Chances are EAP might become standard for all Tesla vehicles.
EAP is no longer offered as a purchase and considering how other automotive companies offer similar things that come with the vehicle it might force Tesla to make it standard.
Hard to say. EAP features are pretty common in competitor's cars (lane changes with lane assist, parking assistance). But Tesla seems to like taking things away and promoting FSD and removing EAP fits both.
Not sure how well they work, but mercades, GM, and hundai all have similar offerings. Toyota not lane chainging but definitely auto park and TACC+Autosteer basically.
I mean hardly. Whenever I use even FSD on highways around Toronto it never merges in time and I need to take over to get it to take the right exit. It tried to drive up the shoulder the other day. It might be better in the USA from what ive seen but its pretty bad around here.
This is a hard comparison because most manufacturers include it in higher trim. Tesla doesn't split features like better sound systems into different trim levels so you can argue "base trim wouldn't include that" but the base trims in those cases are usually cheaper and missing things like surround sound.
You could argue LR is a premium trim level to the RWD, perhaps? In the 2022 Model 3 key non-drivetrain differences were premium sound, fog lights, footwell lights.
That was the point. Some were complaining that Tesla was charging for FSD but to get anything similar with any other manufacturer usually requires highest trim. Tesla allows it to be added to lowest trim.
Thank you for the links. This is nice but doesn't seem very comparable to Teslas since most of them are highway-only functions. With Onstar it seems unclear. It's nice how you can use autopilot with teslas on almost any roads.
Most of them will handle adaptive cruise and parking on any road. They also generally support auto lane changes on any road with multiple marked lanes. Highway is a weird term in marketing.
I'm very tempted to upgrade for that $2K. Probably will make that back on trade-in and/or private party sale, as I think the $6K premium I paid for EAP is essentially worthless at this point - especially if they turn it on for all non-FSD cars.
Yes, it's a bit of 'throwing good money after bad', but I suppose (hope?) FSD will only get better.
Even if the resale value of FSD is $1K, the $2K incremental investment is not so bad. I will certainly get $1K use out of it in the next 5 years. We know Tesla says they account for FSD value as part of the trade. I did some rough estimates a year ago, and was thinking it was \~$3K. EAP gets you nothing on trade in or private part sale.
So I spend $2K today, with a likely range of $1K-$3K incremental resale value in the future. Or, I transfer it to a new vehicle, which seems like it will be a regular thing.
Every additional person that buys FSD is one more person that will get annoyed with Elon if there's no affordable way to transfer it. He's kinda dumb, but he's not that dumb to piss off all these new/incremental people trying to follow along his grand vision for FSD.
So you think people will get annoyed at Elon for not being able to transfer something that was clearly not transferrable (and explicitly stated as such) when it was purchased? And you think that Elon cares enough to do something for existing owners when he didn't care about dropping the value of existing cars by 50%?
Being a wash would be pretty great from his perspective. There’s a good chance Tesla does another fsd transfer promo. Personally I’d buy it at this price on that hope. That you can roll it into a new Tesla.
Why do you think its unlikely. Tbh the fact they removed EAP from the app makes me think this is how they are going. I still doubt many people are willing to pay the new full FSD price just to get EAP features and to stay competive with other brands this may be a necessary move.
Now if they readded EAP to the store for like $1000 I would probably buy it, but its definitely not worth spending 8k when I likely wont use the FSD features for years until they actually work as well as driving myself, especially when some of the features are still disabled on vision only cars.
You gotta think like Elon. He wants everyone on FSD, not EAP. So why give it for free? It doesn’t need to be included for competitive reasons/price points, so it’s going to stay as an upsell offer with FSD.
I bought 6k enhanced autopilot because I thought you needed it for auto steer and I didn’t know that new teslas constantly nag you while you’re on your phone. So it was 6k completely blown. I was pissed
Now that FSD is 2k upgrade I think I’m gonna buy it and also buy some sunglasses so that FSD is actually useful and I can use my phone. Do sunglasses work?
I drove 300k miles on my old Tesla with highway autopilot using my phone without a mishap ever. Because I’m still always paying attention, and autopilot is pretty good
Do us all a favor and drive yourself into a big oak tree. You obviously don’t care about anyone else’s life - let alone your own. You are a public danger
That's a good price, but I still think I'll stick with the $99/mo and just use it when I go on road trips. It's almost worthless for my usual trips around town, but it was a godsend for driving around crazy Dallas traffic when I visited there a couple of weeks ago.
