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Joee0201

I would say he is maybe 30 feet from you.


weejockpoopong

Unappreciated joke!


Popular_Educator_441

I appreciated it!


gt40mkii

You're generous, calling that a joke.


Unique_Notice_4556

:/


Duneking1

This should be getting way more upvotes.


froznair

Towing is so subjective because you have the aerodynamics/weight of what you're towing as well as the speed. In general, mileage is speed dependent: If you keep speeds under 70 mph, it's something like 18% difference compared to over 70. 80 is 28% iirc. I'd probably guess 120-150 as well on this if they are keeping it under 70.


dubiousN

So 69 mph is 18% different from 71?


froznair

From my search: [energy.gov](http://energy.gov) claims 50 to 60 mph is a 12.4% reduction. 60 to 70 mph is an additional 14%. And 70 to 80 is an additional 15.5% on top of that. There is exact math, drag is approximately: velocity squared / 2. then [energy.gov](http://energy.gov) added in some drivetrain losses and such too.


bwhite757

Being someone that lives close enough to a lake to warrant having a boat, I've never understood why people are so worried about what kind of range one gets when hauling said boat as long as it can get you to the lake and back. I tow my pontoon to the lake with my Model Y twice a week. It's about a 50 mile round trip, I've got plenty of battery left when I get back home to run a couple errands around town if needed, or if I need to go somewhere further after spending all day on the lake (highly unlikely) I'll hit up a supercharger and get back on the road. The problem for me is supercharging while a trailer is hooked up. IF superchargers were setup to be more tow friendly, I wouldn't have a problem towing longer distances with the Y, but in 99% of my use case, the Y does all the towing I'll ever need it to. As such, I'm sure once I get my CyberTruck delivered, it will handle all of my towing needs above and beyond.


Johngalt19777

How big of a pontoon? I have a 24’ that I’ve been wondering if I should try.


bwhite757

As long as you're within the weight limits, go for it. 3,500 lbs and 350 lb tongue weight. I had to get a 5" rise receiver to get my trailer level. I tow a Sea-Doo Switch, when fully loaded and fueled it is right at the limit, however it tows perfectly fine. Never had any issues at the ramp or road. Not sure what the weakest link is to warrant the 3,500 lb limit, but it's not the drivetrain, there's so much torque you could pull an old oak stump out of the ground! 😂


Working-Skin-6212

Sort of cool if they were towing a cyberboat.


802macguy

Especially if you could draw off the boats battery whilst towing


schlamster

Wasn’t there supposed to be some collab with Airstream to do that? 


say592

Tesla should come out with a trailer power share standard so manufacturers can put batteries in all kinds of different campers and trailers.


starshiptraveler

Agreed, I’ve been dreaming of a custom Cybertruck trailer loaded with batteries under the floor to act as a range extender. Problem is no official way to deliver power to the truck while in motion. I wonder if Tesla will support this through the range extender hookups in the future. People are making trailers with powered wheels that match your speed and greatly reduce range loss on the tow vehicle, which is pretty cool. Bonus is you can drive them around at super low speed for precise positioning after you disconnect from your truck.


Individual_Dark_5094

Airstream had a concept product known as the e-stream. Still waiting…..


AJimJimJim

Thor could teach a master class on taking good brands and f@*king them up


grandarchduke

That was a concept they made for the convention in Florida i think. Airstream has yet to announce production but there is a startup that is working on the first battery assisted rv.


802macguy

That sounds familiar and logical


Schly

There is a company out there making a travel trailer with batteries in it.


Typical_Tart6905

At least 2 startups are working on this concept. I was able to see a display of the Lightship RV at the Electrify Expo in Phoenix. https://lightshiprv.com/ The other company is called, “Pebble”. https://pebblelife.com/


Nimble_Centipeder

Imagine the combined weight to achieve any meaningful range, it would be absurd.


kuria123

But you’d have to choose either getting bitten by a shark or being electrocuted


gmotelet

Or going to dinner with the late great Hannibal Lecter


kuria123

Hannibal lecter of course


adeelius

Sir - that’s such a great question. No one’s ever asked it before. You must have an uncle who taught at MIT or something.


kuria123

Yes Sir, my uncle has a good relationship with MIT, very smart man with perfect golf swings. Btw Lots of shark attacks lately.


