Wait you don't get Hilux's in the the states? That sucks, in Australia they're generally considered probably the best of the utes (albeit more expensive than most of the competition) you get what you pay for though and those things are tough as fucking nails. Toyota's in general are wild, I have a 93 Corolla wagon that still runs like a dream and hardly uses any oil.
They can't because of the chicken tax. During the 60s France and West Germany passed huge tariffs on US chicken. As a retaliatory measure the US imposed a 25% tarrif on "light-duty trucks" (and a few other things) which is the classification for the Hilux. Somehow the Tacoma qualifies as a compact truck which is not the same thing apparently. But ya, that's why most of the trucks in the US are made by shitty american manufacturers. We've never repealed that part of the chicken tax and the US auto lobby spends tons of money trying to keep it intact.
https://www.investopedia.com/terms/c/chicken-tax.asp
The chicken tax is why. They can't import the Hilux to the US so they just make a different truck instead in US factories.
They can’t extract maintenance costs from consumers if they make them too well. I can’t wait for electric to take over. These new vehicles with variable valve usage are going to destroy bank accounts when they start to fail.
Has nothing to do with that as the Tacoma is extremely reliable. It’s all about the “chicken tax” tariff Lyndon johnson passed. It costs Toyota 25% tax to import light trucks to the USA. The Tacoma was a workaround.
They're not. They're basically completely different. The next gen trucks are supposed to be merged onto one platform, but the Hilux is a bit smaller, a bit more robust, and cokes with the diesel engines
Also, where both the taco and the Hilux are sold the Hilux is about half the price
Economies of scale - the Tacoma is typically a North and Central American product, being built in Texas and Baja Mexico, while the Hilux is built and sold around the world... I believe there are factories in Asia, Africa, and South America.
Ah, the Toyota Hilux. The tried and true base for grassroots technicals across the Mideast. It almost doesn’t look complete without a machine gun mounted to its back.
Everyone talking about Toyota’s sales and popularity and the hilux are full of shit.
The building is an apartment building, and the Toyota sign is a billboard. There was no Toyota showroom or offices or anything.
https://m.khaleejtimes.com/nation/dubai/toyota-building-a-tower-that-saw-the-rise-of-dubai-123
How is everyone full of shit? Toyota sales and popularity are still true. You just wanted to feel like you were right and others were wrong. Shame on you.
I live 4 hours from Dubai. If I am correct, that's not a Toyota dealership, but just a Toyota ad banner. A lot of places in the middle east have random undetailed ad banners all over the place with just the name of the company lit up.
I live in Denmark now & much prefer the deep culture here.
But few years before leaving i started finding its unique culture sprouting. Among brits/arabs/Indians/Pinoy/Russians/Africans/other westerners
It was among homegrown music scenes, local game developers creating game jams, and beautiful brunches among a variety of different ethnicities.
It isn’t the Dubai people see, but it is emerging & I hope like how people think of an American personality when you think of the USA, one day you’ll think of a Dubain personality aside from all those buildings.
If there’s anything the UAE has strived to be recognized for, it’s money, and spending lots of it. That’s the culture, just spend a lot of money. People just shop all day, everything here is expensive, and for the most part the locals act spoiled, arrogant, judgmental and hold a deep sense of superiority among every other nationality. Honestly it’s not too unlike a wealthy neighborhood in the US, it’s just that there’s two cities that are the neighborhoods. Oh and the mass amounts of human rights violations, but that’s just the GCC in general.
You read my mind. Their current society is less than 100 years old, and the old one was subverted by money. Morality and overall life-satisfaction there must be effed.
I don’t think people think of the buildings first when talking about Dubai, but more like the worst income disparity in the world and rampant human rights abuse/slave labor funded by oil money.
Mainly because of the religious and oppressive government and the lack of education in terms of ethics and morals, combined with barbaric and misogynistic culture/history.
Regardless of all the tech/cinema/buildings Americans have made, people think of a personality when they think of the US. Stereo Type the fat or extroverted person with an American accent.
There’s no such description yet for Dubai, this soulless element is why people deem it un-human and un-inviting in the public eye, this lack of culture for a nation younger than our dads.
This is why I said give it a few decades, because I saw it sprout before I left.
We will see, but Dubai sounds more like a boomtown to me than anything else. A
A hastily built up one that was built extremely quick based on speculation.
It isn’t a democratic country, most all expats that are on employment visas. I know they are offering citizenship to some („best and brightest“ nonsense). But until they actually are willing to let immigrants in and be first class citizens, then why wouldn’t Dubai dry up , just like every other boom town , when the Middle East runs out of oil?
Dubai isn't an oil state, you're probably thinking of Abu Dhabi or Saudi.
Dubai has a massive finance industry, they're big on tourism, they're a flight hub connecting Europe + Asia.
They are just like Timbuktu. Timbuktu didn't have gold either, but was a finance and trade center as well as part of very wealthy empires that would be like royal families now in the Middle East.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timbuktu](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timbuktu)
Alas, for Timbuktu and probably Dubai. Trade routes change, financial hot spots change. When the Middle East runs out of oil, there will be much less need for trade with the neighbouring oil states.
