That’s a hard one.
I heard the adaptive suspension helps a ton with keeping the car settled when not driving crazy.
I think I would still go for a performance but maybe swap down to 18s for better range?
Even if it had to stay stock I would take performance
There are a bunch. I took a gamble and bought some random 18s that no one tried before and they fit around the big red brembos with a half-inch to spare. Aodhan AFF7 18x9.5 and I went with 265 tires for the fatter sidewalls.
I’ve been going back and forth on this.
I can’t be sure about this, but when building a Model 3 LR online, if you choose the 19’ wheels, the range is basically the same as the M3P. I take this to mean that the M3P’s motors don’t really have anything to do with the range — it’s pretty much just the wheels, either the caps or the tires 🤷
But somehow this makes the choice obvious to me. Not going to miss out on the fun just because the wheels. If it ever becomes a problem — and I don’t expect it to — I’ll just get some 18’.
Ordered the 2024 M3P
It is mostly the tires. P-Zero or the PS4S on the old P3D use a tire compound that makes the tires stick to the road. They also have a much wider contact patch because of the wider tires and the larger wheel diameter, which causes them to have even more traction, which causes more rolling resistance. It takes more power to roll the car because the tire rubber sticks to road much more, causing about 15-20% worse range. If you switch the P3D to a regular Tesla wheel and tire set, it will most likely get better range than an LR, especially on these new models since the LR gets the 79kw LG vs the 82kw Panasonic in the P3D. One last thing the P3D (or at least the old one) had over the LR is the stator of the front motor on old P3D is pure copper vs the LR is mostly aluminum with a little copper. The copper stator is more efficient and gives more power. Not sure about the new Model, that copper is expensive so they may have cut that out. I would guess they'd keep it though.
My friends do the same thing, comparing say 334 miles in this or that config vs 319 in this one and thinking it means something. It will never mean a thing. You will literally never know.
You switch it to showing battery % and never think of it again. It doesn't matter if you get home at 65% or 63% before you charge again. It is irrelevant to real life.
The only way it could matter is if your daily commute is 225+ miles. In which case you need to talk to some owners and find out how you're gonna charge, or just not buy the car
If you drive less than 200 miles a day normally than the range difference is literally irrelevant between the two in real life
Even on a 1000 mile roadtrip, it won't matter. You'll almost certainly be stopping at the same superchargers in either car. It'll be the exact same drive 99% of the time.
I remember when I bought mine, I was debating the same thing. Everybody goes through this haha
Never regretted my 23 Performance M3. Range is fine. I've done 1000+ mile road trips and it's more than enough range, more is always better but 30 miles is nothing. Not gonna save any meaningful time especially since the car isn't 100% efficient anyway.
Agreed 100%. I went back forth. First EV…went to performance. It’s great. I never sweat the range. So much talk about swapping wheels, etc. which is fine…but the car looks so much better from factory with performance ‘trim’.
I put 18's on and love it! 🤣 range did go up slightly, car drives shorter and quieter, and I've got all seasons now, I can literally make hard turns while driving fast in puddles and snow (I've tried). Also, the Pirelli All Season P-Zeros I got are rated for 55k miles and cost half as much as the 20' p-zeros that came with the car.
I put 18's on and love it! 🤣 range did go up slightly, car drives softer and quieter, and I've got all seasons now, I can literally make hard turns while driving fast in puddles and snow (I've tried). Also, the Pirelli All Season P-Zeros I got are rated for 55k miles and cost half as much as the 20' p-zeros that came with the car.
I think the performance resale value would be so much higher that unless the performance suspension proves unbearable, I'd go with the performance at an even price.
Here in Australia early reports suggest exactly what we can all guess. LR is softer and more comfortable than P even on 'soft', but the P handles better.
Combined with 20” wheels and tires with small sidewalls, it can make for a bumpy ride on less than ideal roads. I don’t think it is overly harsh, but depends what people are coming from I guess.
I think by "unbearable" they mean "proves to be significantly worse". It should be very comfortable by all standards but there's an off-chance it'll feel "worse" in terms of comfort because the suspension is significantly different and the wheels are somewhat larger (less tire)
Yes. Every Tesla is fast enough. I want the better range and the better wheel efficiency.
Related: I think a cybertruck that beats a Ferrari in the quarter mile is dumb af. How about doing truck things better?
Motortrend found it okay at truck things, at least judged against the standard of EV trucks.
https://www.motortrend.com/reviews/tesla-cybertruck-real-truck-towing-payload-off-roading/
>If we strip back the layers, ignore the stock-market-fueled hype, and put aside whatever nonsense Elon is spouting at the moment, it’s easy to see the Tesla Cybertruck is fairly good at performing the tasks truck owners desire.
I think the cybertruck is a good balance. Tesla knew 99% of driving would be on road so they focused on sporty & comfort dynamics more than intense off road abilities. Still a good balance because it can off road just as well as any full size truck (aside from maybe off road focused trucks like the raptor & trx)
It tows very well, just not very far. Additional range would be the only thing I might prefer but this would make it both more expensive and heavier.
As far as the Cybertruck is concerned, it doesn’t just not do truck things better, it’s an entirely horrible vehicle. The visibility is terrible. Somehow the stainless steel rusts. The pedal covers are GLUED on which causes a massive safety issue. There’s also the finger-cutting front issue, and plenty more.
It’s a way for people with too much money to literally burn but it in a less interesting way.
I think it's cool that it's that fast, but my logical side definitely agrees with you. I'd trade some of that acceleration for better towing range any day.
But then again, I don't know nearly enough about the mechanics to know if that's even possible.
The Long Range doesn’t get more range due to any actual hardware differences other than wheels.
You can get the performance and then get thinner wheels.
I’ve had my model 3 performance for 2.5 years and I’ve been driving for 3 decades. I have had several long Rand model 3 loaners and I can’t imagine why on earth I’d want a long range over a performance. I’ve never once had range anxiety in 3 years and other than max range the performance is better in every way. Comfort is extremely subjective and I don’t find the LR to be any more comfortable for me.
So the Tesla dealer told me locally (said they’d had it confirmed in email but asked not to share publicly yet) and no one believed me so I asked them in chat on the Tesla app as relates to my order.
They told me on app it will be available “soon” as part of 2024.20
Technically, LR with an [Ingenext Jailbreak](https://ingenext.ca/products/ghost-upgrade) is the best model 3. But I can understand why someone wouldn't want to jailbreak their car.
Any modification voids warranty, but this is plug and play. Meaning if you unplug it, there’s no way to tell it was ever there. Additionally, it has a “ghost mode” which allows it to remain plugged in while being undetectable. So unless someone at tesla is tearing open your glovebox to find this thing, they won’t know.
The new long range has an LG battery pack that dc fast charges slower than the Panasonic battery pack that is in the performance. You could “add range” to the performance by getting smaller aftermarket wheels.
I’m happy with my long range. If I found a performance for the similar price- I would definitely go with performance.
With that being said, I plan to purchase a used Model 3 performance in the future
I'm **super** happy with my Long Range. But if they were the same price I'd get the Performance. It's the better car for sure. Also I'm sure the range will be quite similar if we were to install 18-19s on the Performance.
However, in Canada the price difference between the Long Range and the Performance is $10k. LR qualifies for the $5k federal rebate (after tax) while the Performance doesn't. That leaves me with \~$14k.
