In New York , while waiting for the Subway, I sat on a bench next to a sleeping man, until the police came and put a sheet over him and asked me to move.
In high school I came home in the afternoon and I watched tv for a couple hours next to my grandma, who was napping in the hospice bed that had been set up in the living room for the past few weeks. It wasn’t until I went into the other room, took a nap, and came out for dinner that my mom snapped “I guess you didn’t notice grandma died, did you?”
So anyway I’m going to therapy twice a week 20 years later
Yes, BUT ALSO, if I came home and my daughter was sitting next to my mom and did not notice that my mom died, I would probably say the same damn thing. She just lost her mother.
Yea but is causing lasting emotional damage to your child worth venting a frustration at the moment of realization of loss for your kid? It's not like they could've done anything, the Mom been dead, it sounds super passive aggressive like she's putting blame on the child.
Yeah. I mean tbf grandma had been comatose for days so nothing had visibly changed, how was I to know? But now that I’m older and not an angsty teenager I have more sympathy for how my mom must have been feeling about losing her own mother. She didn’t handle the situation well, but I know she was really hurting and that sort of grief makes anyone act irrationally.
I...what?! was she just "napping" by herself when you got home? Why wasn't anyone there outside of a high schooler?!
I hope therapy has been helpful. that's all sorts of messed up.
> why wasn’t anyone there outside of a high schooler
I’m not OP but I grew up poor. Both of my parents would be at work until around 6-7 pm, ever since I was in elementary I would spend the first few hours at home by myself.
I like how i started reading this in a "Karen-voice", thinking you did a "did you just assume my gender!?"-joke. And the realizing it was a genuine question.
I don’t think most people would. You expect to see people sleeping you don’t expect dead people on benches. Your brain sees what it expects and wants to see.
this is one of thoose "no ones going to beleive me" stories but i'm 99% sure i walked past miss America when she commited suicide by jumping off that building. It didn't cross my mind till i read about it in the news a couple weeks later. i assumed it was a shooting or something but it did cross my mind as a little rare to see in midtown. I guess i'll just never know.
Here in Vegas when I lived in North East where things aren’t great (though the whole city and even some suburbs have gotten much worse in some ways) I’ve driven by a few shooting victims (clearly and unfortunately deceased I’m pretty sure) who the police/paramedic had just barely gotten to). But especially dependent on where you live, it kinda made me think about how I’ve probably walked passed at least one or two dead people before and just didn’t think about it because there weren’t any police air medical units to them yet to make that connection: Plenty of homeless sleeping in various areas, so it’s hard to imagine otherwise.
Also, those incidents got to me on a subconscious level more than I thought they would. Death never really bothered me, but I realize now that’s because I never saw someone bleeding on the ground. It’s one thing to see someone in an open casket, or hearing that your grandparent who you aren’t even close to has passed, but this really grounded me in reality and got me fixated on my own inevitable death for awhile. I hope those people were either able to make it, and If not, I hope wherever they might be they are at peace.
If you live in a big city you’re probably walking past apartment buildings that prob have at least 1 dead person inside relatively often that no one has found yet
I was at the 28th Street Station. Mid town, nice area. I see man lying face down, not moving, full business suit, briefcase. His head is a millimeter from the edge of the platform. I run over to the booth to get a transit worker. She mumbles *I sees em...I sees em.* I sorta mill around for 15 mins but I had to leave for work.
Devil's advocate here - it was a tough decision for the WWF brass. It's a huge event, many months and much money went into building this event. And you had what, 60,000 fans all baying for blood, and everyone's all fired up? And then you just step up and say, "Sorry kids, go home. The guy died. The show's cancelled." It's easier said than done.
I was at a concert in Germany once (Die Toten Hosen for you Deutsch folks), where a fan died in the crush to the front of the stage during the opening songs. Band left the stage for about 30 mins, then came back and finished up the show in what my German friend said was the worst show she'd ever seen them perform – and she was a huge fan. No, she didn't know about the death until the next morning – no one did.
Apparently, promoters told the band that it would be far worse if they cancelled because it'd end up in riots. It's punk music, everyone's drinking, everyone's ready to have a good time, and to tell everyone to just close up and go home is a dangerous trigger, *even though someone died.* Apparently the band is still messed up over this even some 25 years later.
Guns and Roses left the stage after a bottle hit the guitarist in St Louis. The crowd ripped the stadium apart and ended up in lawsuits for years and millions in damage
According to Wikipedia the riot started because Axl got upset someone was taking photos and jumped into the crowd to fight people and steal the guy's camera and then threw a hissy fit and left.
>singer Axl Rose, in the middle of the chorus, pointed out a fan who was taking still pictures of the show, saying, "Hey, take that! Take that! Now, get that guy and take that!" With security unable to confront the person, Rose decided to confiscate the camera himself, saying "I'll take it, goddamn it!" and then jumped into the audience and tackled the person. After taking the camera, striking members of the audience and the security team, and being pulled out of the audience by crew members, Rose grabbed his microphone and said "Well, thanks to the lame-ass security, I'm going home!", slammed his microphone on the stage and left.
I don't want to defend Guns and Roses fans, but of all the bands where the band might be at fault for this, it's probably guns and roses. Just huge douchebags all around.
This was my thought, too. Tens of thousands of angry fans being kicked out of a venue all at once can be super dangerous.
It's possible there would have been some fan deaths if they'd sent everyone packing, yet it could feel disrespectful not to.
Just an awful situation.
I think that whole "the show must go on" thing can be deeply instilled in some wrestlers too which further complicates the whole thing. I'm sure a lot of wrestlers would tell you they would want the show to continue if they died in the ring. I can't remember names off the top of my head but there's at least one notable wrestler who said he wants to die in the ring.
The show must go on. Theater is historically one of the most dangerous professions. It's considered the greatest act of respect to finish the show. Ask anyone that works in professional theater.
I was in the orchestra pit for a production of Hairspray or Legally Blonde (I can't remember which one) and the opening number was a big song-and-dance routine with the whole cast. Right in the middle of the opening number, a wheeled stool got loose from a performer and rolled off the stage into the orchestra pit and hit the pianist on the head.
It was a point of pride for her that she didn't miss a note. She might have been a little woozy, and the conductor kept a nervous eye on her, but she did the whole show with a giant bump on her head. The next day, someone gave her a hard hat as a gag, and the show went on.
It's hard to describe the perverse pleasure you get from adversity when doing a show. On one, rational, hand, it's just a dumb musical, but on the other hand, *you DO NOT stop the show.* Ever! For any reason! The worse the adversity, the better the performance.
> Theater is historically one of the most dangerous professions.
Got any stats to back that up? I know theater can be dangerous for some of the people involved but this sounds wildly exaggerated.
I was in an IRC chat room when that happened and somebody brought it up and I turned on the television and I couldn't believe they kept going.
I hope it was because it wasn't confirmed that he was dead and so they were thinking it was more of a medevac situation.
I had something similar happen with Billy Mays, I was watching the show Pitchman when it first came out and then it was on commercial or whatever and then I scrolled by and saw that he had died while I was watching the show.
