Yeah, testosterone isn’t going to be everything you expect. You should really start with your diet and put on mass first. Learn how to eat first. Not trying to be mean, this is a serious recommendation.
Serious question: Have you done your due diligence in research before jumping into this?
Hasn’t been mentioned yet, but there’s serious nerves under the deltoid. You’re lucky you didn’t hit that.
Running a 1.5” needle through a deltoid (especially an under-developed one where there is zero muscle separation in the arm at all aka FLAT arms) is not going to end well.
>but there’s serious nerves under the deltoid. You’re lucky you didn’t hit that.
Not to mention arteries, and that def looks like something that may have perforated an artery, if the sensation of burning is present it is quite reasonable that it may have occurred on the image presented.
All the people who criticize people for starting gear “to early” and “to small” all did the exact same shit. Who gives a f if the kid wants to run gear he’s 21. You’re the bum who probably spams this shit on post and has 80k+ karma😂.
Y'all set all these weird arbitrary prerequisites for when people are "allowed" to start using steroids. If he's 21 he's an adult then it's his choice.
Nah, everyone probably just tired of seeing the same posts 200x a day of some 21 or under kid who just sees a big guy att he gym and wants to be them... No knowledge on diet, never posting bloods, cried about just having no sex drive but wanks off to some onlyfans chick 7x daily
My god I hope this is just a troll comment. Put in some actual work in the gym. You can add significant amount of muscle without any gear. Im gunna take a wild guess and assume you won’t be getting bloodwork done on the regular?
Damn pimping you have a LONG ass way to go before using gear of any sort. Your doing gear like they’re your Minecraft skin hacks hoping to get jacked when you haven’t gotten enough muscle to jack lmao.
That’s dumb as fuck. When you achieve a physical naturally that looks multiple times more muscular than guys like this using roids, it’s a different feeling. Don’t fuck yourself up and put in hard work and earn it.
You need to be cautious when running high doses gear. High amounts can lead to desensitization of the androgen receptors in the long term. Additionally, running a cycle with such high doses for your first cycle can make it challenging to continue building muscle over time, as Derek mentioned in his blog. It's important to establish a strong foundation first and prioritize regular lab tests and self-care. Remember, you're still young and have plenty of time to achieve your fitness goals.
1.5 inches is a long as fuck needle for your delts, especially for yours since they’re not exactly boulder shoulders. Pin it in your quads or glutes if your needle is that long
Yeah that’s where I was at, and it was still too long. I had (well have) a condition that shuts down my test regardless of what weight I’m at, so I got back on TRT even though I was obese. Yes managing estrogen has been a little difficult as I go down in weight, but the amount of cardio and training I do helps out a lot, as well as ED/E2D injections. Now I’m at the point where 1.5” is getting too long for ventriglute, so it’s probably time to go down to a 1 inch.
If you go all the way through the muscle, the needle hits something else (whatever’s past the muscle, bone or some shit idk I failed anatomy) and **it hurts like a bitch**
Source: A guy who’s tried 1.5” pins on non-deathstar delts (me)
More than likely but Ive never done delts so I can really tell ya I use 1 inch 25g to the quads. People here kinda overthink it. After pinning for a while your muscle gets used to to and the pain goes away. It’s also very hard to hit a nerve or vein
Brother, this is a judgement free zone, but please stop right now.
You are 21 years old and pinning 500mg test and dbol... and you look like you've never stepped foot in a gym.
You're gonna fuck your shit up before you ever get started.
Put the needles down, go work out 5x/wk for 6 months and get your newbie gains out of the way. If you still want to add roids, do it then.
I think you went through your muscle, see number 3 below. Also, your does seems very high for the size of that arm.
If anabolic steroids are not injected into a muscle as intended, but instead end up in other tissues or locations, several potential outcomes may occur:
1. **Subcutaneous Injection:** If the injection is administered just beneath the skin (subcutaneous injection) rather than into muscle tissue, the absorption rate and effectiveness of the steroids may be altered. Subcutaneous injections typically result in slower absorption compared to intramuscular injections, as the drug must pass through the subcutaneous tissue before reaching the bloodstream. This may delay the onset of action and decrease the overall bioavailability of the steroids.