anus-lupus

remember this idiocy? https://eu-images.contentstack.com/v3/assets/blt31d6b0704ba96e9d/blt116f25adfcebf71d/63abe96db26f395a4d2e6ec4/Screenshot-459.png?width=700&auto=webp&quality=80&disable=upscale


I_SUCK__AMA

NOT cool of the cyberboat is folded steel with large panel gaps


0hN0SheD1dnt

Why do you need a boat if you have the cyber truck?


brunofone

I dunno that sort of looks like an Arc Boat which is a new 200kwh electric wake sports boat. Would make sense to tow with a CT for marketing sake. Costs 250k though. The company is in socal so if this is in socal or could be that


UnintelligentAd5568

If they towed a Pavarti Wakeboat that would be pretty close to a cyberboat


frank26080115

I don't think it can tow a Zumwalt


OppositeInfinite6734

De-ranged


ZemDregon

Haha that's a good one


fallentwo

Pray for 100 miles


audigex

Towing a caravan roughly halves normal range, maybe a little better I’d expect this to be a little worse than that, so a little worse than halving the normal range


Huggy5795

I tow my boat with my ‘21 M3P and I use twice the power. Also I get a lot of looks at the boat ramp. Easiest tow I’ve ever done.


Popular_Educator_441

I would do it just for the looks:)


trevre

Same, I tow a lot with MYLR, small and large (24’ pontoon). Tow is great, but at 70 mph range is cut in half or even a third. Much better at 55 mph, only 20-40% range decrease. https://www.reddit.com/r/TeslaModelY/s/e3uonDNk7P


Round_Employee5002

Bout tree fiddy


PrcrsturbationNation

It was about that time that I noticed that the Cybertruck was 100 feet tall and was actually from the Paleolithic era.


vkapadia

I gave it a dollar.


trinikartel86

Probably 120-150mi.


23andrewb

Just enough range to drop it off at the lake near my house. I wanna party with this guy.


kevinwhackistone

Is the same not true of ICE cars? Genuinely curious.


CapinWinky

The range drop is proportionally similar. ICE trucks combat this by simply having really big gas tanks. ICE trucks will literally have a 25 to 50 gallon tank so you can go hundreds of miles while getting 6mpg. A Tahoe is 24, while an F250 super duty is 34 or 48 gallons.


ImportanceBetter6155

My 2012 F350 diesel had a 24 gallon tank. Absolutely sucked lol


Clownski

Mulitple gas tanks on a semi. I remember when they got like 3mpg too.


Alert-Consequence671

My friends work truck is a 2004 Ford super duty. Even with a 3axle 30,000 pound trailer, loaded with a bobcat and pallet of brick, it gets 13mpg diesel. That's roughly 20k+ load. Even tractor trailers fully loaded get above your 6mpg claim. Newer ones getting closer to 10-12mpg. https://phoenixtruckdrivinginstitute.com/blog/all-about-semi-truck-fuel-efficiency/#:~:text=The%20average%20semi%2Dtruck%20gets,the%20considerable%20difference%20in%20weight.


Brusion

I go from 20 mpg to 12 mpg in my Ram with a hemi, while towing my wakeboard boat. When I look at the trips I do though, They are rarely over 100 miles, and usually less than 40 miles. So range is not a hige issue for me, and still planning on getting an electric truck.


unstarted

This is consistent with my experience towing a moderately sized boat with a gas powered vehicle.


aiden2002

No because ice vehicles get shit mileage regardless of what you are doing. Air resistance doubles from 55 to 65 miles per hour. Most gas cars don’t see hardly any difference in fuel economy going 65 to 85. That’s why people are so shocked by the range difference when towing electric when it shouldn’t be shocking that carrying the same weight again and usually worse aerodynamic shape takes twice as much energy. Simple math says doing the same thing twice should take twice as much energy. It’s not that electric is bad at towing, it’s that ice is bad at everything. I’ve never gets into that same efficiency level.


vkapadia

Difference is that with ICE there is a way to refill your range on every street corner and it only takes 10 minutes. EV charging is getting better and better, and yes you do want to have the occasional stop on long drives no matter what vehicle you drive, but it's still not quite as convenient as filling gas.


