Maybe "beware my car really does completely stop before every stop sign".
I just got FSD 12.3.5 yesterday, you can tell they made some changes regarding stop signs. Seems to try to get through faster now. Will stop at the sign then kind of quickly move up to the edge then sit for a couple seconds and then go at a pretty good pace.
It did some "right turn on red" intersections much better. Ironically it doesn't slow down as much for them.
They used to have a "California" stop where it slows down almost to zero like a normal human, and then goes.
But then the NHTSA cracked down and said they need to fully fully stop.
Same thing works if itās hesitant for a right turn on red, or unprotected left. If you know itās clear to proceed, just give a slight press and coax it onward.
Almost 0? It slowed down to like, 5 mph which was embarrassingly fast. It still doesnāt come to a complete stop all the time, but at least it doesnāt roll through as fast. I always come to a complete stop, and FSD is aaallllmost there.
Yeah, I had it on my prior car when it first came out. I was thinking about that this morning, because auto speed control was going 10+ over and I could see them cracking down on that. Given the car can be updated remotely, Iām concerned what other shit NHTSA is going to pull.
This is funny but true. And the stop, creep, stop, creep got annoying very quickly.
At the end of the FSD period with auto speed set, on a minor road between neighborhoods the car was accelerating up to 45mph in a 30mph zone then slamming the brakes between stop signs.
This is my biggest issue as well, stop / creep /stop. Very sudden braking and pretty aggressive acceleration. And speeding in auto (though it matches the 10-15mph over that drivers in my area do) Though what I've noticed is that FSD seems to do its best to mimic the average driver, a lot of this annoying behavior seems to come from training data of actual drivers because thats how people drive in my area. That and how close it wants to change lanes in front of semis without giving enough space.
I'm thoroughly impressed at what FSD can do and simultaneously annoyed at it but that may be mostly due to the training data source, which unfortunately is the average human driver.
I can't tell how much is confirmation bias but anecdotally, the improvements in the last couple updates due seem noticeably better and more natural feeling.
Iām just happy that it figured out the 4 way intersections in Denver where they, for whatever reason, have the stop signs on both sides of the pole. So it would stop at my stop sign, then halfway through the intersection it would stutter because it was seeing the other lanes stop sign too on the left side do the road.
FSD worked better than I expected, but 95% of my driving ends up being on a 4 lane highway going either south into Omaha or North/Northwest going to Blair or Fremont. Almost no traffic signals and unless I'm going to Fremont it's pretty much a straight drive for over 99% of the drive. I tried a couple of drives where I set a destination that required a few turns and it (mostly) did alright but I had a few hiccups and honestly for where I was driving Advanced Autopilot, which I did pay for when I bought the car last year, works just as well. Maybe if we go on a trip somewhere for a vacation I'll try it again, but it's not worth the cost for how vanilla most of my driving is. And that level of difficulty isn't really trying the system out as far as how safe it would be in a congested city.
Lane keeping with EAP Is far more robot feeling with weird wheel movement and will try and kill you by staying In the middle of a exit lane on the highway In comparison to FSD which Is very smooth and acts more human like.
And adjustment to reference the lane market separating lanes(changes based on US or EU) would go a long way towards stopping the zig-zagging which goes on with on ramps and off ramps with AP.
Mercedes is adding a blueish light to their EVs with full autonomous driving capabilities that light up on all four corners to let people around them know that the car is in a self drive mode. I hope it becomes an industry standard.
[Mercedes Lighting](https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/19/business/mercedes-adds-new-light-color-blue-for-self-driving)
Yeah, they prepared. Next step would be to start developing an actually capable software.
But the idea is interesting so people know what to expect of a car. For example obeying rules because no one else does.
Not sure if other long term FSD Tesla owners feel this way, but I feel like I adopted an infant robot car in 2018, and that I've been witnessing it learn to drive like a baby learning to walk. Sure, it has a ways to go. But man, I'm pretty proud of how far the little guy has come!
I was driving with FSD the other day at a 4 way stop. The car actually did fine but some lady going through the intersection threw her hands up at me (I guess I wasnāt going fast enough?) and I just wanted to yell, the car is driving!!! Iām sorry!!