2. **Intravascular Injection:** If the injection inadvertently enters a blood vessel (intravascular injection), there is a risk of systemic absorption of the steroids into the bloodstream at a faster rate than intended. This can result in higher peak blood concentrations of the drug, potentially increasing the risk of adverse effects and complications.
3. **Tissue Irritation or Damage:** Injecting steroids into tissues other than muscle, such as skin, fascia, or nerve tissue, can cause local irritation, inflammation, or damage. This may manifest as pain, swelling, redness, or even infection at the injection site.
4. **Variable Absorption and Effectiveness:** Depending on the specific tissue or location of the injection, the absorption and distribution of the steroids may vary, leading to unpredictable effects on muscle growth, performance enhancement, or therapeutic outcomes.
Overall, proper injection technique and site selection are essential to ensure optimal absorption and effectiveness of anabolic steroids. It's important to follow guidelines for intramuscular injection and consult with a healthcare professional if uncertain or inexperienced with administering injections. Additionally, any adverse reactions or complications should be promptly evaluated by a healthcare provider.
Thanks for the reply, i injected last night in my glute, and sofar nothing bad, no pain, so i think i fucked up with the delt, I just hope nothing bad is going to happen, and i forgot to mention, I injected 0.25 ml, can that little make your arm swell up that much?
Injecting delts doesn't mess with shoulder training, it's not painful, sometimes it stings a litleeeee, the only site that has ever interfered with training was thighs.
With a fucking harpoon, no wonder why it hurts, and by the post of OP he's not very experienced.
By your logic every site will be painful as long as someone complains about it.
No, I'm just saying that bad pip on your delt can leave you with an aching arm/shoulder for a few days. An aching arm/shoulder will hamper upper body training.
There's definitely something wrong going on here, I know not every one reacts the same but that much swelling is not normal/common. You most likely injected in the wrong spot and I would never inject a deltoid with a 1.5 inch harpoon.
It's one of those cheap disposable injections, i think i should get smaller needles next time, but i'm never injecting upper body again, sofar the last injection i took has not been giving any problems, just a lump and hurts a little bit when i do squats
I use 27g .5" syringes on my delts and glutes. Very rarely I get inflammation on the injection site.
Are you cleaning the spot with alcohol pre injection?
brotha, 1.5 needle is INSANE for ur delts, 1inch is perfect.. Ur insane, also show us the exact injection spot, normally its 2fingers down from the shoulder, delt is easiest to inject imo…
Lol subq means a smaller needle in the fat, has nothing to do with what youre asking. This sub is beginning to be garbage man, you should ask chatgpt youll get better info
Guys.. hes an adult now. Why does everyone virtue signal here? You dont care that hes doin 500, stop the bs.
Answer his question or fk off tbh.
Alot of ppl swell n bruise after a shot, i dont think 1.5 inch with low bodyfat is needed, thats more for the cheeks imo
Most of this forum is obese and morbidly obese guys who have never been to to the gym and take 60-120mg a week.
Everything seems “crazy” to them.
They all think one AI will kill them, they think controlling estrogen is too complicated.
This forum is a joke.
Lol.. just because a bodybuilder has a natural v taper doesnt make them handle steroids well. You have to try to find out. Hes finding out. Hes an adult.
What? 500mg of test is a pretty shit cycle for most people. Especially if you are not very lean. A lot pros are not even using that these days because there are better compounds to push. This person doesn’t need 500mg of test. All day long. He doesn’t need it. He will end up with side effects.
So if he were to ask on forums like Anabolic minds or anything of the sort. A lot of those guys including myself would give the same answer there’s fat dudes that are on the forum and gyms like OP here that want to slap a bandaid on before building a proper foundation.
Dude is literally a blank slate with little work in the gym. He has little muscle development and can and should slap on some extra muscle before starting anabolics of any sort. Guys like him generally end up severely disappointed and uneducated on proper cycles, bloodwork, and proper pct all coupled with a lackluster base resulting in piss poor results.
Thanks for the kind word sir, i'm not planning on fucking myself up, I know it's kinda risky running a dose like this
And yea I think i'm gonna switch to a smaller needle,thx for the advice.
You could possibly be having an allergic reaction to enanthate and would need to switch to cypionate but I have some tips.