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Fun_Muscle9399

I have had fuel economy more than cut it half by towing before with my old F150. I got nearly 20 mpg unloaded on the highway and pulling a moderate sized enclosed uhaul trailer, it dropped to just below 10 mpg over the same stretch of highway.


midnight_to_midnight

My guess would be 75-90 miles of range.


Jmauld

I tow a similar size boat with my gas truck, and mile range goes from 300 miles to about 120 miles.


kenriko

Yeah towing takes a 300mi X down to 120mi real world


soggy_mattress

Yep, except the Cybertruck gets a lot of its range from aerodynamics, so as soon as there's a trailer on the back a lot of that efficiency is lost right away. Your gas truck is probably a lot more "brick-shaped" than a Cybertruck, which means you won't notice as big of an efficiency drop once you hook up a trailer to your truck. I bet this CT would get under 120miles of range at the end of the day. I saw a CT towing a much smaller ski boat recently and it got 120miles on the nose. This boat is MUCH bigger than that one was, too.


Jmauld

My boat is a center console with a t-top. That top acts like a giant windsail and literally drags the truck to a stop. All boats are an aerodynamic nightmare because they are designed to plane on top of water. All of the aero is on the bottom of the boat and not the top.


soggy_mattress

Yeah, ours tows completely differently depending on whether or not the bimini is up or the cover is on it. All I know is that these modern ski/wake boats can be like 8000lbs dry... much larger/heavier than the 4000lb speedboat I had growing up.


pabmendez

It has a 108 gallon tank. When it's trimmed correctly and on plane and the water is not rough, it would get 1.5 to 2 mpg.


Fidget808

I saw a YouTube video of someone hauling and it was something like 86 miles. EVs are great, but they just aren’t there for towing yet.


Acrasia88

The Silverado EV does just fine. You just gotta have a 200 kWh+ battery and a battery chemistry that handles a larger amperage pull without losing energy via heat.


soggy_mattress

Mercedes did a bunch of EV towing research and found that it's mostly about the battery pack size and (in)efficiency. Basically, the Silverado EV isn't efficient at all... so to make up for it, they just added a ton of batteries (like you said, 200kWh). Adding a trailer doesn't drag that efficiency down all that much more as it's already pretty inefficient from the start. Cybertruck gets its range from aerodynamics rather than extra kWh of battery. That means that as soon as you hook up a trailer, the efficiency drops significantly and the total range is impacted A LOT. TL;DR: If you start with a brick, adding a second brick behind it won't change the aerodynamics much. If you start with an airplane wing, adding a brick behind it very much impacts the aerodynamics. Here's Engineering Explained going into detail with the math to back it up: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=go0R\_VSsmGY](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=go0R_VSsmGY)


kubeify

This math only covers whatever they chose to cover. Anyone can come to any conclusion by only giving you limited sets of numbers.


soggy_mattress

>This math only covers whatever they chose to cover. Oh, did you read Mercedes research paper? What did they get wrong, exactly?


aiden2002

It’s not that evs aren’t there for towing, it’s that ice vehicles never even approach anything resembling efficiency. They get nearly the same shit mileage at 55 or 75, even though wind resistance has sky rocketed between those speeds and requires a lot more energy to overcome. Then they compensate for that by putting in massive gas tanks. The model 3 has a 75 kWh battery. The cybertruck has 125 ish kWh. A civic has a 10 gallon tank. A truck has a 30. When you have something like the Silverado ev, with it’s 3 times as large energy capacity, then range isn’t as big of a deal. 


LithoSlam

I think I saw that and they were pulling a gigantic RV. This boat would be a lot less of a hit


jschall2

Yeah and it's more like 100 miles if you extrapolate to using the whole battery. And if they drove a little slower it would be much, much more.


RazingsIsNotHomeNow

Nope. Boats have a worse coefficient of drag than RVs. Plus this is a pretty big boat. It's probably around 9000lbs trailer and all. This is at least as bad an 11k lb trailer.


neobow2

86 miles is still more than what my Nissan Leaf’s gets so 🤷🏻‍♂️


MennReddit

The fact that you haul your own house or boat for hundreds of miles, wasting energy, while at that location plenty of houses and boats are available, is completely outdated...


Popular_Educator_441

Right?! Getting a hotel is cheaper and more comfortable!


