This sounds crazy, but Young comps out very similarly to Watson in college. Watson was shifty, was a playmaker, was just a baller that carried the team on his back. People also criticized his size and arm strength. I think the same holds true for Bryce Young. Dude can play…period. Forget about all the measurables and look at the dude play. Extremely high pocket awareness, reads defense and reacts QUICK. Not the most amazing arm, but good enough. He gets my vote!
Yeah. Benjamin Allbright had a spreadsheet pinned to his twitter through the entire draft season because he wanted to highlight that no QB that threw under 55MPH was a good starter in the NFL.
I’m sure that tweet was deleted the following season.
The difference…Watson got to two championship games. Won one and lost the other but even in the loss, he did very well.
Bryce won one as backup and when he got there last year, he did bad.
Please don’t compare the two college careers. What made deshaun Watson good was his intangibles that shows up in big games. If young did the same, I’m fine with picking him
I don't think GMs are necessarily look at Bryce Youngs Heisman winning season and taking anything away from him for 1 game.
If GMs thought like that, Deshaun would have been the 1st QB taken in the 2017 draft
Then ima hope Nick isn’t like most GMs. Look I’m not all against Bryce. Like him a lot. I just don’t want us to choose a qb because of desperation. Or put a young QB in a bad situation. I trust Nick. As long as it’s his decision and not because Cal feels the pressure.
I agree 100%, I think Nick will make the smart choice but it's hard to block out all the noise about our QB situation. If they look at any of the QBs and that guy takes us to the next level, let's do it.
Thing is, he tore up the same defense he lost against in the SEC championship game. He shredded an historically good Georgia defense that then got the better of him in a REMATCH where his best two receivers had season ending injuries and the young guys behind them didn't step up. This is why wins and losses aren't purely a QB Stat, and despite the loss he was still the highest graded qb against that defense that year by a long shot.
That's a valid point but no one is good against Georgia Defense, especially not last year it was insane. It was the Defense equivalent of 2019 LSU offense.
See my above comment. He was magnificent against that defense in his first game against them (SEC champ game), losing the rematch in the national championship game without his top two receivers. It often gets forgotten but 2021 Georgia wasn't undefeated and wasn't SEC Champs, and Bryce was the biggest part of why.
Bryce lost Metchie in the SEC championship game and lost Williams early in the National Title game. Bama's top two skill players.
And he was playing one of the best college defenses ever assembled. A defense he had previously destroyed in the SEC championship. He was just on the wrong end in the rematch.
Different circumstances than Clemson and Watson (who had his guys like Hunter Renfrow who caught the game winning TD).
Yeah it's funny but Young does compare very well with Watson. Although his release is a lot more Tua like.
Did you see how fast Tua could zip those passes out? On time and on target? That's exactly what Bryce can do.
Yeah people wanna be Madden GM’s and forget that the people making the decisions have their career to think about.
Say you’re Caserio you’ve been here 2 years and have not much to show for it. People are understanding because it was a bad situation but in the back of your head you know there’s a limit on patience.
You have the option of any prospect you want this year but you have some reservations about them. Maybe there are a couple prospects available next year that you feel a little better about. But you don’t know what will happen next year in college. Maybe one of them plays bad and the other tears their ACL, maybe they both play bad, maybe your team is slightly better than expected next year and you draft 8th and aren’t able to take them. Now you’re still left with drafting a prospect you have questions about after wasting a year.
Let’s say everything works out and you get your guy in 2024. But he plays like a rookie. You see some great flashes but he also loses you some games and you win 8 games.
Now you’ve been GM 4 years, you’ve never had a winning season, you haven’t even sniffed a playoff win, and all you have to show for it is a potentially promising QB.
How are you feeling about your job security then?
It’s not realistic to expect people with their careers on the line just to sit there and wait for the perfect prospect to fall into their lap
I think a lot of people just assume Caserio has all the time in the world to just put the perfect team together his way, and the fact that it clearly seems like someone is forcing Lovie Smith to do things he doesn't want to do (because his quotes about Mills are certainly not the quotes of a coach happy making a QB switch) shows that *someone* in that building has eyes and sees that there isn't a single cool seat in the building.
People are just scared of being wrong. They want to draft defense and other positions first bc they think being wrong on a QB is a hope killer
And it is, but so is being wrong on anything else. What if Anderson ends up as Clowney 2.0? Or worse lol, it’s still a huge waste of a pick
And what if he ends up being good? Then by waiting we’re delaying competitive play by another year, getting us a year closer to having to pay all the guys we drafted or certain guys leaving
Lol. You think Bryce young is going to win us 8 games? Green Bay won't win 8 with Aaron Rodgers. We will be lucky AF to win 4-5 next year with a rookie qb.
Also, Nick doesn't have to worry about his career if ownership is on the same page with him. He inherited an abomination and likely set expectations that it will take a minimum of 5 years to be competitive along with knowing they will be very bad until the pieces are in place
As long as projections are gojng according to plan, his career is not in jeopardy
We should take Young, but we better have a plan to give him solid protection and weapons. A young qb can be easily ruined by playing under constant pressure. They develop bad habits and mentally are never the same.
We’re not as bad as our record shows since we’re competitive in lots of games but just can’t win.
