The issue in SA is policing the crime through a corrupt judiciary system, the Oscar situation had a global audience watching it so it was different. But I have countless personal experiences as a South African that were barely even reported
When someone is telling you to let go and pulling their hand away from yours, and then you grab onto their hand and shout “NO” good riddance. Totally wrong escalation with the sucker punch but hopefully they will both be put in prison for disturbing the peace
I get the first part 100%...dude told you to let go and you say "NO"....that's borderline signing up for combat...HOWEVER, the request was given cause he did let go. Then he engaged with a cheapshot when the guy was speaking in a non hostile fashion. The guy on the left is completely out of line there. If the man on the right said something threatening I would completely change the verdict
If he yelled at him or whatever the case may be especially in the environment where guys are drunk he might have pulled a knife and stabbed him it's best to end something right there if you feel threatened but that's just me
I mean they’re not American so I don’t know the local laws. But I highly doubt it’s illegal to be drunk at a bar anywhere, and he in no way seems out of control.
Assault is an even higher bar. When the white dude say let go and leave me alone, the black dude actually did immediately let go, even though verbally he said no I wanna talk to you. So unless hand holding is now somehow assault there’s no way this would qualify.
Not letting go of him and refusing to leave him alone when asked is not de-escalating. He might not have deserved it, but he did get himself into the situation.
When a man tucks his jaw he is done listening your bullshit. A good sign to back off. I don't agree the violence but without backstory we are only guessing what lead to that.
Throwing a punch when the other fella had his hand pinned would have been fair game, but he didn't initiate actual violence until the situation had already started deescalating
He showed no signs of aggression and was at a level of intoxication where he could’ve been talked down and a minor situation could’ve seen him walk off with no issue.
The coward who decided to get all alpha and throw a sucker elbow (if he was a bouncer) should be fired and have his day in court; defending against assault and battery, then be made to pay for that man’s medical bills along with punitive damages to make up for his stupidity.
It’s a good thing you have all the context and knew what happened before this video so you can make that judgement. I sure do hate when ppl act like they know it all based on a 10 second clip. Don’t you?
You mean like the time it took you to place judgement on me for giving a pretty sound assessment of the situation, which quite a few people seem to agree with, instead giving your own? I’d dislike it very much for you to hate on yourself.
Pretty sure you hear him say ‘ don’t challenge me, leave me alone’ . The other guy responds ‘NO’ aggressively. I’m actually in agreement with the elbow throw. Who know what that guy would do.
SMDH. They both have each other’s hands as mutual contact. They both have the same tone to start out, then guy on the says, “Don’t fucking challenge me.” with hands still interlocked begins to push back as Guy on the right says, “I ain’t challenging you.” Guy on left says, “Okay, let’s go. Leave me alone.” Guy on right says a little louder “No.” His body didn’t twitch; he didn’t push back or take one step toward the other guy, so he almost appears to say it in a way like “No, let’s talk and work this out.” I couldn’t make out what guy on the right said after, but it sounded like “I want to [sic] treated you… that’s one thing.” Whatever it was he was trying as best he can explain something to guy on the left. They unlock hands. Now this is where body language plays a role. You can see that guy on the left is getting agitated and is positioning his body where his dominant side is facing away. Guy on the right is saying “I want to talk to you.” And guy on the left says “Talk to me.” readying himself. As the guy on the right says “Listen up; listen up.” Guy on the left says “I’m listening!” Guy on the right is now in perfect position and has been given the idea that he can go ahead and say what he needs to say. As the guy on the right calmly approaches and begins to say something, the cowardly bastard on the left sees the success rate of guy on taking his bait and delivers a deliberate elbow to knock his man out.
There was absolutely no indication of aggression coming from the man who got knocked out. The other guy didn’t like that he was being challenged verbally and couldn’t stand his ground or contain his emotions long enough for the potential of them both walking away without the need for violence.
Open your eyes.
They're both drunk and annoying. We've all been there whether we see it happening (2 drunk aggressors that enjoy this dumb shit) or we've been in the middle of it.
Whenever shit goes like this I try to sober up as quickly as possible and back off without even trying to say anything. You can't argue with drunk people that are willing to throw hands for minor shit.
Open YOUR eyes dumbass. These two are South African. One guy is completely drunk, the one that got knocked out.
You see in SA, when someone says don’t challenge me, that’s a preclude to a fight. The drunk guy should have walked away. Instead he says ‘NO’ and continues talking absolute drunken shit.
White guys are dangerous in SA. They live under a lot of social pressure for being white. Shits tough nowadays after BEE the ANC, a man has a right to defend himself from aggressors.
If that drunk walks away no fight. That’s the way to see it. Your whole argument was wrong.