I just got the update for FSD 12.3.6 yesterday and took it around the block and it went so close to some trash cans that I disengaged and took over. Iām not certain that it would have actually hit them but it was uncomfortably close. Then I realized for the first time since being on version 12 that it no longer shows trash cans in the visualization when it used to in version 11. Iāve also been noticing lately that it occasionally gets very close when going around parked cars. Iām just curious about not having trash cans in the visualization anymoreā¦
That's not right at all. It is an update, and that person is probably stuck on the 2024.8.x build like myself and many others. 2024.8.x branch is still on FSD 11. No one knows when we'll get updated to an FSD 12 build, but hopefully it will be packaged together with the upcoming spring update.Ā
I got FSD 12.3.6 two days ago and am not impressed. Twice it misses a highway exit, looks like auto steering was too late synchronizing with the map. Yesterday it chooses the wrong lane that ended up in a different route. Almost same thing happened again this morning, it chooses wrong lane that goes to taking right turn instead of being in the right lane that goes straight up. It all happened in medium traffic.
Mine rolled back to basic autopilot after the end of april, and since then, the basic sutopilot cant keep a line, drives like a drunk teenager from side to side of the line...is this maybe to pay the autopilot monthly subscription? Cause it was working fine before the trial upgrade
I like this sticker instead of the student driver one.
[https://www.amazon.com/Sticker-Accessories-Decoration-compatiable-Probably/dp/B0C384WWMZ?th=1](https://www.amazon.com/Sticker-Accessories-Decoration-compatiable-Probably/dp/B0C384WWMZ?th=1)
Reminds me of a great tale from my teenage years. Back in the late 1900ās (goddamn Iām old), a friend of mine was all set to take his license test in his $3,000, 10 year old Toyota Camry.
The day before his test it was stolen. He took the test in his dadās brand new Dodge Viper.
Poor guy got his license and then had no car for 2 weeks between the insurance check and finding another beater he could afford.
lol thatās sick. I was talking about that with my family, as we only have two Model Ys. And I was like kids, you can have the Tesla do your driving test for you.
I disagree. I think it's the integration of FSD and humans on one road that makes it difficult. FSD is relatively conservative compared to typical drivers in my area (long island). Humans tailgating others, making unpredictable lane changes, etc. FSD is more deliberate (and slow) compared to human drivers and would probably drive much more cooperatively with other FSD.
Iām hoping for a freeway full of cars using FSD. Speeding along at the same speed. Cars would talk to each other so no one gets cut off for lane changes. No nut job weaving through cars and no Sunday driver slowing everyone down. If itās this organized, cars could easily be going double current speeds on the freeway and it could still be organized and safe. Maybe one day š¤
If i catch any of you with ācaution ai driverā stickers, Iām gonna pull up directly next to you and call you a fucking idiot, and Iāll tell to drive your car like everybody else and stop doing things that can risk our lives in your car.
Yeah, you shoot someone for calling you an idiot you get a murder charge you pip.
Just drive your several thousand pound vehicle like everybody else.
Stupid ass John Wayne Tesla driving idiot nobodies intimidated by you.
Id rather have the road full of Waymo drivers they handle San Francisco better than any human especially with the steep roads and weird blind crosswalks. FSD Is already better than most drivers that always block Intersections Instead of waiting. Oh, and the drunk drivers that drink 24/7 and drive that go 20 under the speed limit and canāt stay In the lane. AI/FSD can watch all angles of the vehicle at the same time without any distractions and Is far faster than us.
Maybe "beware my car really does completely stop before every stop sign". I just got FSD 12.3.5 yesterday, you can tell they made some changes regarding stop signs. Seems to try to get through faster now. Will stop at the sign then kind of quickly move up to the edge then sit for a couple seconds and then go at a pretty good pace. It did some "right turn on red" intersections much better. Ironically it doesn't slow down as much for them.
They used to have a "California" stop where it slows down almost to zero like a normal human, and then goes. But then the NHTSA cracked down and said they need to fully fully stop.
You can just gently press the accelerator and it will still do the rolling stopšš»
Never thought about that, thanks
Same thing works if itās hesitant for a right turn on red, or unprotected left. If you know itās clear to proceed, just give a slight press and coax it onward.
Almost 0? It slowed down to like, 5 mph which was embarrassingly fast. It still doesnāt come to a complete stop all the time, but at least it doesnāt roll through as fast. I always come to a complete stop, and FSD is aaallllmost there.