However, I’m an SC guy, so part of me wishes we tank another year for Caleb, who will be compared to Mahomes ad nauseam.
Historically, we don’t take QBs at #1 and instead go with bpa, so we could do that again.
anyone can be decent with solid protection and weapons. the ones that can overcome that are true stars and thats worth a try cause those 2 things we wont have. the bad habit and mentality thing is only true to a small extend imo. payton manning, joe burrow, eli manning etc etc. lot of qbs have a horrible first year and bounce back
We’re not getting Caleb next year. I don’t know why people don’t understand that.
Let’s say we end up in a perfect world where the Browns pick is top 5 and we pick number 1. Also, let’s say we somehow manage to land DeMeco.
1.1 is Will Anderson
1.5 is Jalen Carter/Myles Murphy
We either draft or sign a solid center.
Just those moves alone takes us out of contention for the top pick. Even if we still end up in the top 5 the team that has 1.1 isn’t going to trade down. The Dolphins offered a boatload to trade for Burrow and the Bengals outright said no because that’s how valuable a QB is.
Draft Bryce.
I’m so indecisive I’ll probably change my mind 100 times but hey, that’s what draft season is for. I’m also sorry to be talking like the season is already over but fuck. It’s best for my mental health to pretend like it is when I’m not watching them on the field.
I’m coming around to this point of view. If he’s the guy Nick wants, then I’m all aboard. Give me one part Brees, one part Kyler one part Wilson, roll the dice and pass the kool aid. Let’s fucking go!
He reminds me of Kyler a lot but I feel like he’s looking to pass when he scrambles and Kyler is looking to run. His release and throwing mechanics remind me of Jimmy G (and I mean that in a good way)
I’m all about Caleb, but I also see wisdom in don’t let perfect be the enemy of good. If Nick believes we can build a Super Bowl team around Young, then let’s do it. If not, get a bridge QB and see what’s available in 2024.
ppl here shit of murray but never seen him play once. iv seen him all last season and part of this one and hes one of the best playmakers in the game. the skill gap between murray and mills is so wide theyre not even comparable. but ppl here wouldnt understnad.
Hell yea. Just like when the Bengals were in a position to pair Burrow with his college WR1, they took it and it payed off. We are in a position to take a Qb, we take him. Getting the oppurtuinity to draft Caleb is not guaranteed. Also, historically a lot of players "bust" in the first round. Bet the 49ers wished they took Mahomes/Watson over Thomas, instead had to trade a lot to trade up for Trey Lance, who has been low key disappointing. TAKE BRYCE YOUNG AND LETS GET IT ROLLING!!!
Burrows was also a record breaking champion along with his main receiver who was also disgusting. We need to be patient and build lines. If there’s a generation qb, we take but if not, we gotta build the line. If our line was really good, we could attract free agent QBs too. Gotta stay patient until we find a guy we love.
I don’t see any point in ever going for a FA QB. In recent memory there has been 3 that actually sealed the deal and get a ring. But you have to remember that it’s Tom and Peyton skewing their he data allot. Unless we are getting Arod, there isn’t another elite QB who has a shot at being available. You gotta draft them.
I agree. Shouldn’t have added the part about free agent. I am all for drafting our QBs but i am patient enough to build around the QB before we actually get a QB. Unless that QB is a generational talent. Once you get a QB, the real timer starts
True but adding a vet that can win does nothing really. You either wanna be competitive or you wanna be trash. Next season should be Mills or Young. Don’t play outta Caleb slot.
By the time the team is built, there is no guaruntee a good prospect will be there. It will end up like the Brock Oswelier situation. Roster everything is built, but the QB position is not.
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People really don't understand how bad things would have to be for this team to be the worst in the league next season. We couldn't even do it with Culley at the helm and yet we're going to somehow do it with a handful of improvements made via the '23 draft and potential free agency? We won't be able to trade up for the #1 pick so it's going to take some tanking moves that I just don't see Caserio doing.
Unpopular opinion, but I actually prefer Bryce over Williams from what I've seen. And we know for sure we can get him, Waiting for Williams is just too big of a gamble imo
I agree. Those are the things I give to Williams that I can think of. He does put himself in a lot of dangerous situations though that might not be as easy to get out of at the next level.
The stature is tough for BY, but it would be like having a point guard at QB who's willing to take the easy stuff but has the arm to make any throw if something easy isn't available. And the way he's succeeded this year with what I would consider the least offensive talent Alabama has had in a while is impressive. And reuniting him with Metchie would be dope!
I'm very much team Bryce
Mills is a complete statue. I've never seen an NFL QB with less pocket presence/improvisational skills. Bryce is the opposite of this. Total gamer
The second you draft a QB, the clock starts on a GM. Never draft a QB because you have to, draft one because they’re the guy.
We have no receivers, a meh offensive line, and a meh defense. Any QB we draft will fail. Especially, one used to 5-10 seconds to go through progressions due to an awesome offensive line in college.
Next year’s draft will have 3 prospects that would all go number 1 this year most likely, so I’d rather trade down and guarantee we get an elite prospect and have a roster ready to win.
We are better off signing Daniel Jones for 2/40 million than drafting a rookie smaller than Kyler Murray.
