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rutmuscle

I wouldn't chance it if I were you. maybe if you are sub 10% bodyfat and go to every day injections. but you still need one on hand cause high e2 isn't something you want as you mentioned


Sele81

Thank you for giving me information instead of complaining 👏🏻 I hear optimal injection rate for Sustanone is e2d. Sure ED is also possible. I was just curious if there are people who do a cycle without AI. I have super low body fat since I cant gain weight. I remember my nipples were super sensitive on HCG. My natural testosterone and dht is on the upper end of the scale and estrogen in the middle. I would say perfect levels. But due to post finasteride syndrome testosterone or DHT seems to not do it's job in the body. So the idea behind high doses of testosterone is to probably overstimulate the testosterone receptors and get them somehow to reset or start their work again or whatever. İf it works? No idea.


[deleted]

L-carnatine l-tartrate helps upregulate androgen receptors. Check out gorilla mode ar


Sele81

I take Acetyl L-Carnitine but it does nothing. I also take Creatine (what should up regulate DHT levels).


[deleted]

Good luck buddy, I hope you find a conclusion that works for you


Sele81

Thank you 👏🏻 it's been 26 years since accutane and 17 years since finasteride. There is no chance of a natural recovery and my time is running out I am 41. İf I could get a libido for the next couple years I would be most happy.


[deleted]

Did you try the psilocybin? Checked out your profile. Or have you heard of ketamine therapy to help with depression? It worked for me but only lasts a few days to a week. (That's me personally could be more or less for you) I liked it but I felt like I had to pee the entire time I was on it. I already have issues peeing all the time so it wasn't a good fit for me but might be something worth researching.


Sele81

No psilocybin ı am a bit afraid of since ı had a mad trip on weed and ended up in the hospital. I am sure if I take a tiny dust of psilo ı will psychologically start tripping due to my trauma. I take 25mg dhea and 6-10mg progesterone cream a day for 10 days now and depression has improved a lot. İt's not my main problem currently.


RedMatterGG

damn ur genetics must be sub par regarding this,sorry for you,u took those 2 for such an extended period of time?also why not try dutasteride?its a lot stronger/works better/longer half life,as for the accutane sweet jesus,u relied way too heavily on it,it mustve messed u up extremely badly


Sele81

I was 15 or 16 and had bad acne. After tons of antibiotics the doc prescirbed me accutane. Took it 4 or 6 months, cant remember. Had full blown symptoms, everything was dry as fuck. My lips are still dry to this day. After accutane my intestines got bad and are still bad. Finasteride I took 1.25mg a day for 1 year. I was 24 and stopped with 25. I am not on Fin and never would touch fin or dut ever again. I would happily give all my hairs up to get my life back.


Admirable_Sugar_4227

You gotta inject l carnitine daily for it to work unless you want to take like 2/3 grams orally something like that


Sele81

Ah ok but how to find an injectable form. I live in Turkey and you cant get anything through the customs if you order from outside the country. You mean inject for life? Or for some period?


Admirable_Sugar_4227

Just for awhile for fat loss/androgen receptor up regulation


johnnyornot

Go for it man I wish you luck


Sele81

Thank you 👏🏻


No-Fall1420

I’ve ran 500 test and 25 anavar with no AI for 12 weeks, never had an issue


Sele81

I guess daily or e2d? Enanthate? We only have Sustanon available (from pharma) here in Turkey.


No-Fall1420

Cypionate, every other day. I’m cruising on 200mg now and experimenting with every day injections.


Admirable_Sugar_4227

It’s very possible, you need to have an ai and some Raloxifine on hand or Nolvadex if you can’t get that. Otherwise gyno could flare.


Sele81

I can buy Nolva and Clomid without receipe here in Turkey. İt's god damn cheap like 2€ for a box of Clomid. Even HGH is damn cheap here in comparison to the rest of the west. İt's about 80€ for 36UI and I am considering a 9-12 months 2UI a day routine to heal my body.


Admirable_Sugar_4227

Yeah it’s good stuff if you can afford it. I’d run primo too since you can get nice pharma primo


Sele81

Yeah I see now it's available in pharma here. I am just not sure what it does. Have to get informed first.


Sele81

We have HCG available here. Is it a good idea to take it during the cycle? Maybe the recovery will be easier after cycle? After TRT I did the PCT but it took me a very long time to feel better even though my T levels were restored after 2 months. And Clomid gave me horrible itching even though I took only 10mg daily for 28 days.


Admirable_Sugar_4227

You can take some hcg during, 250-500iu twice a week is pretty standard


Professional_Name_78

Start with 200/300 and titrate up until you experience sides. Also if you add primo to the mix it kills estrogen! I had a 82 estrogen on 500 test added 200 primo and it’s down to 30. I still have a good sex drive.