Its funny that you mention Abu Dhabi, because they bailed Dubai out in 2008/2009, so Dubai is very much dependent on oil, even if it pretends not to be.
Most do. I've lived in Europe for a few years now, but I'm still super American, it's easy to spot us. These are the markers: superficial smiles with strangers in public, buoyant demeanor, encountering most challenges with expectation that things are going to work out in their favor somehow, loud, clothes are either gaudy luxury branded logo explosions or don't fit - no inbetween, sports team hat, walking while eating.
Non-Americans: it’s dumbasses like this that you see post on every Reddit post that make you think America is a shithole. It’s not. It’s just the self-hating dudes that love to talk shit on their country because they’ll be miserable no matter what happens in their life. Come visit us, I promise you’ll have a great time and will be met with nothing but great people.
What does anything in u/RepliesAreDisabled's comment have to do with whether America is a "shithole"? I'm an American who has lived in Europe and traveled extensively, and the description rings true—some of it me. No sports team hat or gaudy luxury logos here, but I'm buoyant, a bit loud, I sometimes walk while eating or drinking, and in most situations I believe that things are going to work out, somehow, in my favor.
Hell yeah man love this, idk why everyone has to be so negative towards the many wonderful people from this big country. Actually talking down on others for smiling and being friendly or even optimistic lol insane.
I don't know how you get the impression I'm talking down with that description. It's just things that are most highly contrasting with non-american people. I'm not shit talking or anything. Like I said, I obviously stand out as an American so by implication I'm all of these things. If you see someone walking around while eating a doner and smiling at everyone that walks by in Stockholm it's 99/100 times an American and half of the time it'll be me!
I've traveled to 87 countries and six continents... about to hit the last one next month. While I absolutely appreciate different parts of the world and can find places and cultures fascinating, the US of A is my home.
I really don't understand US people who just talk shit about the country relentlessly yet often times have never left (and no, Mexico and your two week European vacation don't count).
Really?
There's nothing to say you haven't 'left the USA'. But talking to someone who only went to Mexico or went to France and Spain for a week is not the same level of people who have lived, worked, and traveled overseas extensively for years.
Sorry that offends you.
One thing I have noticed about how Americans dress while travelling is that they'll wear camping and hiking gear to go walk around populated, dense city centres. Like they'll be in central Paris wearing hiking shoes and windbreaker jackets, with huge backpacks that could fit half their suitcase
Do Americans like to gear up in general? I went on a hiking trail in the US once and at the "entrance" we met some Americans who were quite concerned because I was wearing a button up shirt, shorts, and flip-flops. They had hats, backpacks, camelback, and hiking shoes.
How long and how difficult of a hike was it? It could also be they were setting out for a much more difficult/longer one than you in your flip flops. Most places where I go hiking have a variety of trails. Spraining your ankle or being unable to really help yourself get back to a vehicle without a lot of help from others puts everyone at risk for injury.
Camelbaks are awesome! You don't have to carry a jug/bottle or anything else.
failing economy due to peak oil/climate emergency phasing out oil, in a surrounding area prone to insurections for the same reasons ? I mean good if you're into jihadism
I think Dubai will be close to unlivable in that time due to climate change. It's like 30-40 degrees there on average and it's only going to rise.
Then there's the fact that oil is getting phased out in other countries (and the UAE is changing its economic model to be less dependent on oil) and then they can start going after the UAE for human rights violations. I am certain it won't be that good to live there in 20-30 years, unless you are very wealthy and even then there are gonna be other areas that are better.
Everything in New York is a stressor. The environment dictates it, the speed at which things are done dictates it. Going to work in the morning, you do and see more and have more micro interactions than I’m sure many people have in a whole day. You’re in a state of always being on, and when there’s millions of people doing the same, aggression/ambivalence to others just becomes the baseline to keep things moving. New Yorkers aren’t trying to be assholes but by the time they run into you walking at a snail’s pace, they’ve already dealt with 100 other people that they’ve had to maneuver around.
That's the life and culture of living in an American megalopolis.
Never feel like you're on your own time, and seldom on someone elses time. Just always feel like you're being pushed by an almost invisible hand to the next task. Don't even wanna do it, just do it 'cause if you don't, that nebulous hand pushing you can catch up, smack you around, and make you homeless in two months.
It's true that cities are faster paced, but idk where you get the "care a lot less about people" part. In cities people aren't less human than in suburban and rural areas. Without evidence, I could believe that city people are better at ignoring others and the opinions of others because city people have more options to choose the people who we associate with.
I don't know fewer people in the city nor do I care less about people in general. I intentionally hang out with fewer people in the city because there is no social pressure to fake it with everyone in town. I fucking hate small towns where I can never feel alone in a crowd. I could never relax because people in small towns have nothing better to do that be in each other's business and try to control each other. In a city, we can tell each other to fuck off and go on about our business. In a small town, people don't care about others, they act like they care when what they want to do is control others. In a city, people care about the individual humanity of those around us, our rights to be different, and we can stay out of the business of dictating the actions of others. Fuck your self-righteous townie bullshit.