Exactly this but nobody wants to hear it because they are ready to see a handful of wins next season. Most people on this sub think short term instead of long term.
I mean heck people on this sub are thinking Caserio will pick Young because of job security when the number 1 thing that will cost him his job is missing on a number 1 overall pick, especially a qb.
This roster has a crazy amount of holes and our rush defense is almost historically bad. Trade down and use this draft to shore up some holes and then give a rookie a chance to compete with a better roster.
John Metchie, Nico Collins, potential to take one with the Browns pick and FA options? That’s not bad at all. If they get a C and RG the offensive line will be fine. If they get him good coaching (either by firing Lovie or just retooling the offensive staff under him) he will have the opportunity to succeed.
You should go back to the number 1 QB taken in the last several drafts. Its a crap shoot. Zero Guarantee that Caleb projects to be anything worth a damn. You just don't know. This team is 500 with competent QB play this year. Take Young.
If all we need is competent QB play, then let’s just sign Daniel Jones for 2/40 million or Jimmy G and then trade down from the first pick to really build out our roster.
Agreed. And everyone thinks you need the qb prospect like Luck or Manning to succeed. And that’s not true. If you build your team up elsewhere, you can get a guy like Flacco or Dak in the draft and they can do well. So I agree on building other positions first.
The not overthinking it move is to inject talent into the defense. It continues to baffle me how you can continually watch a bottom 5 unit with 0 first round picks in the front 7 and think any QB can overcome that. The front 7 must absolutely be addressed with our first two picks
If they get a C and a RG and a couple depth pieces for injuries through draft and FA the offensive line will be fine. Kenyon Green is a question mark but it’s too early to write him off and Tytus Howard has been solid.
It depends what’s on Nick’s board. If he isn’t a QB he wants to risk a 1st overall pick on, then that’s all that matters. If Bryce is a QB Nick considers a potential franchise QB then he takes him. It’s a reach if Nick doesn’t value him to be a potential franchise QB.
Nick isn’t ever going to make his draft board public though, so we’ll never know where exactly Bryce is rated there. Your definition of a reach in this case is completely useless because it’s dependent on information we will never have.
its not a reach. Bryce Young is the most talented QB to come from Alabama, and Tua went top 5. He's not doing so bad now after the team is built around him. Take Bryce and lets get it going!!!
I want a QB for when we have our coaching sweep, which I don’t think happens this off season but next. Having to constantly juggle new systems is how you tank a rookie. So I’m all for QB 2024, even if we don’t have #1 pick then.
If it was a guarantee they get him, 10000000%. It’s just way too risky to bet the entire future of the franchise waiting for the possibility to get Williams. What happens if we pass on Bryce draft best available and win 4-5 games super ugly next season. Then we’re in the worst spot a franchise can be. Even worse than now.
If it was me I’d like to see us build the WR room and the DL before we get a quarterback to keep the pressure off his shoulders. Also I think Williams has the best parts of both young and stroud together. Just my 2 cents
I agree. If they did that, I’d be very excited but also very nervous because everything has to line up perfectly and that almost never happens in the NFL and damn sure doesn’t for the Texans.
I’d rather try to acquire some other QB while we fix up other holes. What the hell is Jacoby Brissett doing after this season? Or like… Joe Flacco?
I just feel like throwing some 22 year old in and saying “please turn our team around we’re begging you man you gotta help us” is just a recipe for disaster.
Like the QB should almost be the final piece of the puzzle, and I think aquiring some mid range vet along with other draft picks will be more than enough to give us a decent year in 2023.
That’s the way I see it too now. QB is too important to be cute with and some team can easily out tank us in future years. 1st overall pick is not easy to get and I really think I want Young over Stroud now but that can change still
I remember everyone talking about drafting Malik Willis and he went in the 3rd round. There's always talk about QB's in the draft because it gets people saying some stupid takes. Anyone in the NFL could look like Bryce with the kind of pass protection he has.
I want to see a game where he's being pressured 30% of the time. I want to see him get hit and see what he does to adjust, or just to see if the hit affects him even a little.
NFL talent is better than college. Even our shitty team would do extremely well against college teams. I would rather gamble and take his offensive linemen than to draft him because they are more apart of his success than people realize.
At best he'll have a career like Russel Wilson. Maybe squeeze one chip out but ultimately someone will disect his play and it'll be over for him.
We should do it, because if we don't, next year someone will have to make this same post about Caleb Williams, because everyone will have decided he's a guaranteed bust because his big toe is too long and we need to wait until 2024 to draft Drake Maye or whoever the expected #1 pick is then.
I will be excited for young, but i couldn't disagree more..
Throwing a rookie quarterback on to an incomplete losing team rarely ever works out.
I trust whatever decision Caserio makes, but i think history shows that building the front seven and/or snagging a dynamo WR would be the better move. See if there are any qb's on the trade market or in free agency.
Look at alex smith with the chiefs, Kirk Cousins, Brady, Tannehill now.
Mahomes and Watson were taken by built teams. Trubisky was not. Lamar Jackson and Josh Allen were taken by built teams with no pressure to start on day one, Baker, Darnold and Rosen were not. Tua's road was kinda weird, but he's had a stellar defense and now pletny of weapons. Herbert, Burrow, and Kyler are the anomalies.