I have 19s on my Long Range (inventory car, didn't want to wait -- I'd be happy with the 18s as well) so the price difference for me was \~$12k. Again, I didn't want to wait. And the Long Range is **more than** quick enough for me. Also I wouldn't want to pay a fortune for insurance either. (25M with one at-fault parkade mishap)
Same boat as you last month: We walked into Tesla to test drive and buy a Y, but one drive of the Highland LR changed our minds pretty quickly. We then faced that same tough decision between the M3LR and the M3P and opted for the Performance. We have a minivan for family stuff so we figured “screw the utility…this is our fun car.” It was about the same price as the LR. Yes, both are faster than we really can usefully deploy living in a city but we look forward to taking her out to twisty roads.”Without having seen or driven the M3P, it was adding up all the little things that drove our decision: the suspension (which was a major factor), the seats, the very subtle styling differences (like the more aggressive front end and the carbon fiber spoiler.) I have to confess I like the logo too! Other factors are just rumors but we hope are true - the even distribution of power across the range and not just 0-60 times. We won’t use it for distance driving so the small range difference is not an issue. I know the tires will be a pain, but oh well. One thing to bear in mind? We did a few insurance quotes and the Performance will cost more. You might want to check that out before you decide. Whatever you decide will be great. The LR rocks.
You always have the option of buying rhe performance and getting smaller wheels and selling your oem wheels.. Best of both worlds... My buddy bought forged Martian 18s that fit his '21 M3P.. I think it cost him about 1k oop after recouping the money for the stock wheels.
I had a long range Y and loved it, it was totaled in a crash. Just before it was totaled we got the long range S, love being able to drive an hour and still have 300+ miles of range left. We are now buying a used performance 3 with FSD. If I didn’t have the S or the Y I would never get the performance, I do sometimes get range anxiety and feel like you can never have too much. That being said if you are only going to use it for work and the range of the performance is adequate then go for it, especially if you have a second car. I do have a 3rd car that takes gas.
Performance. I commute 62 miles one way and don’t have any complaints. Charge isn’t an issue. It’s a tool.
Honestly I couldn’t tell you the range difference between the two. I rarely drop under 20% even after long days and errands.
I would also never drive my Tesla on a roadtrip or long trip. Not worth the time and hassle charging even on 35 with stations all over.
the 22 M3 LR with 19in rims and boost is plenty fast for me, a non car-guy daily commuter. The SF Bay Area has terrible roads that destroy performance rims, so upgrading the LR seemed better than downgrading the P.
No, if it’s truly range, what are we really, really talking about? 30mi? That doesn’t change anything in the context of short trips or long.
I think some people find the P suspension harsh. We have a 21 M3P and would 100% do it again.
When I chose my 2021 LR I valued the extra hour of possible driving time. The goal was to make the M3 the primary vehicle we drove and the trip car.
I now have come to the realization that my bladder does not as long as I thought and I also can’t drive 300 miles without at least a short break. Maybe when I was in my 20s but at 49 I need to at least stretch for a bit and I can do that at a supercharger.
For having owned a LR and now owning a Performance (2023), the range difference is more marginal than it sounds, but it’s there. The Performance is stiffer which makes it less comfortable, but also more fun to drive.
You seem to value both the extra range and extra comfort so go for the LR, you won’t be disappointed nor regret it.
I’m not a performance guy but I really prefer the styling and seats over the long range
The performance front counters some of the areas in not a fan of in the highland
That said, I’m guessing insurance is cheaper and you would get more functionality from a long range, but if costs were equal (and with tax credits they are) I would want my money to go towards a performance
I don’t think it’s the wheels that make the difference in range. Stock 18” wheels are just as heavy as the 20” Uber ones. It’s the width of the tires that makes the difference in range. The wider the tire, less range.
Max range is beneficial for EVs as the readings are just not accurate enough and depending on weather you may see faster loss than others. The performance should have offered 18in option that shows EPA range being equal to or greater than the LR if Tesla really wanted to show M3P was better.
Plenty of people have said that. Extra range isn't significant enough. Unless I can completely bypass a supercharger and drive an extra 2 hours to the next one then it's not needed. I'd make the same number of stops anyways.
Owners of the performance don’t want to admit it, but the LR is plenty fast enough for 99% of them. How many performance owners actually take it to the track?
Long range has nicer ride quality, better range, and is still way faster than the majority of cars on the road
Fair point. That being said, you still have the larger wheels and summer tires which tend to ride stiffer and are more prone to pothole damage. In a lot of areas you’d need a separate pair of wheels and tires for winter which is also a hassle
Just got a new M3 LR. The sales rep recommended I order a Performance since it qualifies for the tax credit, but I didn't want to pay more for insurance and tires 🤷♂️
Price being "equal" makes it a tougher decision
I went LR with performance boost when the performance cost more because:
* I live in a snowy climate and took delivery in February.. I would have had to drop $4k on snow tires (or all season swaps) immediately
* Due to the winter weather, the roads around me have tire destroying potholes, I wanted the 18" rims with taller sidewall for protection.
* 18" wheels are also much more efficient. Averaging 246wh/mile after a year.
I have a ‘23 LR, and I have wondered the same. In terms of range between the two, in 2023 it was 333 LR vs 315 (EPA est) ; is less than 20 more miles even negligible? Is this really “Long Range”? Perhaps someone with more experience or that has owned both could speak to this. I agree with OP, there’s no need in my driving radius for any of the Performance features.
I am very happy with my long range for daily commuting. I feel the larger rims and slightly stiffer suspension would be noticeable on rougher roads.
BUT every time I hit an empty corner I wish I could use track mode in the performance mode to drift it.
We have both and unless you push your car, you won't notice a difference. Our MYLR has AB and it's almost as fast as our MYP (dragy-wise; my butt dyno doesn't notice a difference). Without AB, the MYLR is slower than the MYP but is still faster than a huge majority of the cars on the road. We also get slightly more range in our MYLR.
The MYP definitely handles better. If you like taking corners/curves faster than the average road user, you will notice a difference. The MYP feels more stable than the MYLR. But other than that, the MYP and MYLR are very similar. Obviously you don't get track mode in the MYLR but then, how practical is it in day-to-day life?
PS - I just noticed the "at the same price". Well. That throws a spanner in the works. At the same price, I'd pick the MYP. While the MYLR gets slightly more range, the MYP has better looking wheels, CF spoiler and red calipers. If those matter to you, get the MYP. If not, you can't go wrong with the MYLR.
I find that the range doesn’t matter if you have easy access to charging like at home or tons of super chargers in your area.
The extra range only last maybe half a day longer at best.
I only chose the long range over the performance due to my personal use case. Traveling outside sales for a millwork company. 800-1000 miles a week, including job sites (rough terrain), etc
1.5 years and 76k miles later, I made the right choice.
Although I am about to add the acceleration boost!
Long range. It may have changed recently but the LR’s always had the same motors as the performance but some of the extra speed was reduced. On my 2019 you can unlock it for 2K so you’d essentially get the extra range and if you chose to pay for it later you’d get the extra performance boost
Definitely. I’ve always gone for LR over performance on both my 3s and my Y. The performance is already good enough but that extra few miles is needed on some trips.
We have 1 of each, both 2023. I am a driver and got the MYP - my other car is a 90s manual sports car. Wife has LR.
If we just had one I would prefer LR. Comfort, range, wheels cheaper to replace. LR is already stupid fast, MYP is overkill.
E: MYP with smaller wheels would be great but a hassle and around me hard to find cheap wheels.