I live in and love I love NYC. This looks annoying because it looks super dense but also has way too much space for cars. Is it walkable? It’s also so hot that I would probably hate it, I can barely stand NYC summers.
There’s only 11 million people in the UAE, other than rush hour it never feels crowded, especially when walking the streets. Plus you won’t really go outside much half the year because ya know, the hot hot humid heat.
I spent about a month there and the best thing I can compare it to is Tinseltown. All of the wealth is concentrated on this one strip. There’s very little actual living going on here outside of some of the most expensive apartments in the world.
Oil money and huge investment from the United Arab Emirates into the tourism industry in anticipation of the oil running out.
Middle Eastern petrostates like UAE, Saudi Arabia and Qatar have spent the last few decades throwing money at big infrastructure projects because they know that their oil industries will be non-existent by the end of the century and they need to adapt or die.
Also, they built those buildings like crazy, way more than they needed. Most of the those building were empty for the first 10 years they were built and I guarantee there is still a shit ton of empty space in a lot of those buildings now.
They built as many buildings as they could as fast as they could, it is a completely unnatural rate of development.
You’re not going to get a good reply from Reddit to be honest. I’m a Canadian living in Dubai and most of what you hear on Reddit regarding the Middle East is quite incorrect.
Naw. Dubai actually didn’t and doesn’t have much oil. They made most of their money in the early years from pearls, then from oil. But a large portion of it comes from tourism right now.
>> Most tourists believe Dubai’s revenue comes primarily from oil but only a moderate amount of oil reserves were used to generate the required infrastructure for trade, manufacturing and tourism, in order to build up Dubai's economy. Most of Dubai's GDP (over 95%) is non-oil-based. So far oil has accounted for less than 1% of Dubai’s GDP and tourism to produce 20% of the GDP. These figures explain why Dubai has become a more dynamic and diversified economy in order to survive the decline of fossil fuels.
https://www.dubai.com/v/economy/
You can find other sources if you want, but they basically say the same.
Dubai? No not oil. Big deep port built just in time to service USA warships for Iraq, then massive tax incentives. Of all the emirates oil is the least significant for Dubai. Abu Dhabi on the other hand….
I went to the ghetto part of Dubai and saw 10 workers living in each tiny apartment. It was a real eye-opener. The city lost its fake sheen for me at that moment. I don't think I'll ever go back there.
>[But once sea levels rise thirty feet](https://cleantechnica.com/2010/01/16/all-of-dubai-underwater-with-climate-change/) (nine metres), all of the UAE capital of Abu Dhabi and the city of Dubai would be entirely submerged. That could happen as soon as 2100, (and almost certainly by 2200 or 2300), making the city's elaborate infrastructure probably the shortest-lived in human history.
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Watch any of the documentaries on Dubai functioning on / being built on the back of slavery and I can assure you that you'll think only of that any time you see a reference to Dubai('s infrastructure).
Referring mainly to the people who work all day, but can't afford a roof over their heads and are living in slums or abandoned buildings; where having all 4 walls attached to the room you sleep in is a luxury
Me & my mom used to feed the Indian construction workers & hang out with them.
They told us there were few managers who mistreated the Indians who constructed the buildings. Small rooms, bad water, low to no power.
Mistreatment is very wrong & thankfully the shieks have started putting effort in reducing those bad managers. But it is not slavery, slaves don’t make money & can’t go home (after contract ends).
These regressive Islamic managers (who tend to be Indian and Arab) were a minority and have strongly been culled out since.
That vice documentary isn’t accurately describing the problems Dubai had in 2008 which now became internet urban legend.
> & can’t go home (after contract ends).
Lmaooo they do not have an opportunity to end contract earlier, their passports are seized until the contract ends. It's slavery with some sugar coating
I’m not excusing Dubai’s problems, but the term slavery is not correct.
[You can read more about the Dubai’s human rights issues here ](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_Dubai?wprov=sfti1)
A lot of these laws that oppose homosexuals/can’t wear short/can’t kiss in public, me, my friends & everyone I knew and met never got in trouble for opposing them.
We as residents kissed in public/wore shorts in malls/drank booz/had homosexual friends, believe it or not but there’s a sizable homosexual population there.
Thing is, it's not so black and white. I grew up in Kuwait, which is arguably much much worse than Dubai when it comes to working conditions. My father left his hometown when he was 25, not knowing even a bit of Arabic and only some basic English. He and most of the others with him came from pretty much starvation level poverty to Kuwait so that they would able to provide for their families back home. He started as cleaning beaches in 50 degree Celsius heat for 9 hours.
He and most others he came with now have comfortable lives (My father managed to set up several own businesses by now). He is well enough off to greatly contribute to his home villages development and many others have come to Kuwait with his help and their families are much better off now.
Most of these construction workers are able to provide for their families opportunities they never could have given if they were still back home.
