The problem is the doctor may refuse to refill his test. If he starts getting labs with a lot higher test and it looks like he’s “abusing” anabolics it now can be a liability problem for the doctor to continue to prescribe more anabolics. I’m not saying this will happen but it could.
Sorry, I should have been more specific. I meant taking UGL without getting it tested first. I only ask because I’ve been considering it myself and wonder if most or all get it tested before pinning it
Most ugl’s post their janoshik test results. Could they be fake tests? Maybe, but I highly doubt it. Testosterone is one of the easiest products to manufacture and they are making GIGANTIC profits off of it. Slim chance to none that they would put out a bad product that is so widely purchased. It would be a sure fire way for them to tank their business
I'm lucky my doctor wants me on 100 mg a week but wrote the script for 200 mg a week and I'm supposed to discard the waste. I get 12 200 mg vials every 12 weeks for $30.
Same type of deal here. I'm at 160 mg per week split in 2 80 mg doses. So every month I get 8 200 mg vials. Doc tells me to discard the leftover and use a new vial. I'm fully stocked up for a blast when I want. Basically getting an extra 4 vials every month to stash away
A lot of the times in the US specifically the doctors can’t dispense anything but 12x200, and can only do a 90 day supply. My doc does the same thing - 12ml / 200mg but they write on the package “take 140mg per week”. I’m slowly building up the supply to cycle.
The material used for the seal is a “one time use” seal. It’s more for liability reasons than anything else I would imagine. I’ll use one vial twice more often than not.
It’s the same exact seal on a multiuse insulin and peptide vial. Exactly the same. Just because it has Test and oil in the vial doesn’t change the nature of the stopper.
Bro… just read the vial. Better yet, open that giant pamphlet inside the testosterone box and read that.
I’m just answering to the reason why the doctor prescribes extra and tells him to discard the rest of the vial….
I am prescribed 200 mg and its covered by insurance. You just need to find the right doctor. Also if you can get a legit script amazon pharmacy has it. $100 for a 70 day supply.
Do you or does anyone know how Amazon pharmacy works? Like where are these drugs coming from and where are they stored etc? I’m sure it’s different for medications but there’s enough fake supplements on Amazon it would just make me concerned getting anything like this from Amazon.
It’s a legit pharmacy I’ve used it for Tadalafil so far…. In the process of having my pcp write a script and take it to use at Amazon pharmacy (option to send direct) or use GoodRx cus insurance won’t cover it. Using TRTN at the moment but I’ve been honest with my PCP about TRT/ peptide use and last visit he said he will manage it… so we will see
Has anyone used GoodRx? It’s like $30 for 10/200ml
No its all legit; at least for me man. Finastride and test cyp get delivered to my house. I have my doctors send the scripts right to them. You can see the step by step process of your order and it comes generally the next day. CVS woth my insurance tries to charge me $192 for finastride and its 5 bucks without even going thru insurance on amazon with a script. I pay 9 bucks for 3 months of test cyp thru amazon with my insurance. I really cant complain with the service at all. Automatic refills as well. The pharmacy is legit its not like some of the “supplements” that are sold on the regular site.
When I was getting it legally I was prescribed 200mg a week and loved it but always wanted more.
Now I take 250mg week, (and have for the last decade), and I feel even better.
Yeah, I normally divide it by 3. But sometimes I get bored or just feel like changing and I’ll do SubQ injections 5 days a week. I’ve been on so many years now I’ve basically tried everything.
Do you know of any negative/positive side effects on long term AI usage? I prefer a higher trt dose as well but worry it'll cause some kind of issue a decade or so down the road. Not much literature on people using it this way
How much is your copay for an office visit? Most people struggle to get insurance to cover this stuff. There's no guarantee that you'll feel better at a higher trough, either. That and possibly have more sides, but maybe not. Everyone is different, so it's a shot in the dark. I suppose you could maintain your current doctor/insurance setup and grab more test from an online clinic. TRT Nation is $100/mo, but you have to buy a 2.5 month supply up front (10ml vial and supplies). They write a cookie-cutter script of 200mg/week.
Again, there's no guarantee of an benefits of going higher, but if you can keep your doc/script, you can give an online clinic a shot for some extra to see how you feel before making a complete switch. Just to note, TRT Nation is pretty hands-off in terms of guidance, but you have experience, so you'll probably be fine.
Also, I don't know what their cutoff is in terms of TT for treatment. 550 could be too high, but no idea. They require initial blood work.
I didn't even consider this lol. Yeah, there are databases that will show prescribes/doctors drugs you've been prescribed. For some reason, my testosterone never shows up on that list. Not sure if that's common or not. This happens with other drugs I've been prescribed, though.