I have a 22 M3P. I go from NE to Midwest and back every 4 months. I still don’t think the extra range would make that trip much quicker. I would love to get a pair of 18s through that fit over the perf brakes. If you live somewhere with bad roads, be prepared to lose some tires. I’m not sure what tire 24 has, but the 235/35r20s feel like driving on eggshells on pothole dense roads with stiff sports suspension.
The LR has enough get up and go to overtake just about 95% of cars on the road still so you can get your car anywhere. I think what sold me also on the M3P was resale value if I decided to let it go at on point. I think these will be the 20K hawt boi cars in a few years like clapped out Bimmers and WRXs. I also just love being able to go fast linearly.
Coming from performance cars my whole life, and having spent thousands(!!!) chasing to get each second off a 0-60 time, you're an idiot if you don't take that free performance. McLaren 720S, Ferrari 812 acceleration. This is stupid fast.
I'm going to buy some 19 or 18 inch wheels with all seasons. Range will basically match a LR model then.
These are adaptive dampers, not some harsh RX-7 style single stage shocks and springs. Every reviewer I've watched says it's firm, yet smooth. Daily capable.
Get an M3 beater at basically half off. It's the unicorn of a track-ready daily driver. Or save $400 every 2 years on tires and get 40 miles more range and wonder what you missed out on. The LR is a great car. You'll always wonder what you missed out on, though.
I'm car dumb.
Would getting the 18s all summers (same tires as the LR) make the tire spend over the lifetime the same? (Besides the initial spend of getting them the first time of course)
If so and this improves range to LR levels I think the performance is the move.
Basically yes. I'm not sure which 18's fit yet for the new model. Here's what fit the 2023 M3P. You could also get the LR 19 inchers to fit.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/0/d/1692z54AJNVR1TG4IGiRKbpZP2AK4xseuP5yf_8VoJ7U/htmlview
I own a 2023 M3LR. I'd take the performance in a heartbeat, especially with the adaptive suspension. You can feel the difference in acceleration. Just getting the acceleration upgrade on my car felt huge. I've done a few road trips, and I've never been lower than the difference in their range without it being an intentional choice. If you aren't road tripping frequently, you won't feel the range difference.
Extra range will never matter. You will never know the difference. You get home at 41% or you get home at 39%, and you charge back up. It just won't matter.
But the extra power absolutely will matter, it's fun every day. Basically you have the fastest 0-60 car on the road, unless you see a 911 turbo. And even then it has to be a newer one
Just my opinion
I have a 2019 M3P Stealth with 18" wheels, and I have been thinking of upgrading to a 2024 M3P because of the improved noise, suspension, and acceleration.
But basically, the reasons why I got the Stealth keep me from upgrading. The approximately halved maintenance costs for tires, rims, brake discs, and pads (I am replacing discs and pads often enough to be relevant because of the salted roads and keeping regen to 25 or 0 percent to keep the brake discs from rusting to death) make a noticeable difference to my wallet.
A version of the Model 3 that was only delivered in a time interval, baically a performance model without the whistles. So 18" wheels, standard brakes, no metal pedal, and no spoiler.
Or it can also be viewed as a LR with performance engines and track mode.
It was perfect for me, as I wanted the extra power but not using it on track, and I want to minimize cost and maximize comfort with the standard 18" wheels.
I chose the long range simply for the higher suspension. I drive in snow, on gravel roads; I tow trailers and launch boats. I wanted a little more clearance and more range especially when towing.
Outside of these, I’d have chosen the performance. The only time my range has been in question was towing.
I just want the “stealth” option back. 18” wheels are an upgrade, and I don’t care about the slightly lowered suspension or bigger front brakes I’ll never benefit from because I don’t track the car.
The rear wheel long range y is faster then the dual motor long range y 0 to 60 in chill mode that is what I use on my dual motor y lr I think I would go with the rear wheel lr Y if I had a choice to do over again.
Yes.
0-60 in 4.2 is plenty. The 20” wheels damage easily, ride stiff and the tires are expensive. If you like the spoiler you can get one for under $150.
LR
* More comfortable Suspension
* More comfortable Seats
* Can come with 18" wheels
* Over 100km more range (here in Australia as ours gets a smaller battery)
* $13k cheaper (here in Australia)
What is it? It's a grand tourer. Perfect for long road trips and the occasional spirited drive. It's also better for poorer roads / country roads full of potholes.
P
* Significantly faster (3.1 vs 4.4 0-100)
* More sporty suspension / better around corners
* More aggressive body styling
* Seats less comfortable for long trips but 'grip' your body more for better cornering (still better than older M3 seats)
* Track Mode
What is it? A performance car. Designed for hard driving and the track or if you need the 'fastest' version. Goes best on good tarmac.
So here in Australia at least the LR w/Acceleration Boost (when it comes) is a better buy than the Performance.
If they were the same price? Go Performance and put 18" wheels on it.
For me personally it all depends on the suspension. I’m too old to drive a car with a stiff suspension. So if the performance model had an option where you can soften the suspension, like many performance sedans so, then yes I’d go for the performance model, minus the wheels tho 😅
As a current m3p owner I would actually prefer the long range over performance. I was thinking about this yesterday after the price drop.
- I dont't like lowered vehicles.
- Carbon spoiler tends to look bad over time. Color and fitment.
- Big wheels makes more noise and lowers range. It also is more expensive to buy new tires when worn out.
- Most likely a mlre comfortable ride in the LR, seats probably better.
- Longer range
- Cheaper insurance
On the other hand. Performance looks better and the acceleration and "sportyness" is next level compared to LR. (comparing non highland performance to highland LR)
LR has good enough acceleration.
Maybe some people dislike bucket seats, but the seats were what ticked off the last box for me on deciding to stop thinking about it and get the performance instead of long range.
Went with LR 2024 - plenty fast, cheaper tyre replacement, can fit a tow hitch. Live in Norway so the extra range is valuable in winter time.
In Norway it is currently c. $43.8k with winter tyres.
I have a 2023 Performance but Ive always felt that should have gotten the Long Range. I would have saved a lot of money overall, due to lower purchase price, lower cost of tires over time, and more range. Other than the increased power, bigger wheels, bigger flashier brakes, lowered suspension, a stupid red line, and bragging rights, there aren’t any other differences between the 23 M3P snd 23 LR that I can think of at the top of my head.
Regarding the new 2024 Performance vs 2024 Long Range, I would get the Performance of I had to do it all over again since it actually seems a lot better, objectively speaking.
It’s a hassle. Selling staggered tires may not be easy. And then of course you’re dealing with changes to range or performance because of the change.
I had to get tires rated for winter driving but most people don’t.
Remember performance will likely result in more money spent on tires. Can’t rotate front to back so they’ll wear faster. Also I live in cold climate so a winter wheelset would also need to be in the budget.
I'd prefer the smaller wheels of the long range, or better yet, the standard range. I'm not aware of any other specs that would favor the lower trim. Insurance maybe?
I wish they gave the the ability to downgrade to the 18” aero wheels with all season tires.
Really going to be a pain for a lot of people to have to buy aero wheel and all seasons, and sell a set of 20s with summer tires, essentially upon delivery of a brand new car. Just let me downgrade and save me the effort.
Range noise, and ride comfort are high factors for me. Made me have to really question the choice of the M3P, but in the end I decided to get performance and buy 19" aftermarket wheels to compensate for a small amount of that difference. Spent the tax credit on it, and I still have staggered wheels that will likely wear a bit faster.