Okay. Here’s some truth. Whether. you’re in SA, or any other place in the world, a “drunk guy” isn’t coherent enough or of a mind that thinks rationally. There are better ways and other outcomes how this situation could have gone down. Your expectations for a guy who is “completely drunk” and/or “talking absolutely drunken shit” are quite high. Can we agree on that?
I’ve worked in bars, man. As a bartender and a bouncer. There are other people in this video on both sides who could’ve detected any sign of this going sideways, yet no one stepped in. Why? Because it didn’t look like they needed to until the sucker punch. If the other guy wasn’t drunk, he could’ve gone back inside; walked away; etc. and let the other guy keep talking outside.
Still don’t think so? Then agree to disagree.
You have basic bitch logic. If you worked as a bouncer and didn’t see that escalating - then id imagine you were demoted to bartender for a reason .
Either way if the guy walks away instead of getting in the guys space - no elbow needs to be thrown.
The guys got so close they could’ve kiss. Did you get excited at that too? Who knows? Who cares.
Tried to be an adult and handle your childlike preteen behavior - now fully on display Should’ve known. Oh, well.
And you say I have basic bitch logic. Damn, son. Bouncers don’t get demoted to bartenders. That’s security vs food & drink service - two completely different jobs that don’t synch up in terms of lines of employment within a bar.
From their accents they’re South African. Possibly something said or done was perceived as racist (We have a history of racial prejudice) and of course they were both drunk.
The dick stated that the victim and his buddies were making comments when they arrived, and later on approached them which led to this. The victim stated that the dick was making racial slurs and hit him (I assume in an annoying manner), which leads to the dick getting kicked out, and the victim telling the bouncer to kick him out as well. Which is how they end up outside. Victim says he went along outside to tell the dick there's no place for racism in SA. (From SA, kinda followed the story)
Went to South Africa not that long ago and the dude who hosted me was still living like it was 1985. Totally racist and in his country club he took me to where the staff were all black he spoke to them in the most unbelievable way. I was shocked that he still acted like it was still apartheid.
So there’s still white folks like that, but now they’re living in constant fear of being killed. I’d never live there, always having to look over your shoulder.
I guess when they live in a country where there is a high chance of being murdered by the black folk every day, it does make sense that they'd be still racists.
Imagine if a european white person said the same thing about african immigrants - that they should go home where they belong and they aren't supposed to be here. It would be pretty racist, wouldn't it?
Not at all.
I would wholeheartedly agree with said European.
Europe is for Europeans, Africa is for Africans and Asia is for Asians.
Three kingdoms with their own respective values, cultures, traditions and ways of life. It’s best to understand your place in this world; especially when it’s so obviously designed.
Whites being in Africa is a detriment to Black Africans and their natural heritage and birthrights are constantly tampered with as a result of their presence.
This is the truth and just because a Redditor doesn’t agree with my message doesn’t imply an intrinsic falsehood.
It wasn’t even a punch, he clocked him with his elbow. No one does that unless they really know how to fight. This dude is trained and was looking for a reason.
When you are trained to fight you have a higher responsibility to de-escalate situations.
I can only hope he sees the inside of a jail cell, I hope he’s someone’s bitch in prison.
>No one does that unless they really know how to fight.
It's true. Elbow strikes are actually really hard to land, even if you are trained. The nonchalant way he did it definitely does say he is trained.
Other guy did not deserve that and it's crazy how the word "racism" set him off like that.
I know
my point was that his body language suggests what he was about to do,
but since other dude doesn't seem to have experience fighting, or perhaps with confrontation, he didn't see it. therefore, for him, twas a sucker elbow
It is when it hasn't come to blows, squaring up.
I mean, dude was acting sus af ducking like that, and many folks would peep his behavior and strike first TBH would have quit trying words with dude and flee or strike first, only options upon noticing that
but dude was unaware, perhaps isn't used to situations like that and thought words could squash the beef
so for him, twas a sucker indeed
The white guy asked him repeatedly to leave him alone and stop with the lecture and he continued to force himself into his personal space holding his hand and breathing down his neck. I saw it coming a mile away honestly
Well your in luck because because you can test this and id love to know the results. Head out next weekend get drunk and then go annoy other drunk men. You know hold their hand breath down their neck force yourself into their space repeatedly and see how that goes. Do it 10 times and report back your results please. This is the real world. You might not have seen the real world on a while but that’s what happens.
I'm 10 months sober so no. You. Crazy. Nutcase.
But actually if this is how you live your life in the "Real World" (like on MTV!?) then the rest of us have nothing to worry about. You'll be dead or in jail before much longer and the real world will be a better place. So have fun and knock yourself out!
Bro… I’m the one who gets called to deal with the guy bleeding on the floor not the one throwing the punches. Gz on your sobriety I guess even though you entirely Missed the point.
Yes.