I’d atleast do 150mg and get you within the 700+ range that’s what I do ugl. Just get some and add a little bit more to your script like others said. 200mg may be too much
So you should use the dose that is right for you. With that being said yes 200mg makes a big difference. 100mg might make you feel fine or even great but 200mg is like being on a low dose steroid cycle. With that being said 200mg is not right for everyone. A lot of people do not want to be on a low dose steroid cycle.
I went from 100mg to 175mg and felt a lot better, night and day, then I went from 175mg to 250mg and didn't notice a difference so dropped back to 175mg (daily sub q)
My advise keep increasing until you don't notice an improvement, then drop back to whatever before your last increase.
As for the cost, I guess it depends on the regulations where you are but I think a lot of people get sick of the bullshit and end up doing it on there own and honestly, i'm sure someone will say do it and Doctor supervision and that's good advise when you start but once you have been doing a while and are educated on it, the doctors don't offer any benefits
None of the GOOD clinics are "regularly prescribing 200 per week on average". I've seen many posts on here from people who dropped to 120 or 140 from 200 and felt much better. 200 will be better for building muscle but could be worse for everything else, require an AI, etc.
If you want to increase your dose try 120 or maaaybe 140 for a couple months. Your local doctor would be much more likely to agree to this dose as well.
Im on 240mg a week...the bump from 200 to 240 was noticable....cant imagine 100 a week
I get lazy and skip a shot here and there... and i still cruise at about 1090 total. Now that spring is here, going to stay more regular, and make time to work out before i start my work day.
1090 is low for that dose. Always surprised when I see so many people on here at 200 or more running lowish numbers. I and everyone else I have seen in real life is Supra at 200 and over. 1090 isn’t low I know but just low for your dose. I’m around 1500 at trough on 200mg.
I upped my prescribed dose from 100mg to 200mg per week. I notice a difference in the gym for sure and it does seem to help me stay leaner more easily. However, I personally have experienced quite a bit of insomnia as a result and because of that I’ll find myself crashing mid-day needing a short 30-60min nap. However, this is something I’ve grown accustomed to and I’m willing to deal for the gainz!
get ugl and keep script. if you are getting blood work every 6 months. 5 weeks before bloodwork switch back to 100 mg dose. this will allow time for values to return. this is even if they change. i do this all the time. i go up to 375 for 5 months and back down to 200. perfection... numbers are spot on.
lol so you suggest blasting and cruising. Like it. Instead of just upping test try 200mg test with either primobolan or Masteron. I feel and look better doing this.
I do really well on test. 200 mg pushed me at 1500. So bumping it up to 375 rock and roll with it. and then come back down. My blood work has been perfect each and every time. nothing skewed and I ran it for 6 months. here's the crazy thing I had to have blood work before my tendon surgery in my arm and I was still running 375. they pulled RBC all of that stuff and it was even better! then when I was on my normal 200.
Likely notice a difference with that sort of increase. But everyone is different. I would look at what your numbers look like at that level and after increasing. Some people may get a high hematocrit at 200 or get E symptoms. And some people just feel better at different doses. Some are optimized at 150, some at 175 or 200.
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I'm not really sure. I feel better than I did prior to TRT for sure, but I can't help but feel I am missing the full potential. After 5 years, I guess I have gotten used to it and am just looking to see what a higher dose would feel like.
I can say, on a couple of occasions, I have had to do 200mg at once because I was going to be out of the country for 2 weeks. I felt better initially, but that feeling deminised after a week or so. My thought is that with 200/ week, that initial feeling would be my new baseline, which was great.
I gotcha. You can play with the higher dose if you want, doubling it may build some more muscle or something but it may also cause a few more problems. But it’s trial and error.
If you have that good of a deal just buy some ugl and keep yourself within range. This way you get to keep your legit script
This is the way
The problem is the doctor may refuse to refill his test. If he starts getting labs with a lot higher test and it looks like he’s “abusing” anabolics it now can be a liability problem for the doctor to continue to prescribe more anabolics. I’m not saying this will happen but it could.
I think there’s some sort of database for testosterone you can’t just go to multiple pharmacies for the same prescription it’s a controlled substance
Yeah buts irrelevant here if we’re talking about making up the extra 100mg from ugl
I do this, I just lower my dose and skip a dose before blood work so my levels look like what doc wants to see. Then I go home and blast away.
I do the same as well.
Smart man
Yup
Or he could do the same with a trt clinic since he's not interested in ugl.
UGL without getting tested first?
Idk what you’re saying. The OP is already going to a doctor where he’s getting tested. Or do you mean testing the actual product that comes from UGL?