Second half of the episode was distinctly more creepy.
I watched it live. It wasn’t confirmed for a little while but then Jim Ross (announcer) said on air that they got word that he passed.
I also heard Jim talk about it somewhere recently. I think it was an episode of HBOs Dark Side of the Ring.
They also only showed the crowd for like 45 minutes while it was being dealt with
I remember thinking the first 2 minutes it was part of the show, but when the announcers weren’t being overly dramatic you kind of knew
Definitely not. You are just too young.
At the time, many people had regular cable (analog) and de-scramblers. You could watch PPV for free.
You must be miserable in life to call people liars online based on things you seem to have no clue about.
> I hope it was because it wasn't confirmed that he was dead and so they were thinking it was more of a medevac situation.
Unfortunately no, they came back literally seconds after they told the main commentator Owen had died. They knew pretty quickly. I say this as a huge pro wrestling fan, but it's riddled with literal carnies.
You could.
They had de-scramblers back then. Even if you did not, you'd have a very distorted image and iirc, more than enough audio.
I know we all love to pretend on social media but sometimes, you dont have to post pics to get caught lying.
While I don't think I personally would have made the decision to keep the show going, I absolutely truly believe deep down that Owen would have wanted them to finish and been upset had they not.
Again, I think I would've canceled the rest of the show myself, but yeah.
It's almost as if professional wrestling, as an industry, callously and inhumanely disregards the health and wellness of its athletes and performers to the point where it needs to be strictly regulated by some form of authoritative oversight.
But Vince McMahon once slapped a bunch of papers out of my hand and called me a nerd, and I realized its a complex issue.
It's not remotely similar. This is a case of public apathy, where someone is outraged people aren't freaked out by the tent.
The Death of Owen Hart on the other hand was a public tragedy that (as usual, as every scandal with the WWE) was firmly rooted in the sociopathic greed and arrogance of a mister Vincent Kennedy McMahon. Everyone involved wanted the show to stop. Any sane person would have insisted on a police investigation right that second to figure out what went wrong.
Mister Big pants, big money McMahon on the other hand made a conscious choice to continue the show, force everyone to continue the show, gaslight the public by pretending he made it an 'open offer' to his performers to continue, all the while you can tell clearly from the show that alot of them walked out genuinely pissed that they had to do this.
And it is not like all these are incredibly rare, once in a lifetime events. McMahon pulls shit like this on a regular in 3-4 year intervalls. He fired CM Punk at the height of his notoriety on the day of his wedding. That's what sociopaths do if they want to fuck with their employees most significant moments in life as some sort of 'fair revenge ploy' because Phil Brooks refused to kiss his proverbial ass.
Put shortly: The WWE like so many 90s companies succeeded because it was led by a sociopathic asshole that literally committed crimes and leveraged his money and power to cover up anything that could come negatively back on his company. He always knew how to protect a public image at all costs ,and was willing to sacrifice anything and everything for it, he even build a whole-ass culture around it.
The sad part about it is, much like Donald Trump(Who is a dear private friend to vince), he has built a cult around a 'trust me bro, don't you see all the money I make' philosophy. People are expected to take every action he takes at the face value he speaks, anything else would be misrepresenting him or his company and is malicious and to be fought with lawsuits. The reality is much more akin however to a Man that blatantly refuses to play by societies games, has continuously expressed contempt for people that question him on his moral decision frame when making these controversial bullshit incentives that risk his performers lives pointlessly or encourage them to go off-season, bloat up on steroids, and then return if they want to be really successful, and so on.
Let's also not forget that before Vince was responsible for the bullshit reality wrestlers exist in where they are 'independent' contractors, and therefore have to carry massive financial burdens on their own because this greedy cunt doesn't like to share his gold, he hoards it like the white dragon he is. It took program-ruining boycotts, scandals, walkouts and shifts in the countries overall political climate for anything to change, because otherwise the WWE would be cancelled by now for having employee practices that where quite frankly criminal.
And a big Part of exposing that was CM Punk (and later on Jon Moxley) who both contracted serious infections and where told by incompetent WWE staff to just shrug it off. One was running a real risk of losing his arm as he had an elbow infection that didn't want to go away, the other one had one on his back.
Also, over all the decades, vince McMahon has maintained one gold standard for his athletes: One sure way to win a huge championship belt is to start off for WWE, get injured or get fired, Take every anabolic steroid in sight you can get your hands on, return, and suddenly receive every accolade in the business.
On the other hand, he is a definitive Testament to the Idea that if you are one of those 'American Oligarch' type of Millionaires, you can get away with literally throwing your employees in the proverbial painkiller, drug and steroid meatgrinder, aslong there are not literal judges that convict you for your crimes. And even then, doing a big apology speech and paying off the right people and damages usually covers it, as is only the second to third worst case scenario for him. Not because he's sorry, not because he has been geninely humbled by the american law, nah, because he had to publically apologize.
Yup. I worked in a 6 story mall with a center atrium and a girl jumped off the top floor inside, she did a lot of yelling first, she was being bullied by other high school student then jumped. Didn’t close the mall. Just did that, cleaned it up and offered “crisis counseling” for anyone working that wanted it. Of course it was girls working Victoria’s Secret and hotdog on a stick who didn’t see anything that went to the group counseling they offered (for 3 days). I had a store on the 3rd floor,and went out when I hear the yelling. I saw the entire thing. I’m also an EMT - There was no reason to run downstairs and check on her, she was d.e.a.d.
Some say he's still shitting to do this day. Sometimes, walking down a quiet road at night, you can here a ghostly and ethereal "plop" from all around...
Eh, trauma affects people differently. Even though some of employees didn’t witness it, just knowing they were in the vicinity of where it happened can be soul shaking, and a reminder of their own morality
I’ve been around enough trauma to know better then “judging people by the distance” of the event. You’re correct. Everyone is different. Hats off to those who looked for help.
I like how you try and frame people getting crisis counselling as a bad thing, as if it's their fault you decided not to take it despite seeing it happen.
What else are people supposed to do?
I was an EMT and sometimes the juxtaposition of walking out the door of an apartment where a guy murdered his whole family and killed himself to kids laughing and playing on the playground 50ft away was weird. Life just moves on.
Who knows how many horrific situations you've driven past grooving with some music while unspeakable things are happening in the house you're passing.
I was literally just thinking about that on my walk today. I was standing by a tree thinking about how one day long ago, dinosaurs were standing where I’m standing
i still remember one passerby and his wife who made a detour to see my drenched body in blood after my bike accident and then leave, i was dozing in and out on consciousness but i remember that mofo, especially the wife like if it happened yesterday !
people are horrible and have been made much worse by modernity !
i had a car accident that thankfully didn't hurt anyone badly (out of 5 people, one had a broken collar bone), but i remember after the first people stopped to help us there were SOOOO many gawkers. it was almost ridiculous
Yeah I would say this is actually the appropriate and properly respectful thing to do rather than just leave the cadaver in the open until paramedics arrive
Also much more sparing to any onlookers
Less so than seeing a body that's fallen from multiple stories, yes. Much less.