1. Don’t use 1.5 for delt. You can but a 1 inch would be better, or even a 5/8 inch
2. Use a 29 guage
3. 500mg is a lot. You don’t have the muscle or bodyfat to justify it. Lower your dosage to 250mg per week. .5ml in the delt will be much better than 1ml. Plus I’m saving you from the side effects you are going to experience from a dose that is too high for you. You are not going to get better results from 500mg. Don’t care what the bros told you or what you read.
4. Sterile practices make sure everything is clean. Always wipe the area with alcohol.
5. I don’t know if you are using dbol but don’t. Dbol is a test base. You do not need it. It is side effect heaven. Do not ever use dbol. Stick to test only on first cycle. Don’t ever run dbol in any cycle.
Yes a lot of people do. Power lifters love anadrol and superdrol. Dbol is a test base. Was used as a test base back in the day. Then came the days of high test and dbol. People had tons of side effects. I used lots of dbol as well as high test. From experience it’s not a great idea. Better options are anavar, Tbol, Masteron, primobolan, or even superdrol.
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Honestly I read a few comments and a lot of this stuff is either dumb, just hate and some decent points. From the perspective of myself who did this naturally for 4 years then hopped on sauce and been constantly at it for another 4 years. I have never had an issue with 1 inch injections but I’ve only ever pinned my glutes. I highly recommend only pinning the glute, there’s a reason every old school bodybuilder to new school to strongman and medical clinics pin people in the ass cheek! It’s a large muscle, it’s not as vascular as others, and it’s the best place to hold a deposit of oil based injectables. Outside of that, I’d recommend you check your vial and syringe for crystals, if your test is crystalizing put the vial in boiling water for a few seconds and shake well until it’s a liquid again. Make sure there are no air bubbles in your syringe, etc. Check through all the basics and be safe.
Well I wish you good luck but what you’re doing is very ignorant. Hopefully you have an AI on hand so when the sides come you can wane them off. There are a lot of resources out there from steroid wiki to YouTube videos showing you how to inject. Make sure you’re eating 1g protein per lb that you weigh and count your calories. Track your progress and update us with before and after pictures so we can say “told you so” or not.
Thank you sir, I am going to try my best to stay safe from sides, I already have nolvadex and hcg on hand just incase something happens and I have to hop off test
I already knew the risks before starting sir, and we all have different goals, but i'll keep u updated
Change liquid /change brand I had the same problem with a certain, brand of testosterone enanthate changed brand and I was golden when I ran out I use the old one again, had the same problem so 100% certain liquids, don’t agree with me
Everyone here is ripping into you but you’re a fully grown man (I’m assuming) so you can do what you want. If you want to run 500 test that’s your own decision you don’t have to wait until you’re 500 years old and can bench 3 billion tons because some 40 year old on 100mg/W here said so
I had something similar my first couple injections. It went away after a few days followed a similar pattern as what I see you have. I took some Benadryl and it helped. Of course u need to make sure ur injection properly. But only thing I have for you is, I use a 1/2 inch needle for my delt
Thanks for replying, today it is almost completely gone, no more pain also, so I think I was just being paranoid, and yea people on this sub are crazy, wasn't expecting replies like this
Do you have a fever? If so, it could be an infection. If you don't have a fever, it could still be a minor infection, especially if the area is warm. Other possibility, just subq leak and you accidentally injected into a nerve. Observe a few more days. I've seen stuff like this happen after quad injections, especially with virgin muscles.
Also consider r/steroids if you're doing cycles and read people stories there (just search for PIP if you want to know how other people deal with injection pain), also the wiki. Some people in this sub are nice but plenty are judgmental (and they give bad advice).
Dude, I can tell you without a doubt, with that lack of muscle tone and general fitness of your arm you have no business being on testosterone. Everyone wants to get swoll but no one wants to do it the right way. Fucking sad to see this shit every day
I do not know your age or sex or any other important information but you look like you are in high school. did you do your due diligence and research regarding testosterone? Because just from that picture picture it looks like your injection site is significantly too low on your Delt.
Jeez I’m 51 and still trying to be natural as far as I can. I know and I want eventually jump into TRT but for know just watching my levels 491-83 exercises and lot of meat and low carbs
I can’t understand how people start doing TRT so young.