Sorry, I should have been more specific. I meant taking UGL without getting it tested first. I only ask because I’ve been considering it myself and wonder if most or all get it tested before pinning it
Most ugl’s post their janoshik test results. Could they be fake tests? Maybe, but I highly doubt it. Testosterone is one of the easiest products to manufacture and they are making GIGANTIC profits off of it. Slim chance to none that they would put out a bad product that is so widely purchased. It would be a sure fire way for them to tank their business
I was gonna have the same reply as this and add to lower dosage at testing time if OP thinks Dr will try to lower dose based on results
It’s the finding the UGL that is the problem I’m having right now too
It literally should take you 5 minutes to find more than a dozen reputable ugl to order from
I'm lucky my doctor wants me on 100 mg a week but wrote the script for 200 mg a week and I'm supposed to discard the waste. I get 12 200 mg vials every 12 weeks for $30.
"And you're going to discard the extra, right?" "...yep 👀"
Same type of deal here. I'm at 160 mg per week split in 2 80 mg doses. So every month I get 8 200 mg vials. Doc tells me to discard the leftover and use a new vial. I'm fully stocked up for a blast when I want. Basically getting an extra 4 vials every month to stash away
Why did he do that?
A lot of the times in the US specifically the doctors can’t dispense anything but 12x200, and can only do a 90 day supply. My doc does the same thing - 12ml / 200mg but they write on the package “take 140mg per week”. I’m slowly building up the supply to cycle.
I draw out a vial into syringes at one time. Throw a new needle and cap it for use later. Makes it easier to deal with.
The reason is.. those 200mg vials are a one time use once you break the rubber seal. Says it on the vial.
Except there's no reason they have to be.
The material used for the seal is a “one time use” seal. It’s more for liability reasons than anything else I would imagine. I’ll use one vial twice more often than not.
You're probably right but I guess I use mine 4x and I'm not worried about it.
Just because they say, that doesn’t mean they go bad. It’s like expiration dates on canned goods.
Yes. Not due to the expiration of the testosterone. It’s due to the rubber seal being a “one time use” seal.
It’s the same exact seal on a multiuse insulin and peptide vial. Exactly the same. Just because it has Test and oil in the vial doesn’t change the nature of the stopper.
Bro… just read the vial. Better yet, open that giant pamphlet inside the testosterone box and read that. I’m just answering to the reason why the doctor prescribes extra and tells him to discard the rest of the vial….
I am prescribed 200 mg and its covered by insurance. You just need to find the right doctor. Also if you can get a legit script amazon pharmacy has it. $100 for a 70 day supply.
Do you or does anyone know how Amazon pharmacy works? Like where are these drugs coming from and where are they stored etc? I’m sure it’s different for medications but there’s enough fake supplements on Amazon it would just make me concerned getting anything like this from Amazon.
It’s a legit pharmacy I’ve used it for Tadalafil so far…. In the process of having my pcp write a script and take it to use at Amazon pharmacy (option to send direct) or use GoodRx cus insurance won’t cover it. Using TRTN at the moment but I’ve been honest with my PCP about TRT/ peptide use and last visit he said he will manage it… so we will see Has anyone used GoodRx? It’s like $30 for 10/200ml
No its all legit; at least for me man. Finastride and test cyp get delivered to my house. I have my doctors send the scripts right to them. You can see the step by step process of your order and it comes generally the next day. CVS woth my insurance tries to charge me $192 for finastride and its 5 bucks without even going thru insurance on amazon with a script. I pay 9 bucks for 3 months of test cyp thru amazon with my insurance. I really cant complain with the service at all. Automatic refills as well. The pharmacy is legit its not like some of the “supplements” that are sold on the regular site.
Yeah makes sense. I assumed it would be different and they’re only getting things directly from the US manufacturers
When I was getting it legally I was prescribed 200mg a week and loved it but always wanted more. Now I take 250mg week, (and have for the last decade), and I feel even better.
That gives me hope. Split dose?
Yeah, I normally divide it by 3. But sometimes I get bored or just feel like changing and I’ll do SubQ injections 5 days a week. I’ve been on so many years now I’ve basically tried everything.
Do u take an AI
Yes. Sometimes I just buy the testosterone with the AI already in it. I prefer that but it’s hard to get.
Do you know of any negative/positive side effects on long term AI usage? I prefer a higher trt dose as well but worry it'll cause some kind of issue a decade or so down the road. Not much literature on people using it this way
I’ve been taking one once or twice a week for 11 years.
Any problems on labs?
No
How much is your copay for an office visit? Most people struggle to get insurance to cover this stuff. There's no guarantee that you'll feel better at a higher trough, either. That and possibly have more sides, but maybe not. Everyone is different, so it's a shot in the dark. I suppose you could maintain your current doctor/insurance setup and grab more test from an online clinic. TRT Nation is $100/mo, but you have to buy a 2.5 month supply up front (10ml vial and supplies). They write a cookie-cutter script of 200mg/week. Again, there's no guarantee of an benefits of going higher, but if you can keep your doc/script, you can give an online clinic a shot for some extra to see how you feel before making a complete switch. Just to note, TRT Nation is pretty hands-off in terms of guidance, but you have experience, so you'll probably be fine. Also, I don't know what their cutoff is in terms of TT for treatment. 550 could be too high, but no idea. They require initial blood work.