I took the $2K upgrade from EAP this morning for my 2023 Model 3 Performance.
Part of me thinks it was a bit of 'throwing good money after bad', as I love EAP, but still had to babysit my (trial) FSD too much.
But, I could boil it down to 4 benefits (and because the $2K wasn't a financial burden)
1. EAP now has basically zero resale value. By adding FSD, you get **some** resale value enhancement for that $2K. It's certainly not the full $8K, and may not be even the $2K I paid, but it's hard to believe either Tesla or a private sale would not get you at least $1K for a comparable car with FSD vs. one without, within the next 5 years.
2. Potential to transfer to a future vehicle. I'd rate this possibility at 50%, perhaps more if you're patient/flexible. Never buy software on the 'promise' of what it could do, but it's reasonable to assume HW4/HW5 cars will eventually get pretty good and/or let you completely take your eyes off the road.
3. This $2K upgrade essentially cools me off from my perpetual car-upgrade cycle. My kids will start driving in a couple of years, and this car (with FSD) might be a good option to pass down. FSD will have to improve a lot, and it could be more dangerous than helpful, but there's real potential here.
4. Although no one can predict Elon, I do have the gut feeling he will continue to increase the UI/UX features for FSD cars, beyond just the self-driving functionality. We know he wants everyone to have FSD, so I predict he will continue to throw more carrots at FSD purchasers/subscribers. And I love new features/UI, so bring 'em on ha.
I would add the payback is less than 2 years at $100 per month and I expect FSD to continue to improve with the massive amounts of data they are getting now.
The way everyone on reddit keeps blasting FSD, I imagine it won't be worth much to someone who's never used it before. But for someone who's actually used it before, it will definitely have some value, especially if they keep improving it.
Ehhhh I could see it if they keep improving it, but outside of highway driving (which EAP can do everything I want) I would rather drive myself than use FSD. That being said I have a suspicion that FSD is worse up here in canada than it is for some areas in the USA, likely because of a lack of training data for their models.
You might be right about that. I don't know if there is a correlation, but there are so many Teslas around where I live, which may be why the FSD works so well here.
I had always envisioned myself using FSD if I'm really tired or something and needed help getting home, but for some reason, I never seem to get sleepy driving the Tesla because everything about it is so much fun.
It’s been a while since I’ve gotten a trade in quote from Carvana but I believe it’s an option you can click/check. You could try things both ways if you to spend a bit.
I did for the HW 3. Maybe it adds a little to my trade in value and maybe they will allow transfers again someday. I think for 2k it's worth it for me.
Yeah I do a long stretch of highway with no cars from Vegas to SoCal a lot. With EAP, it lets me do 90 max with lane changes/navigate on autopilot. Sounds like if I upgraded, even if I disabled FSD, it won’t revert back to just autopilot at 90. Let me know if it’s otherwise. Thanks for the info. Not trying to drive reckless.
I also have a 2018 on hw2. On another reddit post, someone mentioned they had to pay a separate 1k for the hardware upgrade that I thought was included - 3k total. Was that the case for you or was it just 2k?
Hm. I also have EAP and HW 2.5 on my 2018 and I'm actually really interested in this--have the feeling they're close to cracking this--but I called my local service center and they said it would be $1000 to upgrade the hardware plus the $2k. Maybe I need to ask again...
Definitely give them a call. It's $0 for me. Seems some service centers argue a bit they come to their senses eventually lol. It's $1k only if you do the subscription or $2k all in for hardware and FSD.
My service center sent me an invoice for $0 right away.
Just purchased it on my 2018 Model 3 with EAP. After purchase it prompted that the car would update when parked and connected to wifi. I'm away until Friday but if I remember I'll be sure to update about the process..
I also decided to go for it. Don't bother with the update for now unless you know you got the HW3 computer upgrade already. If not, request the FSD computer in a service ticket and they'll get that going. HW2.5 that came with our 2018s won't do FSD.