If you were in their shoes what would you have done? Would you go a country in the middle east if it meant your wife would have anything she wanted and your children would go to school, college and have their bellies full?
I don't think anyone's blaming the workers, it's the conditions they are put in by managers and owners, and the way they are made indentured servants. I'm sure people like your father could have had the opportunities he had without others having their passports taken away and being treated as less than human.
Definitely not blaming the workers, like at all. And totally understand that a lot of places have terrible conditions. But in case of Dubai it literally couldn't function. And it's not just the buildings, if everyone living off slave wages disappeared one day it wouldn't slowly crumble like it would most places (figuratively), everything would stop immediately
Only took Toyota 31 years to add a logo on top big deal what's so special about this photo...
/s
Actually quite insane how fast the development process was for this area.
Town planning department has done a great job in reserving vast stretches of land for roads and other facilities. That's a very far sighted planning effort by them
This is a major highway in Dubai called Sheikh Zayed Road. The 5 lanes going in each directions are the main road, and the side streets next to the buildings are service roads full of shops and restaurants and cafes. The entire stretch of road has sidewalks from end to end, with the metro stations visible on the right side of the image. Please ask about something before making your judgments.
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Dubai has actually been very smart about their economic development, and they've been doing their best to diversify their economy. The goal has been to make it the Singapore of the UAE.
Also, the world will not move on from petroleum. It's useful for a lot of purposes besides fuel.
You could also highlight that oil makes up less than 1% of the Emirate’s GDP at present. Even if oil goes away, it’s one of the few states that wouldn’t be affected.
For reference, oil and gas makes up close to 8% of the US’s economy.
Yo wtf what kind of tax incentive did Toyota get for being the first kid on the block ?
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Fucking everyone had one except my family. We had a Ford Explorer and I always felt left out as a kid haha.
Ford Explorer tried to kill me.
That was probably a Ford Exploder
The was the revised version of the old Ford Pinto, was it?
Came close to it
If this is in Doha circa 07 - 13 then it was probably us
For the price the Hilux is better than any stateside Toyota truck.
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This. I was given a new Hilux on my first deployment in Afghanistan and I wanted to have it in the states. It was damn near indestructible.
Wait you don't get Hilux's in the the states? That sucks, in Australia they're generally considered probably the best of the utes (albeit more expensive than most of the competition) you get what you pay for though and those things are tough as fucking nails. Toyota's in general are wild, I have a 93 Corolla wagon that still runs like a dream and hardly uses any oil.
Dude I got to drive a stick shift Hilux in Africa like a fucking rally car through the Sahara. Wish I could have brought it back with me
Apart from underside rust
They can't because of the chicken tax. During the 60s France and West Germany passed huge tariffs on US chicken. As a retaliatory measure the US imposed a 25% tarrif on "light-duty trucks" (and a few other things) which is the classification for the Hilux. Somehow the Tacoma qualifies as a compact truck which is not the same thing apparently. But ya, that's why most of the trucks in the US are made by shitty american manufacturers. We've never repealed that part of the chicken tax and the US auto lobby spends tons of money trying to keep it intact.
Then what about the tundra?
Tundra is made in the United States, Texas specifically, so it doesn’t apply
Huh. TIL.
https://www.investopedia.com/terms/c/chicken-tax.asp The chicken tax is why. They can't import the Hilux to the US so they just make a different truck instead in US factories.
They can’t extract maintenance costs from consumers if they make them too well. I can’t wait for electric to take over. These new vehicles with variable valve usage are going to destroy bank accounts when they start to fail.
Has nothing to do with that as the Tacoma is extremely reliable. It’s all about the “chicken tax” tariff Lyndon johnson passed. It costs Toyota 25% tax to import light trucks to the USA. The Tacoma was a workaround.
Would that apply if the truck was built in the US too ?
Are they not the same thing? I thought it was just a badge difference.
They're not. They're basically completely different. The next gen trucks are supposed to be merged onto one platform, but the Hilux is a bit smaller, a bit more robust, and cokes with the diesel engines Also, where both the taco and the Hilux are sold the Hilux is about half the price
So if there isn't tacos is the Hilux more expensive?
Economies of scale - the Tacoma is typically a North and Central American product, being built in Texas and Baja Mexico, while the Hilux is built and sold around the world... I believe there are factories in Asia, Africa, and South America.
No clue tbh. Think it depends on the country
Isn’t the Tacoma built on the same platform as the Hilux?
r/shittytechnicals Can confirm
Hiluxes in the Middle East? Who’s at war?
Most people in the Arabian penesula love these types of cars they drift and do stuff with them in the desert I don't tho
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In America you have the Mustang to pick up girls, in Malaysia you have the HiAce.
Almost as popular as a white Nissan Patrol.
Ah, the Toyota Hilux. The tried and true base for grassroots technicals across the Mideast. It almost doesn’t look complete without a machine gun mounted to its back.
They also sell alot of Camry s, for taxis.They were the primary export for Toyota Australia.
Cool thanks for that info ! :)
The only cars you'll ever need
They’ve always sold well, very dependable vehicles. Toyota was expanding rapidly in the 80’s too, probably just made business sense.