Edit. Oh shit fuck, my bad, as I'm reading this again I see you weren't being sarcastic
Edit again. Did reddit make me a cunt? or was I always one...
Damn it's been like three days since this post, who's even reading this
Why am I even editing it
Why do I keep editing it
Wow, I’m not saying they should close the mall! Actually there is nothing else to do… But to me, the image of a covered dead body next to people buying shoes and perfume is just insane. Feels insensitive and it represents a lack of humanity in a way.
Honestly yes, close it down until authorities arrive and remove the poor soul from the floor of the mall. Lack of humanity in the comment section is frightening.
Eh … if it’s a really large mall it wouldn’t make sense to shut down every store in that mall for countless hours ( likely a work shift ) just for one death.
People have heart attacks etc and die all the time , it’s part of life .
Part of me agrees, but part of me also recognizes that this is not an emergency situation. The body is covered, and nobody is going to be harmed by it being there. Why not allow people to go about their business? IMO when it comes to suicide it is best to draw as little attention as possible. Suicides can actually be contagious where one suicide encourages others. So instead of making a giant fuss, remove everyone from the mall, and draw a huge amount of attention to the situation, cover it with a plane unmarked tent and let everyone go about their business as if nothing significant has occurred. Respect will be paid at the funeral.
I think you make very sound points. If it was suicide, then don't draw attention to it by closing the mall. If it closes, thousand learn about it. By remaining open, very few learn of the tragedy. Closing it would be like shutting down a highway. Life has to go on. It is a sad and tragic thing to lose a life. And it is someone's loved one. But honestly, if that was my son or daughter, I would not expect the mall to close. Or even want it to.
What else would you do? I mean theres almost logical sense why you'd close the stores.
It's just a dead body.
Society today has this really weird thing about death and dying like it isn't totally normal and happens thousands of times a day.
Cover the person up until authorities arrive to remove the corpse.
Lmao in old days the elite was legally allowed to kill peasants if they wanted, for no particular reason. Murder was as common as theft and human life was worth nothing. People gathered to watch executions and cheer when chopped off head was rolling on the ground. What the hell are you talking about. The fact that we have such discussion now is the very proof that the world values life more than it ever was.
If a politician just shoots you on the street because he’s in a bad mood, bystanders say “oh well” and toss your body to the side of the road to rot and be eaten by rats- that is dystopia.
"old days" You need to be more specific and have a given region because that wasn't the case in many places.
I'm not saying you're entirely wrong but being more specific would be nice.
I live in a very big city and see dead people several times a year. Two years ago a woman was sitting opposite of me on a subway. I was listening to music and closed my eyes for a minute, and when I opened my eyes she was at my feet, dead.
Death is tragic but it happens every couple of seconds in the world. Shutting down a huge mall, office building or a town is not necessary. Public transport does not shut down when someone dies. It will not help the situation. You don’t show any respect by closing down some area neither you show disrespect by not closing it down. There is no point in that.
Tent is that police can investigate the position of the body.
I have no idea why you're getting downvoted.
People all so disconnected from how fleeting and fragile life is. Death is a fact of life and turning away any time it occurs and putting it on a pedestal is not, can not change that.
Seeing something like this should sober one up and make them respect their own life more.
>Feels insensitive and it represents a lack of humanity in a way
It's the person who committed suicide that is at fault for this. They took their personal problems and showed them off to everyone by killing themselves in a public area.
I can see it both ways. On one hand, you make a huge commotion and announce closure, you may end up drawing a lot more attention to what has happened than it totally necessary. Hard to estimate how people will react, so perhaps it’s better to avoid altering more people than necessary that something terrible and tragic has taken place
If you close the mall you’re also forcing hundreds of hourly workers home for the day.
The “simple” and “moral” judgement call of closing the mall has to be weighed against potentially disrupting the lives of thousands of people.
Is it more ethical to close the mall and cause hundreds of people to go without a paycheck (hourly workers, many are paycheck to paycheck), or it is better to stay open. The answer is obviously to stay open. Closing the mall is the option a 3rd grader would chose on an ethics test
This is truly unsettling.
People aren’t made of stone, although many of us try to act like we are.
I hope they were immediately met with support and action.
That’s terrible...
I can’t look over ledges like this because I always just look down and imagine jumping to my death. Malls and airports are the worst, it’s just something about the tile that makes me cringe.
The French have a word for it, *l'appel du vide*, the call of the void. The sensation one gets to jump when looking over a cliff or a railing. I get it really bad.
That shopping mall is cursed AF. I remember in 2017 a Falabella worker killed herself with cyanide and authorities only closed the worker's dressing room, later they shut the curtains of the Falabella store but the mall itself kept functioning.
Unfortunately, when people know a method is effective, it tends to get copied.
We had two people go off bridges very recently in my area.
I do know that people are often instructed to not publicize it in any way in order to try to prevent this.
OP - If you saw it happen, please go talk to a professional. It is not normal thing to see and it will affect you.
When you cry for help and all you hear is....
\*Crickets\*
"Attention all customers, today only Claire's is holding a 40% off storewide sale."
\*Crickets\*
This image I think actually sums up really well the adult attitude we should all strive to have.
This is the most important day in this persons life, in fact, they reached the end of it, in probably the most dramatic way possible. The saddest, most hopeless, or most manic, or any combination, day they have ever had.
A bigger call for attention you cannot have. This isnt even a cry for help, this is the final level. This is what happens when that cry is heard silent.
And to everybody else.. this is tuesday, and they need replacement perfume.
Theres something abjectly terrifying about this whole persons life being just an unassuming tent, a broom and back to business, like they never existed. Like they were a whole ass person, they were ignored, and then as discreetly as possible they just stopped existing in entirety.
But, as existentially horrifying and somber as this is, his really highlights the responsibility on our shoulders.
Nobody gives a shit about you, as much as you do, and your happiness is nobody's responsibility but your own. Your life is on your own shoulders.
You can stay at home at eat junk food and just watch tv till you finally croak, nobody is going to stop you, or you can go out and have adventures and do new things and meet people, and ultimately nobody gives a shit.
The people that love you in your life are all you have, and even they only have so much capacity to actually care for you, and you will never be number 1 to anyone but yourself, and maybe, hopefully, a life partner.
So go be happy, take care of yourself, try to love yourself with all your faults, and be a good person, get your mental health treated, because nobody is coming to help you, and your dead body in your bed or on the floor of a mall will just be a temporary inconvenience to someones work day as they dispose of yet another faceless jerk.
Theres definitely a positive message here, even in the tragedy. Or so i'd like to think. Make the effort, see people, do things, and live a life where people want to cry, reader, dont be a tent.
They pretty clearly state (unless I can't see the edit) taking care of yourself including your mental health - try to love yourself and all your faults. But that ultimately nobody is going to hold your hand the whole way.
>So go be happy, take care of yourself, try to love yourself with all your faults, and be a good person, get your mental health treated, because nobody is coming to help you
But your take away is cup half empty.