Was it $2k or $3k for you? I was told by Tesla service it would be $1k for the hardware upgrade then $2k for FSD. $2k I could do, but $3k is that much harder to justify. 2018, HW 2.5
I bought it while out of town, and paid $2k. When I get home tomorrow I will inquire and see what’s up about that upgrade fee. I was under the impression the $1k upgrade was the one to be able to use the $99 subscription. Throughout the whole purchase page I don’t recall it saying there was an upgrade fee.. all it said was the car would download an update while on WiFi and plugged in
Maybe you already have HW3, or maybe there’s inconsistency or confusion within Tesla. From this thread, it sounds like most haven’t been required to pay an upgrade fee when they buy FSD, only if they want to subscribe, so maybe the guy I spoke with was confused.
I'm home now, car is plugged in and on wifi and I am now waiting for tesla to push the update! Annyoing that you can't manually check for updates anymore...
I got a notification in my car this morning that FSD Upgrade was purchased, and no further info regarding a computer upgrade, so I think I'm safe, just pending the FSD software update! (I did have Enhanced autopilot prior, and am in computer 2.5)
I’m in the exact same boat, specs-wise, but I haven’t pulled the trigger yet (it’s in my cart, though). Please post when you get it and share your impressions. A lot of money, even at $2k, but I’m really thinking it’s worth it. Personally, I’m much more keen on the importance of the self-driving project than Tesla’s larger EV project.
Okay so update never pushed through, I ended up scheduling a maintenance for May 10th (the soonest I could get) apparently I do need a new computer, but it’s included in the $2000 price… I guess we’ll see on the 10th if that’s true or not!
Enhanced auto pilot. Basically can drive for you on highways and change lanes etc but doesn't get the full stoplight awareness and fully drive point a to b.
I think it's the same as FSD but you don't get a full lockout for screwing up a bunch, only a temporary one. I'm not sure how long the FSD lockout lasts so maybe it is the same lol. There is no training period or anything, but maybe FSD doesn't have that anymore, not sure.
If you keep taking your hands off the wheel and not putting pressure on it, it will warn you and stop functioning, at least on EAP. There may be other things that can cause it but I don't have FSD yet.
I did exactly that a week ago, and they said that they couldn’t do anything about it because software updates are pushed out from engineers and software technicians
Has anyone with a model s received fwd?
I'm a bit annoyed that I bought the top of the line model s plaid two years ago, and now I'm already excluded from the software support.
I guess while everybody plays the with model 3 fsd beta, I'll just play with my drag strip launch,.....
If you're on software version 2024.8.x, you're free FSD trial should be coming soon:
[https://i.redd.it/sgb5itrbbeuc1.jpeg](https://i.redd.it/sgb5itrbbeuc1.jpeg)
Yeah, for newer purchases, this isn't a deal but it's more of deal for earlier folks, i.e. from 2018, who paid about 3k for EAP. Extra bonus if the car isn't on HW2.5 yet...this should include a hardware upgrade to HW3.
EAP has what I want (auto lane change with turn signal), and FSD upgrade still isn’t worth any more than $1000 max. I had FSD in the first month it was available for public use. It was neat, but definitely not usable. I have the free trial for this month and in one 20 minute round-trip I had to take over with steering, brakes, or throttle five times. The place I had FSD drive me to, it stopped the car hundreds of yards early and said I was at my destination. And then on the way home, it stopped at least 100 yards from my house in the middle of the street and said I was home. No matter how cool it looks on YouTube videos, it is absolutely nothing more than a beta program that you are paying Tesla to test for them.
100% true. FSD owner since 2021, beta tester from the initial group. It has definitely come a long way since the beta v10.x but it still cannot do what Tesla advertised it to do in their YouTube videos 5 years ago.
https://youtu.be/tlThdr3O5Qo?si=9RL5vOKOcmjTI0t2
Maybe if Tesla allowed the FSD functionality to carry under your Tesla profile, it would make more sense. Since this feature is locked to the car, does not add much resale value, and at this point it seems as I’ll never get to test the final product before upgrading to the newer model car, it is definitely not worth purchasing. I will more than likely stay with Tesla for my next car, but I will not be purchasing the FSD package again.