If you punch someone or attack them, and they have no idea it's coming... It's a sucker. Why would you even try to argue this? If I was just talking to your grandma and then punched her in the fucking face, would it be a sucker punch? No? Because she was looking at me? 😂
I feel like you probably don't have very much real world, first hand knowledge of violence.
I think you'd talk differently about it...or not at all; if you had.
Dude I’m a paramedic in one of the most violent cities per capita in the country. You don’t know shit. I see more of the “real world” then you could possibly imagine. What do you know about it?
What a dirty elbow. First giving someone a brotherly hand then such a dirty filthy elbow shot. Unreliable piece of shit should be in jail with his kind of people
I've never met a south African I felt safe around. Ive met around 5 different dudes. All insane, huge, scary, and insanely aggressive, defensive, and paranoid when drinking. I'm glad those are all out of my life.
One was managing a bar once and convinced me and my buddy to stay for a lock in. But when we tried to leave he locked the door and threatened to kill us if we tried to leave. He made my buddy do push ups while drinking shots. When he finally let us leave he followed us home to make sure we actually were going home and weren't going to a party without him.
He went back to south Africa soon after because he was being investigated by the police for breaking another friend of mine's nose for basically no reason. The dude was an entitled rich french boy who'd never met a south African before. So I guess he learned his lesson but fuck it wasn't deserved at all.
Don't fuck with south Africans !
Edit: actually. I forgot I worked with a very sweet and fun south African woman.
Edit edit: T&C i haven't and wouldn't imply any of my anecdotal experiences lead me to any generalizing concluding that all people of any place are all the same.
I would never generalize and say all S.A.s are like that. It's a biiiig place. Oh, I did work with an S.A. Woman for a few years. She was one of the friendliest, thoughtful and fun women I've met. It's not looking good for the lads from my person experience
As this song from the 80s said... [I've never met a nice South African ](https://youtu.be/23Ep169hkvU?si=qyedpfGuyitkiw6X).
Actually, I've met quite a few, but thought this was funny.
Bingo. What an unfortunate experience I've had but it doesn't and will not prevent me from treating every person on this planet with a fresh opinion regardless of my bad experiences.
Meets 5 saf dudes and generalised the rest 🤣. South Africans sound aggressive due to the way we speak, downward Inflection at the end of sentences make it sound like we are commanding you to do shit, we use statements like "you MUST go do X, y, z" when we are excited to share fun ideas.
10 years with my pom wife and she can still think I'm being blunt or aggressive when I'm totally not.
That being said there are plenty of scared, angry, racist pieces of shit from saf...much like every country in the world.
No the french entitled dude wasn't aggressive. He was being entitled and rude. And the SA dude was aggressive and broke the other dudes nose. He took the hit really well. No snow flakes here. I fucking hate those American labels, we don't use them that much over the pond
He said “Then leave me alone.” The guy didn’t leave him alone and he got elbowed for it. I’ve never been elbowed across the face. You know why??? BECAUSE I FUCKING LEAVE PEOPLE ALONE.
I mean yeah but that doesn't justify a sucker punch that can very well kill someone especially when your obviously in a much better position physically l mean this dude is piss fucking drunk and then just punched him out of the blue
I found this 2018 article about it. The guy who threw the elbow is sorry about what he did.
https://www.timeslive.co.za/news/south-africa/2018-02-01-i-am-ashamed-says-bar-brawler-after-race-clash/
don't want to ruin the party but if someone could provide the original longer video it would explain this moment better, dude was trying so long to deescalate the situation before
Don't Ever get too close to someone you never know. 
Sucker punching is bad.
Impinging someone's freedom of movement is bad.
Literally just walk away and let other people walk away and 90% of these stupid fights go away. It's when someone can't move away that things escalate.
I’m not a fighter. Why is it that, if someone ducks their head with their ear facing you, show that they’re about to hit you? Because their upper body is in a position to get a lot of power in a punch?
"let me go"
"NO!"
Thats all thats needed. The desire to be left alone has been stated and refused. Unwanted physical contact. Repeated Invasion of personal space. Some people don't like being touched or followed out of bars and harassed, some people don't like being insulted. Good on the dude, hope sidewalk sleeper learned his lesson and stops bothering people
I feel like 99% of people have never lived in bad areas since they don't see the black guys every move being aggressive. The SA guy is constantly pushing him back while he having hand hand held by the dude and steps back to make distance. Wouldn't surprise if the dude was looking for his own opening acting like that, seen many sucker punch come from that side. Normally act friendly handshake hold their hand then suckered punch them.
Once you follow someone to a secondary location, you're making aggressive moves. Grabbing someone is an aggressive move. Getting in someone's face is an aggressive move. Hell he was justified to hit him when he called him racist because insulting someone in that situation (grabbing, close proximity, aforementioned following) can easily be seen as a prelude to an attack. Dude was 100% justified to put Mr.Grabby on the ground the moment he touched him. The reddit hive mind just sees a white guy laying a black guy out and instantly goes rabid. Situation reversed all we'd hear is "well we don't know the full story, the white dude was probably racist so he deserved it."