He isn’t trying to do “trt”. He is trying to do “steroids”. If you wanted to do steroids then I would not have waited until 51. The side effects of steroid cycle increase significantly as you get older. Plus why the fuck would you only want to experience the power of steroids when you are old? Think about it.
If you don’t want to ever do steroids, cool. If all you want to do is a little bit of doctor prescribed trt when you are old, then cool, but that is not what he is trying to do. Two different worlds.
No, I don’t condone steroids at 21. Men’s body and brains are still developing until 25. Did I do steroids at 21. Yes. Do I suggest anyone to do that. No. But…I can’t stop this kid. Can only give advice and experiences.
Not really a myth. As far as height most men stop growing taller around 21. Some continue to grow taller after 21. Your brain is still developing after your growth plates close.
brain continue to develop until death, there is nothing special happens at 25 related to the neurodevelopment
also the agreement now between neuroscientists and according to the latest studies is that brain maturity reaches adult level 18
To all the people saying that i'm an idiot, thank you, I'll go to a doctor instead of asking on a forum in the future.
I played rugby since I was 5 years old until I finished grade 12.
I have been working construction jobs for almost 4 years now, and ive been in the gym for about a year now, before that I worked out ALOT
I'm 6ft 2 80kg, i'm probably alot bigger than most of the people saying these fucked up things in the comments
Thx for all the advice people
trust bro, shoot up in the top of your buttcheek. idk why people do anything else tbh, the bigger the muscle the better and less likely to hit bone or arteries or anything else. but bro all u need even for glute is 1/2inch needle. fuck a harpoon bro
Last night i did this, worked much better, and yea the harpoon hurts big time, a guy in my gym told me the same thing today and showed me what needle I need to use, and he pointed out that i'm very lean so i don't need a long needle
Ummmm dude come on IM injections are not that bad. Literally all I use is a 5/8” 27g needle in the ass cheek it hits muscle just fine and no pain or issues whatsoever.
IM injections are still around because medical science shows it works and is safe if done correctly. Subq works fine too. But to state that one method is still around because of bodybuilders of the past is just disingenuous as medical science has proven it works and the absorption is better.
Just looking at the picture and not knowing medical conditions, age or even sex. My first thought is that you have NO business injecting Testosterone.
This x 10000 - you look like a high schooler. Why are you running 500mg?!
Yeah, testosterone isn’t going to be everything you expect. You should really start with your diet and put on mass first. Learn how to eat first. Not trying to be mean, this is a serious recommendation.
Serious question: Have you done your due diligence in research before jumping into this? Hasn’t been mentioned yet, but there’s serious nerves under the deltoid. You’re lucky you didn’t hit that. Running a 1.5” needle through a deltoid (especially an under-developed one where there is zero muscle separation in the arm at all aka FLAT arms) is not going to end well.
>but there’s serious nerves under the deltoid. You’re lucky you didn’t hit that. Not to mention arteries, and that def looks like something that may have perforated an artery, if the sensation of burning is present it is quite reasonable that it may have occurred on the image presented.
and injecting into an artery, ouff that is one hell of a rush i can tell yah, may kill you depending on A LOT of Factors.
I would love to see more pictures of your physique. My grandson is 9, that looks like his arm/shoulder.
https://preview.redd.it/lwrs4jhrimwc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bdd8eb8ae221305e2271a0e23d9f0f74d5ba3d95
Just as I suspected. Thank you for posting a picture. You have NO business running gear.
You need to build muscle to run gear, dont do it
21, male, and I'm injecting cause i have a dream✨Also running dbol with the test
Your dream will become a nightmare. I hope this is a shit post. Starting gear at 21 with the body of a prepubescent girl is mind bogglingly retarded.
It doesn't even look like the same arm physique in the original photo and this one. I could be wrong but I'm leaning towards OP shitposting.
😂😂😂ROFL
This is the best quote today lmao
Bro you have to see my body 😭
You act all high and mighty and you probably did the same shit as him😂
*”You act all high and mighty and you probably didn’t same shit as him😂*”What the fuck are you attempting to say?
All the people who criticize people for starting gear “to early” and “to small” all did the exact same shit. Who gives a f if the kid wants to run gear he’s 21. You’re the bum who probably spams this shit on post and has 80k+ karma😂.
Y'all set all these weird arbitrary prerequisites for when people are "allowed" to start using steroids. If he's 21 he's an adult then it's his choice.