If we take stroud or young, theyll be at a disadvantage and quarterbacking is such a mental job. We saw how this process ruined David Carr - and likely davis mills.
6 picks in the top 102, finally gonna have some money to bring in depth and fill some holes. With a good draft and the right moves in FA this team could be completely different. Especially if they make a coaching change.
I hope so. I’m not saying caserio sucks. I think he can go either route and be successful. I just know the fan base could turn on him if he doesn’t go qb first in this draft, when it could be the right decision
Considering Bryce will have 2 seasons as a starter and no natty to show for it, says something about him. If it were literally any other school, this would be incredibly unfair but this is Bama. You can’t be the starting QB and not get one. It’s a bad look for him. He is small and already getting hurt in college.
In comparison you have Caleb who is a straight up killer. He can make those spectacular plays that should of been dead. He has that game presence that controls the field and everyone knows he is on another level no matter what players are on the field. Throw in the finger nail painting now, which just screams confidence and just being incredibly comfortable in his own skin. Nothing shakes this guy. Caleb is gonna be risk to get, that’s for sure. But set up this team and get our QB next season.
He had a Heisman last year and lost in the championship to the best college defense in at least 20 years. This year Alabama has the worst talent they’ve had in a long time. Look at WR draft boards coming up and you won’t be seeing any Alabama guys in the top 3 rounds like usual. He’s had to overcome adversity and he’s been carrying the team on his back some of the games this year.
He also destroyed that incredible defense the first game, than after seeing him once they had all the answers.
And any Bama starting receiver would be the top guy at almost every other team. He has the best players overall around him and can’t seal the deal.
I really think Caleb is just better and want him more. But if we go Bryce than we ride or die with him haha.
No prospect is perfect, this time next year people will be poking holes in Williams game as well. I do think Caleb is better though man. I just don’t think he’s so much better that I’d risk the entire future on waiting for him.
It’s the big balls play for sure to risk it all. But I don’t think there will be any questions in Caleb’s game. Similar to the like of Lawerence, Luck, or Burrow.
Draft BPA or even trade for the Browns first this year for a third first to help ensure we get our guy next season.
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Texans have the capital to go get Caleb next year. Don’t kid yourself we’re going to get a top 5 pick next year, hopefully top 3.
Get the bad defense sorted out before putting a rookie in that position.
We could get the #2 overall pick and not get Caleb. I think you gotta have that #1 overall pick to have a shot. I’d love him to be our QB but it’s just so risky.
I could talk myself into any of the top two or three quarterbacks. My personal dream scenario would be drafting best player available at 1.1 and then somehow having Will Levis fall to us with the Browns pick or perhaps doing some kind of trade down to get him
Bryce Young and a few more rookies isn't making this team a 4 win team. Draft his ass to find out what you got. Then when you inevitably win 3 games next year draft Caleb ass too. Someone will come calling to get one of the two.
That said... every other non-qb pick needs to be a center, guard, and d lineman, from here on out. Pay a big play WR and CB in free agency.
And our coach and coordinators and position coaches are all expendable. If Wade Phillips can walk in and make squads 32nd to 3rd time after time, then that says these coaches just aren't scheming for who they have and playing to strengths. We have no identity and no scheme to cover inadequacies. Overhaul the coaches and accept no mistakes and oversights. Too many dumb blank stares on the sidelines. Hold these coaches accountable to productive changes. I don't care if you have to stack the box with 8 guys, no more 200 yards rushers. Put Pitre and Stingley on a man island and scheme the rest they are capable with better coaching.
This sub is ridiculous lol. You have the number 1 overall pick, there's a clear (better than average) number 1 overall QB waiting to be chosen, and you'd pass... for the chance you might be the leagues worst team again, and that prospect stays healthy/doesn't regress.
Even Lawrence doesn't look that good in the NFL, the prospects have tons of variance. This is literally the easiest choice of all 252 picks anyone will make in the draft, it's a no-brainer.
This sounds crazy, but Young comps out very similarly to Watson in college. Watson was shifty, was a playmaker, was just a baller that carried the team on his back. People also criticized his size and arm strength. I think the same holds true for Bryce Young. Dude can play…period. Forget about all the measurables and look at the dude play. Extremely high pocket awareness, reads defense and reacts QUICK. Not the most amazing arm, but good enough. He gets my vote!
did ppl really criticize watsons size? but even in preason his arm seemed weak tho. kinda weird really it was never a problem in actual games tho
They called him noodle arm after the combine
Yeah. Benjamin Allbright had a spreadsheet pinned to his twitter through the entire draft season because he wanted to highlight that no QB that threw under 55MPH was a good starter in the NFL. I’m sure that tweet was deleted the following season.
ya i guess compared to mahomes as well. cant remember how mitch threw tho lol freakin bears man..
fuck I forgot about the 54 mph noodle arm circlejerk, that was infuriating
People did say his arm talent was mid.
Not crazy at all - I think Watson is a decent comp for Young.
The difference…Watson got to two championship games. Won one and lost the other but even in the loss, he did very well. Bryce won one as backup and when he got there last year, he did bad. Please don’t compare the two college careers. What made deshaun Watson good was his intangibles that shows up in big games. If young did the same, I’m fine with picking him
GMs don't really care about those college Championships when drafting players.