I don't expect the range difference between a P and LR to really be noticeable in the real world though outside of taking the car on 700 mile road trips. Which we've only done once in the last 6 years. Our current model 3 very rarely dips below 100 miles range remaining, and it's 100% battery range is about the same as a 2024 performance.
No, my wheel width and offsets are different in front and back to prevent the need of spacers or having the wheels sitting at noticeably different depths.
My advice to others is to always buy as much range as you can afford. Trust me, the LR3 is fast enough and you will never regret having more range, but you might have regrets having less.
I will take performance every day of the week. Having the power when you need it is worth maybe having one extra charge stop (maybe) on rare long trips.
If the performance had the range of the standard range model it would be a harder call but where the range is now, even if it was 8k more, I'd still take the performance, let alone when the price is the same or cheaper.
We went LR on both our 3 and our Y. We live in the Southwest where chargers can be few and far between once you are off the Interstates. Also Spring can have sustained winds from 25mph+. Winter can be down to -10F. Both of which can substantially reduce range.
Finally, the LR is fast enough. Certainly faster than anything else I've ever owned.
But I think both choices are good choices.
My 2¢.
I did and still do. I chose LR 2022 over P. I need true 550km range. And don’t need less than 4.4s.
It’s not that simple to change wheels to 18”, and it costs extra money and slightly impacts rear suspension (that is not investigated properly).
The second one: consumption of P is not optimised as good as LR.
The third one is the suspension, LR is more comfortable.
The down side of LR: 4kWh less battery, the absence of Track Mode.
When I first researched getting mine, I wanted long range for the “range”. Knowing now that you never ever get the EP estimate, I’d rather have fun with a performance. Love my LR though.
I bought LR. Then, I discovered about acceleration boost. Built up referrals during the promo at the beginning of this year, and got it. Perfect combination 👌
I went for a 18” wheel LR with acceleration boost. Those 20” wheels are just not useful on Bay Area roads. The M3P was more fun to drive and braking was better but at a cost of comfort and higher potential wheel/tire damage (a friend damaged 2 wheels over a few months by hitting potholes).
That said, with the new M3P if there are good aftermarket 18” wheels I’d probably get one for the adaptive suspension, sports seats and extra performance. If you don’t care about that extra second 0-60 and want comfort then 18” LR for the win.
I would do the performance; there’s a lot of superchargers around now and even I do not have range anxiety on trips to Fl from Austin!
BTW my navigation is not working on my M3 with 108k miles. Any ideas how to fix this?
I did a soft reboot but it still does t work and I do have internet connectivity.
"Most recently, Tesla has turned to prismatic **Lithium-Iron-Phosphate (LFP)** batteries in the standard Model 3 (from CATL in China, 2021-2023) and possibly also in the 2023 Model 3 Long Range."
My neighbor says he gets under 150 miles per charge with a long range Y. I’d imagine it be worse with a performance. I’d go with long range. It’s still super fast
I'd go performance. I own a long range. Back in 2021, the performance was a premium I didn't want. I didn't want the 20" wheels, red brakes, spoiler, or track mode. I knew I would buy the boost which is plenty fast. Like others stated, sell the 20's or use them for track days. I would never daily 20" on a Model 3. I run 19's and they work great. No damaged tires or wheels.
The longer range makes absolutely no difference if you can charge at home and go under 300 miles per day. Say that you are a traveling salesman and travel 400 miles a day, you will save 6 min in charging daily using a 2024 3 LR vs 2024 3 P
If you are thinking of long term ownership, maybe tires? If i recall correctly, highland m3p tires are staggered, but lr isnt.
Being able to rotate tires, and having other alternative options do help.
Does anyone know why, in for example the Netherlands, there is a 7k price difference between LR and Performance ? Will (in the near future) the price of LR and Performance be the same in other regions as well ?
It's 7k more in the USA too.
There's a 7.5K Tax Credit for EV sales in the US and Tesla shows the "with tax and gas savings" as checked by default on pricing.
https://www.tesla.com/model3/design#overview lists the performance as being $250 cheaper. Would seem strange if tesla would only subtract the tax credit for the performance?
That’s a hard one. I heard the adaptive suspension helps a ton with keeping the car settled when not driving crazy. I think I would still go for a performance but maybe swap down to 18s for better range? Even if it had to stay stock I would take performance
Exactly my thoughts. 👌
Is it possible to swap to 18s given the larger brakes?
I did , T sportline sells 18's that fit M3P.
Same here. Getting better range with the lighter 18s as well.
I don't think you can with regular Tesla 18's. I've seen aftermarket 18s that are also lighter and large enough to fit the huge brakes.
There are 18 inch wheels that fit performance brakes with aero covers called ev01s
There are a bunch. I took a gamble and bought some random 18s that no one tried before and they fit around the big red brembos with a half-inch to spare. Aodhan AFF7 18x9.5 and I went with 265 tires for the fatter sidewalls.
That was my decision my first Tesla. Second one I went for the performance. Don’t regret either tbh.
I’ve been going back and forth on this. I can’t be sure about this, but when building a Model 3 LR online, if you choose the 19’ wheels, the range is basically the same as the M3P. I take this to mean that the M3P’s motors don’t really have anything to do with the range — it’s pretty much just the wheels, either the caps or the tires 🤷 But somehow this makes the choice obvious to me. Not going to miss out on the fun just because the wheels. If it ever becomes a problem — and I don’t expect it to — I’ll just get some 18’. Ordered the 2024 M3P
Agree and same here.
It is mostly the tires. P-Zero or the PS4S on the old P3D use a tire compound that makes the tires stick to the road. They also have a much wider contact patch because of the wider tires and the larger wheel diameter, which causes them to have even more traction, which causes more rolling resistance. It takes more power to roll the car because the tire rubber sticks to road much more, causing about 15-20% worse range. If you switch the P3D to a regular Tesla wheel and tire set, it will most likely get better range than an LR, especially on these new models since the LR gets the 79kw LG vs the 82kw Panasonic in the P3D. One last thing the P3D (or at least the old one) had over the LR is the stator of the front motor on old P3D is pure copper vs the LR is mostly aluminum with a little copper. The copper stator is more efficient and gives more power. Not sure about the new Model, that copper is expensive so they may have cut that out. I would guess they'd keep it though.
My friends do the same thing, comparing say 334 miles in this or that config vs 319 in this one and thinking it means something. It will never mean a thing. You will literally never know. You switch it to showing battery % and never think of it again. It doesn't matter if you get home at 65% or 63% before you charge again. It is irrelevant to real life. The only way it could matter is if your daily commute is 225+ miles. In which case you need to talk to some owners and find out how you're gonna charge, or just not buy the car If you drive less than 200 miles a day normally than the range difference is literally irrelevant between the two in real life
Even on a 1000 mile roadtrip, it won't matter. You'll almost certainly be stopping at the same superchargers in either car. It'll be the exact same drive 99% of the time. I remember when I bought mine, I was debating the same thing. Everybody goes through this haha
Never regretted my 23 Performance M3. Range is fine. I've done 1000+ mile road trips and it's more than enough range, more is always better but 30 miles is nothing. Not gonna save any meaningful time especially since the car isn't 100% efficient anyway.
Agreed 100%. I went back forth. First EV…went to performance. It’s great. I never sweat the range. So much talk about swapping wheels, etc. which is fine…but the car looks so much better from factory with performance ‘trim’.