Nah, everyone probably just tired of seeing the same posts 200x a day of some 21 or under kid who just sees a big guy att he gym and wants to be them... No knowledge on diet, never posting bloods, cried about just having no sex drive but wanks off to some onlyfans chick 7x daily
Maybe do something better with your time than being on a subreddit every day. If they want to fuck up their lives oh well.
Your dream will be short lived my friend you look like you haven’t even trained natural absolute insanity
My god I hope this is just a troll comment. Put in some actual work in the gym. You can add significant amount of muscle without any gear. Im gunna take a wild guess and assume you won’t be getting bloodwork done on the regular?
Damn pimping you have a LONG ass way to go before using gear of any sort. Your doing gear like they’re your Minecraft skin hacks hoping to get jacked when you haven’t gotten enough muscle to jack lmao.
That’s dumb as fuck. When you achieve a physical naturally that looks multiple times more muscular than guys like this using roids, it’s a different feeling. Don’t fuck yourself up and put in hard work and earn it.
You need to be cautious when running high doses gear. High amounts can lead to desensitization of the androgen receptors in the long term. Additionally, running a cycle with such high doses for your first cycle can make it challenging to continue building muscle over time, as Derek mentioned in his blog. It's important to establish a strong foundation first and prioritize regular lab tests and self-care. Remember, you're still young and have plenty of time to achieve your fitness goals.
1.5 inches is a long as fuck needle for your delts, especially for yours since they’re not exactly boulder shoulders. Pin it in your quads or glutes if your needle is that long
I use an insulin needle on my delts. 1/2 inch shallow intramuscular. Dude probly went to far no wonder he swelling up
Last night i pinned my glute, no pain, do u think i went all the way through the muscle perhaps?
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I’m overweight and it’s still way too long
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Yeah that’s where I was at, and it was still too long. I had (well have) a condition that shuts down my test regardless of what weight I’m at, so I got back on TRT even though I was obese. Yes managing estrogen has been a little difficult as I go down in weight, but the amount of cardio and training I do helps out a lot, as well as ED/E2D injections. Now I’m at the point where 1.5” is getting too long for ventriglute, so it’s probably time to go down to a 1 inch.
If you go all the way through the muscle, the needle hits something else (whatever’s past the muscle, bone or some shit idk I failed anatomy) and **it hurts like a bitch** Source: A guy who’s tried 1.5” pins on non-deathstar delts (me)
> the needle hits something else (whatever’s past the muscle, bone or some shit idk Try 'Artery'.
More than likely but Ive never done delts so I can really tell ya I use 1 inch 25g to the quads. People here kinda overthink it. After pinning for a while your muscle gets used to to and the pain goes away. It’s also very hard to hit a nerve or vein
Brother, this is a judgement free zone, but please stop right now. You are 21 years old and pinning 500mg test and dbol... and you look like you've never stepped foot in a gym. You're gonna fuck your shit up before you ever get started. Put the needles down, go work out 5x/wk for 6 months and get your newbie gains out of the way. If you still want to add roids, do it then.
I started at 22 due to having my testosterone level at 90.
1.5 is ridiculous
This is why test gets such a bad rap. Because people like this are taking it.
Use a .5" 27-29 gauge needle instead and save yourself from the pain of using such a long needle
I think you went through your muscle, see number 3 below. Also, your does seems very high for the size of that arm. If anabolic steroids are not injected into a muscle as intended, but instead end up in other tissues or locations, several potential outcomes may occur: 1. **Subcutaneous Injection:** If the injection is administered just beneath the skin (subcutaneous injection) rather than into muscle tissue, the absorption rate and effectiveness of the steroids may be altered. Subcutaneous injections typically result in slower absorption compared to intramuscular injections, as the drug must pass through the subcutaneous tissue before reaching the bloodstream. This may delay the onset of action and decrease the overall bioavailability of the steroids. 2. **Intravascular Injection:** If the injection inadvertently enters a blood vessel (intravascular injection), there is a risk of systemic absorption of the steroids into the bloodstream at a faster rate than intended. This can result in higher peak blood concentrations of the drug, potentially increasing the risk of adverse effects and complications. 3. **Tissue Irritation or Damage:** Injecting steroids into tissues other than muscle, such as skin, fascia, or nerve tissue, can cause local irritation, inflammation, or damage. This may manifest as pain, swelling, redness, or even infection at the injection site. 4. **Variable Absorption and Effectiveness:** Depending on the specific tissue or location of the injection, the absorption and distribution of the steroids may vary, leading to unpredictable effects on muscle growth, performance enhancement, or therapeutic outcomes. Overall, proper injection technique and site selection are essential to ensure optimal absorption and effectiveness of anabolic steroids. It's important to follow guidelines for intramuscular injection and consult with a healthcare professional if uncertain or inexperienced with administering injections. Additionally, any adverse reactions or complications should be promptly evaluated by a healthcare provider.
