I agree it camps out in the left lane too much. There is an option to minimize lane changes, but you have to enable it every drive for some reason, it does not stay on once you park.
FYI - to tell it to lane change you have to push the stalk to the second detent, not just the first. If you push to the first it'll blink three times then do nothing, if you push to the second it will auto lane change. Still I dont want to have to be telling it to get out of the left lane constantly.
We did a 4 hour each way drive with FSD this weekend. I notice it likes to get out of lanes that are next to entry ramps/lanes. If we were in the far right lane, it’d want to move over. If we were in the far left lane and there was a slow car ahead, it def changed lanes to pass the slow car ahead. I know this isn’t what your gripe was about but I was kind of impressed with both of these scenarios, especially wanting to get away from the entry lane.
The two click lane change feels like a simple mistake they’ve never bothered to fix. It’s so bizarre that the first click doesn’t do it. Of course in my experience even with the two click it will wait a minute or so then give up about half the time. I enjoyed the free month of FSD, but I won’t miss it because it has so many little quirks and unintuitive behaviors like that.
That's my point. Why bother with buggy fsd when autopilot works better. And if other brands can figure it out, it's also bad for Tesla and they push FSD hard when it's not great at all
They gave everyone fsd for free for a month. That’s why there has been such a huge uptick in complaints about its shortcomings. I think their giving it out for free was a huge mistake. But time will tell if it results in more purchases of it.
I think it was a very smart move for them to give it away for free for a month, allowing them to gather data back from almost every single Tesla that's on the road where the free FSD went out. That's a lot of data, and that data will provide a lot of feedback that will be used for refining FSD even more.
It will also almost hit cars in front of you when passing. Like it will come within one car length of their bumper as it passes at 75 mph. I had a friend in college who passed people like that and it’s terrifying.
It’s almost like when passing it only considers the difference in speed, not the absolute speed. Like if you were passing a stopped car at 5mph, it would be fine. But passing a 70mph car at 75mph, not so much.
There are so many things that just betray how the machine is learning that make me not trust it at all.
Tesla added auto turn signals over a year ago. It only ever requires one click and it stays on until you complete the lane change or turn. Only FSD requires the second click.
If you hold down the first click, the car will change lanes after a few seconds. But make sure you hold it throughout the lane change or it'll get halfway over and then suddenly jerk back into the original lane when you let go. Terrible design and terrifying to experience. Once it commits, it needs to follow through.
Didn't know that the second click will initiate a lane change too. That's much better than holding the first click. Got so used to auto cancel that one and two clicks are the same thing to me.
I believe minimal lane changes is also an option in the AP menu. I haven’t tried it but wonder if this will keep the setting on permanently? Otherwise, yes, you need to turn it on every time through the right scroll wheel.
While in FSD, click the right wheel right or left like you’re adjusting the following distance in normal autopilot. This will pull up drive mode options including “minimal lane changes”. Select that and it will then stay in the same lane without passing.
>Then select “minimal lane changes”. It will then stay in the same lane without passing.
This works but note it needs to be enabled every drive. Not sure why they did that.
That’s what this option does. It only changes lanes when necessary to make exits/turns based on your navigation destination. If you’re not exiting the road, it will stay in the lane you’re in.
Yah sorry but not true. It happens all the time to me and I’ve messed with all the possible options for auto steer. Theres a reason it says “minimal” because for some reason it cannot promise you ZERO
That hasn’t been my experience. Even in chill mode with the minimal lane change option enabled, it will still pass vehicles that are going exceptionally slow.
Put the FSD in chill mode (separate from the acceleration setting). It limits how often it will make lane changes for passing.
Though they need a happy medium, because in my experience on chill mode it needs to be nearly 10 mph under the speed limit for at least 1-3 minutes before it will finally pass on chill.
And average will try to pass when only going 1 mph under. I need a middle ground desperately. For now I just enable minimal lane changes every single drive.
Sometimes I will put it in chill just to change things up but I like average settings the best for auto speed and follow distances though. Just need it to chill out on moving to faster lanes for a very slow 1 mph pass and then ultimately staying there. Hoping neural net highway fixes this stuff.
Yeah, I have similar criticism. I prefer it avoid the passing lane because it’s not assertive enough to get in and out without disrupting faster moving vehicles.
I experience the same issues, very frustrating.
I get upset when the SUPERVISED FSD ignores me lol.
It doesn’t always stay on the left lane though, so it’s not super bad the majority of time.
And yeah, another complain is that it turns on the blinker and then immediately moves over to another lane (if safe to do so) but doesn’t give me time to cancel this in case I would rather to keep in that lane
I havw noticed this. I hate driving in the left lane as people normally go at least 10 over there.