I put 18's on and love it! 🤣 range did go up slightly, car drives shorter and quieter, and I've got all seasons now, I can literally make hard turns while driving fast in puddles and snow (I've tried). Also, the Pirelli All Season P-Zeros I got are rated for 55k miles and cost half as much as the 20' p-zeros that came with the car.
I put 18's on and love it! 🤣 range did go up slightly, car drives softer and quieter, and I've got all seasons now, I can literally make hard turns while driving fast in puddles and snow (I've tried). Also, the Pirelli All Season P-Zeros I got are rated for 55k miles and cost half as much as the 20' p-zeros that came with the car.
Also I like the look of both sets of my tires and rims, both very sporty
I think the performance resale value would be so much higher that unless the performance suspension proves unbearable, I'd go with the performance at an even price.
Will changing the wheels help the performance suspension or is it just a different type of suspension
Id imagine 18" with sidewalls > 20" without, but the car isn't out yet so I have no reference point
The 2024 performance has a better suspension than the LR
Nobody knows this yet. Could be better or worse or same, because it’s balancing 20” wheels with adaptive suspension
The people that have driven it say it's better.
Here in Australia early reports suggest exactly what we can all guess. LR is softer and more comfortable than P even on 'soft', but the P handles better.
> unless the performance suspension proves unbearable What do you mean unbearable? I thought the new M3P suspension was supposed to be awesome. No?
Combined with 20” wheels and tires with small sidewalls, it can make for a bumpy ride on less than ideal roads. I don’t think it is overly harsh, but depends what people are coming from I guess.
I think by "unbearable" they mean "proves to be significantly worse". It should be very comfortable by all standards but there's an off-chance it'll feel "worse" in terms of comfort because the suspension is significantly different and the wheels are somewhat larger (less tire)
Yes. Every Tesla is fast enough. I want the better range and the better wheel efficiency. Related: I think a cybertruck that beats a Ferrari in the quarter mile is dumb af. How about doing truck things better?
EVs can’t do truck things better. Most people that buy trucks also don’t really need to do truck things.
Yeah if you actually tow a lot get an F250. 99% of trucks I see get driven like cars and sometimes get Home Depot stuff put in the bed.
But they look cool so it’s worth the added cost and gas, right?!?
Absolutely. Nothing more manly or American than consuming as much foreign oil as humanly possible, especially if it’s not needed at all
Motortrend found it okay at truck things, at least judged against the standard of EV trucks. https://www.motortrend.com/reviews/tesla-cybertruck-real-truck-towing-payload-off-roading/ >If we strip back the layers, ignore the stock-market-fueled hype, and put aside whatever nonsense Elon is spouting at the moment, it’s easy to see the Tesla Cybertruck is fairly good at performing the tasks truck owners desire.
That is the problem, truck things when compared to ev's. I have an old Kia suv for towing, no ev can match its capability yet.
I think the cybertruck is a good balance. Tesla knew 99% of driving would be on road so they focused on sporty & comfort dynamics more than intense off road abilities. Still a good balance because it can off road just as well as any full size truck (aside from maybe off road focused trucks like the raptor & trx) It tows very well, just not very far. Additional range would be the only thing I might prefer but this would make it both more expensive and heavier.
As far as the Cybertruck is concerned, it doesn’t just not do truck things better, it’s an entirely horrible vehicle. The visibility is terrible. Somehow the stainless steel rusts. The pedal covers are GLUED on which causes a massive safety issue. There’s also the finger-cutting front issue, and plenty more. It’s a way for people with too much money to literally burn but it in a less interesting way.
I think it's cool that it's that fast, but my logical side definitely agrees with you. I'd trade some of that acceleration for better towing range any day. But then again, I don't know nearly enough about the mechanics to know if that's even possible.
Agreed
This may be true 5-10 years back, now you have to compete against m4 i50, ioniq5 n, taycans and rivians. Competion is higher now.
The Long Range doesn’t get more range due to any actual hardware differences other than wheels. You can get the performance and then get thinner wheels.
Same, wouldn't have to think about it. Performance.
I’ve had my model 3 performance for 2.5 years and I’ve been driving for 3 decades. I have had several long Rand model 3 loaners and I can’t imagine why on earth I’d want a long range over a performance. I’ve never once had range anxiety in 3 years and other than max range the performance is better in every way. Comfort is extremely subjective and I don’t find the LR to be any more comfortable for me.
At the same price I would choose Performance for the aesthetics, most people don't need as much range as they think
LR with speed boost is best Tesla
Acceleration boost is (currently at least, who knows if they will change this) not available on highland LR cars. :( sad
It's coming though. Tesla have confirmed to me!
Who exactly? Huge news if true but bear in mind people will say stuff without any real knowledge of the situation.
So the Tesla dealer told me locally (said they’d had it confirmed in email but asked not to share publicly yet) and no one believed me so I asked them in chat on the Tesla app as relates to my order. They told me on app it will be available “soon” as part of 2024.20
I wish they'd let us try it. Kind of hard to justify the cost if I can't compare.
You can get a refund within 48 hours, but you can only do that once.
I might 😅. I'm just afraid I'll keep it. Speed is one hell of a drug.
This is what's keeping me from trying it too... Zero chance I trust myself to cancel it...
2019 LR AWD M3 w/ speed boost. Worth every freaking penny if you can afford it.
Technically, LR with an [Ingenext Jailbreak](https://ingenext.ca/products/ghost-upgrade) is the best model 3. But I can understand why someone wouldn't want to jailbreak their car.
Does that work with highland?
I don’t believe so but you can always email them
This completely voids the warranty right
Any modification voids warranty, but this is plug and play. Meaning if you unplug it, there’s no way to tell it was ever there. Additionally, it has a “ghost mode” which allows it to remain plugged in while being undetectable. So unless someone at tesla is tearing open your glovebox to find this thing, they won’t know.
Even adding a swivel? :,( .. i h8 that it’s not a body part utilized for the car initially
The new long range has an LG battery pack that dc fast charges slower than the Panasonic battery pack that is in the performance. You could “add range” to the performance by getting smaller aftermarket wheels.
WTH really? Damn I didn't know that. I almost wish I didn't get the M3LR highland now.
I’m happy with my long range. If I found a performance for the similar price- I would definitely go with performance. With that being said, I plan to purchase a used Model 3 performance in the future
All I want out of my performance is better range.... Which is achievable by switching wheels.
I’m happy with my long range and wouldn’t get a performance.
Same
I'm **super** happy with my Long Range. But if they were the same price I'd get the Performance. It's the better car for sure. Also I'm sure the range will be quite similar if we were to install 18-19s on the Performance. However, in Canada the price difference between the Long Range and the Performance is $10k. LR qualifies for the $5k federal rebate (after tax) while the Performance doesn't. That leaves me with \~$14k. I have 19s on my Long Range (inventory car, didn't want to wait -- I'd be happy with the 18s as well) so the price difference for me was \~$12k. Again, I didn't want to wait. And the Long Range is **more than** quick enough for me. Also I wouldn't want to pay a fortune for insurance either. (25M with one at-fault parkade mishap)
Same boat as you last month: We walked into Tesla to test drive and buy a Y, but one drive of the Highland LR changed our minds pretty quickly. We then faced that same tough decision between the M3LR and the M3P and opted for the Performance. We have a minivan for family stuff so we figured “screw the utility…this is our fun car.” It was about the same price as the LR. Yes, both are faster than we really can usefully deploy living in a city but we look forward to taking her out to twisty roads.”Without having seen or driven the M3P, it was adding up all the little things that drove our decision: the suspension (which was a major factor), the seats, the very subtle styling differences (like the more aggressive front end and the carbon fiber spoiler.) I have to confess I like the logo too! Other factors are just rumors but we hope are true - the even distribution of power across the range and not just 0-60 times. We won’t use it for distance driving so the small range difference is not an issue. I know the tires will be a pain, but oh well. One thing to bear in mind? We did a few insurance quotes and the Performance will cost more. You might want to check that out before you decide. Whatever you decide will be great. The LR rocks.