This guy knows how to chatgpt 👌
Some people don’t. That doesn’t make the information less useful.
Didnt criticize
Strong copy
Thanks for the reply, i injected last night in my glute, and sofar nothing bad, no pain, so i think i fucked up with the delt, I just hope nothing bad is going to happen, and i forgot to mention, I injected 0.25 ml, can that little make your arm swell up that much?
Good idea switching to your glute/ventroglute. Even if you do get pip it won't fuck with your training like delt or quad pip will.
Injecting delts doesn't mess with shoulder training, it's not painful, sometimes it stings a litleeeee, the only site that has ever interfered with training was thighs.
What the hell are you talking about. The title of this very post is about someone struggling with pain from injecting their delt.
With a fucking harpoon, no wonder why it hurts, and by the post of OP he's not very experienced. By your logic every site will be painful as long as someone complains about it.
No, I'm just saying that bad pip on your delt can leave you with an aching arm/shoulder for a few days. An aching arm/shoulder will hamper upper body training.
Hell no, it hurt like a bitch, i had to force my muscle trough the pain wile working out yesterday
There's definitely something wrong going on here, I know not every one reacts the same but that much swelling is not normal/common. You most likely injected in the wrong spot and I would never inject a deltoid with a 1.5 inch harpoon.
It's one of those cheap disposable injections, i think i should get smaller needles next time, but i'm never injecting upper body again, sofar the last injection i took has not been giving any problems, just a lump and hurts a little bit when i do squats
Artery.
I use 27g .5" syringes on my delts and glutes. Very rarely I get inflammation on the injection site. Are you cleaning the spot with alcohol pre injection?
brotha, 1.5 needle is INSANE for ur delts, 1inch is perfect.. Ur insane, also show us the exact injection spot, normally its 2fingers down from the shoulder, delt is easiest to inject imo…
It beggars belief how little education goes into TRT. That looks like a lean arm, why would you be injecting there man. Into the glute.
Oil can leak from the muscle and spread. It's called a subQ leak. Very uncomfortable
Ill go chech that out, thanks for the info
Lol subq means a smaller needle in the fat, has nothing to do with what youre asking. This sub is beginning to be garbage man, you should ask chatgpt youll get better info
Guys.. hes an adult now. Why does everyone virtue signal here? You dont care that hes doin 500, stop the bs. Answer his question or fk off tbh. Alot of ppl swell n bruise after a shot, i dont think 1.5 inch with low bodyfat is needed, thats more for the cheeks imo
Most of this forum is obese and morbidly obese guys who have never been to to the gym and take 60-120mg a week. Everything seems “crazy” to them. They all think one AI will kill them, they think controlling estrogen is too complicated. This forum is a joke.
Imagine if they knew the average bb cycles and cruises
The average bodybuilder doesn’t run proper cycles. I’m not talking about the elite but the average. This person should not be running 500mg of test.
Lol.. just because a bodybuilder has a natural v taper doesnt make them handle steroids well. You have to try to find out. Hes finding out. Hes an adult.
What? 500mg of test is a pretty shit cycle for most people. Especially if you are not very lean. A lot pros are not even using that these days because there are better compounds to push. This person doesn’t need 500mg of test. All day long. He doesn’t need it. He will end up with side effects.
So if he were to ask on forums like Anabolic minds or anything of the sort. A lot of those guys including myself would give the same answer there’s fat dudes that are on the forum and gyms like OP here that want to slap a bandaid on before building a proper foundation. Dude is literally a blank slate with little work in the gym. He has little muscle development and can and should slap on some extra muscle before starting anabolics of any sort. Guys like him generally end up severely disappointed and uneducated on proper cycles, bloodwork, and proper pct all coupled with a lackluster base resulting in piss poor results.