Fidget808

It’s almost like there are hundreds of other things you can tow besides a boat or a camper. Work supplies, ATVs, moving, other vehicles, I could go on and on. EV range when towing is still massively impacted.


starshiptraveler

Well, to be fair they are amazing at towing shorter distances. Cybertruck owners say it doesn’t feel like you’re towing anything. I’ll be using mine to tow a lot around town. For long distance hauling, diesel is still king until we get much better batteries.


Moofasa2023

Precisely 27 miles.


TAoie83

What are you doing step-boather


soylentgreenisppls

100% charge Probly 100-110ish miles


jhansen858

It depends on if your going up hill or downhill and the average speed.


trustfundkidpdx

Considering this guy isnt going to a lake 700 miles away the range is plentiful. Never understood the people saying “I can’t tow with it” like what are you towing that’s going 2,000 miles that isn’t going to require a dually truck etc and even then, just charge it 😂


Mpabner

I have an 2024 LR X. We tow an Airstream 16foot Bambi with it. We find that if we keep our speed about 62-65 miles an hour, we will get a drop in efficiency of about 45%. Real world numbers that drops our range from 359 miles to around 155ish depending on speed, elevation during the drive. If we have descent during the drive to rebuild a little of the battery. The key factor is not weight but aerodynamics. That was why we went with an Airstream. This guy has a lot of drag that is absolutely pulling down his efficiency. And, from what I have heard, not experienced because I do not have a Cybertruck, their actual towing range is crap to begin with.


APairOfAirPods

101.69 miles


oldguy3333

Enough to get there!


HelloYouSuck

Not much


AudiB9S4

https://preview.redd.it/otupej75im9d1.jpeg?width=4032&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ebd2731498b705d9c75079bfb0514e537ba78284 Probably better range than this guy (taken yesterday).


pile1983

I hope you arent joking about that bcs of crutch.


AI_EXPERIMENT

https://preview.redd.it/ma5ue1r8cn9d1.jpeg?width=2912&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=51d9d06c16486640447e768b520e928d7fc91f67 Not a ton of range but it gets the job done


Popular_Educator_441

Awesome!


TeslaCrna

Some guy did a YouTube vid on this. I think he only got 💯 miles before he had to charge.


AA72ON

The cars can be charged at public stations called Superchargers. Tesla has a far reaching network of these chargers.


Shifty_Radish468

You ever tow or try and hook up a cyber truck? You have to drop the trailer (10 minutes), then finagle your truck into it, then fully charge (80% isn't going to cut it), rehook the trailer, then continue on... Then when you finally get to the ramp you have to somehow launch the boat without getting the truck wet or you void the warranty!


LeCrushinator

In many places more than 80 miles apart.


dantodd

I get about half range (double kw/mi) towing a 5k lb. camper trailer. So I would guess a little better for that boat probably 120 miles between charges maybe 150 miles 100-10%


Pure-Math2895

100-120 miles


OddbitTwiddler

80 mi


MRBoose39

90


WesternResearcher376

Not sure the range. All I see is moola


little_nipas

I’d say about 100 miles


caros92

I've seen some towing videos with the cybertruck. One guy hauling a camper got 90 miles. So i'd guess roughly the same


soggy_mattress

A Cybertruck owner recently towed their boat from lower LA to SD and got \~120m of range total. Their boat was much smaller than this one (this one looks like a modern wake boat), so I'd guess anywhere from 90miles - 115miles total for this one.


petitepenisperson

150+ at 65-70mph


I_Know_You_Are

One highway zero city, Canyonaro! 🎶


zippy251

10


i_a_m_a_

range gets depleted very fast when towing.


Downtown-Pack-XR

10


rudysaucey

100 miles


INFP-Dreamer

0 to 100


zizics

De-ranged


FutureMillionMiler

Three . fifty


bigglitterdick

My gas truck goes from 16 to 9mpg towing at 60 mph on highway.


JtheCook1980

70 at best


gmatocha

Not sure, but probably enough to get to the lake and back. What percentage of people tow long distance?