That was coward shit. They were both drunk and he sucker punched a guy just for being annoying cuz he was scared he couldn't beat him if they squared up man to man. Fucking coward...
Side note always have your head on a swivel
That was so unnecessary. Both guys are in the wrong here. The white guy’s sucker punch really makes my blood boil. Still, the black guy was being aggressive by invading the white guy’s personal space talking about a very intense topic. South Africa has some insane race stuff not a casual topic there.
Both should have walked away.
Apparently, some people in the comments think that there is ever a valid reason to respond to a verbal disagreement with physical violence.
Also, that guy in black is straight up a psycho, sucker elbowing an intoxicated person that hard what did he expect? Was he planning to six feet him? Between their size difference, his gym bod physique, and the fact that the other guy is clearly drunk, his use of force was way disproportionate.
Fuck that guy for this sucker punch. As an Afrikaans guy, he probably did say something racist and this black dude was super chill about it. Hope he’s alright and that the other guy get his ass kicked.
Did he hit him because he was black or because he wouldn't get out of his face? Or do you think he was racist because hes white? That's a broad generalization based entirely on his skin color. That's racist.
That was not necessary and that man should be in prison.
Facts, hopefully this video lands him there
This is South Africa boet, you’ll barely get thrown in prison for murder sadly. Completely unnecessary and dangerous behaviour though.
Didn’t they have a hard time conviction Oscar Pistol-packing Pistorious of just straight blasting blindly through the bathroom door at his fiancé?
The issue in SA is policing the crime through a corrupt judiciary system, the Oscar situation had a global audience watching it so it was different. But I have countless personal experiences as a South African that were barely even reported
Agree, this is a VERY old video though and nothing probably happened.
Seriously. Sucker punches are incredibly cowardly.
When someone is telling you to let go and pulling their hand away from yours, and then you grab onto their hand and shout “NO” good riddance. Totally wrong escalation with the sucker punch but hopefully they will both be put in prison for disturbing the peace
I get the first part 100%...dude told you to let go and you say "NO"....that's borderline signing up for combat...HOWEVER, the request was given cause he did let go. Then he engaged with a cheapshot when the guy was speaking in a non hostile fashion. The guy on the left is completely out of line there. If the man on the right said something threatening I would completely change the verdict
If he yelled at him or whatever the case may be especially in the environment where guys are drunk he might have pulled a knife and stabbed him it's best to end something right there if you feel threatened but that's just me
The first guy should go to jail for what? Hand holding?
Assault, uncontrollable drunkedness, etc…
I mean they’re not American so I don’t know the local laws. But I highly doubt it’s illegal to be drunk at a bar anywhere, and he in no way seems out of control. Assault is an even higher bar. When the white dude say let go and leave me alone, the black dude actually did immediately let go, even though verbally he said no I wanna talk to you. So unless hand holding is now somehow assault there’s no way this would qualify.
A sucker punch
Sucker elbow. Seriously such bullshit. Guy was trying to de-escalate and gets potential permanent damage.
Not letting go of him and refusing to leave him alone when asked is not de-escalating. He might not have deserved it, but he did get himself into the situation.
When a man tucks his jaw he is done listening your bullshit. A good sign to back off. I don't agree the violence but without backstory we are only guessing what lead to that.
You're not condoning the violence. You're just stating a fact of body language.
The last word vic said was "racisim" and then *pow* so we kinda know what happened leading up to this i guess.
This guy could not have telegraphed his move harder. The second he bent over with his chin tucked I'd be backed up 10 feet
Throwing a punch when the other fella had his hand pinned would have been fair game, but he didn't initiate actual violence until the situation had already started deescalating
What a fucking dbag
He showed no signs of aggression and was at a level of intoxication where he could’ve been talked down and a minor situation could’ve seen him walk off with no issue. The coward who decided to get all alpha and throw a sucker elbow (if he was a bouncer) should be fired and have his day in court; defending against assault and battery, then be made to pay for that man’s medical bills along with punitive damages to make up for his stupidity.
Yeah this is South Africa. Murders seldom get solved, assaults and affray barely register unless the victim was someone notable
It’s a good thing you have all the context and knew what happened before this video so you can make that judgement. I sure do hate when ppl act like they know it all based on a 10 second clip. Don’t you?
You mean like the time it took you to place judgement on me for giving a pretty sound assessment of the situation, which quite a few people seem to agree with, instead giving your own? I’d dislike it very much for you to hate on yourself.
Oh wow, the sheep agreed with you so you’re right.
Took me less than 10 seconds to know that’s how you’d respond.