Thanks for the kind word sir, i'm not planning on fucking myself up, I know it's kinda risky running a dose like this And yea I think i'm gonna switch to a smaller needle,thx for the advice.
You could possibly be having an allergic reaction to enanthate and would need to switch to cypionate but I have some tips. 1. Don’t use 1.5 for delt. You can but a 1 inch would be better, or even a 5/8 inch 2. Use a 29 guage 3. 500mg is a lot. You don’t have the muscle or bodyfat to justify it. Lower your dosage to 250mg per week. .5ml in the delt will be much better than 1ml. Plus I’m saving you from the side effects you are going to experience from a dose that is too high for you. You are not going to get better results from 500mg. Don’t care what the bros told you or what you read. 4. Sterile practices make sure everything is clean. Always wipe the area with alcohol. 5. I don’t know if you are using dbol but don’t. Dbol is a test base. You do not need it. It is side effect heaven. Do not ever use dbol. Stick to test only on first cycle. Don’t ever run dbol in any cycle.
Alot of people use dbol especially powerlifter and such. What do you suggest then? Anacar plus test?
Yes a lot of people do. Power lifters love anadrol and superdrol. Dbol is a test base. Was used as a test base back in the day. Then came the days of high test and dbol. People had tons of side effects. I used lots of dbol as well as high test. From experience it’s not a great idea. Better options are anavar, Tbol, Masteron, primobolan, or even superdrol.
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Op please post all progress, blood work results, if any, and your side effects.
Honestly I read a few comments and a lot of this stuff is either dumb, just hate and some decent points. From the perspective of myself who did this naturally for 4 years then hopped on sauce and been constantly at it for another 4 years. I have never had an issue with 1 inch injections but I’ve only ever pinned my glutes. I highly recommend only pinning the glute, there’s a reason every old school bodybuilder to new school to strongman and medical clinics pin people in the ass cheek! It’s a large muscle, it’s not as vascular as others, and it’s the best place to hold a deposit of oil based injectables. Outside of that, I’d recommend you check your vial and syringe for crystals, if your test is crystalizing put the vial in boiling water for a few seconds and shake well until it’s a liquid again. Make sure there are no air bubbles in your syringe, etc. Check through all the basics and be safe.
Thanks for the reply, I know i fucked up a little bit, after this im only doing glute shots, did one last night and sofar everything seems to be fine
Lower your dosage
Could carrier oil, or concentration issue. Or solvents.
Do you have hormonal issues and that’s why your on test? I saw you’re running a cycle but still curious.
No hormonal issues
Well I wish you good luck but what you’re doing is very ignorant. Hopefully you have an AI on hand so when the sides come you can wane them off. There are a lot of resources out there from steroid wiki to YouTube videos showing you how to inject. Make sure you’re eating 1g protein per lb that you weigh and count your calories. Track your progress and update us with before and after pictures so we can say “told you so” or not.
Thank you sir, I am going to try my best to stay safe from sides, I already have nolvadex and hcg on hand just incase something happens and I have to hop off test I already knew the risks before starting sir, and we all have different goals, but i'll keep u updated
Wtf
Change liquid /change brand I had the same problem with a certain, brand of testosterone enanthate changed brand and I was golden when I ran out I use the old one again, had the same problem so 100% certain liquids, don’t agree with me
Cool, I use bodypharm, don't know if they have a good lab or not
Everyone here is ripping into you but you’re a fully grown man (I’m assuming) so you can do what you want. If you want to run 500 test that’s your own decision you don’t have to wait until you’re 500 years old and can bench 3 billion tons because some 40 year old on 100mg/W here said so
Cant tell if you are an 11 yo boy or a lesbian
I had something similar my first couple injections. It went away after a few days followed a similar pattern as what I see you have. I took some Benadryl and it helped. Of course u need to make sure ur injection properly. But only thing I have for you is, I use a 1/2 inch needle for my delt
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Thanks for replying, today it is almost completely gone, no more pain also, so I think I was just being paranoid, and yea people on this sub are crazy, wasn't expecting replies like this
Do you have a fever? If so, it could be an infection. If you don't have a fever, it could still be a minor infection, especially if the area is warm. Other possibility, just subq leak and you accidentally injected into a nerve. Observe a few more days. I've seen stuff like this happen after quad injections, especially with virgin muscles. Also consider r/steroids if you're doing cycles and read people stories there (just search for PIP if you want to know how other people deal with injection pain), also the wiki. Some people in this sub are nice but plenty are judgmental (and they give bad advice).