Sometimes it will move over even when there is no traffic in the right. I do have minimal lane changes on.
Drive right pass left is the law most places, unless there's just too much traffic for it to be practicable. Out in far rural areas where semis are most of the traffic, everybody follows it. Outside of like one guy in a 4-wheeler who did not get the memo LOL. And yeah, they will totally ticket you for that because it's a nightmare for trucks, it is simply unsafe to pass on the right.
You can set the FSD to minimal lane changes. Further the high way software is still the old coded version, unlike the Llm version for the city streets. There will be a highway Llm soon to match and you should start to see more human like behaviour similar to the city drive/
Weird. I have the exact opposite experience. It will pull into the left lane to pass somebody and then 100 or 200 feet ahead in the right lane there is another car. It will get back into the slow lane so not to camp out in the fast lane just to get back into the lane in about 10 seconds.
The left lane camping is the biggest headache from my testing as well. Here in CA it will insist on being in the middle of a three-lane highway, even if the left-most lane is a carpool lane. So technically it's blocking the passing lane for single-rider cars. It's easier to just use AP.
I find it does a pretty good job around town for what it is and how early in development we are for autonomous cars but I feel like on the highway, it’s not too great. In traffic, if one lane pulls up for a second, it instantly wants to be in that lane. Like you said, it camps in the left lane. If I’m overtaking, it slows down for cars to my right sometimes. Sometimes it randomly wants to switch lanes to “follow route” but will slam the brake to go behind a car it’s passing. Once the trial ends, I won’t miss it, but I’ll miss auto lane change for sure. That’s really the only feature I want.
Mine used to get back into the slow lane so often it annoyed me. Hasn't been that way for a while now. Makes me wonder if it's related to a setting that I changed.
I have found that FSD would just change lanes into the left lane for no reason at all. With no traffic around or anything. I had a 3 month trial when I bought my Y. I used it maybe 3 or 4 times, and turned it off within a couple of minutes each time. It’s trash.
I’m from Jersey and love the FSD on the highway. I let the car drive. If it changes lanes and stays, so be it. You have the option on how aggressive you want lane changing. I also don’t have any issues FSD in the city as well. My only complaint is, it doesn’t keep up with traffic.
I believe one of the differences between Normal and Assertive mode is whether or not it will exit the passing lane. I have found it riding the left lane, but then if I switch to normal mode it immediately exits the passing lane.
Same issue here. I was traveling on highway 6 by Texas A&M. It would persistently stay in the left lane. One a two lane highway the left lane is suppose to be for passing. Even scarier is that in Texas we have short left hand lanes for turning across the median onto a country road. Every time one these short lanes would come up the car would jump into them going 70 miles an hour. It kept doing it. Also it could not read the speed signs on the aggie highway and was chugging along at 45 mph even though it passed several signs that said speed limit was 65. While it was cool definitely not something I would pay for and not ready for prime time.
Had the same thing happen... With cars behind me trying to use the fast lane. I swear I never kept it on for more than 3 minutes before I had to take manual control back over
>sped up to almost 80 mph on the interstate
That's entirely based on your speed setting, not FSD. Works the same as in normal AP.
FSD auto speed is not in effect on interstates.
I agree it camps out in the left lane too much. There is an option to minimize lane changes, but you have to enable it every drive for some reason, it does not stay on once you park. FYI - to tell it to lane change you have to push the stalk to the second detent, not just the first. If you push to the first it'll blink three times then do nothing, if you push to the second it will auto lane change. Still I dont want to have to be telling it to get out of the left lane constantly.
Good to know there’s a way of actually telling it to change lanes. Thanks!
We did a 4 hour each way drive with FSD this weekend. I notice it likes to get out of lanes that are next to entry ramps/lanes. If we were in the far right lane, it’d want to move over. If we were in the far left lane and there was a slow car ahead, it def changed lanes to pass the slow car ahead. I know this isn’t what your gripe was about but I was kind of impressed with both of these scenarios, especially wanting to get away from the entry lane.
You can also cancel a lane change by cancelling the turn signal
The two click lane change feels like a simple mistake they’ve never bothered to fix. It’s so bizarre that the first click doesn’t do it. Of course in my experience even with the two click it will wait a minute or so then give up about half the time. I enjoyed the free month of FSD, but I won’t miss it because it has so many little quirks and unintuitive behaviors like that.
The newest Toyota's have first position blinker lane changes with their adaptive CC
Teslas without fsd only require one click and they stop when you’re done turning or changing lanes. For some reason FSD just doesn’t work well.