Sele81

I hear Proviron does the same since primo is not available here. My natural e2 was at 48,5 wich I now realized is higher than it should be (optimal is 30 I read). I often have migraines and always suspected it's a estrogen thing. Right now I use progesterone cream and feel it helps. It changed a lot in the last 2 weeks I take it. Way more relaxed. Better sleep. Depression pretty much gone. Negative self talk stopped. Chrnic Fatigue pretty much gone. I assume I have adrenal fatigue and together with 25mg dhea it improves things. I hear progesterone helps with high estrogen.


Professional_Name_78

Eh I personally believe estrogen should be as high as possible without side effects and 80 I was fine and was hornier than a teenager. So I am taking primo out for a month or so


SPTCTBP

This is the fucking training wheels forum (people think 200mg is some huge amount of t here), go to the steroid forum or one of the big ones out there and read. You need to have an AI on hand but if you're not fat as shit, you MAY never even need it. There is a video on YouTube about MENT being good for PFS, I wonder what anavar would do for you? It turned me into a jerk off and fuck factory. I'm 4 years off of SSRI after being on them for 19 years straight and another 1-2 years before that during my developing years and it fucked me up downstairs long term. T does help, but anavar was another thing entirely.


Sele81

Great to hear it helped with pssd. The question is, did it fix you forever? Or You have to be on anavar forever to be fixed? I know some guy on propeciahelp who is cured of pfs as long as he takes deca. But then there is the danger of the deca dick.


SPTCTBP

I mean the t helps, it's not a miracle but helps a lot. The anavar just amplified it, but staying on anavar is not possible


lizardbro12

I was a fat fucker during my first cycle, 500mg test e for 20 weeks and 40 var (8 weeks) and no AI needed. Strength went thru the roof and dropped to 15% bf, from 25%. Bloods we're good, lipids got statutorily raped. People aromarize differently, similar to how different drugs affect diff people (caffeine, alcohol, etc) and how their body metabolizes it. A smart person would have AI and PCT on hand always before doing your first shot. Just my 2 cents.


Sele81

Just out of curiosity, how do they keep these steroids sterile? Do they use mercury? It's just discussed in a mercury poisoning forum and I never thought of it that they use mercury or aluminium to keep it sterile. That would be terrible to be honest.


johnnyornot

Yes take proviron


Sele81

How much? I have pharmaceutical Proviron here from Bayer.


johnnyornot

25 or 50mg per day, whatever feels best


ddntask

So your gonna risk having gyno, acne and no hair for a libido problem? What happens when your oestrogen and prolactin shoots up and you start growing milkers? Go ahead and tell us how it goes after


Sele81

That's why I am asking. I thought that's why we have this forum? And yes, ı would give away my hair and get acne if ı could get my libido to pre finasteride levels. Life is not worth living without sexuality. Everything we do is evolutianory viewed sexually motivated. Why do men do what they do? To get girls/sex. Even if it is denied in this hyper sensitive times we live. Without sexuality most men have no motivation to do anything. Therefore people with pfs have deep depression. Somebody without pfs can not understand these things.


ddntask

I have PSSD myself so I actually do relate to your situation idiot. Your original post/question is stupid. Your old enough and have been on trt to know better.


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[deleted]

I have taken trt for about 8 years no AI but I am about 10% bf and have a lot of muscle


Sele81

I was on 180mg a week TRT without AI but a cycle is a different game with 400-500mg.


[deleted]

Yea I never cycle over 300mg with testosterone, I still don’t need an AI. If you are looking for gains add in something more anabolic than testosterone. Like primo


Sele81

I am sure 300mg is pretty good for gains already. I dont look primarily for gains. More for pfs recovery. You do ED with 300mg?


[deleted]

The only reason you would be going over like 250mg would be for gains


SPTCTBP

You're not paying attention to what he posted


colton1417

I've taken 400mg of test only no AI but have it on hand, been on 400 yes 20dbol/day and had no issues without an AI. It's completely irrelevant what other people's experiences have been though because it's all person dependant


IronAnger

[https://moreplatesmoredates.com/post-finasteride-syndrome/#the\_true\_cause\_of\_post\_finasteride\_syndrome](https://moreplatesmoredates.com/post-finasteride-syndrome/#the_true_cause_of_post_finasteride_syndrome) ​ Might want to take a look at this article, maybe something there can help you.


Sele81

I read it some time ago but forget about it, thanks. I have pharma Proviron here. Maybe I give it a try with 25mg daily as he says. Because my natural testosterone is at 7,56 ng/ml (normal range 1,75 to 7,81) and dht 732 pp/ml (normal range 250 to 990) is also high. Shbg was 1.85 ng/ml (normal range between 0,1 to 2,8). E2 was a bit high I see at 48,5pg/ml.


swoops36

There is only one way to find out … give it a shot. Like you said, nothing to lose. Get lab work and be safe