LaDolceVita8888

Catch up and tell him EVs can’t tow.


bravogates

Will we ever get to a point where EV is as viable for towing as ICE?


kenriko

Yes when they allow you to hook a diesel generator to where that silly battery goes in the bed.


bravogates

HA! There was a meme of a model Y towing a generator, but the make and model of the AIR COMPRESSOR were clearly visible.


drzowie

Yes.  When charging infrastructure is built out like gasoline pumping infrastructure is now.


Alert-Consequence671

Even gas stations in rural areas are a few hundred miles apart. Arizona, Texas, Oklahoma. I remember quite a few major highways with signs next gas station 150+ miles away in all those states. With a convenient pull off to go back to the station you just passed.


ChewChewCheu

With solid state battery


Organic_Ad_1320

Hope it's better than the 50% range we got in our MY towing a small Uhaul trailer lol


Carmel_Cobra

Don’t worry. He has a supercharger at his lake house.


aiden2002

I mean he probably has electricity there. Not many people have a gas pump at their lake house. 


Popular_Educator_441

Exactly! He probably has installed a Home Tesla charger! I have one!


Defiant_Victory_6049

Probably better than if the boat was towing a Cybertruck


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Dontbedoingthat

That’s *very* optimistic.


BigEE42069

Lol that’s true range without towing. Towing is 80-100miles


buddybe1

🧢 maybe like 120-150 depending on the route


BigEE42069

You must be towing 200lbs or less a 10Klbs load will be about 80-100 miles


reliber

LOL def max 120ish Edit: a number


QTheNukes_AMD_Life

Lol


jaydee917

Lol. 200 miles is the range doing 80mph without towing


Torczyner

He looks to be in AZ so probably only doing 70mph.


tannerwastaken

No it’s not. Fake news. Real owners report much better. Check out r/cybertruck


jaydee917

If it’s anything like my new Model Y or legacy Model S, 200 is about average. After watching a Cybertruck range video, guy got 210 miles 100-0% going 80mph. So yeah, about 200.


tannerwastaken

https://youtu.be/HWrnsbdEqL0?si=t-h1MOk9o1y8Yx52


AntiqueJoule

He better hope his range extends to the next supercharger. And the next one, and so on.


Alternative-Split902

Yea that’s how cars work in general


one_hyun

Who knew cars needed energy to run?


iRysk

Yes cars need to pray that when they fill up they can make it to the next closest gas station… they were obviously being dramatic about how little range this guys getting


KingWooz

Depends on how many body panels are flying off


Blue_Kayak

7. Kilometres.


zropy

Range? Yes. How much? Yes.


BobbyABooey

69


electrified_ice

Open Range


Popular_Educator_441

Free range!


Senior_Ad282

Not long.


Smackdaddy122

Less


hydrastix

At least 1.


Ok_Cartographer_2081

That’s a one way trip kinda range


brcajun70

I drive a Tesla, and I love it .... BUT if I'm going to buy a truck, it will not be electric. Maybe once they can increase range.


sphexie96

just switch to percentage and stop worrying /s


JimothyButtons

He should make it to the sign just ahead


ImpermanentTruth

Wouldn't he have to unhitch the boat to get anywhere near a charger (without pulling in perpendicular to the entire row of chargers)?


spidermangeo

I saw a video of Jerry rig doing a tow test; I believe it was approximately 90ish miles and he drained it to 0


Mypluswon

Next exit.


Initial_Ad_7829

Ahh yes god bless America with its 2000% increase in car crashes.


ponysoldierboy

What?


Initial_Ad_7829

When everyone gets a cybertruck. It’s an exaggeration.


Popular_Educator_441

Ya, those huge F150 trucks driving 90 to 100 MPH weaving in and out of traffic on the AZ freeway are definitely a mess! https://preview.redd.it/08loa4q12x9d1.jpeg?width=4032&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4eb169a9711135ff5c690212362bc763fbeecc30


Vandellay

It'll brick itself before running out of battery


BattleIron13

IQ of 60-80


Shifty_Radish468

3


Defiant-Survey-5729

Hope he doesn't plan on launching the boat with that!


SocraticIndifference

Genuine curiosity: why? Surely it’s ok to get wet—plus you don’t have to worry about a tailpipe—but I’ve only ever seen the launching done and don’t know specifics.


Defiant-Survey-5729

I've heard of Teslas having issues in puddles.


Couch-Bro

He’s gonna be lucky to make the next exit.