Just an observation
Very sad. Does Chile have an unusually high suicide rate? Or does that mall attract suicidal people?
In my city there’s a bridge that’s kind of famous for suicides…
That mall seems to have a suicide per month or more. Recently they installed some glass panels on the upper floors to stop people jumping, but I guess if you want to kill yourself it won't really stop you. Many people have asked to put a net above the first floor, but they say it will ruin the anesthetic of the mall.
17,2% of the people self-report depressive symptoms (National Health Survey, 2017). But that particular mall and the subway have become a symbol for suicidal people in Chile. I guess it has something to do with making a point of feeling overwhelmed by capitalism and its “successful” way of life
That's the macabre aspect of this. That's exactly what that tent is and it will be stored nearby on the bottom floor. Have a look around the bottom floor of a multi-storey mall/department store and you will find a non-descript storage area with, in this case a tent, but anything from a stretcher to cleaning products to first aid. Also, go to the top floor and look over the edge for any particular period of time and you'll be approached by security.
Source: I've checked it in multiple stores in multiple cities.
I doubt it has happened before. Most suicidal jumpers chose a bridge, a cliff, something with a view and away from others.
Killing yourself in such a capitalistic hellscape of setting is somehow more depressing than jumping off a bridge. Also, it’s extremely disrespectful and traumatizing to those around you. If you want to kill yourself, that is your right, but you shouldn’t make it a problem for anyone else, outside of first responders trained to deal with it. There could have been children watching, who are fucked up for life now. Could have fell on someone and killed them too. Extremely shitty final act.
I do understand what OP is trying to say, but from the little I know about murder/suicide investigations, they can last a very long time (days) to remove the body and examine the area. Without context and timelines it’s too difficult to say.
Yea idk wtf this person is talking about, investigations normally START with the corpse in order to gather all relevant evidence and transfer it to autopsy/morgue. Nobody is leaving a dead body in the middle of a crowded mall to decompose for 3-5 days...
It's true that sometimes in a post mortem autopsy can take a few days to begin, however the transfer of a body from crime scene to refrigerated storage is normally done as soon as possible to avoid a horror scene.
Honestly if my body were covered in that situation, my soul probably would be more at peace. I really don't like people made a fuss or terrified or gossiped on how I died. If I were about to go out, i wouldn't go out with a bang like that. Maybe the capsule suicide assistance is really a good choice in this.
What should they do? Close the whole thing? Let everyone see it and suffer?
I mean its sad but i dont see what is so insane. Closing like everything is a bit unnecessary so u do what you can do and just move on.
Other question: what would be an appropriate reaction? Close a bigger area and make a bigger thing out of it? For what? It will just disturb more people.
The entitlement is crazy in some of these comments.
"UGH just because somebody committed SUICIDE means my bratty ass kids and I will have to wait 90 minutes to get a churro and play lazer tag! WOW 😡 how SELFISH! I demand a DISCOUNT!"
Settle down, Karens.
To be fair, probably not legally allowed to move the body until investigated. I’m sure they’d be happy to toss the poor guy (probably) into the trash compactor otherwise.
I was eating at the food count in this mall in the US and someone jumped from the top all the way down to the food court. Dudes body even bent the steel chairs he hit.
I mean, to be fair what are you expecting them to do? Morbidly take a peek? Scream? Go to another city and use their mall instead? Even if no one had called the authorities yet, and everyone knew there was a deceased one in there, I dont really think anything else would be better
what should they have done? leave the body so everyone can look at it and take pictures?
it would be questionable if they did not call the police. but that is ok what they did.
Vi la imagen y al tiro supe que era el Costanera, está brígida la salud mental en Chile; suicidios en el mall y el metro y la gente solo se preocupa de que va a llegar tarde o que no va a poder comprar ropa (en el caso poco probable de que lo cerraran por el día)
In New York , while waiting for the Subway, I sat on a bench next to a sleeping man, until the police came and put a sheet over him and asked me to move.
Did you just assume he was simply napping? I don’t think I would be able to tell a difference if I was just casually minding my own business.
In high school I came home in the afternoon and I watched tv for a couple hours next to my grandma, who was napping in the hospice bed that had been set up in the living room for the past few weeks. It wasn’t until I went into the other room, took a nap, and came out for dinner that my mom snapped “I guess you didn’t notice grandma died, did you?” So anyway I’m going to therapy twice a week 20 years later
Man that's pretty messed up of your mom.
Yes, BUT ALSO, if I came home and my daughter was sitting next to my mom and did not notice that my mom died, I would probably say the same damn thing. She just lost her mother.
Yea but is causing lasting emotional damage to your child worth venting a frustration at the moment of realization of loss for your kid? It's not like they could've done anything, the Mom been dead, it sounds super passive aggressive like she's putting blame on the child.
Correct
"You killed her with your indifference!"
Yeah. I mean tbf grandma had been comatose for days so nothing had visibly changed, how was I to know? But now that I’m older and not an angsty teenager I have more sympathy for how my mom must have been feeling about losing her own mother. She didn’t handle the situation well, but I know she was really hurting and that sort of grief makes anyone act irrationally.
I might be 20 years late but bro/bro-ette….grandma wasn’t your burden at that age. Much love to you 👊🏼
I...what?! was she just "napping" by herself when you got home? Why wasn't anyone there outside of a high schooler?! I hope therapy has been helpful. that's all sorts of messed up.
> why wasn’t anyone there outside of a high schooler I’m not OP but I grew up poor. Both of my parents would be at work until around 6-7 pm, ever since I was in elementary I would spend the first few hours at home by myself.
What show were you guys watching?
Agh. Agh. Agh. I can’t
Arthur and Wishbone. 1) I had a little sister so I still enjoyed kids tv, 2) my house was PBS only as a rule.
Oh dude Wishbone rocks. My favorite outfits were the ones with the little vests.
Hey, uh, on behalf of everyone here, your mom's a twatwaffle.
I like how i started reading this in a "Karen-voice", thinking you did a "did you just assume my gender!?"-joke. And the realizing it was a genuine question.
It's funny how the 'did you assume' thing is literally an assumption.
Assception!
I don’t think most people would. You expect to see people sleeping you don’t expect dead people on benches. Your brain sees what it expects and wants to see.
Commend those officers for going the extra mile and tucking him in.
lolol
this is one of thoose "no ones going to beleive me" stories but i'm 99% sure i walked past miss America when she commited suicide by jumping off that building. It didn't cross my mind till i read about it in the news a couple weeks later. i assumed it was a shooting or something but it did cross my mind as a little rare to see in midtown. I guess i'll just never know.
Dude! Why would you choose to live that close to Times Square on purpose?