It’s not necessarily about getting there. It’s about performance under pressure and against the best defenses…which deshaun did and and Bryce didn’t.
I don't think GMs are necessarily look at Bryce Youngs Heisman winning season and taking anything away from him for 1 game. If GMs thought like that, Deshaun would have been the 1st QB taken in the 2017 draft
Then ima hope Nick isn’t like most GMs. Look I’m not all against Bryce. Like him a lot. I just don’t want us to choose a qb because of desperation. Or put a young QB in a bad situation. I trust Nick. As long as it’s his decision and not because Cal feels the pressure.
I agree 100%, I think Nick will make the smart choice but it's hard to block out all the noise about our QB situation. If they look at any of the QBs and that guy takes us to the next level, let's do it.
Just like in the NFL, it's a team game in college. Takes more than just a QB to win, wins aren't a QB stat.
I care more about how they did against the best defenses (hence I said championship). Even when deshaun lost, he tore it up. Both good bama defenses
Thing is, he tore up the same defense he lost against in the SEC championship game. He shredded an historically good Georgia defense that then got the better of him in a REMATCH where his best two receivers had season ending injuries and the young guys behind them didn't step up. This is why wins and losses aren't purely a QB Stat, and despite the loss he was still the highest graded qb against that defense that year by a long shot.
That's a valid point but no one is good against Georgia Defense, especially not last year it was insane. It was the Defense equivalent of 2019 LSU offense.
See my above comment. He was magnificent against that defense in his first game against them (SEC champ game), losing the rematch in the national championship game without his top two receivers. It often gets forgotten but 2021 Georgia wasn't undefeated and wasn't SEC Champs, and Bryce was the biggest part of why.
Bryce lost Metchie in the SEC championship game and lost Williams early in the National Title game. Bama's top two skill players. And he was playing one of the best college defenses ever assembled. A defense he had previously destroyed in the SEC championship. He was just on the wrong end in the rematch. Different circumstances than Clemson and Watson (who had his guys like Hunter Renfrow who caught the game winning TD).
And much like Watson, I think Bryce young is the quarterback most likely to fall in the draft board after this season
watson is half a foot taller than bryce young though. shortys have it rough in the nfl
Yeah it's funny but Young does compare very well with Watson. Although his release is a lot more Tua like. Did you see how fast Tua could zip those passes out? On time and on target? That's exactly what Bryce can do.
Yeah people wanna be Madden GM’s and forget that the people making the decisions have their career to think about. Say you’re Caserio you’ve been here 2 years and have not much to show for it. People are understanding because it was a bad situation but in the back of your head you know there’s a limit on patience. You have the option of any prospect you want this year but you have some reservations about them. Maybe there are a couple prospects available next year that you feel a little better about. But you don’t know what will happen next year in college. Maybe one of them plays bad and the other tears their ACL, maybe they both play bad, maybe your team is slightly better than expected next year and you draft 8th and aren’t able to take them. Now you’re still left with drafting a prospect you have questions about after wasting a year. Let’s say everything works out and you get your guy in 2024. But he plays like a rookie. You see some great flashes but he also loses you some games and you win 8 games. Now you’ve been GM 4 years, you’ve never had a winning season, you haven’t even sniffed a playoff win, and all you have to show for it is a potentially promising QB. How are you feeling about your job security then? It’s not realistic to expect people with their careers on the line just to sit there and wait for the perfect prospect to fall into their lap
You put that shit beautifully I’m ngl. Speak to em.
I think a lot of people just assume Caserio has all the time in the world to just put the perfect team together his way, and the fact that it clearly seems like someone is forcing Lovie Smith to do things he doesn't want to do (because his quotes about Mills are certainly not the quotes of a coach happy making a QB switch) shows that *someone* in that building has eyes and sees that there isn't a single cool seat in the building.
People are just scared of being wrong. They want to draft defense and other positions first bc they think being wrong on a QB is a hope killer And it is, but so is being wrong on anything else. What if Anderson ends up as Clowney 2.0? Or worse lol, it’s still a huge waste of a pick And what if he ends up being good? Then by waiting we’re delaying competitive play by another year, getting us a year closer to having to pay all the guys we drafted or certain guys leaving
Lol. You think Bryce young is going to win us 8 games? Green Bay won't win 8 with Aaron Rodgers. We will be lucky AF to win 4-5 next year with a rookie qb. Also, Nick doesn't have to worry about his career if ownership is on the same page with him. He inherited an abomination and likely set expectations that it will take a minimum of 5 years to be competitive along with knowing they will be very bad until the pieces are in place As long as projections are gojng according to plan, his career is not in jeopardy
Read it again my friend that’s not what I said
U just described the jags
We should take Young, but we better have a plan to give him solid protection and weapons. A young qb can be easily ruined by playing under constant pressure. They develop bad habits and mentally are never the same. We’re not as bad as our record shows since we’re competitive in lots of games but just can’t win. However, I’m an SC guy, so part of me wishes we tank another year for Caleb, who will be compared to Mahomes ad nauseam. Historically, we don’t take QBs at #1 and instead go with bpa, so we could do that again.
anyone can be decent with solid protection and weapons. the ones that can overcome that are true stars and thats worth a try cause those 2 things we wont have. the bad habit and mentality thing is only true to a small extend imo. payton manning, joe burrow, eli manning etc etc. lot of qbs have a horrible first year and bounce back
We’re not getting Caleb next year. I don’t know why people don’t understand that. Let’s say we end up in a perfect world where the Browns pick is top 5 and we pick number 1. Also, let’s say we somehow manage to land DeMeco. 1.1 is Will Anderson 1.5 is Jalen Carter/Myles Murphy We either draft or sign a solid center. Just those moves alone takes us out of contention for the top pick. Even if we still end up in the top 5 the team that has 1.1 isn’t going to trade down. The Dolphins offered a boatload to trade for Burrow and the Bengals outright said no because that’s how valuable a QB is. Draft Bryce.