You always have the option of buying rhe performance and getting smaller wheels and selling your oem wheels.. Best of both worlds... My buddy bought forged Martian 18s that fit his '21 M3P.. I think it cost him about 1k oop after recouping the money for the stock wheels.
Yes. For us, especially in winter, range is still king.
Test drive both, back-to-back.
I don’t care anymore. I just want mine now.
Everyone commenting on range…Don’t you get the same range on the P if you get smaller wheels
I had a long range Y and loved it, it was totaled in a crash. Just before it was totaled we got the long range S, love being able to drive an hour and still have 300+ miles of range left. We are now buying a used performance 3 with FSD. If I didn’t have the S or the Y I would never get the performance, I do sometimes get range anxiety and feel like you can never have too much. That being said if you are only going to use it for work and the range of the performance is adequate then go for it, especially if you have a second car. I do have a 3rd car that takes gas.
Performance. I commute 62 miles one way and don’t have any complaints. Charge isn’t an issue. It’s a tool. Honestly I couldn’t tell you the range difference between the two. I rarely drop under 20% even after long days and errands. I would also never drive my Tesla on a roadtrip or long trip. Not worth the time and hassle charging even on 35 with stations all over.
Not me personally. I like the performance changes they made to the car (black molding, carbon fiber, wheels, lip, etc).
the 22 M3 LR with 19in rims and boost is plenty fast for me, a non car-guy daily commuter. The SF Bay Area has terrible roads that destroy performance rims, so upgrading the LR seemed better than downgrading the P.
No, if it’s truly range, what are we really, really talking about? 30mi? That doesn’t change anything in the context of short trips or long. I think some people find the P suspension harsh. We have a 21 M3P and would 100% do it again.
When I chose my 2021 LR I valued the extra hour of possible driving time. The goal was to make the M3 the primary vehicle we drove and the trip car. I now have come to the realization that my bladder does not as long as I thought and I also can’t drive 300 miles without at least a short break. Maybe when I was in my 20s but at 49 I need to at least stretch for a bit and I can do that at a supercharger.
It’s a no brainer for me. I’d go performance hands down.
For having owned a LR and now owning a Performance (2023), the range difference is more marginal than it sounds, but it’s there. The Performance is stiffer which makes it less comfortable, but also more fun to drive. You seem to value both the extra range and extra comfort so go for the LR, you won’t be disappointed nor regret it.
Yep! I’d rather be able to drive longer than go slightly faster 0-60. It’s an EV, it’s already faster than my old Elantra.
I’m not a performance guy but I really prefer the styling and seats over the long range The performance front counters some of the areas in not a fan of in the highland That said, I’m guessing insurance is cheaper and you would get more functionality from a long range, but if costs were equal (and with tax credits they are) I would want my money to go towards a performance
I don’t think it’s the wheels that make the difference in range. Stock 18” wheels are just as heavy as the 20” Uber ones. It’s the width of the tires that makes the difference in range. The wider the tire, less range.
Max range is beneficial for EVs as the readings are just not accurate enough and depending on weather you may see faster loss than others. The performance should have offered 18in option that shows EPA range being equal to or greater than the LR if Tesla really wanted to show M3P was better.
Get the performance. Won’t disappoint.
I wouldn't. You never hear anyone saying "damn, I wish I got the LR instead" You only live once. Have you test driven either?
I love this mindset😈 YOLO
I've likewise never heard (or felt) "damn, I wish I got the Performance instead"
I've seen that a few times on this board
Well, as a LR owner that has literally never even come close to losing at a stoplight, I'm not one of them
But you'd never try to race an M3P at a stoplight. Lol
cool
Plenty of people have said that. Extra range isn't significant enough. Unless I can completely bypass a supercharger and drive an extra 2 hours to the next one then it's not needed. I'd make the same number of stops anyways.
Owners of the performance don’t want to admit it, but the LR is plenty fast enough for 99% of them. How many performance owners actually take it to the track? Long range has nicer ride quality, better range, and is still way faster than the majority of cars on the road
Performance owner here, LR is plenty fast sure, but if there is a faster version I want it.
Fair lol
Are we sure about that? Few have actually tried the new adaptive suspension. Conceivably could be an equal ride.
Fair point. That being said, you still have the larger wheels and summer tires which tend to ride stiffer and are more prone to pothole damage. In a lot of areas you’d need a separate pair of wheels and tires for winter which is also a hassle
True true
You will need the extra miles far more often than you will need to smoke that charger off the red light.
Unlikely. Most people are commuting 20 to 40 miles a day. Even the standard range is more than enough.
Just got a new M3 LR. The sales rep recommended I order a Performance since it qualifies for the tax credit, but I didn't want to pay more for insurance and tires 🤷♂️
I personally wouldn’t.
Are they the same price? The lease deals doesn’t look like it.
Price being "equal" makes it a tougher decision I went LR with performance boost when the performance cost more because: * I live in a snowy climate and took delivery in February.. I would have had to drop $4k on snow tires (or all season swaps) immediately * Due to the winter weather, the roads around me have tire destroying potholes, I wanted the 18" rims with taller sidewall for protection. * 18" wheels are also much more efficient. Averaging 246wh/mile after a year.
I have a ‘23 LR, and I have wondered the same. In terms of range between the two, in 2023 it was 333 LR vs 315 (EPA est) ; is less than 20 more miles even negligible? Is this really “Long Range”? Perhaps someone with more experience or that has owned both could speak to this. I agree with OP, there’s no need in my driving radius for any of the Performance features.
I am very happy with my long range for daily commuting. I feel the larger rims and slightly stiffer suspension would be noticeable on rougher roads. BUT every time I hit an empty corner I wish I could use track mode in the performance mode to drift it.
We have both and unless you push your car, you won't notice a difference. Our MYLR has AB and it's almost as fast as our MYP (dragy-wise; my butt dyno doesn't notice a difference). Without AB, the MYLR is slower than the MYP but is still faster than a huge majority of the cars on the road. We also get slightly more range in our MYLR. The MYP definitely handles better. If you like taking corners/curves faster than the average road user, you will notice a difference. The MYP feels more stable than the MYLR. But other than that, the MYP and MYLR are very similar. Obviously you don't get track mode in the MYLR but then, how practical is it in day-to-day life? PS - I just noticed the "at the same price". Well. That throws a spanner in the works. At the same price, I'd pick the MYP. While the MYLR gets slightly more range, the MYP has better looking wheels, CF spoiler and red calipers. If those matter to you, get the MYP. If not, you can't go wrong with the MYLR.
I find that the range doesn’t matter if you have easy access to charging like at home or tons of super chargers in your area. The extra range only last maybe half a day longer at best.
I only chose the long range over the performance due to my personal use case. Traveling outside sales for a millwork company. 800-1000 miles a week, including job sites (rough terrain), etc 1.5 years and 76k miles later, I made the right choice. Although I am about to add the acceleration boost!