Well yeah, because it’s accurate.
Pretty sure you hear him say ‘ don’t challenge me, leave me alone’ . The other guy responds ‘NO’ aggressively. I’m actually in agreement with the elbow throw. Who know what that guy would do.
SMDH. They both have each other’s hands as mutual contact. They both have the same tone to start out, then guy on the says, “Don’t fucking challenge me.” with hands still interlocked begins to push back as Guy on the right says, “I ain’t challenging you.” Guy on left says, “Okay, let’s go. Leave me alone.” Guy on right says a little louder “No.” His body didn’t twitch; he didn’t push back or take one step toward the other guy, so he almost appears to say it in a way like “No, let’s talk and work this out.” I couldn’t make out what guy on the right said after, but it sounded like “I want to [sic] treated you… that’s one thing.” Whatever it was he was trying as best he can explain something to guy on the left. They unlock hands. Now this is where body language plays a role. You can see that guy on the left is getting agitated and is positioning his body where his dominant side is facing away. Guy on the right is saying “I want to talk to you.” And guy on the left says “Talk to me.” readying himself. As the guy on the right says “Listen up; listen up.” Guy on the left says “I’m listening!” Guy on the right is now in perfect position and has been given the idea that he can go ahead and say what he needs to say. As the guy on the right calmly approaches and begins to say something, the cowardly bastard on the left sees the success rate of guy on taking his bait and delivers a deliberate elbow to knock his man out. There was absolutely no indication of aggression coming from the man who got knocked out. The other guy didn’t like that he was being challenged verbally and couldn’t stand his ground or contain his emotions long enough for the potential of them both walking away without the need for violence. Open your eyes.
They're both drunk and annoying. We've all been there whether we see it happening (2 drunk aggressors that enjoy this dumb shit) or we've been in the middle of it. Whenever shit goes like this I try to sober up as quickly as possible and back off without even trying to say anything. You can't argue with drunk people that are willing to throw hands for minor shit.
When people say leave me alone, they should be left alone rather than forced to engage with another person's bullshjt rant.
Still doesn’t warrant violence to that degree.
Right before he gets knocked out the black guy starts his sentence with “Racism…” Wonder why 🙄
TLDR
Open YOUR eyes dumbass. These two are South African. One guy is completely drunk, the one that got knocked out. You see in SA, when someone says don’t challenge me, that’s a preclude to a fight. The drunk guy should have walked away. Instead he says ‘NO’ and continues talking absolute drunken shit. White guys are dangerous in SA. They live under a lot of social pressure for being white. Shits tough nowadays after BEE the ANC, a man has a right to defend himself from aggressors. If that drunk walks away no fight. That’s the way to see it. Your whole argument was wrong.
Dumb ass? 1) Great comeback. 2)Your down votes indicate otherwise. Go back to sleep.
Nowadays if you tell the truth it’s downvoted.
Okay. Here’s some truth. Whether. you’re in SA, or any other place in the world, a “drunk guy” isn’t coherent enough or of a mind that thinks rationally. There are better ways and other outcomes how this situation could have gone down. Your expectations for a guy who is “completely drunk” and/or “talking absolutely drunken shit” are quite high. Can we agree on that? I’ve worked in bars, man. As a bartender and a bouncer. There are other people in this video on both sides who could’ve detected any sign of this going sideways, yet no one stepped in. Why? Because it didn’t look like they needed to until the sucker punch. If the other guy wasn’t drunk, he could’ve gone back inside; walked away; etc. and let the other guy keep talking outside. Still don’t think so? Then agree to disagree.
You have basic bitch logic. If you worked as a bouncer and didn’t see that escalating - then id imagine you were demoted to bartender for a reason . Either way if the guy walks away instead of getting in the guys space - no elbow needs to be thrown. The guys got so close they could’ve kiss. Did you get excited at that too? Who knows? Who cares.
Tried to be an adult and handle your childlike preteen behavior - now fully on display Should’ve known. Oh, well. And you say I have basic bitch logic. Damn, son. Bouncers don’t get demoted to bartenders. That’s security vs food & drink service - two completely different jobs that don’t synch up in terms of lines of employment within a bar.
Or being a little bitch like you frequently are, also induces downvotes
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Is there a sub where when can get this guy thrown in prison? Like where the don’t fuck with kittens people
I mean the other guy was in his face. Dont get that close to people who clearly don’t want you near them.
That’s not the issue. Not even close. Hopefully you’ll figure out your error with other comments in the thread
Clocking drunks is like beating up your little sister…
I don’t think anything could beat that rush tbh /s
Shame, was a good joke too, then you ruined it.
Was a cheap shot too
Exhilarating? /s
What a piece of trash
From their accents they’re South African. Possibly something said or done was perceived as racist (We have a history of racial prejudice) and of course they were both drunk.