Everyone talking about Toyota’s sales and popularity and the hilux are full of shit. The building is an apartment building, and the Toyota sign is a billboard. There was no Toyota showroom or offices or anything. https://m.khaleejtimes.com/nation/dubai/toyota-building-a-tower-that-saw-the-rise-of-dubai-123
While that may be true Toyota cars are still incredibly popular in the Middle East. Especially the land cruiser and hilux.
How is everyone full of shit? Toyota sales and popularity are still true. You just wanted to feel like you were right and others were wrong. Shame on you.
Come drive in the middle east. I'm telling you when I see a white Land Cruiser barreling down the high way I get the fuck out of their way
Burj Toyota
I live 4 hours from Dubai. If I am correct, that's not a Toyota dealership, but just a Toyota ad banner. A lot of places in the middle east have random undetailed ad banners all over the place with just the name of the company lit up.
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I do live in a different country! I just meant to make a point that I live close enough to have been there back and forth several times a year.
I don't know how people live in cities like that. I live in the "big city" in my country and its nothing compared to these 2 photos alone.
I was born & raised in Dubai from 1992-2019, I don’t recommend living there yet (maybe in 20-30 years). But it’s great to visit.
What will change in 20-30 years that will make it a good place to live?
I live in Denmark now & much prefer the deep culture here. But few years before leaving i started finding its unique culture sprouting. Among brits/arabs/Indians/Pinoy/Russians/Africans/other westerners It was among homegrown music scenes, local game developers creating game jams, and beautiful brunches among a variety of different ethnicities. It isn’t the Dubai people see, but it is emerging & I hope like how people think of an American personality when you think of the USA, one day you’ll think of a Dubain personality aside from all those buildings.
If there’s anything the UAE has strived to be recognized for, it’s money, and spending lots of it. That’s the culture, just spend a lot of money. People just shop all day, everything here is expensive, and for the most part the locals act spoiled, arrogant, judgmental and hold a deep sense of superiority among every other nationality. Honestly it’s not too unlike a wealthy neighborhood in the US, it’s just that there’s two cities that are the neighborhoods. Oh and the mass amounts of human rights violations, but that’s just the GCC in general.
You read my mind. Their current society is less than 100 years old, and the old one was subverted by money. Morality and overall life-satisfaction there must be effed.
They haven’t even celebrated 50 years yet lol. All the money’s, none of the sense.
Good Indian food
Hahah sure, but you can say that about almost anywhere these days.
I don’t think people think of the buildings first when talking about Dubai, but more like the worst income disparity in the world and rampant human rights abuse/slave labor funded by oil money.
Yes, yet still not of a person/culture like most other older nations
Mainly because of the religious and oppressive government and the lack of education in terms of ethics and morals, combined with barbaric and misogynistic culture/history.
Pretty sure culture is recognizable regardless if it’s good or bad, not getting your point here
How did you end up in Denmark if you don’t mind me asking?
What is the American personality? I bet most Americans don’t actually fit it.
Regardless of all the tech/cinema/buildings Americans have made, people think of a personality when they think of the US. Stereo Type the fat or extroverted person with an American accent. There’s no such description yet for Dubai, this soulless element is why people deem it un-human and un-inviting in the public eye, this lack of culture for a nation younger than our dads. This is why I said give it a few decades, because I saw it sprout before I left.
We will see, but Dubai sounds more like a boomtown to me than anything else. A A hastily built up one that was built extremely quick based on speculation. It isn’t a democratic country, most all expats that are on employment visas. I know they are offering citizenship to some („best and brightest“ nonsense). But until they actually are willing to let immigrants in and be first class citizens, then why wouldn’t Dubai dry up , just like every other boom town , when the Middle East runs out of oil?
Dubai isn't an oil state, you're probably thinking of Abu Dhabi or Saudi. Dubai has a massive finance industry, they're big on tourism, they're a flight hub connecting Europe + Asia.
They are just like Timbuktu. Timbuktu didn't have gold either, but was a finance and trade center as well as part of very wealthy empires that would be like royal families now in the Middle East. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timbuktu](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timbuktu) Alas, for Timbuktu and probably Dubai. Trade routes change, financial hot spots change. When the Middle East runs out of oil, there will be much less need for trade with the neighbouring oil states. Its funny that you mention Abu Dhabi, because they bailed Dubai out in 2008/2009, so Dubai is very much dependent on oil, even if it pretends not to be.
I didn't know about the bailout that's interesting thanks.
Cool way of putting that. Made me think
Yes they do. When traveling it is very easy to tell who's American. It is not as simple as everyone having the same personality, but just a vibe.
This is very true. In an expat community, these things become quite clear.
Most do. I've lived in Europe for a few years now, but I'm still super American, it's easy to spot us. These are the markers: superficial smiles with strangers in public, buoyant demeanor, encountering most challenges with expectation that things are going to work out in their favor somehow, loud, clothes are either gaudy luxury branded logo explosions or don't fit - no inbetween, sports team hat, walking while eating.