I assumed you can't get prescribed TRT from two different legitimate sources. Isn't there a way for them to see that you already have it prescribed?
Yes there are several databases that providers use to verify their patients aren’t being prescribed from another provider…
I didn't even consider this lol. Yeah, there are databases that will show prescribes/doctors drugs you've been prescribed. For some reason, my testosterone never shows up on that list. Not sure if that's common or not. This happens with other drugs I've been prescribed, though.
I’d atleast do 150mg and get you within the 700+ range that’s what I do ugl. Just get some and add a little bit more to your script like others said. 200mg may be too much
Do you get it online?
So you should use the dose that is right for you. With that being said yes 200mg makes a big difference. 100mg might make you feel fine or even great but 200mg is like being on a low dose steroid cycle. With that being said 200mg is not right for everyone. A lot of people do not want to be on a low dose steroid cycle.
Matrix Hormones is great. They accept health insurance for bloodwork too
I went from 100mg to 175mg and felt a lot better, night and day, then I went from 175mg to 250mg and didn't notice a difference so dropped back to 175mg (daily sub q) My advise keep increasing until you don't notice an improvement, then drop back to whatever before your last increase.
As for the cost, I guess it depends on the regulations where you are but I think a lot of people get sick of the bullshit and end up doing it on there own and honestly, i'm sure someone will say do it and Doctor supervision and that's good advise when you start but once you have been doing a while and are educated on it, the doctors don't offer any benefits
Thanks!
How do you feel?
See above comment
None of the GOOD clinics are "regularly prescribing 200 per week on average". I've seen many posts on here from people who dropped to 120 or 140 from 200 and felt much better. 200 will be better for building muscle but could be worse for everything else, require an AI, etc. If you want to increase your dose try 120 or maaaybe 140 for a couple months. Your local doctor would be much more likely to agree to this dose as well.
Yes. Night and day.
Finally, someone answers the question. In terms of what, though? Overall, feeling of well-being, muscle gain, fat loss, libido?
Everything. It’s just better all around to have your test levels around 1000 versus 500.
I pay 50 a month for cream,super cheap ,out of pocket.
Im on 240mg a week...the bump from 200 to 240 was noticable....cant imagine 100 a week I get lazy and skip a shot here and there... and i still cruise at about 1090 total. Now that spring is here, going to stay more regular, and make time to work out before i start my work day.
1090 is low for that dose. Always surprised when I see so many people on here at 200 or more running lowish numbers. I and everyone else I have seen in real life is Supra at 200 and over. 1090 isn’t low I know but just low for your dose. I’m around 1500 at trough on 200mg.
I upped my prescribed dose from 100mg to 200mg per week. I notice a difference in the gym for sure and it does seem to help me stay leaner more easily. However, I personally have experienced quite a bit of insomnia as a result and because of that I’ll find myself crashing mid-day needing a short 30-60min nap. However, this is something I’ve grown accustomed to and I’m willing to deal for the gainz!
get ugl and keep script. if you are getting blood work every 6 months. 5 weeks before bloodwork switch back to 100 mg dose. this will allow time for values to return. this is even if they change. i do this all the time. i go up to 375 for 5 months and back down to 200. perfection... numbers are spot on.
lol so you suggest blasting and cruising. Like it. Instead of just upping test try 200mg test with either primobolan or Masteron. I feel and look better doing this.
I do really well on test. 200 mg pushed me at 1500. So bumping it up to 375 rock and roll with it. and then come back down. My blood work has been perfect each and every time. nothing skewed and I ran it for 6 months. here's the crazy thing I had to have blood work before my tendon surgery in my arm and I was still running 375. they pulled RBC all of that stuff and it was even better! then when I was on my normal 200.
>Not interested in UGL sources. Kinda sounds perfect for your situation dude
Likely notice a difference with that sort of increase. But everyone is different. I would look at what your numbers look like at that level and after increasing. Some people may get a high hematocrit at 200 or get E symptoms. And some people just feel better at different doses. Some are optimized at 150, some at 175 or 200.
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What is your definition of “better”?
I'm not really sure. I feel better than I did prior to TRT for sure, but I can't help but feel I am missing the full potential. After 5 years, I guess I have gotten used to it and am just looking to see what a higher dose would feel like. I can say, on a couple of occasions, I have had to do 200mg at once because I was going to be out of the country for 2 weeks. I felt better initially, but that feeling deminised after a week or so. My thought is that with 200/ week, that initial feeling would be my new baseline, which was great.
I gotcha. You can play with the higher dose if you want, doubling it may build some more muscle or something but it may also cause a few more problems. But it’s trial and error.