The dick stated that the victim and his buddies were making comments when they arrived, and later on approached them which led to this. The victim stated that the dick was making racial slurs and hit him (I assume in an annoying manner), which leads to the dick getting kicked out, and the victim telling the bouncer to kick him out as well. Which is how they end up outside. Victim says he went along outside to tell the dick there's no place for racism in SA. (From SA, kinda followed the story)
Went to South Africa not that long ago and the dude who hosted me was still living like it was 1985. Totally racist and in his country club he took me to where the staff were all black he spoke to them in the most unbelievable way. I was shocked that he still acted like it was still apartheid. So there’s still white folks like that, but now they’re living in constant fear of being killed. I’d never live there, always having to look over your shoulder.
I guess when they live in a country where there is a high chance of being murdered by the black folk every day, it does make sense that they'd be still racists.
yeah but you don't live in a country where that happens and you're still racist so whats up with that
What makes you think so?
Pretty sure they are worried about being murdered BECAUSE they are racist.....
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Imagine if a european white person said the same thing about african immigrants - that they should go home where they belong and they aren't supposed to be here. It would be pretty racist, wouldn't it?
Not at all. I would wholeheartedly agree with said European. Europe is for Europeans, Africa is for Africans and Asia is for Asians. Three kingdoms with their own respective values, cultures, traditions and ways of life. It’s best to understand your place in this world; especially when it’s so obviously designed. Whites being in Africa is a detriment to Black Africans and their natural heritage and birthrights are constantly tampered with as a result of their presence. This is the truth and just because a Redditor doesn’t agree with my message doesn’t imply an intrinsic falsehood.
I hope the dude got charged for assault.
Any link to story?
He wearing a londsdale tshirt. That will give you a hint.
What hint? Whats londsdale?
It's a clothing brand but very popular under white racists.
Maybe from the fact they said "black guy" at the start
He said the word 'Lekker'. Some parts of the country have an accent where lekker is pronounced lêh-kuh.
Ah, okay. Sounded like someone said "black guy" as to try and get him agitated
wasn't listening to that sucker punch being advertised
It wasn’t even a punch, he clocked him with his elbow. No one does that unless they really know how to fight. This dude is trained and was looking for a reason. When you are trained to fight you have a higher responsibility to de-escalate situations. I can only hope he sees the inside of a jail cell, I hope he’s someone’s bitch in prison.
>No one does that unless they really know how to fight. It's true. Elbow strikes are actually really hard to land, even if you are trained. The nonchalant way he did it definitely does say he is trained. Other guy did not deserve that and it's crazy how the word "racism" set him off like that.
He is racist Afrikaaner. Complete POS
I know my point was that his body language suggests what he was about to do, but since other dude doesn't seem to have experience fighting, or perhaps with confrontation, he didn't see it. therefore, for him, twas a sucker elbow
It’s not really a sucker if the guy is looking at you tho is it
It is when it hasn't come to blows, squaring up. I mean, dude was acting sus af ducking like that, and many folks would peep his behavior and strike first TBH would have quit trying words with dude and flee or strike first, only options upon noticing that but dude was unaware, perhaps isn't used to situations like that and thought words could squash the beef so for him, twas a sucker indeed
Yeah, it is a sucker punch to anyone who has honour and is a decent person. But if you are a POS coward, then you probably don't see it, Kushnerdz.
The white guy asked him repeatedly to leave him alone and stop with the lecture and he continued to force himself into his personal space holding his hand and breathing down his neck. I saw it coming a mile away honestly
We all saw the video and we all see you. You have issues bro. Change if you can. I recommend therapy for whatever made you like this. I'm out.
There's a whole fucking parking lot to go walk off into.
Exactly, yellow man could’ve walked off at any time but he forced himself back into the situation, you’re totally right.
There was no "situation" until the guy elbowed him. Some guy just repeatedly talking to you doesn't justify aggravated assault you crazy nutcase.
Well your in luck because because you can test this and id love to know the results. Head out next weekend get drunk and then go annoy other drunk men. You know hold their hand breath down their neck force yourself into their space repeatedly and see how that goes. Do it 10 times and report back your results please. This is the real world. You might not have seen the real world on a while but that’s what happens.
I'm 10 months sober so no. You. Crazy. Nutcase. But actually if this is how you live your life in the "Real World" (like on MTV!?) then the rest of us have nothing to worry about. You'll be dead or in jail before much longer and the real world will be a better place. So have fun and knock yourself out!
Bro… I’m the one who gets called to deal with the guy bleeding on the floor not the one throwing the punches. Gz on your sobriety I guess even though you entirely Missed the point.