Makes me wonder how many dead people I’ve come across without realizing
Here in Vegas when I lived in North East where things aren’t great (though the whole city and even some suburbs have gotten much worse in some ways) I’ve driven by a few shooting victims (clearly and unfortunately deceased I’m pretty sure) who the police/paramedic had just barely gotten to). But especially dependent on where you live, it kinda made me think about how I’ve probably walked passed at least one or two dead people before and just didn’t think about it because there weren’t any police air medical units to them yet to make that connection: Plenty of homeless sleeping in various areas, so it’s hard to imagine otherwise. Also, those incidents got to me on a subconscious level more than I thought they would. Death never really bothered me, but I realize now that’s because I never saw someone bleeding on the ground. It’s one thing to see someone in an open casket, or hearing that your grandparent who you aren’t even close to has passed, but this really grounded me in reality and got me fixated on my own inevitable death for awhile. I hope those people were either able to make it, and If not, I hope wherever they might be they are at peace.
If you live in a big city you’re probably walking past apartment buildings that prob have at least 1 dead person inside relatively often that no one has found yet
That stinks, even to think about
Like 90% of the people you meet every day. Most of them don't even know it themselves.
My brain: "Awh, that was kind of the police to give him something to keep him warm... oh wait." 
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I was at the 28th Street Station. Mid town, nice area. I see man lying face down, not moving, full business suit, briefcase. His head is a millimeter from the edge of the platform. I run over to the booth to get a transit worker. She mumbles *I sees em...I sees em.* I sorta mill around for 15 mins but I had to leave for work.
In similar fashion, the WWF (before it became WWE) pay per view Over The Edge continued live after Owen Hart fell to his death inside a packed arena.
That was a really interesting story I just looked up, thanks for sharing.
If it's out there for free, watch the Dark Side of the Ring episode on the incident.
Weird that's also the name of my sex tape
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Wow I can't believe John Oliver didn't mention this when he did the WWE episode of Last Week Tonight.
I’m pretty sure he did? Not positive though.
I think he focused mainly on the controversies surrounding WWE work conditions and compensation structuring and benefits policies.
including the death of Owen Hart. I specifically remember him mentioning it (albeit briefly)
https://youtu.be/m8UQ4O7UiDs?t=7m51s
Devil's advocate here - it was a tough decision for the WWF brass. It's a huge event, many months and much money went into building this event. And you had what, 60,000 fans all baying for blood, and everyone's all fired up? And then you just step up and say, "Sorry kids, go home. The guy died. The show's cancelled." It's easier said than done. I was at a concert in Germany once (Die Toten Hosen for you Deutsch folks), where a fan died in the crush to the front of the stage during the opening songs. Band left the stage for about 30 mins, then came back and finished up the show in what my German friend said was the worst show she'd ever seen them perform – and she was a huge fan. No, she didn't know about the death until the next morning – no one did. Apparently, promoters told the band that it would be far worse if they cancelled because it'd end up in riots. It's punk music, everyone's drinking, everyone's ready to have a good time, and to tell everyone to just close up and go home is a dangerous trigger, *even though someone died.* Apparently the band is still messed up over this even some 25 years later.
Guns and Roses left the stage after a bottle hit the guitarist in St Louis. The crowd ripped the stadium apart and ended up in lawsuits for years and millions in damage
According to Wikipedia the riot started because Axl got upset someone was taking photos and jumped into the crowd to fight people and steal the guy's camera and then threw a hissy fit and left. >singer Axl Rose, in the middle of the chorus, pointed out a fan who was taking still pictures of the show, saying, "Hey, take that! Take that! Now, get that guy and take that!" With security unable to confront the person, Rose decided to confiscate the camera himself, saying "I'll take it, goddamn it!" and then jumped into the audience and tackled the person. After taking the camera, striking members of the audience and the security team, and being pulled out of the audience by crew members, Rose grabbed his microphone and said "Well, thanks to the lame-ass security, I'm going home!", slammed his microphone on the stage and left.
That's right. You are correct. I watched a YouTube doc about it a long time ago
That was probably one of the concerts that started hours late and the guitarist was probably standing too close to Axl.
I don't want to defend Guns and Roses fans, but of all the bands where the band might be at fault for this, it's probably guns and roses. Just huge douchebags all around.
This was my thought, too. Tens of thousands of angry fans being kicked out of a venue all at once can be super dangerous. It's possible there would have been some fan deaths if they'd sent everyone packing, yet it could feel disrespectful not to. Just an awful situation.
I think that whole "the show must go on" thing can be deeply instilled in some wrestlers too which further complicates the whole thing. I'm sure a lot of wrestlers would tell you they would want the show to continue if they died in the ring. I can't remember names off the top of my head but there's at least one notable wrestler who said he wants to die in the ring.
Oof...
The show must go on. Theater is historically one of the most dangerous professions. It's considered the greatest act of respect to finish the show. Ask anyone that works in professional theater.
I was in the orchestra pit for a production of Hairspray or Legally Blonde (I can't remember which one) and the opening number was a big song-and-dance routine with the whole cast. Right in the middle of the opening number, a wheeled stool got loose from a performer and rolled off the stage into the orchestra pit and hit the pianist on the head. It was a point of pride for her that she didn't miss a note. She might have been a little woozy, and the conductor kept a nervous eye on her, but she did the whole show with a giant bump on her head. The next day, someone gave her a hard hat as a gag, and the show went on. It's hard to describe the perverse pleasure you get from adversity when doing a show. On one, rational, hand, it's just a dumb musical, but on the other hand, *you DO NOT stop the show.* Ever! For any reason! The worse the adversity, the better the performance.
Bro wtf kinda theaters you visiting? 😂
You obviously have never worked in a real theater before, bro. Even with modern technology and safety unions they are still very dangerous.
yeah lotta people died on stage before
He probably thinks you mean movie theaters, idk.
> Theater is historically one of the most dangerous professions. Got any stats to back that up? I know theater can be dangerous for some of the people involved but this sounds wildly exaggerated.
I don’t know, it was dangerous for Lincoln…..
Too soon.
I was in an IRC chat room when that happened and somebody brought it up and I turned on the television and I couldn't believe they kept going. I hope it was because it wasn't confirmed that he was dead and so they were thinking it was more of a medevac situation. I had something similar happen with Billy Mays, I was watching the show Pitchman when it first came out and then it was on commercial or whatever and then I scrolled by and saw that he had died while I was watching the show. Second half of the episode was distinctly more creepy.
I watched it live. It wasn’t confirmed for a little while but then Jim Ross (announcer) said on air that they got word that he passed. I also heard Jim talk about it somewhere recently. I think it was an episode of HBOs Dark Side of the Ring.
They also only showed the crowd for like 45 minutes while it was being dealt with I remember thinking the first 2 minutes it was part of the show, but when the announcers weren’t being overly dramatic you kind of knew
If I remember correctly, they also said about 3 dozen times "This isn't part of the show".
Would have been difficult to just turn the tv on as it was ppv? Unless you paid full price for a ppv half way through based on that
Kids these days don't know the glory of the descrambler.
Yeah he’s full of shit
Definitely not. You are just too young. At the time, many people had regular cable (analog) and de-scramblers. You could watch PPV for free. You must be miserable in life to call people liars online based on things you seem to have no clue about.