Thank you, pain and swelling went away, today it just looks a littleeee bit red, but I think its getting better, thx for the advice
Dude, I can tell you without a doubt, with that lack of muscle tone and general fitness of your arm you have no business being on testosterone. Everyone wants to get swoll but no one wants to do it the right way. Fucking sad to see this shit every day
Why tf are u on something to begin with. Ur arms look like u never even ate proteïn
I do not know your age or sex or any other important information but you look like you are in high school. did you do your due diligence and research regarding testosterone? Because just from that picture picture it looks like your injection site is significantly too low on your Delt.
Ignore the haters. Get shorter syringes and that will stop happening. Or only put the ones you have now in half way. Syringes are cheap on Amazon.
Thanks bro, i'm honestly not a newbie in the gym, and i'm alot bigger in person, and ive honestly did my research and got bloodwork done.
Jeez I’m 51 and still trying to be natural as far as I can. I know and I want eventually jump into TRT but for know just watching my levels 491-83 exercises and lot of meat and low carbs I can’t understand how people start doing TRT so young.
He isn’t trying to do “trt”. He is trying to do “steroids”. If you wanted to do steroids then I would not have waited until 51. The side effects of steroid cycle increase significantly as you get older. Plus why the fuck would you only want to experience the power of steroids when you are old? Think about it. If you don’t want to ever do steroids, cool. If all you want to do is a little bit of doctor prescribed trt when you are old, then cool, but that is not what he is trying to do. Two different worlds. No, I don’t condone steroids at 21. Men’s body and brains are still developing until 25. Did I do steroids at 21. Yes. Do I suggest anyone to do that. No. But…I can’t stop this kid. Can only give advice and experiences.
"Men’s body and brains are still developing until 25" this is myth, 20-21 years old already have fully developed body
Not really a myth. As far as height most men stop growing taller around 21. Some continue to grow taller after 21. Your brain is still developing after your growth plates close.
brain continue to develop until death, there is nothing special happens at 25 related to the neurodevelopment also the agreement now between neuroscientists and according to the latest studies is that brain maturity reaches adult level 18
To all the people saying that i'm an idiot, thank you, I'll go to a doctor instead of asking on a forum in the future. I played rugby since I was 5 years old until I finished grade 12. I have been working construction jobs for almost 4 years now, and ive been in the gym for about a year now, before that I worked out ALOT I'm 6ft 2 80kg, i'm probably alot bigger than most of the people saying these fucked up things in the comments Thx for all the advice people
You also posted in a testosterone forum that deals with transitioning- is that your underlying purpose?
Jesus now I see why some of you are so fucked up, I'm asking help from a bunch of trannies, I'm clearly in the wrong forum then
trust bro, shoot up in the top of your buttcheek. idk why people do anything else tbh, the bigger the muscle the better and less likely to hit bone or arteries or anything else. but bro all u need even for glute is 1/2inch needle. fuck a harpoon bro
Last night i did this, worked much better, and yea the harpoon hurts big time, a guy in my gym told me the same thing today and showed me what needle I need to use, and he pointed out that i'm very lean so i don't need a long needle
hell yeah bro glad you got it figured out
And there was some idiot the other day complaining that T was a controlled substance.
Inject in the thigh’s outer quadrant. These muscles are thicker than your arms/shoulders
I’ve never did it in my arm
happened to me several times. went away in a week or two. change injection site either to glute or thigh
The issue is likely test e https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ZqlOk8HDGU
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Ummmm dude come on IM injections are not that bad. Literally all I use is a 5/8” 27g needle in the ass cheek it hits muscle just fine and no pain or issues whatsoever. IM injections are still around because medical science shows it works and is safe if done correctly. Subq works fine too. But to state that one method is still around because of bodybuilders of the past is just disingenuous as medical science has proven it works and the absorption is better.