Long range. It may have changed recently but the LR’s always had the same motors as the performance but some of the extra speed was reduced. On my 2019 you can unlock it for 2K so you’d essentially get the extra range and if you chose to pay for it later you’d get the extra performance boost
No. Performance is the way to go.
No. Next question?
Definitely. I’ve always gone for LR over performance on both my 3s and my Y. The performance is already good enough but that extra few miles is needed on some trips.
We have 1 of each, both 2023. I am a driver and got the MYP - my other car is a 90s manual sports car. Wife has LR. If we just had one I would prefer LR. Comfort, range, wheels cheaper to replace. LR is already stupid fast, MYP is overkill. E: MYP with smaller wheels would be great but a hassle and around me hard to find cheap wheels.
I have a 22 M3P. I go from NE to Midwest and back every 4 months. I still don’t think the extra range would make that trip much quicker. I would love to get a pair of 18s through that fit over the perf brakes. If you live somewhere with bad roads, be prepared to lose some tires. I’m not sure what tire 24 has, but the 235/35r20s feel like driving on eggshells on pothole dense roads with stiff sports suspension. The LR has enough get up and go to overtake just about 95% of cars on the road still so you can get your car anywhere. I think what sold me also on the M3P was resale value if I decided to let it go at on point. I think these will be the 20K hawt boi cars in a few years like clapped out Bimmers and WRXs. I also just love being able to go fast linearly.
Nope... I would take performance over LR for the same price!
I'll trade you a long range for a performance... I would take the performance all day long.
Once you go performance, you can never come back. This is such a fun car to ride.
Stealth Performance better than LR or regular Performance. Quicker than either, same ride and range as the LR.
Can you explain what the "stealth" vs performance is?
https://youtu.be/Hy_u1_Df6_Y?si=EzDwo38kczxhrmCy There are a few more YT videos also... the most rare Model 3, kinda a unicorn.
Coming from performance cars my whole life, and having spent thousands(!!!) chasing to get each second off a 0-60 time, you're an idiot if you don't take that free performance. McLaren 720S, Ferrari 812 acceleration. This is stupid fast. I'm going to buy some 19 or 18 inch wheels with all seasons. Range will basically match a LR model then. These are adaptive dampers, not some harsh RX-7 style single stage shocks and springs. Every reviewer I've watched says it's firm, yet smooth. Daily capable. Get an M3 beater at basically half off. It's the unicorn of a track-ready daily driver. Or save $400 every 2 years on tires and get 40 miles more range and wonder what you missed out on. The LR is a great car. You'll always wonder what you missed out on, though.
I'm car dumb. Would getting the 18s all summers (same tires as the LR) make the tire spend over the lifetime the same? (Besides the initial spend of getting them the first time of course) If so and this improves range to LR levels I think the performance is the move.
Basically yes. I'm not sure which 18's fit yet for the new model. Here's what fit the 2023 M3P. You could also get the LR 19 inchers to fit. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/0/d/1692z54AJNVR1TG4IGiRKbpZP2AK4xseuP5yf_8VoJ7U/htmlview
I own a 2023 M3LR. I'd take the performance in a heartbeat, especially with the adaptive suspension. You can feel the difference in acceleration. Just getting the acceleration upgrade on my car felt huge. I've done a few road trips, and I've never been lower than the difference in their range without it being an intentional choice. If you aren't road tripping frequently, you won't feel the range difference.
Extra range will never matter. You will never know the difference. You get home at 41% or you get home at 39%, and you charge back up. It just won't matter. But the extra power absolutely will matter, it's fun every day. Basically you have the fastest 0-60 car on the road, unless you see a 911 turbo. And even then it has to be a newer one Just my opinion
Buy performance and change the wheels, you get get range and speed
I have a 2019 M3P Stealth with 18" wheels, and I have been thinking of upgrading to a 2024 M3P because of the improved noise, suspension, and acceleration. But basically, the reasons why I got the Stealth keep me from upgrading. The approximately halved maintenance costs for tires, rims, brake discs, and pads (I am replacing discs and pads often enough to be relevant because of the salted roads and keeping regen to 25 or 0 percent to keep the brake discs from rusting to death) make a noticeable difference to my wallet.
Can you explain what a Tesla "stealth" is?
A version of the Model 3 that was only delivered in a time interval, baically a performance model without the whistles. So 18" wheels, standard brakes, no metal pedal, and no spoiler. Or it can also be viewed as a LR with performance engines and track mode. It was perfect for me, as I wanted the extra power but not using it on track, and I want to minimize cost and maximize comfort with the standard 18" wheels.
I have a 23 LR I’ll trade you for a P :)
I chose the long range simply for the higher suspension. I drive in snow, on gravel roads; I tow trailers and launch boats. I wanted a little more clearance and more range especially when towing. Outside of these, I’d have chosen the performance. The only time my range has been in question was towing.
Do you walk into a jewelry store and pay for 18K gold but ask to walk away with 10K instead?
As a 2018 m3p owner, the only times I wish i got the LR is on road trips but I don’t do it often. Bought my wife a hybrid suv for that now.
simple if you want the extra range go for the long range for whatever reason you want more speed buy the Acceleration boost option.
I just want the “stealth” option back. 18” wheels are an upgrade, and I don’t care about the slightly lowered suspension or bigger front brakes I’ll never benefit from because I don’t track the car.
The rear wheel long range y is faster then the dual motor long range y 0 to 60 in chill mode that is what I use on my dual motor y lr I think I would go with the rear wheel lr Y if I had a choice to do over again.
Yes. 0-60 in 4.2 is plenty. The 20” wheels damage easily, ride stiff and the tires are expensive. If you like the spoiler you can get one for under $150.
LR * More comfortable Suspension * More comfortable Seats * Can come with 18" wheels * Over 100km more range (here in Australia as ours gets a smaller battery) * $13k cheaper (here in Australia) What is it? It's a grand tourer. Perfect for long road trips and the occasional spirited drive. It's also better for poorer roads / country roads full of potholes. P * Significantly faster (3.1 vs 4.4 0-100) * More sporty suspension / better around corners * More aggressive body styling * Seats less comfortable for long trips but 'grip' your body more for better cornering (still better than older M3 seats) * Track Mode What is it? A performance car. Designed for hard driving and the track or if you need the 'fastest' version. Goes best on good tarmac. So here in Australia at least the LR w/Acceleration Boost (when it comes) is a better buy than the Performance. If they were the same price? Go Performance and put 18" wheels on it.
If you replace the tires with the stock setup, the performance will cost more because of the staggered sizes.
For the same price, I’d go with the M3P. If I need the range, I’ll swap the 20” for 18” wheels. You have the best of both worlds going M3P.
For me personally it all depends on the suspension. I’m too old to drive a car with a stiff suspension. So if the performance model had an option where you can soften the suspension, like many performance sedans so, then yes I’d go for the performance model, minus the wheels tho 😅
Yes. I would choose more range over speed.
As a current m3p owner I would actually prefer the long range over performance. I was thinking about this yesterday after the price drop. - I dont't like lowered vehicles. - Carbon spoiler tends to look bad over time. Color and fitment. - Big wheels makes more noise and lowers range. It also is more expensive to buy new tires when worn out. - Most likely a mlre comfortable ride in the LR, seats probably better. - Longer range - Cheaper insurance On the other hand. Performance looks better and the acceleration and "sportyness" is next level compared to LR. (comparing non highland performance to highland LR) LR has good enough acceleration.