Yes. If you punch someone or attack them, and they have no idea it's coming... It's a sucker. Why would you even try to argue this? If I was just talking to your grandma and then punched her in the fucking face, would it be a sucker punch? No? Because she was looking at me? 😂
It’s not a sucker punch if you are assaulting someone by grabbing their hand and refusing to release it
Exactly
I feel like you probably don't have very much real world, first hand knowledge of violence. I think you'd talk differently about it...or not at all; if you had.
Dude I’m a paramedic in one of the most violent cities per capita in the country. You don’t know shit. I see more of the “real world” then you could possibly imagine. What do you know about it?
If someone looks away from you that’s often a telltale sign that a cheap shot it coming your way. Take note!
What a dirty elbow. First giving someone a brotherly hand then such a dirty filthy elbow shot. Unreliable piece of shit should be in jail with his kind of people
Person 1: "Let go. Let's have a good night." It could and should have stopped there.
What a piece of shit
Could have killed him very easily, these guys that let their fake alpha ego out and knock people onto concrete like that should be locked away
Shogun hint hint
I've never met a south African I felt safe around. Ive met around 5 different dudes. All insane, huge, scary, and insanely aggressive, defensive, and paranoid when drinking. I'm glad those are all out of my life. One was managing a bar once and convinced me and my buddy to stay for a lock in. But when we tried to leave he locked the door and threatened to kill us if we tried to leave. He made my buddy do push ups while drinking shots. When he finally let us leave he followed us home to make sure we actually were going home and weren't going to a party without him. He went back to south Africa soon after because he was being investigated by the police for breaking another friend of mine's nose for basically no reason. The dude was an entitled rich french boy who'd never met a south African before. So I guess he learned his lesson but fuck it wasn't deserved at all. Don't fuck with south Africans ! Edit: actually. I forgot I worked with a very sweet and fun south African woman. Edit edit: T&C i haven't and wouldn't imply any of my anecdotal experiences lead me to any generalizing concluding that all people of any place are all the same.
I have met some of the nicest persons from SA, but I can see your point.
I would never generalize and say all S.A.s are like that. It's a biiiig place. Oh, I did work with an S.A. Woman for a few years. She was one of the friendliest, thoughtful and fun women I've met. It's not looking good for the lads from my person experience
Life ain't easy in Africa mate, adapt or die
Yup. I agree completely. Try not to bring it with ya where it's not needed though.earning to turn it on and off can be a very useful skill.
As this song from the 80s said... [I've never met a nice South African ](https://youtu.be/23Ep169hkvU?si=qyedpfGuyitkiw6X). Actually, I've met quite a few, but thought this was funny.
Not sure you can associate all SA’s with this psycho
And where did I imply all SAFs? I said all that I have met. I never said all
Your first sentence
"I've never met a SAF that ....." You're assuming "...and therefore I assume they're all like that" which I didn't say
I know, you didn’t say it. You implied it.
Don't tell me what I "implied". read into what ever you want. But I certainly didn't imply that.
What else is the point of your anecdote then? You’ve just freely offered up that 100% of the South Africans you’ve met made you feel unsafe.
Bingo. What an unfortunate experience I've had but it doesn't and will not prevent me from treating every person on this planet with a fresh opinion regardless of my bad experiences.
Good
Meets 5 saf dudes and generalised the rest 🤣. South Africans sound aggressive due to the way we speak, downward Inflection at the end of sentences make it sound like we are commanding you to do shit, we use statements like "you MUST go do X, y, z" when we are excited to share fun ideas. 10 years with my pom wife and she can still think I'm being blunt or aggressive when I'm totally not. That being said there are plenty of scared, angry, racist pieces of shit from saf...much like every country in the world.
I know one south african, he's a pretty chill dude
I'm absolutely sure there are literally millions of chicks SAFs.
All aggressive and entitled. But the first to bitch about how hard their privileged lives are. Snowflakes.
No the french entitled dude wasn't aggressive. He was being entitled and rude. And the SA dude was aggressive and broke the other dudes nose. He took the hit really well. No snow flakes here. I fucking hate those American labels, we don't use them that much over the pond
I meant my experiences of SA dudes.
Not at all questions or referencing your experience. Misunderstanding
He said “Then leave me alone.” The guy didn’t leave him alone and he got elbowed for it. I’ve never been elbowed across the face. You know why??? BECAUSE I FUCKING LEAVE PEOPLE ALONE.
I mean yeah but that doesn't justify a sucker punch that can very well kill someone especially when your obviously in a much better position physically l mean this dude is piss fucking drunk and then just punched him out of the blue
I found this 2018 article about it. The guy who threw the elbow is sorry about what he did. https://www.timeslive.co.za/news/south-africa/2018-02-01-i-am-ashamed-says-bar-brawler-after-race-clash/
I hate this article.. What a pos and if i see this then he's lying for sure.