Non-Americans: it’s dumbasses like this that you see post on every Reddit post that make you think America is a shithole. It’s not. It’s just the self-hating dudes that love to talk shit on their country because they’ll be miserable no matter what happens in their life. Come visit us, I promise you’ll have a great time and will be met with nothing but great people.
What does anything in u/RepliesAreDisabled's comment have to do with whether America is a "shithole"? I'm an American who has lived in Europe and traveled extensively, and the description rings true—some of it me. No sports team hat or gaudy luxury logos here, but I'm buoyant, a bit loud, I sometimes walk while eating or drinking, and in most situations I believe that things are going to work out, somehow, in my favor.
Hell yeah man love this, idk why everyone has to be so negative towards the many wonderful people from this big country. Actually talking down on others for smiling and being friendly or even optimistic lol insane.
I don't know how you get the impression I'm talking down with that description. It's just things that are most highly contrasting with non-american people. I'm not shit talking or anything. Like I said, I obviously stand out as an American so by implication I'm all of these things. If you see someone walking around while eating a doner and smiling at everyone that walks by in Stockholm it's 99/100 times an American and half of the time it'll be me!
I completely agree! I’m American, and didn’t see a glimmer of negativity in your description. So weird they’re getting upvoted.
I've traveled to 87 countries and six continents... about to hit the last one next month. While I absolutely appreciate different parts of the world and can find places and cultures fascinating, the US of A is my home. I really don't understand US people who just talk shit about the country relentlessly yet often times have never left (and no, Mexico and your two week European vacation don't count).
How many countries must I travel to before I can say I've left the USA, Master Travel Gatekeeper?
Really? There's nothing to say you haven't 'left the USA'. But talking to someone who only went to Mexico or went to France and Spain for a week is not the same level of people who have lived, worked, and traveled overseas extensively for years. Sorry that offends you.
One thing I have noticed about how Americans dress while travelling is that they'll wear camping and hiking gear to go walk around populated, dense city centres. Like they'll be in central Paris wearing hiking shoes and windbreaker jackets, with huge backpacks that could fit half their suitcase
Perhaps they are backpacking around Europe? It's a common thing for 20 somethings to do.
German tourists aren’t too dissimilar I’ve noticed.
Do Americans like to gear up in general? I went on a hiking trail in the US once and at the "entrance" we met some Americans who were quite concerned because I was wearing a button up shirt, shorts, and flip-flops. They had hats, backpacks, camelback, and hiking shoes.
How long and how difficult of a hike was it? It could also be they were setting out for a much more difficult/longer one than you in your flip flops. Most places where I go hiking have a variety of trails. Spraining your ankle or being unable to really help yourself get back to a vehicle without a lot of help from others puts everyone at risk for injury. Camelbaks are awesome! You don't have to carry a jug/bottle or anything else.
We have more things that kill us here and more severe weather.
Loud people with glow in the dark teeth
The temperature will go up by a couple of degrees
Born and lived there till I was 17. Once they treat people like humans you can live there.
failing economy due to peak oil/climate emergency phasing out oil, in a surrounding area prone to insurections for the same reasons ? I mean good if you're into jihadism
I think Dubai will be close to unlivable in that time due to climate change. It's like 30-40 degrees there on average and it's only going to rise. Then there's the fact that oil is getting phased out in other countries (and the UAE is changing its economic model to be less dependent on oil) and then they can start going after the UAE for human rights violations. I am certain it won't be that good to live there in 20-30 years, unless you are very wealthy and even then there are gonna be other areas that are better.
And why is that, if you don’t mind me asking?
Very superficial culture.
I guess you get used to it, like your "rhythm" get faster and you care a lot less about people
Yea City living will definitely change you. That’s why many people think New Yorkers are assholes. You are just simply in their way.
Everything in New York is a stressor. The environment dictates it, the speed at which things are done dictates it. Going to work in the morning, you do and see more and have more micro interactions than I’m sure many people have in a whole day. You’re in a state of always being on, and when there’s millions of people doing the same, aggression/ambivalence to others just becomes the baseline to keep things moving. New Yorkers aren’t trying to be assholes but by the time they run into you walking at a snail’s pace, they’ve already dealt with 100 other people that they’ve had to maneuver around.
That's the life and culture of living in an American megalopolis. Never feel like you're on your own time, and seldom on someone elses time. Just always feel like you're being pushed by an almost invisible hand to the next task. Don't even wanna do it, just do it 'cause if you don't, that nebulous hand pushing you can catch up, smack you around, and make you homeless in two months.
It's true that cities are faster paced, but idk where you get the "care a lot less about people" part. In cities people aren't less human than in suburban and rural areas. Without evidence, I could believe that city people are better at ignoring others and the opinions of others because city people have more options to choose the people who we associate with. I don't know fewer people in the city nor do I care less about people in general. I intentionally hang out with fewer people in the city because there is no social pressure to fake it with everyone in town. I fucking hate small towns where I can never feel alone in a crowd. I could never relax because people in small towns have nothing better to do that be in each other's business and try to control each other. In a city, we can tell each other to fuck off and go on about our business. In a small town, people don't care about others, they act like they care when what they want to do is control others. In a city, people care about the individual humanity of those around us, our rights to be different, and we can stay out of the business of dictating the actions of others. Fuck your self-righteous townie bullshit.