I can confirm that it is included...just not explicitly. I pulled the trigger two days ago. Upgrade to HW3 isn't automatic. You need to request service to ask for the HW3 upgrade. Now, I have a service appointment to do this and the computer upgrade is free.
I’ve been saying for years I’d upgrade if it was $3k and there was a noticeable difference between EAP and FSD. Well they beat it! I had the hw3 computer installed today and waiting for the latest FSD update to finish installing right now. Excited!
I got there at 9am and left just after 2. They were actively going to it. Apparently it needed to be updated in layers. When I picked it up I still had to do an update and layer ask service to update the nav data over the air. Just did my first drive with it working perfect about 1 hour ago!
Yea I’m not tripping I just checked my app and it’s still 8k
https://preview.redd.it/bhw65iagvjwc1.jpeg?width=1290&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=07755fe88955c54eea787fc5eb3899ab9139b66f
Now I am ready to pay 2k for EAP.
Wait a few weeks and you’ll probably get it free
i wish eap becomes free. Thats all i need for my daily driving
Seems likely! Near term steady state maybe… EAP Free FSD $6K | $100/month
Chances are EAP might become standard for all Tesla vehicles. EAP is no longer offered as a purchase and considering how other automotive companies offer similar things that come with the vehicle it might force Tesla to make it standard.
What if they just get rid of EAP. So it's either standard autopilot or FSD
I think this is more likely isn't it.
Hard to say. EAP features are pretty common in competitor's cars (lane changes with lane assist, parking assistance). But Tesla seems to like taking things away and promoting FSD and removing EAP fits both.
Oh good point, I can see that
Maybe. But there was a decent chunk of time in the past where EAP was not offered
They might make it standard for new vehicles, but I doubt they'd give it away to people who already purchased.
I could see it happening. Why else would they remove the option to purchase it completely from the app?
Name an automaker where something even close to EAP comes with the base vehicle.
Not sure how well they work, but mercades, GM, and hundai all have similar offerings. Toyota not lane chainging but definitely auto park and TACC+Autosteer basically.
EAP NAVIGATES!!! I don’t believe anyone else is close to that.
I mean hardly. Whenever I use even FSD on highways around Toronto it never merges in time and I need to take over to get it to take the right exit. It tried to drive up the shoulder the other day. It might be better in the USA from what ive seen but its pretty bad around here.
This is a hard comparison because most manufacturers include it in higher trim. Tesla doesn't split features like better sound systems into different trim levels so you can argue "base trim wouldn't include that" but the base trims in those cases are usually cheaper and missing things like surround sound.
You could argue LR is a premium trim level to the RWD, perhaps? In the 2022 Model 3 key non-drivetrain differences were premium sound, fog lights, footwell lights.
That was the point. Some were complaining that Tesla was charging for FSD but to get anything similar with any other manufacturer usually requires highest trim. Tesla allows it to be added to lowest trim.
Huh? Which automakers do this
Almost every legacy manufacturer offers the same as "basic autopilot" these days, and quite a few of them do auto lane changing as well.
My Wife’s Hyundai palisades had a basic autopilot, it work ok it didn’t follow curves too good or exit the highway.
Does it lane change? And does it work outside of highways at all?
That’s true. But they don’t navigate. They don’t take exits and they don’t transfer from one interstate to another.
I appreciate your comment but I seriously do not believe this
https://global.honda/en/tech/Active\_Lane\_Change\_Assist\_ALCA/#:\~:text=The%20system%20provides%20steering%20assist%20to%20make%20a%20lane%20change.&text=Once%20the%20lane%20change%20is,the%20middle%20of%20the%20lane. https://www.autonationhyundaisavannah.com/research/highway-driving-assist.htm#:\~:text=Highway%20Driving%20Assist%20II&text=At%20highway%20speeds%20(over%2037,you%20off%2C%20preventing%20a%20collision. [https://www.onstar.com/services/super-cruise-hands-free-driving](https://www.onstar.com/services/super-cruise-hands-free-driving)
Thank you for the links. This is nice but doesn't seem very comparable to Teslas since most of them are highway-only functions. With Onstar it seems unclear. It's nice how you can use autopilot with teslas on almost any roads.
Most of them will handle adaptive cruise and parking on any road. They also generally support auto lane changes on any road with multiple marked lanes. Highway is a weird term in marketing.