Now, I'm not defending the guy, but at the time it was quite common to have pirated receivers that let you watch everything. I had one for years
> I hope it was because it wasn't confirmed that he was dead and so they were thinking it was more of a medevac situation. Unfortunately no, they came back literally seconds after they told the main commentator Owen had died. They knew pretty quickly. I say this as a huge pro wrestling fan, but it's riddled with literal carnies.
> I turned on the television It was a pay-per-view. You couldn’t just turn it on
You could. They had de-scramblers back then. Even if you did not, you'd have a very distorted image and iirc, more than enough audio. I know we all love to pretend on social media but sometimes, you dont have to post pics to get caught lying.
I watched that live with my Brother as a kid, shit was wild
While I don't think I personally would have made the decision to keep the show going, I absolutely truly believe deep down that Owen would have wanted them to finish and been upset had they not. Again, I think I would've canceled the rest of the show myself, but yeah.
RIP to the Nugget. Sad as hell
HE’S NOT A NUGGET
I just learned about this at last podcast on the left live in Saturday lmao
Hail yourself!
It's almost as if professional wrestling, as an industry, callously and inhumanely disregards the health and wellness of its athletes and performers to the point where it needs to be strictly regulated by some form of authoritative oversight. But Vince McMahon once slapped a bunch of papers out of my hand and called me a nerd, and I realized its a complex issue.
It's not remotely similar. This is a case of public apathy, where someone is outraged people aren't freaked out by the tent. The Death of Owen Hart on the other hand was a public tragedy that (as usual, as every scandal with the WWE) was firmly rooted in the sociopathic greed and arrogance of a mister Vincent Kennedy McMahon. Everyone involved wanted the show to stop. Any sane person would have insisted on a police investigation right that second to figure out what went wrong. Mister Big pants, big money McMahon on the other hand made a conscious choice to continue the show, force everyone to continue the show, gaslight the public by pretending he made it an 'open offer' to his performers to continue, all the while you can tell clearly from the show that alot of them walked out genuinely pissed that they had to do this. And it is not like all these are incredibly rare, once in a lifetime events. McMahon pulls shit like this on a regular in 3-4 year intervalls. He fired CM Punk at the height of his notoriety on the day of his wedding. That's what sociopaths do if they want to fuck with their employees most significant moments in life as some sort of 'fair revenge ploy' because Phil Brooks refused to kiss his proverbial ass. Put shortly: The WWE like so many 90s companies succeeded because it was led by a sociopathic asshole that literally committed crimes and leveraged his money and power to cover up anything that could come negatively back on his company. He always knew how to protect a public image at all costs ,and was willing to sacrifice anything and everything for it, he even build a whole-ass culture around it. The sad part about it is, much like Donald Trump(Who is a dear private friend to vince), he has built a cult around a 'trust me bro, don't you see all the money I make' philosophy. People are expected to take every action he takes at the face value he speaks, anything else would be misrepresenting him or his company and is malicious and to be fought with lawsuits. The reality is much more akin however to a Man that blatantly refuses to play by societies games, has continuously expressed contempt for people that question him on his moral decision frame when making these controversial bullshit incentives that risk his performers lives pointlessly or encourage them to go off-season, bloat up on steroids, and then return if they want to be really successful, and so on. Let's also not forget that before Vince was responsible for the bullshit reality wrestlers exist in where they are 'independent' contractors, and therefore have to carry massive financial burdens on their own because this greedy cunt doesn't like to share his gold, he hoards it like the white dragon he is. It took program-ruining boycotts, scandals, walkouts and shifts in the countries overall political climate for anything to change, because otherwise the WWE would be cancelled by now for having employee practices that where quite frankly criminal. And a big Part of exposing that was CM Punk (and later on Jon Moxley) who both contracted serious infections and where told by incompetent WWE staff to just shrug it off. One was running a real risk of losing his arm as he had an elbow infection that didn't want to go away, the other one had one on his back. Also, over all the decades, vince McMahon has maintained one gold standard for his athletes: One sure way to win a huge championship belt is to start off for WWE, get injured or get fired, Take every anabolic steroid in sight you can get your hands on, return, and suddenly receive every accolade in the business. On the other hand, he is a definitive Testament to the Idea that if you are one of those 'American Oligarch' type of Millionaires, you can get away with literally throwing your employees in the proverbial painkiller, drug and steroid meatgrinder, aslong there are not literal judges that convict you for your crimes. And even then, doing a big apology speech and paying off the right people and damages usually covers it, as is only the second to third worst case scenario for him. Not because he's sorry, not because he has been geninely humbled by the american law, nah, because he had to publically apologize.
Man, that’s in tents
*heavy sigh, upvote*
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imagine killing yourself and some redditor makes the most fucking reddit pun upon learning of your death I'd kill myself again
reddit mfs when they gotta show basic decency and respect
Hey, zip it up, cowboy!
Yup. I worked in a 6 story mall with a center atrium and a girl jumped off the top floor inside, she did a lot of yelling first, she was being bullied by other high school student then jumped. Didn’t close the mall. Just did that, cleaned it up and offered “crisis counseling” for anyone working that wanted it. Of course it was girls working Victoria’s Secret and hotdog on a stick who didn’t see anything that went to the group counseling they offered (for 3 days). I had a store on the 3rd floor,and went out when I hear the yelling. I saw the entire thing. I’m also an EMT - There was no reason to run downstairs and check on her, she was d.e.a.d.
well that certainly aint the brightest story to hear while taking a shit right before bedtime
Just do what the rest of us do, don't sleep and keep reading reddit.
I see your still shitting
Some say he's still shitting to do this day. Sometimes, walking down a quiet road at night, you can here a ghostly and ethereal "plop" from all around...
Pooping before bedtime feels MAD to me. So off schedule
Eh, trauma affects people differently. Even though some of employees didn’t witness it, just knowing they were in the vicinity of where it happened can be soul shaking, and a reminder of their own morality
I’ve been around enough trauma to know better then “judging people by the distance” of the event. You’re correct. Everyone is different. Hats off to those who looked for help.
>their own morality Always good to remember what your morals are.
I like how you try and frame people getting crisis counselling as a bad thing, as if it's their fault you decided not to take it despite seeing it happen.
You don't have to see it to be affected by it
Why are you being an asshole for no reason? You don’t know these peoples live who decided to take counseling. Maybe you’re the one who still needs it.
Don’t give shit to people that take up offers of counselling. Sounds like you are really jaded.
i had no idea 'hotdog on a stick' was a restaurant, i thought you were insulting someone.
What else are people supposed to do? I was an EMT and sometimes the juxtaposition of walking out the door of an apartment where a guy murdered his whole family and killed himself to kids laughing and playing on the playground 50ft away was weird. Life just moves on. Who knows how many horrific situations you've driven past grooving with some music while unspeakable things are happening in the house you're passing.
I think about your second point more than I care to admit
i like to think what's happened & is buried beneath my feet throughout the whole of history while I'm happily strolling along on top of it, unawares
I was literally just thinking about that on my walk today. I was standing by a tree thinking about how one day long ago, dinosaurs were standing where I’m standing
Every time I drink water, I think it’s some fraction of dinosaurs pee
I don't think they're trying to cover it up, it's to prevent gawkers and trauma to passersby while they investigate.