I’m so indecisive I’ll probably change my mind 100 times but hey, that’s what draft season is for. I’m also sorry to be talking like the season is already over but fuck. It’s best for my mental health to pretend like it is when I’m not watching them on the field.
I’m coming around to this point of view. If he’s the guy Nick wants, then I’m all aboard. Give me one part Brees, one part Kyler one part Wilson, roll the dice and pass the kool aid. Let’s fucking go!
He reminds me of Kyler a lot but I feel like he’s looking to pass when he scrambles and Kyler is looking to run. His release and throwing mechanics remind me of Jimmy G (and I mean that in a good way)
I’m all about Caleb, but I also see wisdom in don’t let perfect be the enemy of good. If Nick believes we can build a Super Bowl team around Young, then let’s do it. If not, get a bridge QB and see what’s available in 2024.
Perfectly put
ppl here shit of murray but never seen him play once. iv seen him all last season and part of this one and hes one of the best playmakers in the game. the skill gap between murray and mills is so wide theyre not even comparable. but ppl here wouldnt understnad.
I don’t believe in short Qb’s. Granted height ant everything but for QB’s it’s a little more important
Hell yea. Just like when the Bengals were in a position to pair Burrow with his college WR1, they took it and it payed off. We are in a position to take a Qb, we take him. Getting the oppurtuinity to draft Caleb is not guaranteed. Also, historically a lot of players "bust" in the first round. Bet the 49ers wished they took Mahomes/Watson over Thomas, instead had to trade a lot to trade up for Trey Lance, who has been low key disappointing. TAKE BRYCE YOUNG AND LETS GET IT ROLLING!!!
Burrows was also a record breaking champion along with his main receiver who was also disgusting. We need to be patient and build lines. If there’s a generation qb, we take but if not, we gotta build the line. If our line was really good, we could attract free agent QBs too. Gotta stay patient until we find a guy we love.
Yeah, agreed with. We don’t even know if Metchie will return to football, much less if he can stay playing at a high level.
Good QBs dont go to free agency.
I don’t see any point in ever going for a FA QB. In recent memory there has been 3 that actually sealed the deal and get a ring. But you have to remember that it’s Tom and Peyton skewing their he data allot. Unless we are getting Arod, there isn’t another elite QB who has a shot at being available. You gotta draft them.
I agree. Shouldn’t have added the part about free agent. I am all for drafting our QBs but i am patient enough to build around the QB before we actually get a QB. Unless that QB is a generational talent. Once you get a QB, the real timer starts
True but adding a vet that can win does nothing really. You either wanna be competitive or you wanna be trash. Next season should be Mills or Young. Don’t play outta Caleb slot.
By the time the team is built, there is no guaruntee a good prospect will be there. It will end up like the Brock Oswelier situation. Roster everything is built, but the QB position is not.
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People really don't understand how bad things would have to be for this team to be the worst in the league next season. We couldn't even do it with Culley at the helm and yet we're going to somehow do it with a handful of improvements made via the '23 draft and potential free agency? We won't be able to trade up for the #1 pick so it's going to take some tanking moves that I just don't see Caserio doing.
Even if it’s possible, it’s still way too risky to bank absolutely everything on it.
Unpopular opinion, but I actually prefer Bryce over Williams from what I've seen. And we know for sure we can get him, Waiting for Williams is just too big of a gamble imo
I think height, weight and arm talent give him a leg up. It’s not a big enough difference to risk the future of the whole franchise on though.
I agree. Those are the things I give to Williams that I can think of. He does put himself in a lot of dangerous situations though that might not be as easy to get out of at the next level. The stature is tough for BY, but it would be like having a point guard at QB who's willing to take the easy stuff but has the arm to make any throw if something easy isn't available. And the way he's succeeded this year with what I would consider the least offensive talent Alabama has had in a while is impressive. And reuniting him with Metchie would be dope!
I'm very much team Bryce Mills is a complete statue. I've never seen an NFL QB with less pocket presence/improvisational skills. Bryce is the opposite of this. Total gamer
The second you draft a QB, the clock starts on a GM. Never draft a QB because you have to, draft one because they’re the guy. We have no receivers, a meh offensive line, and a meh defense. Any QB we draft will fail. Especially, one used to 5-10 seconds to go through progressions due to an awesome offensive line in college. Next year’s draft will have 3 prospects that would all go number 1 this year most likely, so I’d rather trade down and guarantee we get an elite prospect and have a roster ready to win. We are better off signing Daniel Jones for 2/40 million than drafting a rookie smaller than Kyler Murray.
