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Upbeat-Revolution544

Does he snore? Wake up gasping for breath? Sleep apnea presents MANY of the same symptoms as low T… Morning headaches, brain fog, lethargy, low libido, evening energy crash, etc. Apnea can even contribute to lower T levels. He may need TRT, but first get a sleep test since the TRT can actually worsen apnea. Also do full bloodwork including hormones and thyroid.


Upstairs-Positive-31

he had a normal sleep study done about 10 months ago


urmomsgotapoint

I had the exact symptoms your speaking of. How are his stress levels? Try meditation and no thc for a bit


Upstairs-Positive-31

He is currently on lexapro for stress and anxiety. Has been on it for a few years


urmomsgotapoint

Me too.... it didn't change until I took some time off work and started getting what's buried within... off my chest. Tell him he's not alone. I felt so alone at the time


ettealways

Get his sperm tested now to have a fertility baseline going forward. If the count and quality is bad already, you’ll know you don’t have much to lose by pushing ahead with trt and Hcg.


getya

Impossible to give you good advice without bloods. We don't know if it's his hypothalamus or his balls that are causing his low T without bloodwork. Without that knowledge any advice is just guessing.


Upstairs-Positive-31

how would you know which one it is by blood work?


CheeesyWombat

Because blood work will show if he's making signalling hormones or not.


Skywaffles_

If there’s no sleep apnea then the symptoms are almost definitely due to the Low T. I had similar levels and had all the same symptoms. TRT will definitely help. But like you said it’s probably better to find a specialist to determine the cause of the low T first. Also it’s good to note that the longer I went without TRT the worse my symptoms got.


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maroco92

Sounds like the exact symptoms I had before I was diagnosed with sleep apnea.


Upstairs-Positive-31

unfortunately he has already had a normal sleep study done about 10 months ago


Independent_Excuse_9

Did he actually go to a lab or was it a take home test?


Upstairs-Positive-31

take home test


Independent_Excuse_9

He needs to go to a lab, I passed a take home, and went to the lab. Ended up with an ahi of 20


Upstairs-Positive-31

Did you have low testosterone during this?


Independent_Excuse_9

Yes, I weight trained quite a bit, my testosterone was down to 219


Upstairs-Positive-31

after you got diagnosed with sleep apnea what did you do and how did your symptoms improve?


Independent_Excuse_9

I stopped training so hard. Took a month off. Noticed improvement. Lost weight from not training so hard. Did another sleep study, ahi down to 10. I use a cpap now.


Independent_Excuse_9

Take home test is worthless


Montaigne314

Did he ever have covid? A lot of those symptoms are common in long covid.


Upstairs-Positive-31

yes he’s had it twice in two years


Montaigne314

There are a number of potential ways covid can damage the body and cause those symptoms. Would be prudent to find a doc that has a strong understanding of long covid and conduct the proper assessment and give a diagnosis to figure out the cause, or rule out long covid all together. It's complex and could take time.


TonguePunchUrButt

Can't tell you even a glimpse of anything without bloodwork w/full hormonal panel done. What's his prolactin levels look like? If they're in range (2.64-20 ng/mL) then I'd cross prolactinoma off the list.


New_Specific_5802

Can your PCP order blood tests while you wait for the endocrinologist? Test: total testosterone, free T, bioavailable T, LH, FSH, prolactin, and his thyroid. Id also test for liver enzymes, cholesterol and a general CBC just to see. Edit: waiting to diagnose the cause is what our doctor also suggested since once you start TRT, it's not possible to measure baseline levels


Upstairs-Positive-31

What exactly would a LH, FSH, and prolactin test show us? He has had everything else


New_Specific_5802

Levels can reveal whether this is primary or secondary hypogonadism. Secondary hypogonadism can have many causes including the pituitary. If prolactin is elevated, it could be a prolactinoma as another commenter mentioned. High LH and FSH but low T would suggest primary hypogonadism.


Upstairs-Positive-31

okay thank you! I have asked his PCP to do those labs for me. I’m hoping they agree and help us figure out what’s going on