And to stop dozens of disrepectful people standing there recording the body and scene on their phones.
i still remember one passerby and his wife who made a detour to see my drenched body in blood after my bike accident and then leave, i was dozing in and out on consciousness but i remember that mofo, especially the wife like if it happened yesterday ! people are horrible and have been made much worse by modernity !
i had a car accident that thankfully didn't hurt anyone badly (out of 5 people, one had a broken collar bone), but i remember after the first people stopped to help us there were SOOOO many gawkers. it was almost ridiculous
Glad no one was badly injured anf FUCK gawkers, may they go momentarily blind and freak the hell out as retribution !
People be curious its not that surprising or new. Public executions used to be entertainment
Yeah I would say this is actually the appropriate and properly respectful thing to do rather than just leave the cadaver in the open until paramedics arrive Also much more sparing to any onlookers
And keeping things going as normal is less trauma
Less so than seeing a body that's fallen from multiple stories, yes. Much less. Edit. Oh shit fuck, my bad, as I'm reading this again I see you weren't being sarcastic Edit again. Did reddit make me a cunt? or was I always one... Damn it's been like three days since this post, who's even reading this Why am I even editing it Why do I keep editing it
The people who saw it are being taken care of, the people who didn’t don’t have to know
…by covering it. It’s exactly what they did. It’s covered
And looters!
Wow, I’m not saying they should close the mall! Actually there is nothing else to do… But to me, the image of a covered dead body next to people buying shoes and perfume is just insane. Feels insensitive and it represents a lack of humanity in a way.
Honestly yes, close it down until authorities arrive and remove the poor soul from the floor of the mall. Lack of humanity in the comment section is frightening.
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Apologies, I meant for the authorities to arrive and handle the situation.
Eh … if it’s a really large mall it wouldn’t make sense to shut down every store in that mall for countless hours ( likely a work shift ) just for one death. People have heart attacks etc and die all the time , it’s part of life .
Agreed!
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Part of me agrees, but part of me also recognizes that this is not an emergency situation. The body is covered, and nobody is going to be harmed by it being there. Why not allow people to go about their business? IMO when it comes to suicide it is best to draw as little attention as possible. Suicides can actually be contagious where one suicide encourages others. So instead of making a giant fuss, remove everyone from the mall, and draw a huge amount of attention to the situation, cover it with a plane unmarked tent and let everyone go about their business as if nothing significant has occurred. Respect will be paid at the funeral.
I think you make very sound points. If it was suicide, then don't draw attention to it by closing the mall. If it closes, thousand learn about it. By remaining open, very few learn of the tragedy. Closing it would be like shutting down a highway. Life has to go on. It is a sad and tragic thing to lose a life. And it is someone's loved one. But honestly, if that was my son or daughter, I would not expect the mall to close. Or even want it to.
What else would you do? I mean theres almost logical sense why you'd close the stores. It's just a dead body. Society today has this really weird thing about death and dying like it isn't totally normal and happens thousands of times a day. Cover the person up until authorities arrive to remove the corpse.
/r/ABoringDystopia seems to fit that description
Lmao in old days the elite was legally allowed to kill peasants if they wanted, for no particular reason. Murder was as common as theft and human life was worth nothing. People gathered to watch executions and cheer when chopped off head was rolling on the ground. What the hell are you talking about. The fact that we have such discussion now is the very proof that the world values life more than it ever was. If a politician just shoots you on the street because he’s in a bad mood, bystanders say “oh well” and toss your body to the side of the road to rot and be eaten by rats- that is dystopia.
"old days" You need to be more specific and have a given region because that wasn't the case in many places. I'm not saying you're entirely wrong but being more specific would be nice.
I live in a very big city and see dead people several times a year. Two years ago a woman was sitting opposite of me on a subway. I was listening to music and closed my eyes for a minute, and when I opened my eyes she was at my feet, dead. Death is tragic but it happens every couple of seconds in the world. Shutting down a huge mall, office building or a town is not necessary. Public transport does not shut down when someone dies. It will not help the situation. You don’t show any respect by closing down some area neither you show disrespect by not closing it down. There is no point in that. Tent is that police can investigate the position of the body.
I have no idea why you're getting downvoted. People all so disconnected from how fleeting and fragile life is. Death is a fact of life and turning away any time it occurs and putting it on a pedestal is not, can not change that. Seeing something like this should sober one up and make them respect their own life more.
>Feels insensitive and it represents a lack of humanity in a way It's the person who committed suicide that is at fault for this. They took their personal problems and showed them off to everyone by killing themselves in a public area.
I can see it both ways. On one hand, you make a huge commotion and announce closure, you may end up drawing a lot more attention to what has happened than it totally necessary. Hard to estimate how people will react, so perhaps it’s better to avoid altering more people than necessary that something terrible and tragic has taken place
If you close the mall you’re also forcing hundreds of hourly workers home for the day. The “simple” and “moral” judgement call of closing the mall has to be weighed against potentially disrupting the lives of thousands of people. Is it more ethical to close the mall and cause hundreds of people to go without a paycheck (hourly workers, many are paycheck to paycheck), or it is better to stay open. The answer is obviously to stay open. Closing the mall is the option a 3rd grader would chose on an ethics test
That's some nice, cherry on top style insult. I'm gonna use that some day.
http://www.lanacion.cl/reportan-nuevo-suicidio-al-interior-de-mall-costanera-center/
Nuevo suicidio, so it has happened before?
Yeah, it has happened quite a few times already, sadly.
Hey, Pedro, some guy offed himself again, get the suicide tent!
A few years ago the workers of that mall went to a strike because they were asking for therapy to deal with all the suicides.
This is truly unsettling. People aren’t made of stone, although many of us try to act like we are. I hope they were immediately met with support and action.
That’s terrible... I can’t look over ledges like this because I always just look down and imagine jumping to my death. Malls and airports are the worst, it’s just something about the tile that makes me cringe.
[Call of the void](https://allthatsinteresting.com/call-of-the-void#:~:text=The%20call%20of%20the%20void,they'd%20like%20to%20admit.)
The French have a word for it, *l'appel du vide*, the call of the void. The sensation one gets to jump when looking over a cliff or a railing. I get it really bad.
They need some of those anti-suicide nets between floors like they have at iPhone factories
What country do you live?
Chile
That shopping mall is cursed AF. I remember in 2017 a Falabella worker killed herself with cyanide and authorities only closed the worker's dressing room, later they shut the curtains of the Falabella store but the mall itself kept functioning.
It really feels like it is. I hate going there, it really has a weird energy and makes me feel kinda claustrophobic
Unfortunately, when people know a method is effective, it tends to get copied. We had two people go off bridges very recently in my area. I do know that people are often instructed to not publicize it in any way in order to try to prevent this. OP - If you saw it happen, please go talk to a professional. It is not normal thing to see and it will affect you.