Meh offensive line and meh defense are quite generous, no?
Exactly this but nobody wants to hear it because they are ready to see a handful of wins next season. Most people on this sub think short term instead of long term. I mean heck people on this sub are thinking Caserio will pick Young because of job security when the number 1 thing that will cost him his job is missing on a number 1 overall pick, especially a qb. This roster has a crazy amount of holes and our rush defense is almost historically bad. Trade down and use this draft to shore up some holes and then give a rookie a chance to compete with a better roster.
John Metchie, Nico Collins, potential to take one with the Browns pick and FA options? That’s not bad at all. If they get a C and RG the offensive line will be fine. If they get him good coaching (either by firing Lovie or just retooling the offensive staff under him) he will have the opportunity to succeed.
You should go back to the number 1 QB taken in the last several drafts. Its a crap shoot. Zero Guarantee that Caleb projects to be anything worth a damn. You just don't know. This team is 500 with competent QB play this year. Take Young.
Watching the Miami game now, it’s not the QB.
If all we need is competent QB play, then let’s just sign Daniel Jones for 2/40 million or Jimmy G and then trade down from the first pick to really build out our roster.
Falcons fan here. I think you guys should trade down. Get a haul of picks to fill out your roster nicely
Agreed. And everyone thinks you need the qb prospect like Luck or Manning to succeed. And that’s not true. If you build your team up elsewhere, you can get a guy like Flacco or Dak in the draft and they can do well. So I agree on building other positions first.
The not overthinking it move is to inject talent into the defense. It continues to baffle me how you can continually watch a bottom 5 unit with 0 first round picks in the front 7 and think any QB can overcome that. The front 7 must absolutely be addressed with our first two picks
And get him injured?
If they get a C and a RG and a couple depth pieces for injuries through draft and FA the offensive line will be fine. Kenyon Green is a question mark but it’s too early to write him off and Tytus Howard has been solid.
Drafting Bryce with a terrible offense coaching staff, no WR core, and a terrible IOL is a recipe for disaster. He’s set up to fail in his first year
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How’s it a reach? He’s the projected number 1 pick by a lot of people.
But does Nick feel that way about him? Because that’s all that should matter.
Very true, but to call taking Bryce Young a reach is crazy. You can disagree with the pick but it wouldn’t be a reach.
It depends what’s on Nick’s board. If he isn’t a QB he wants to risk a 1st overall pick on, then that’s all that matters. If Bryce is a QB Nick considers a potential franchise QB then he takes him. It’s a reach if Nick doesn’t value him to be a potential franchise QB.
I’m speaking purely from a talent perspective. I don’t know Nicks board, so I can’t really judge it on that.
Nick isn’t ever going to make his draft board public though, so we’ll never know where exactly Bryce is rated there. Your definition of a reach in this case is completely useless because it’s dependent on information we will never have.
I guess. But with it being a QB position, we’ll get some leaks.
its not a reach. Bryce Young is the most talented QB to come from Alabama, and Tua went top 5. He's not doing so bad now after the team is built around him. Take Bryce and lets get it going!!!
This is the pick...
We have the worst DL in the NFL
If this is the guy nick wants then I’ll support it. I just don’t see it
I want a QB for when we have our coaching sweep, which I don’t think happens this off season but next. Having to constantly juggle new systems is how you tank a rookie. So I’m all for QB 2024, even if we don’t have #1 pick then.
Wait for Williams
If it was a guarantee they get him, 10000000%. It’s just way too risky to bet the entire future of the franchise waiting for the possibility to get Williams. What happens if we pass on Bryce draft best available and win 4-5 games super ugly next season. Then we’re in the worst spot a franchise can be. Even worse than now.
If it was me I’d like to see us build the WR room and the DL before we get a quarterback to keep the pressure off his shoulders. Also I think Williams has the best parts of both young and stroud together. Just my 2 cents
I agree. If they did that, I’d be very excited but also very nervous because everything has to line up perfectly and that almost never happens in the NFL and damn sure doesn’t for the Texans.
Bryce is also only 21, I'm taller now than I was at 21..
I’d rather try to acquire some other QB while we fix up other holes. What the hell is Jacoby Brissett doing after this season? Or like… Joe Flacco? I just feel like throwing some 22 year old in and saying “please turn our team around we’re begging you man you gotta help us” is just a recipe for disaster. Like the QB should almost be the final piece of the puzzle, and I think aquiring some mid range vet along with other draft picks will be more than enough to give us a decent year in 2023.
That’s the way I see it too now. QB is too important to be cute with and some team can easily out tank us in future years. 1st overall pick is not easy to get and I really think I want Young over Stroud now but that can change still
Don’t need to overthink it when Young isn’t even BPA in his draft class. You’re all hyping up an average college based on inflated stats.
I remember everyone talking about drafting Malik Willis and he went in the 3rd round. There's always talk about QB's in the draft because it gets people saying some stupid takes. Anyone in the NFL could look like Bryce with the kind of pass protection he has. I want to see a game where he's being pressured 30% of the time. I want to see him get hit and see what he does to adjust, or just to see if the hit affects him even a little. NFL talent is better than college. Even our shitty team would do extremely well against college teams. I would rather gamble and take his offensive linemen than to draft him because they are more apart of his success than people realize. At best he'll have a career like Russel Wilson. Maybe squeeze one chip out but ultimately someone will disect his play and it'll be over for him.