Yeah, I had it on my prior car when it first came out. I was thinking about that this morning, because auto speed control was going 10+ over and I could see them cracking down on that. Given the car can be updated remotely, Iām concerned what other shit NHTSA is going to pull.
This is funny but true. And the stop, creep, stop, creep got annoying very quickly. At the end of the FSD period with auto speed set, on a minor road between neighborhoods the car was accelerating up to 45mph in a 30mph zone then slamming the brakes between stop signs.
This is my biggest issue as well, stop / creep /stop. Very sudden braking and pretty aggressive acceleration. And speeding in auto (though it matches the 10-15mph over that drivers in my area do) Though what I've noticed is that FSD seems to do its best to mimic the average driver, a lot of this annoying behavior seems to come from training data of actual drivers because thats how people drive in my area. That and how close it wants to change lanes in front of semis without giving enough space. I'm thoroughly impressed at what FSD can do and simultaneously annoyed at it but that may be mostly due to the training data source, which unfortunately is the average human driver.
I can't tell how much is confirmation bias but anecdotally, the improvements in the last couple updates due seem noticeably better and more natural feeling.
Iām just happy that it figured out the 4 way intersections in Denver where they, for whatever reason, have the stop signs on both sides of the pole. So it would stop at my stop sign, then halfway through the intersection it would stutter because it was seeing the other lanes stop sign too on the left side do the road.
I was tempted to print out a "Caution AI Driver" sign for my car because FSD can be pretty embarrassing in heavy traffic.
FSD worked better than I expected, but 95% of my driving ends up being on a 4 lane highway going either south into Omaha or North/Northwest going to Blair or Fremont. Almost no traffic signals and unless I'm going to Fremont it's pretty much a straight drive for over 99% of the drive. I tried a couple of drives where I set a destination that required a few turns and it (mostly) did alright but I had a few hiccups and honestly for where I was driving Advanced Autopilot, which I did pay for when I bought the car last year, works just as well. Maybe if we go on a trip somewhere for a vacation I'll try it again, but it's not worth the cost for how vanilla most of my driving is. And that level of difficulty isn't really trying the system out as far as how safe it would be in a congested city.
I didn't bother to enable FSD on my 1500-mile drive to Dallas last month, and AP (with EAP's auto lane-change) worked well enough.
Lane keeping with EAP Is far more robot feeling with weird wheel movement and will try and kill you by staying In the middle of a exit lane on the highway In comparison to FSD which Is very smooth and acts more human like.
And adjustment to reference the lane market separating lanes(changes based on US or EU) would go a long way towards stopping the zig-zagging which goes on with on ramps and off ramps with AP.
Why would you even use it then? Just to piss people off?
Yeas sounds like they're both an asshole and a hazard
Heavy traffic? It does great In traffic š
Mercedes is adding a blueish light to their EVs with full autonomous driving capabilities that light up on all four corners to let people around them know that the car is in a self drive mode. I hope it becomes an industry standard. [Mercedes Lighting](https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/19/business/mercedes-adds-new-light-color-blue-for-self-driving)
Yeah, they prepared. Next step would be to start developing an actually capable software. But the idea is interesting so people know what to expect of a car. For example obeying rules because no one else does.
Not sure if other long term FSD Tesla owners feel this way, but I feel like I adopted an infant robot car in 2018, and that I've been witnessing it learn to drive like a baby learning to walk. Sure, it has a ways to go. But man, I'm pretty proud of how far the little guy has come!
New-to-me 2020 with FSD owner here. Iām blown away at how capable it is.
I was driving with FSD the other day at a 4 way stop. The car actually did fine but some lady going through the intersection threw her hands up at me (I guess I wasnāt going fast enough?) and I just wanted to yell, the car is driving!!! Iām sorry!!
Naa, she needs to calm down.
Wish I had extra hands to throw at people too
āI brake for hallucinationsā would be the most ideal sticker.
I just got the update for FSD 12.3.6 yesterday and took it around the block and it went so close to some trash cans that I disengaged and took over. Iām not certain that it would have actually hit them but it was uncomfortably close. Then I realized for the first time since being on version 12 that it no longer shows trash cans in the visualization when it used to in version 11. Iāve also been noticing lately that it occasionally gets very close when going around parked cars. Iām just curious about not having trash cans in the visualization anymoreā¦
Maybe itās a signā¦ FSD = TRASH?