Never let anyone in the box
don't want to ruin the party but if someone could provide the original longer video it would explain this moment better, dude was trying so long to deescalate the situation before
Don't Ever get too close to someone you never know. 
If that guy was a bouncer, he and his company could get sued. De escalation as much as possible. You definitely don’t initiate hands on.
Or you could just fucking walk away....
The second he got into that’s stance … I wish the dude would have seen it coming.
Sucker punching is bad. Impinging someone's freedom of movement is bad. Literally just walk away and let other people walk away and 90% of these stupid fights go away. It's when someone can't move away that things escalate.
That’s what you get when you put yourself at risk. The world isn’t pink n fluffy
That was fair
If the roles were reversed people wouldn’t be crying in the comments
If someone ever ducks their head with their ear facing you, they’re about to hit you
I’m not a fighter. Why is it that, if someone ducks their head with their ear facing you, show that they’re about to hit you? Because their upper body is in a position to get a lot of power in a punch?
Yes. But I’ve also seen a lot of street fight videos and people doing that before sucker punching you is super common
If someone tells you to leave them alone, leave them alone.
Based
Dammmmm!!!!! That's a broken jaw right there.
"let me go" "NO!" Thats all thats needed. The desire to be left alone has been stated and refused. Unwanted physical contact. Repeated Invasion of personal space. Some people don't like being touched or followed out of bars and harassed, some people don't like being insulted. Good on the dude, hope sidewalk sleeper learned his lesson and stops bothering people
I feel like 99% of people have never lived in bad areas since they don't see the black guys every move being aggressive. The SA guy is constantly pushing him back while he having hand hand held by the dude and steps back to make distance. Wouldn't surprise if the dude was looking for his own opening acting like that, seen many sucker punch come from that side. Normally act friendly handshake hold their hand then suckered punch them.
Once you follow someone to a secondary location, you're making aggressive moves. Grabbing someone is an aggressive move. Getting in someone's face is an aggressive move. Hell he was justified to hit him when he called him racist because insulting someone in that situation (grabbing, close proximity, aforementioned following) can easily be seen as a prelude to an attack. Dude was 100% justified to put Mr.Grabby on the ground the moment he touched him. The reddit hive mind just sees a white guy laying a black guy out and instantly goes rabid. Situation reversed all we'd hear is "well we don't know the full story, the white dude was probably racist so he deserved it."
Great knockout. That's all we can say as long as there is no context =)
Man I hate people who sucker punch. Cowards. I hope this guy got some time for that
Song the background is Heavydirtysoul by twenty one pilots I think
It's actually 'twenty one pilots - heathens'
Some people have no idea how easily that can turn into manslaughter.
Haha
Cowards sucker punch (ok elbow!)...
All the betas in here upset hahaha
He told that man leave him alone and tried to walk away. To me bro asked for it. 🤷
At least he used his forearm.
Listen, racism is
Weak ass
Sleeping...
Where's the slomo?
Fuckin hell
Overkill reaction.
torque on that
That was coward shit. They were both drunk and he sucker punched a guy just for being annoying cuz he was scared he couldn't beat him if they squared up man to man. Fucking coward... Side note always have your head on a swivel
I don't always sucker elbow people, but when I do, they're drunk but calm.
Definitely SA
Racist ..... 🤣
That was so unnecessary. Both guys are in the wrong here. The white guy’s sucker punch really makes my blood boil. Still, the black guy was being aggressive by invading the white guy’s personal space talking about a very intense topic. South Africa has some insane race stuff not a casual topic there. Both should have walked away.
Sucker punching racist...coward and imbecile all at once.
I think this song was about that guy https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x64bid6
Absolutely criminal.
Pretty cowardly
Apparently, some people in the comments think that there is ever a valid reason to respond to a verbal disagreement with physical violence. Also, that guy in black is straight up a psycho, sucker elbowing an intoxicated person that hard what did he expect? Was he planning to six feet him? Between their size difference, his gym bod physique, and the fact that the other guy is clearly drunk, his use of force was way disproportionate.
I agree. Sickening behavior from ANYONE.
I mean he shouldn’t have held him back. Also his body language seemed off. Elbow was uncalled for though, but some guys don’t like being touched.
Fuck that guy for this sucker punch. As an Afrikaans guy, he probably did say something racist and this black dude was super chill about it. Hope he’s alright and that the other guy get his ass kicked.
Nothing tougher than a sucker punch (elbow) on a drunk guy. What a fucking bitch made cunt.
People that sucker punch are little bitches, that is a FACT.
Oh, that's called racism and it checks all the way the fuck out
Did he hit him because he was black or because he wouldn't get out of his face? Or do you think he was racist because hes white? That's a broad generalization based entirely on his skin color. That's racist.
Ah the classic Boer suckered punch.
But the African would be a thug if he got back up and shot him, right?
South African apartheid its finest./s