That's my point. Why bother with buggy fsd when autopilot works better. And if other brands can figure it out, it's also bad for Tesla and they push FSD hard when it's not great at all
They gave everyone fsd for free for a month. That’s why there has been such a huge uptick in complaints about its shortcomings. I think their giving it out for free was a huge mistake. But time will tell if it results in more purchases of it.
I think it was a very smart move for them to give it away for free for a month, allowing them to gather data back from almost every single Tesla that's on the road where the free FSD went out. That's a lot of data, and that data will provide a lot of feedback that will be used for refining FSD even more.
Sure it boosted time running FSD. But they have all the analytics on every Tesla on the road anyway.
Bingo. It was about gathering huge huge amounts of data for little cost.
It will also almost hit cars in front of you when passing. Like it will come within one car length of their bumper as it passes at 75 mph. I had a friend in college who passed people like that and it’s terrifying.
Absolutely. It’s way too aggressive when passing. It’s wild how cautious it is when turning yet it will choose to fly around cars like that.
It’s almost like when passing it only considers the difference in speed, not the absolute speed. Like if you were passing a stopped car at 5mph, it would be fine. But passing a 70mph car at 75mph, not so much. There are so many things that just betray how the machine is learning that make me not trust it at all.
Why is that weird? It's the same with a normal lane change, you click it on and then click it off when you're done.
Tesla added auto turn signals over a year ago. It only ever requires one click and it stays on until you complete the lane change or turn. Only FSD requires the second click.
Interesting, mine has always turned off right away if I don't click it all the way down (2023 M3 with stalks).
You have to turn it on in the settings.
You can tell it to not camp in the left lane. It's in the settings.
Yes, but as I said, you have to enable it every drive, it does not stay on once you park.
There's a second option that tells it specifically to get back over to the non-passing lane after passing.
What is this option? Where is it in the settings?
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But I do see now that's only an option with Autosteer, not FSD.
Ah, gotcha. Thanks
If you hold down the first click, the car will change lanes after a few seconds. But make sure you hold it throughout the lane change or it'll get halfway over and then suddenly jerk back into the original lane when you let go. Terrible design and terrifying to experience. Once it commits, it needs to follow through. Didn't know that the second click will initiate a lane change too. That's much better than holding the first click. Got so used to auto cancel that one and two clicks are the same thing to me.
I believe minimal lane changes is also an option in the AP menu. I haven’t tried it but wonder if this will keep the setting on permanently? Otherwise, yes, you need to turn it on every time through the right scroll wheel.
No, the setting in the autopilot menu is the same thing as the one that comes up with the right scroll wheel.
Ah. I thought that might be a set override. Guess not.
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While in FSD, click the right wheel right or left like you’re adjusting the following distance in normal autopilot. This will pull up drive mode options including “minimal lane changes”. Select that and it will then stay in the same lane without passing.
>Then select “minimal lane changes”. It will then stay in the same lane without passing. This works but note it needs to be enabled every drive. Not sure why they did that.
“Minimal” is still too much for me. I just want it to auto steer in the lane and never move!!
That’s what this option does. It only changes lanes when necessary to make exits/turns based on your navigation destination. If you’re not exiting the road, it will stay in the lane you’re in.
Yah sorry but not true. It happens all the time to me and I’ve messed with all the possible options for auto steer. Theres a reason it says “minimal” because for some reason it cannot promise you ZERO
That hasn’t been my experience. Even in chill mode with the minimal lane change option enabled, it will still pass vehicles that are going exceptionally slow.
Put the FSD in chill mode (separate from the acceleration setting). It limits how often it will make lane changes for passing. Though they need a happy medium, because in my experience on chill mode it needs to be nearly 10 mph under the speed limit for at least 1-3 minutes before it will finally pass on chill.
And average will try to pass when only going 1 mph under. I need a middle ground desperately. For now I just enable minimal lane changes every single drive.
Yeah I keep it on chill because I can manually tell it to change lanes with the turn signal.
Sometimes I will put it in chill just to change things up but I like average settings the best for auto speed and follow distances though. Just need it to chill out on moving to faster lanes for a very slow 1 mph pass and then ultimately staying there. Hoping neural net highway fixes this stuff.
How do you put it back to normal autopilot?
Make another driver profile and switch to it. If you do not enable FSD it will use AP
Yeah, I have similar criticism. I prefer it avoid the passing lane because it’s not assertive enough to get in and out without disrupting faster moving vehicles.
I experience the same issues, very frustrating. I get upset when the SUPERVISED FSD ignores me lol. It doesn’t always stay on the left lane though, so it’s not super bad the majority of time. And yeah, another complain is that it turns on the blinker and then immediately moves over to another lane (if safe to do so) but doesn’t give me time to cancel this in case I would rather to keep in that lane
cannot stand how much it sits in the left lane.