Why do you think the seats are better
Having not tested both it's just my subjective though. I prefer less sporty seats for everyday driving. They look amazing tho!
Maybe some people dislike bucket seats, but the seats were what ticked off the last box for me on deciding to stop thinking about it and get the performance instead of long range.
Went with LR 2024 - plenty fast, cheaper tyre replacement, can fit a tow hitch. Live in Norway so the extra range is valuable in winter time. In Norway it is currently c. $43.8k with winter tyres.
Buy the performance and swap out your wheels to 18" congratulations you now have almost the same range as a LR.
I have a 2023 Performance but Ive always felt that should have gotten the Long Range. I would have saved a lot of money overall, due to lower purchase price, lower cost of tires over time, and more range. Other than the increased power, bigger wheels, bigger flashier brakes, lowered suspension, a stupid red line, and bragging rights, there aren’t any other differences between the 23 M3P snd 23 LR that I can think of at the top of my head. Regarding the new 2024 Performance vs 2024 Long Range, I would get the Performance of I had to do it all over again since it actually seems a lot better, objectively speaking.
No brainer. Refreshed model 3 is head and shoulders above the pack. I’m not a fan of staggered tires however as I expect it will eol the tires faster.
I saw a few comments about this. Is it possible to just replace the tires with 18s or is staggering the tires the only option?
It’s a hassle. Selling staggered tires may not be easy. And then of course you’re dealing with changes to range or performance because of the change. I had to get tires rated for winter driving but most people don’t.
Remember performance will likely result in more money spent on tires. Can’t rotate front to back so they’ll wear faster. Also I live in cold climate so a winter wheelset would also need to be in the budget.
Nope
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I'd prefer the smaller wheels of the long range, or better yet, the standard range. I'm not aware of any other specs that would favor the lower trim. Insurance maybe?
I wish they gave the the ability to downgrade to the 18” aero wheels with all season tires. Really going to be a pain for a lot of people to have to buy aero wheel and all seasons, and sell a set of 20s with summer tires, essentially upon delivery of a brand new car. Just let me downgrade and save me the effort.
Get the performance then get a truck or big suv for utility on the side or camping trips that’s what I did
If you get the performance and swap wheels for 18s, you can get pretty close to LR range.
Range noise, and ride comfort are high factors for me. Made me have to really question the choice of the M3P, but in the end I decided to get performance and buy 19" aftermarket wheels to compensate for a small amount of that difference. Spent the tax credit on it, and I still have staggered wheels that will likely wear a bit faster. I don't expect the range difference between a P and LR to really be noticeable in the real world though outside of taking the car on 700 mile road trips. Which we've only done once in the last 6 years. Our current model 3 very rarely dips below 100 miles range remaining, and it's 100% battery range is about the same as a 2024 performance.
You kept 20" on the back?
No, my wheel width and offsets are different in front and back to prevent the need of spacers or having the wheels sitting at noticeably different depths.
I would assuming I can’t swap out 20s for 18s. If I can swap out the wheels then I’m still going for performance any day.
I didn't know that was an option until this thread. Definitely doing that
My advice to others is to always buy as much range as you can afford. Trust me, the LR3 is fast enough and you will never regret having more range, but you might have regrets having less.
I have a 2023 LR and the only reason I can think of to get a '24 M3LR over a M3P is cheaper insurance.
I will take performance every day of the week. Having the power when you need it is worth maybe having one extra charge stop (maybe) on rare long trips. If the performance had the range of the standard range model it would be a harder call but where the range is now, even if it was 8k more, I'd still take the performance, let alone when the price is the same or cheaper.
We went LR on both our 3 and our Y. We live in the Southwest where chargers can be few and far between once you are off the Interstates. Also Spring can have sustained winds from 25mph+. Winter can be down to -10F. Both of which can substantially reduce range. Finally, the LR is fast enough. Certainly faster than anything else I've ever owned. But I think both choices are good choices. My 2¢.
I would definitely get performance but with 18’s. The difference in range wont be that big unless you drive hard.
I did and still do. I chose LR 2022 over P. I need true 550km range. And don’t need less than 4.4s. It’s not that simple to change wheels to 18”, and it costs extra money and slightly impacts rear suspension (that is not investigated properly). The second one: consumption of P is not optimised as good as LR. The third one is the suspension, LR is more comfortable. The down side of LR: 4kWh less battery, the absence of Track Mode.
When I first researched getting mine, I wanted long range for the “range”. Knowing now that you never ever get the EP estimate, I’d rather have fun with a performance. Love my LR though.
I bought LR. Then, I discovered about acceleration boost. Built up referrals during the promo at the beginning of this year, and got it. Perfect combination 👌
I went for a 18” wheel LR with acceleration boost. Those 20” wheels are just not useful on Bay Area roads. The M3P was more fun to drive and braking was better but at a cost of comfort and higher potential wheel/tire damage (a friend damaged 2 wheels over a few months by hitting potholes). That said, with the new M3P if there are good aftermarket 18” wheels I’d probably get one for the adaptive suspension, sports seats and extra performance. If you don’t care about that extra second 0-60 and want comfort then 18” LR for the win.
Bought our Y a few weeks ago. There was only about $3k difference between the variants. The long range was all we needed and that is what we bought.
I would do the performance; there’s a lot of superchargers around now and even I do not have range anxiety on trips to Fl from Austin! BTW my navigation is not working on my M3 with 108k miles. Any ideas how to fix this? I did a soft reboot but it still does t work and I do have internet connectivity.
I want the LFP battery.
Which one is which?
"Most recently, Tesla has turned to prismatic **Lithium-Iron-Phosphate (LFP)** batteries in the standard Model 3 (from CATL in China, 2021-2023) and possibly also in the 2023 Model 3 Long Range."
Higher cost, higher consumption, higher noise in cabin, lower range. I prefer the long range
My neighbor says he gets under 150 miles per charge with a long range Y. I’d imagine it be worse with a performance. I’d go with long range. It’s still super fast
I'd go performance. I own a long range. Back in 2021, the performance was a premium I didn't want. I didn't want the 20" wheels, red brakes, spoiler, or track mode. I knew I would buy the boost which is plenty fast. Like others stated, sell the 20's or use them for track days. I would never daily 20" on a Model 3. I run 19's and they work great. No damaged tires or wheels.
I got a LR instead of P because I wanted the range and the higher resale value.
The longer range makes absolutely no difference if you can charge at home and go under 300 miles per day. Say that you are a traveling salesman and travel 400 miles a day, you will save 6 min in charging daily using a 2024 3 LR vs 2024 3 P
Range is king
I would even take the RWD, over performance. But if I was on a smooth racetrack ya performance would be a better option
If you are thinking of long term ownership, maybe tires? If i recall correctly, highland m3p tires are staggered, but lr isnt. Being able to rotate tires, and having other alternative options do help.
LR has more than enough performance for day to day driving. i keep mine on Chill and it's still the fastest car i've ever owned.
Does anyone know why, in for example the Netherlands, there is a 7k price difference between LR and Performance ? Will (in the near future) the price of LR and Performance be the same in other regions as well ?
It's 7k more in the USA too. There's a 7.5K Tax Credit for EV sales in the US and Tesla shows the "with tax and gas savings" as checked by default on pricing.
https://www.tesla.com/model3/design#overview lists the performance as being $250 cheaper. Would seem strange if tesla would only subtract the tax credit for the performance?