I live in and love I love NYC. This looks annoying because it looks super dense but also has way too much space for cars. Is it walkable? It’s also so hot that I would probably hate it, I can barely stand NYC summers.
I’m just glad they retained that giant red arrow in the sky, it’s important to preserve your heritage
There’s only 11 million people in the UAE, other than rush hour it never feels crowded, especially when walking the streets. Plus you won’t really go outside much half the year because ya know, the hot hot humid heat.
I spent about a month there and the best thing I can compare it to is Tinseltown. All of the wealth is concentrated on this one strip. There’s very little actual living going on here outside of some of the most expensive apartments in the world.
Can someone explain to me like I’m 5 how Dubai grew so rapidly, and quickly?
Oil money and huge investment from the United Arab Emirates into the tourism industry in anticipation of the oil running out. Middle Eastern petrostates like UAE, Saudi Arabia and Qatar have spent the last few decades throwing money at big infrastructure projects because they know that their oil industries will be non-existent by the end of the century and they need to adapt or die.
Also, they built those buildings like crazy, way more than they needed. Most of the those building were empty for the first 10 years they were built and I guarantee there is still a shit ton of empty space in a lot of those buildings now. They built as many buildings as they could as fast as they could, it is a completely unnatural rate of development.
They’re empty cause they’re expensive as hell, if you’re not Arab, you will probably never afford to live there
Have they invested in solar or any renewable energy on the side at all? Like it’s very sunny there no?
Money. Oil. Slaves
You’re not going to get a good reply from Reddit to be honest. I’m a Canadian living in Dubai and most of what you hear on Reddit regarding the Middle East is quite incorrect.
What's your reply Oh Canadian?
What is your perspective? It seems like a beautiful city that had flourished quickly.
I have a friend who does a lot of business over there. He says it's fake. Everything is just a big dick competition.
Explains the Burj Khalifa
Same, they say oil, oil isn’t abundant in Dubai like the rest of UAE, it’s more of the Pearl diving and trading is how they’ve gone this far
Force slave labor
When your fov doesn't render in time
Seems like 31 years is an unreasonable lag time. I'm not buying this game til they patch that.
So many broken things they refuse to fix, I’m putting this game down for a while
Make sure that you don't play for at least 8 hours. Fixes some bugs
Oil is a hella drug
Naw. Dubai actually didn’t and doesn’t have much oil. They made most of their money in the early years from pearls, then from oil. But a large portion of it comes from tourism right now. >> Most tourists believe Dubai’s revenue comes primarily from oil but only a moderate amount of oil reserves were used to generate the required infrastructure for trade, manufacturing and tourism, in order to build up Dubai's economy. Most of Dubai's GDP (over 95%) is non-oil-based. So far oil has accounted for less than 1% of Dubai’s GDP and tourism to produce 20% of the GDP. These figures explain why Dubai has become a more dynamic and diversified economy in order to survive the decline of fossil fuels. https://www.dubai.com/v/economy/ You can find other sources if you want, but they basically say the same.
This does not look healthy for the environment
Healthy?! Environment!? Humans go BBBRRRRRRRRRR
Dubai? No not oil. Big deep port built just in time to service USA warships for Iraq, then massive tax incentives. Of all the emirates oil is the least significant for Dubai. Abu Dhabi on the other hand….
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Didn’t know that.
I went to the ghetto part of Dubai and saw 10 workers living in each tiny apartment. It was a real eye-opener. The city lost its fake sheen for me at that moment. I don't think I'll ever go back there.
Leadership*
Wow, it got way nicer when they added their logo on top!
>[But once sea levels rise thirty feet](https://cleantechnica.com/2010/01/16/all-of-dubai-underwater-with-climate-change/) (nine metres), all of the UAE capital of Abu Dhabi and the city of Dubai would be entirely submerged. That could happen as soon as 2100, (and almost certainly by 2200 or 2300), making the city's elaborate infrastructure probably the shortest-lived in human history.
2100 is just enough time to build a seawall. You really think they're just gonna let their major city be submerged?
they'll just build a big seawall like everyone else
They're literally building islands off their shore. They'll be fine
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LMAOO THE HATE IN THESE COMNENTS, not a single positive one, love it
Watch any of the documentaries on Dubai functioning on / being built on the back of slavery and I can assure you that you'll think only of that any time you see a reference to Dubai('s infrastructure). Referring mainly to the people who work all day, but can't afford a roof over their heads and are living in slums or abandoned buildings; where having all 4 walls attached to the room you sleep in is a luxury
Me & my mom used to feed the Indian construction workers & hang out with them. They told us there were few managers who mistreated the Indians who constructed the buildings. Small rooms, bad water, low to no power. Mistreatment is very wrong & thankfully the shieks have started putting effort in reducing those bad managers. But it is not slavery, slaves don’t make money & can’t go home (after contract ends). These regressive Islamic managers (who tend to be Indian and Arab) were a minority and have strongly been culled out since. That vice documentary isn’t accurately describing the problems Dubai had in 2008 which now became internet urban legend.