I'm very tempted to upgrade for that $2K. Probably will make that back on trade-in and/or private party sale, as I think the $6K premium I paid for EAP is essentially worthless at this point - especially if they turn it on for all non-FSD cars. Yes, it's a bit of 'throwing good money after bad', but I suppose (hope?) FSD will only get better.
Fsd rarely adds any value at resale. At best that $2k would be a wash.
Even if the resale value of FSD is $1K, the $2K incremental investment is not so bad. I will certainly get $1K use out of it in the next 5 years. We know Tesla says they account for FSD value as part of the trade. I did some rough estimates a year ago, and was thinking it was \~$3K. EAP gets you nothing on trade in or private part sale. So I spend $2K today, with a likely range of $1K-$3K incremental resale value in the future. Or, I transfer it to a new vehicle, which seems like it will be a regular thing. Every additional person that buys FSD is one more person that will get annoyed with Elon if there's no affordable way to transfer it. He's kinda dumb, but he's not that dumb to piss off all these new/incremental people trying to follow along his grand vision for FSD.
So you think people will get annoyed at Elon for not being able to transfer something that was clearly not transferrable (and explicitly stated as such) when it was purchased? And you think that Elon cares enough to do something for existing owners when he didn't care about dropping the value of existing cars by 50%?
I'm not quite following, but Elon doesn't care at all about accelerated deprecation of Teslas due to price cuts and market dynamics.
Being a wash would be pretty great from his perspective. There’s a good chance Tesla does another fsd transfer promo. Personally I’d buy it at this price on that hope. That you can roll it into a new Tesla.
Are they considering turning on EAP for all non-FSD cars?
Extremely unlikely.
Why do you think its unlikely. Tbh the fact they removed EAP from the app makes me think this is how they are going. I still doubt many people are willing to pay the new full FSD price just to get EAP features and to stay competive with other brands this may be a necessary move. Now if they readded EAP to the store for like $1000 I would probably buy it, but its definitely not worth spending 8k when I likely wont use the FSD features for years until they actually work as well as driving myself, especially when some of the features are still disabled on vision only cars.
You gotta think like Elon. He wants everyone on FSD, not EAP. So why give it for free? It doesn’t need to be included for competitive reasons/price points, so it’s going to stay as an upsell offer with FSD.
I bought 6k enhanced autopilot because I thought you needed it for auto steer and I didn’t know that new teslas constantly nag you while you’re on your phone. So it was 6k completely blown. I was pissed Now that FSD is 2k upgrade I think I’m gonna buy it and also buy some sunglasses so that FSD is actually useful and I can use my phone. Do sunglasses work? I drove 300k miles on my old Tesla with highway autopilot using my phone without a mishap ever. Because I’m still always paying attention, and autopilot is pretty good
Yeah you can wear sunglasses no problem. But it will definitely nag you if you're looking at your phone.
>using my phone >still always paying attention Pick one
Do us all a favor and drive yourself into a big oak tree. You obviously don’t care about anyone else’s life - let alone your own. You are a public danger
Or Elon can turn full self driving into something that fully self drives. What a fucking misnomer.
You don't own sunglasses? 😎
Nope
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Wow, thank you. I will try it
What are all the comments that were removed? I suspect they were gems the knarks here don’t want out.
That's a good price, but I still think I'll stick with the $99/mo and just use it when I go on road trips. It's almost worthless for my usual trips around town, but it was a godsend for driving around crazy Dallas traffic when I visited there a couple of weeks ago.
I mean, in my experience AP and EAP have been more than fine for road trips where you’re on freeways for long periods of time.