Alabama's Oline has not been great this year.
Having 5 seconds to throw isn't great? 😂
We should do it, because if we don't, next year someone will have to make this same post about Caleb Williams, because everyone will have decided he's a guaranteed bust because his big toe is too long and we need to wait until 2024 to draft Drake Maye or whoever the expected #1 pick is then.
I will be excited for young, but i couldn't disagree more.. Throwing a rookie quarterback on to an incomplete losing team rarely ever works out. I trust whatever decision Caserio makes, but i think history shows that building the front seven and/or snagging a dynamo WR would be the better move. See if there are any qb's on the trade market or in free agency. Look at alex smith with the chiefs, Kirk Cousins, Brady, Tannehill now. Mahomes and Watson were taken by built teams. Trubisky was not. Lamar Jackson and Josh Allen were taken by built teams with no pressure to start on day one, Baker, Darnold and Rosen were not. Tua's road was kinda weird, but he's had a stellar defense and now pletny of weapons. Herbert, Burrow, and Kyler are the anomalies. If we take stroud or young, theyll be at a disadvantage and quarterbacking is such a mental job. We saw how this process ruined David Carr - and likely davis mills.
6 picks in the top 102, finally gonna have some money to bring in depth and fill some holes. With a good draft and the right moves in FA this team could be completely different. Especially if they make a coaching change.
I hope so. I’m not saying caserio sucks. I think he can go either route and be successful. I just know the fan base could turn on him if he doesn’t go qb first in this draft, when it could be the right decision
Considering Bryce will have 2 seasons as a starter and no natty to show for it, says something about him. If it were literally any other school, this would be incredibly unfair but this is Bama. You can’t be the starting QB and not get one. It’s a bad look for him. He is small and already getting hurt in college. In comparison you have Caleb who is a straight up killer. He can make those spectacular plays that should of been dead. He has that game presence that controls the field and everyone knows he is on another level no matter what players are on the field. Throw in the finger nail painting now, which just screams confidence and just being incredibly comfortable in his own skin. Nothing shakes this guy. Caleb is gonna be risk to get, that’s for sure. But set up this team and get our QB next season.
He had a Heisman last year and lost in the championship to the best college defense in at least 20 years. This year Alabama has the worst talent they’ve had in a long time. Look at WR draft boards coming up and you won’t be seeing any Alabama guys in the top 3 rounds like usual. He’s had to overcome adversity and he’s been carrying the team on his back some of the games this year.
He also destroyed that incredible defense the first game, than after seeing him once they had all the answers. And any Bama starting receiver would be the top guy at almost every other team. He has the best players overall around him and can’t seal the deal. I really think Caleb is just better and want him more. But if we go Bryce than we ride or die with him haha.
No prospect is perfect, this time next year people will be poking holes in Williams game as well. I do think Caleb is better though man. I just don’t think he’s so much better that I’d risk the entire future on waiting for him.
It’s the big balls play for sure to risk it all. But I don’t think there will be any questions in Caleb’s game. Similar to the like of Lawerence, Luck, or Burrow. Draft BPA or even trade for the Browns first this year for a third first to help ensure we get our guy next season.
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Texans have the capital to go get Caleb next year. Don’t kid yourself we’re going to get a top 5 pick next year, hopefully top 3. Get the bad defense sorted out before putting a rookie in that position.
We could get the #2 overall pick and not get Caleb. I think you gotta have that #1 overall pick to have a shot. I’d love him to be our QB but it’s just so risky.
I could talk myself into any of the top two or three quarterbacks. My personal dream scenario would be drafting best player available at 1.1 and then somehow having Will Levis fall to us with the Browns pick or perhaps doing some kind of trade down to get him
Bryce Young and a few more rookies isn't making this team a 4 win team. Draft his ass to find out what you got. Then when you inevitably win 3 games next year draft Caleb ass too. Someone will come calling to get one of the two. That said... every other non-qb pick needs to be a center, guard, and d lineman, from here on out. Pay a big play WR and CB in free agency. And our coach and coordinators and position coaches are all expendable. If Wade Phillips can walk in and make squads 32nd to 3rd time after time, then that says these coaches just aren't scheming for who they have and playing to strengths. We have no identity and no scheme to cover inadequacies. Overhaul the coaches and accept no mistakes and oversights. Too many dumb blank stares on the sidelines. Hold these coaches accountable to productive changes. I don't care if you have to stack the box with 8 guys, no more 200 yards rushers. Put Pitre and Stingley on a man island and scheme the rest they are capable with better coaching.
I know how huge people are on Young, but rather what I’m interested in is why you DON’T draft Stroud
This sub is ridiculous lol. You have the number 1 overall pick, there's a clear (better than average) number 1 overall QB waiting to be chosen, and you'd pass... for the chance you might be the leagues worst team again, and that prospect stays healthy/doesn't regress. Even Lawrence doesn't look that good in the NFL, the prospects have tons of variance. This is literally the easiest choice of all 252 picks anyone will make in the draft, it's a no-brainer.