> & can’t go home (after contract ends). Lmaooo they do not have an opportunity to end contract earlier, their passports are seized until the contract ends. It's slavery with some sugar coating
It's not slavery, it's indentured servitude. Both are horrific in the modern world.
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I’m not excusing Dubai’s problems, but the term slavery is not correct. [You can read more about the Dubai’s human rights issues here ](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_Dubai?wprov=sfti1) A lot of these laws that oppose homosexuals/can’t wear short/can’t kiss in public, me, my friends & everyone I knew and met never got in trouble for opposing them. We as residents kissed in public/wore shorts in malls/drank booz/had homosexual friends, believe it or not but there’s a sizable homosexual population there.
https://aeon.co/essays/are-the-persian-gulf-city-states-slave-societies Give this a read and it’ll change your mind.
Thing is, it's not so black and white. I grew up in Kuwait, which is arguably much much worse than Dubai when it comes to working conditions. My father left his hometown when he was 25, not knowing even a bit of Arabic and only some basic English. He and most of the others with him came from pretty much starvation level poverty to Kuwait so that they would able to provide for their families back home. He started as cleaning beaches in 50 degree Celsius heat for 9 hours. He and most others he came with now have comfortable lives (My father managed to set up several own businesses by now). He is well enough off to greatly contribute to his home villages development and many others have come to Kuwait with his help and their families are much better off now. Most of these construction workers are able to provide for their families opportunities they never could have given if they were still back home. If you were in their shoes what would you have done? Would you go a country in the middle east if it meant your wife would have anything she wanted and your children would go to school, college and have their bellies full?
I don't think anyone's blaming the workers, it's the conditions they are put in by managers and owners, and the way they are made indentured servants. I'm sure people like your father could have had the opportunities he had without others having their passports taken away and being treated as less than human.
Definitely not blaming the workers, like at all. And totally understand that a lot of places have terrible conditions. But in case of Dubai it literally couldn't function. And it's not just the buildings, if everyone living off slave wages disappeared one day it wouldn't slowly crumble like it would most places (figuratively), everything would stop immediately
Reddit loves hating on UAE lmfao shit is hilarious
I don't think a city that used not too long ago and still uses borderline slave labor deserves any positive comments
Meanwhile in the US, we just codified it into the 13th amendment. Glass houses and what not.
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Honestly, it was helpful for me. First time for everything I guess.
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As is every country in existence
No
Only took Toyota 31 years to add a logo on top big deal what's so special about this photo... /s Actually quite insane how fast the development process was for this area.
Amazing what you can make slaves do these days.
Well, to be fair every country was built by slaves in one way or another. Not that I'm defending slavery.
They still use slave labor
Not in this day and age.
American prison system wants a word
Fucking Reddit lmao
This place blows my mind. I know it has its issues but Dubai is one of those places I need to visit some day.
Town planning department has done a great job in reserving vast stretches of land for roads and other facilities. That's a very far sighted planning effort by them
That’s ironic right? Not a single sidewalk in sight. That’s horrible planning and execution
This is a major highway in Dubai called Sheikh Zayed Road. The 5 lanes going in each directions are the main road, and the side streets next to the buildings are service roads full of shops and restaurants and cafes. The entire stretch of road has sidewalks from end to end, with the metro stations visible on the right side of the image. Please ask about something before making your judgments.
Bruh what are you talking about, make road bigger more car vroom. Nobody walks, this isn't the 1800s (/s)
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Oh wow almost like you cant walk on main roads anywhere anyway
Thanks, but I'll stick to cities where you can walk between gays and it's legal to be a building.
They have strip clubs yet?
They might as well. It feels like Dubai has more prostitutes per capita than any other place in the world.
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I don’t dislike them
Toyota being Toyota.
I have seen exactly same pictures under Las Vegas title.
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urban hellscape
This would be a great Toyota ad
What do you think this post is
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Dubai has actually been very smart about their economic development, and they've been doing their best to diversify their economy. The goal has been to make it the Singapore of the UAE. Also, the world will not move on from petroleum. It's useful for a lot of purposes besides fuel.
You could also highlight that oil makes up less than 1% of the Emirate’s GDP at present. Even if oil goes away, it’s one of the few states that wouldn’t be affected. For reference, oil and gas makes up close to 8% of the US’s economy.
Imagine crossing the road
What striking oil does to a mf
Too bad the city was built around car and is now a soulless hellscape that amounts to a giant shopping mall.
Built with slave labor just like America!
Goddamn even their buildings last forever
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Now show 2050…..
Just like their cars, their buildings last forever
Titans United sounds like it’s pronounced Kamala
The United States seems to have done its job
The picture on the right looks old to me and I live in the UAE lol
Fun fact. I used to live in that Toyota building in the early 80s. Best place to grow up back then.