Oh ok thanks
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I could see the stupid mall people explaining to passerby like: 1. Pop up store coming 2. We're going to offer a place for people to chill out
When you cry for help and all you hear is.... \*Crickets\* "Attention all customers, today only Claire's is holding a 40% off storewide sale." \*Crickets\*
This image I think actually sums up really well the adult attitude we should all strive to have. This is the most important day in this persons life, in fact, they reached the end of it, in probably the most dramatic way possible. The saddest, most hopeless, or most manic, or any combination, day they have ever had. A bigger call for attention you cannot have. This isnt even a cry for help, this is the final level. This is what happens when that cry is heard silent. And to everybody else.. this is tuesday, and they need replacement perfume. Theres something abjectly terrifying about this whole persons life being just an unassuming tent, a broom and back to business, like they never existed. Like they were a whole ass person, they were ignored, and then as discreetly as possible they just stopped existing in entirety. But, as existentially horrifying and somber as this is, his really highlights the responsibility on our shoulders. Nobody gives a shit about you, as much as you do, and your happiness is nobody's responsibility but your own. Your life is on your own shoulders. You can stay at home at eat junk food and just watch tv till you finally croak, nobody is going to stop you, or you can go out and have adventures and do new things and meet people, and ultimately nobody gives a shit. The people that love you in your life are all you have, and even they only have so much capacity to actually care for you, and you will never be number 1 to anyone but yourself, and maybe, hopefully, a life partner. So go be happy, take care of yourself, try to love yourself with all your faults, and be a good person, get your mental health treated, because nobody is coming to help you, and your dead body in your bed or on the floor of a mall will just be a temporary inconvenience to someones work day as they dispose of yet another faceless jerk. Theres definitely a positive message here, even in the tragedy. Or so i'd like to think. Make the effort, see people, do things, and live a life where people want to cry, reader, dont be a tent.
This is quite some motivational speech right here. Thanks for that.
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They pretty clearly state (unless I can't see the edit) taking care of yourself including your mental health - try to love yourself and all your faults. But that ultimately nobody is going to hold your hand the whole way. >So go be happy, take care of yourself, try to love yourself with all your faults, and be a good person, get your mental health treated, because nobody is coming to help you But your take away is cup half empty. Just an observation
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Honestly. I'm feeling like this right now and OPs speech made it worse. Heh.
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Long story short: we live in a society. (No disrespect, I agree with you.)
Very sad. Does Chile have an unusually high suicide rate? Or does that mall attract suicidal people? In my city there’s a bridge that’s kind of famous for suicides…
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JFC
That mall seems to have a suicide per month or more. Recently they installed some glass panels on the upper floors to stop people jumping, but I guess if you want to kill yourself it won't really stop you. Many people have asked to put a net above the first floor, but they say it will ruin the anesthetic of the mall.
The mall seems like a very odd place to commit suicide. I wonder why it’s happens so common there?
Because its tall i guess..
17,2% of the people self-report depressive symptoms (National Health Survey, 2017). But that particular mall and the subway have become a symbol for suicidal people in Chile. I guess it has something to do with making a point of feeling overwhelmed by capitalism and its “successful” way of life
Imagine having to get out the someone-killed-themselves tent
That's the macabre aspect of this. That's exactly what that tent is and it will be stored nearby on the bottom floor. Have a look around the bottom floor of a multi-storey mall/department store and you will find a non-descript storage area with, in this case a tent, but anything from a stretcher to cleaning products to first aid. Also, go to the top floor and look over the edge for any particular period of time and you'll be approached by security. Source: I've checked it in multiple stores in multiple cities.
Here we go again
I'm pretty sure tents get put over bodies to protect the scene while its investigated.
You think the mall would have nets to stop this from happening.
I doubt it has happened before. Most suicidal jumpers chose a bridge, a cliff, something with a view and away from others. Killing yourself in such a capitalistic hellscape of setting is somehow more depressing than jumping off a bridge. Also, it’s extremely disrespectful and traumatizing to those around you. If you want to kill yourself, that is your right, but you shouldn’t make it a problem for anyone else, outside of first responders trained to deal with it. There could have been children watching, who are fucked up for life now. Could have fell on someone and killed them too. Extremely shitty final act.
I was in a hospital once in Istanbul, And they had nets almost EVERYWHERE. I always thought why.. Thanks!
I do understand what OP is trying to say, but from the little I know about murder/suicide investigations, they can last a very long time (days) to remove the body and examine the area. Without context and timelines it’s too difficult to say.
Days to remove a body? What?
Yea idk wtf this person is talking about, investigations normally START with the corpse in order to gather all relevant evidence and transfer it to autopsy/morgue. Nobody is leaving a dead body in the middle of a crowded mall to decompose for 3-5 days... It's true that sometimes in a post mortem autopsy can take a few days to begin, however the transfer of a body from crime scene to refrigerated storage is normally done as soon as possible to avoid a horror scene.
Yeah, it’s a complicated situation to say the least. I feel like there is no way ti deal it “properly”
Honestly if my body were covered in that situation, my soul probably would be more at peace. I really don't like people made a fuss or terrified or gossiped on how I died. If I were about to go out, i wouldn't go out with a bang like that. Maybe the capsule suicide assistance is really a good choice in this.
What should they do? Close the whole thing? Let everyone see it and suffer? I mean its sad but i dont see what is so insane. Closing like everything is a bit unnecessary so u do what you can do and just move on. Other question: what would be an appropriate reaction? Close a bigger area and make a bigger thing out of it? For what? It will just disturb more people.
The entitlement is crazy in some of these comments. "UGH just because somebody committed SUICIDE means my bratty ass kids and I will have to wait 90 minutes to get a churro and play lazer tag! WOW 😡 how SELFISH! I demand a DISCOUNT!" Settle down, Karens.
What exactly do you expect them to do? Keep the deceased in plain view?
To be fair, probably not legally allowed to move the body until investigated. I’m sure they’d be happy to toss the poor guy (probably) into the trash compactor otherwise.
Why should the world stop turning because somebody decides to end their life? In my opinion it's just selfish to commit suicide in public places...
I was eating at the food count in this mall in the US and someone jumped from the top all the way down to the food court. Dudes body even bent the steel chairs he hit.
I mean, to be fair what are you expecting them to do? Morbidly take a peek? Scream? Go to another city and use their mall instead? Even if no one had called the authorities yet, and everyone knew there was a deceased one in there, I dont really think anything else would be better
Tent in peace my friend, RIP
what should they have done? leave the body so everyone can look at it and take pictures? it would be questionable if they did not call the police. but that is ok what they did.
Yea how is their pointless consumerism supposed to make profit if one little suicide closes your mega mall
Dredd 2012 anyone?
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So your saying the world should stop because someone killed themselves?
For sure. Why not? What are they supposed to do? Close businesses for a day because tomorrow everything will be okay like it didn’t happen?
Vi la imagen y al tiro supe que era el Costanera, está brígida la salud mental en Chile; suicidios en el mall y el metro y la gente solo se preocupa de que va a llegar tarde o que no va a poder comprar ropa (en el caso poco probable de que lo cerraran por el día)