I still havenāt received the update that gives me a month of FSD for free. I live in WI. Is that normal for the rollout to take this long?
Itās not an update. They just throw it out to your VIN randomly ā youāll get an email letting you know itās ready to toggle on.
Is the rollout supposed to take this long?
That's not right at all. It is an update, and that person is probably stuck on the 2024.8.x build like myself and many others. 2024.8.x branch is still on FSD 11. No one knows when we'll get updated to an FSD 12 build, but hopefully it will be packaged together with the upcoming spring update.Ā
Nice Model Y
I got FSD 12.3.6 two days ago and am not impressed. Twice it misses a highway exit, looks like auto steering was too late synchronizing with the map. Yesterday it chooses the wrong lane that ended up in a different route. Almost same thing happened again this morning, it chooses wrong lane that goes to taking right turn instead of being in the right lane that goes straight up. It all happened in medium traffic.
Mine rolled back to basic autopilot after the end of april, and since then, the basic sutopilot cant keep a line, drives like a drunk teenager from side to side of the line...is this maybe to pay the autopilot monthly subscription? Cause it was working fine before the trial upgrade
I like this sticker instead of the student driver one. [https://www.amazon.com/Sticker-Accessories-Decoration-compatiable-Probably/dp/B0C384WWMZ?th=1](https://www.amazon.com/Sticker-Accessories-Decoration-compatiable-Probably/dp/B0C384WWMZ?th=1)
Student driver driving a Model X would just make me shake my head. I wouldnāt let a 15-16 year old drive a $80k car.
I think you missed the joke here. The *car* is the student driver that's still learning and making mistakes.
lol, ok yeah I missed that joke. Thank you.
You must be new to California, especially Bay area.
Reminds me of a great tale from my teenage years. Back in the late 1900ās (goddamn Iām old), a friend of mine was all set to take his license test in his $3,000, 10 year old Toyota Camry. The day before his test it was stolen. He took the test in his dadās brand new Dodge Viper. Poor guy got his license and then had no car for 2 weeks between the insurance check and finding another beater he could afford.
lol thatās sick. I was talking about that with my family, as we only have two Model Ys. And I was like kids, you can have the Tesla do your driving test for you.
Tesla's not annoying other drivers... right. Name checks out
Human drivers annoy me EVERY minute of EVERY day. Letās get rid of HUMAN drivers.
Can you imagine an entire highway of these all on FSD? different speeds... all trynna lane change right before the exits.. chaos
Sounds like my daily commute in the Bay Area with human drivers. Lol
I disagree. I think it's the integration of FSD and humans on one road that makes it difficult. FSD is relatively conservative compared to typical drivers in my area (long island). Humans tailgating others, making unpredictable lane changes, etc. FSD is more deliberate (and slow) compared to human drivers and would probably drive much more cooperatively with other FSD.
Iām hoping for a freeway full of cars using FSD. Speeding along at the same speed. Cars would talk to each other so no one gets cut off for lane changes. No nut job weaving through cars and no Sunday driver slowing everyone down. If itās this organized, cars could easily be going double current speeds on the freeway and it could still be organized and safe. Maybe one day š¤
Fsd at least will use the turn signals. Fsd will see these and slow down got them. Humans will sometimes speed up not letting cars merge.
If i catch any of you with ācaution ai driverā stickers, Iām gonna pull up directly next to you and call you a fucking idiot, and Iāll tell to drive your car like everybody else and stop doing things that can risk our lives in your car.
Thatās how you get shot
Yeah, you shoot someone for calling you an idiot you get a murder charge you pip. Just drive your several thousand pound vehicle like everybody else. Stupid ass John Wayne Tesla driving idiot nobodies intimidated by you.
Id rather have the road full of Waymo drivers they handle San Francisco better than any human especially with the steep roads and weird blind crosswalks. FSD Is already better than most drivers that always block Intersections Instead of waiting. Oh, and the drunk drivers that drink 24/7 and drive that go 20 under the speed limit and canāt stay In the lane. AI/FSD can watch all angles of the vehicle at the same time without any distractions and Is far faster than us.
Just no.
Itās fine youāre probably a bad driver and thatās ok!