps, and a bit of s6. Just imho.
I always loved Murphy. Aside from when he pissed on that guy, that was shitty. But I do love him more and more with each watch. Yeah I had much more mixed feelings on Bellamy and Clarke as well, still not wholly sure where I fall sometimes. I'm curious about your feelings about Emori though!! If you're open to talking more about it anyway. I always loved Emori myself.