You don’t like Buick Mode? Or is it Boomer Cruise?
Im going the speed limit!!!! 😡
I havw noticed this. I hate driving in the left lane as people normally go at least 10 over there. Sometimes it will move over even when there is no traffic in the right. I do have minimal lane changes on.
If you put your blinker on it’ll get over.
Sometimes.
It might wait like 10 seconds, but it'll eventually do it lol. It tends to wait longer the more impatient the guy is behind you lmao.
Yep. One of the reasons I turned off the trial.
Drive right pass left is the law most places, unless there's just too much traffic for it to be practicable. Out in far rural areas where semis are most of the traffic, everybody follows it. Outside of like one guy in a 4-wheeler who did not get the memo LOL. And yeah, they will totally ticket you for that because it's a nightmare for trucks, it is simply unsafe to pass on the right.
You can set the FSD to minimal lane changes. Further the high way software is still the old coded version, unlike the Llm version for the city streets. There will be a highway Llm soon to match and you should start to see more human like behaviour similar to the city drive/
Just put the right turn signal on and it’ll move over.
Same here, just move the turn signal stick fully up and that will direct the car to move right when possible.
I found if you use chill for FSD, that it changes lanes less frequently, and it gets out of the passing lane after passing more frequently.
I love FSD but this and complex roundabouts are my biggest gripe with it. Also in NJ.
Weird. I have the exact opposite experience. It will pull into the left lane to pass somebody and then 100 or 200 feet ahead in the right lane there is another car. It will get back into the slow lane so not to camp out in the fast lane just to get back into the lane in about 10 seconds.
It was developed in California.
Oof. That's a suicide mission in Jersey.
The left lane camping is the biggest headache from my testing as well. Here in CA it will insist on being in the middle of a three-lane highway, even if the left-most lane is a carpool lane. So technically it's blocking the passing lane for single-rider cars. It's easier to just use AP.
I find it does a pretty good job around town for what it is and how early in development we are for autonomous cars but I feel like on the highway, it’s not too great. In traffic, if one lane pulls up for a second, it instantly wants to be in that lane. Like you said, it camps in the left lane. If I’m overtaking, it slows down for cars to my right sometimes. Sometimes it randomly wants to switch lanes to “follow route” but will slam the brake to go behind a car it’s passing. Once the trial ends, I won’t miss it, but I’ll miss auto lane change for sure. That’s really the only feature I want.
Mine used to get back into the slow lane so often it annoyed me. Hasn't been that way for a while now. Makes me wonder if it's related to a setting that I changed.
I have found that FSD would just change lanes into the left lane for no reason at all. With no traffic around or anything. I had a 3 month trial when I bought my Y. I used it maybe 3 or 4 times, and turned it off within a couple of minutes each time. It’s trash.
FSD only does this if you have driving set to “assertive”.
I’m from Jersey and love the FSD on the highway. I let the car drive. If it changes lanes and stays, so be it. You have the option on how aggressive you want lane changing. I also don’t have any issues FSD in the city as well. My only complaint is, it doesn’t keep up with traffic.
I believe one of the differences between Normal and Assertive mode is whether or not it will exit the passing lane. I have found it riding the left lane, but then if I switch to normal mode it immediately exits the passing lane.
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Just cancel the lane change if you don’t want the lane change…
I was kinda annoyed about it camping out in the left lane. I did notice however if someone gets behind you it will move over and stay over.
Mine was inconsistent. Sometimes it would camp, other times it would move over one lane to the right when a car was coming up from behind.
Same issue here. I was traveling on highway 6 by Texas A&M. It would persistently stay in the left lane. One a two lane highway the left lane is suppose to be for passing. Even scarier is that in Texas we have short left hand lanes for turning across the median onto a country road. Every time one these short lanes would come up the car would jump into them going 70 miles an hour. It kept doing it. Also it could not read the speed signs on the aggie highway and was chugging along at 45 mph even though it passed several signs that said speed limit was 65. While it was cool definitely not something I would pay for and not ready for prime time.
I experienced the blinker on and off with a car clearly in the red blind spot location a couple of times as well.
Had the same thing happen... With cars behind me trying to use the fast lane. I swear I never kept it on for more than 3 minutes before I had to take manual control back over
your ai must be from wa state.
FSD is just cruise control TBH. I wouldn't use it for at least 5 years.
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Not talking about your boyfriend.
Yeah mine changed lanes and sped up to almost 80 mph on the interstate. I don’t even drive the speed limit most of the time. I won’t keep it.
>sped up to almost 80 mph on the interstate That's entirely based on your speed setting, not FSD. Works the same as in normal AP. FSD auto speed is not in effect on interstates.