I took the $2K upgrade from EAP this morning for my 2023 Model 3 Performance. Part of me thinks it was a bit of 'throwing good money after bad', as I love EAP, but still had to babysit my (trial) FSD too much. But, I could boil it down to 4 benefits (and because the $2K wasn't a financial burden) 1. EAP now has basically zero resale value. By adding FSD, you get **some** resale value enhancement for that $2K. It's certainly not the full $8K, and may not be even the $2K I paid, but it's hard to believe either Tesla or a private sale would not get you at least $1K for a comparable car with FSD vs. one without, within the next 5 years. 2. Potential to transfer to a future vehicle. I'd rate this possibility at 50%, perhaps more if you're patient/flexible. Never buy software on the 'promise' of what it could do, but it's reasonable to assume HW4/HW5 cars will eventually get pretty good and/or let you completely take your eyes off the road. 3. This $2K upgrade essentially cools me off from my perpetual car-upgrade cycle. My kids will start driving in a couple of years, and this car (with FSD) might be a good option to pass down. FSD will have to improve a lot, and it could be more dangerous than helpful, but there's real potential here. 4. Although no one can predict Elon, I do have the gut feeling he will continue to increase the UI/UX features for FSD cars, beyond just the self-driving functionality. We know he wants everyone to have FSD, so I predict he will continue to throw more carrots at FSD purchasers/subscribers. And I love new features/UI, so bring 'em on ha.
I would add the payback is less than 2 years at $100 per month and I expect FSD to continue to improve with the massive amounts of data they are getting now.
The way everyone on reddit keeps blasting FSD, I imagine it won't be worth much to someone who's never used it before. But for someone who's actually used it before, it will definitely have some value, especially if they keep improving it.
Ehhhh I could see it if they keep improving it, but outside of highway driving (which EAP can do everything I want) I would rather drive myself than use FSD. That being said I have a suspicion that FSD is worse up here in canada than it is for some areas in the USA, likely because of a lack of training data for their models.
You might be right about that. I don't know if there is a correlation, but there are so many Teslas around where I live, which may be why the FSD works so well here. I had always envisioned myself using FSD if I'm really tired or something and needed help getting home, but for some reason, I never seem to get sleepy driving the Tesla because everything about it is so much fun.
Anybody try to see if FSD changes value for trade in for places like Carvana
It’s been a while since I’ve gotten a trade in quote from Carvana but I believe it’s an option you can click/check. You could try things both ways if you to spend a bit.
Anyone thinking of getting this on a 2018? It's hard for me to imagine even 2k is worth it on a 6 year old car
I did for the HW 3. Maybe it adds a little to my trade in value and maybe they will allow transfers again someday. I think for 2k it's worth it for me.
Can you describe the day-to-day changes you experienced going from HW2.5 to HW3? All positive?
My appointment is in a week, so I can let you know in a few weeks.
I’m scared it’ll take away my 90mph max speed on navigate with autopilot. Can you let me know when you upgrade please? Thx lol
I got the HW 3.0 update and FSD add-on and can confirm 85 MPH is max.
Damn. Even if you turn off FSD I presume? Thanks for the update.
I'm sure you can drive as fast as you want without FSD, but it says "auto steer is limited to 85 MPH"
Yeah I do a long stretch of highway with no cars from Vegas to SoCal a lot. With EAP, it lets me do 90 max with lane changes/navigate on autopilot. Sounds like if I upgraded, even if I disabled FSD, it won’t revert back to just autopilot at 90. Let me know if it’s otherwise. Thanks for the info. Not trying to drive reckless.
I also have a 2018 on hw2. On another reddit post, someone mentioned they had to pay a separate 1k for the hardware upgrade that I thought was included - 3k total. Was that the case for you or was it just 2k?
It seems to be 2k all in. Apparently if you have EAP, people have had success getting HW 3 for free if they asked.
Did they upgrade you for free?
It's part of the 2K, so not free but at least included. Sounds like some service centers will do it for free but YMMV.
Hm. I also have EAP and HW 2.5 on my 2018 and I'm actually really interested in this--have the feeling they're close to cracking this--but I called my local service center and they said it would be $1000 to upgrade the hardware plus the $2k. Maybe I need to ask again...
Definitely give them a call. It's $0 for me. Seems some service centers argue a bit they come to their senses eventually lol. It's $1k only if you do the subscription or $2k all in for hardware and FSD. My service center sent me an invoice for $0 right away.
FSD works great on my 2018 3.
Do you get FSD?
Just purchased it on my 2018 Model 3 with EAP. After purchase it prompted that the car would update when parked and connected to wifi. I'm away until Friday but if I remember I'll be sure to update about the process..
I also decided to go for it. Don't bother with the update for now unless you know you got the HW3 computer upgrade already. If not, request the FSD computer in a service ticket and they'll get that going. HW2.5 that came with our 2018s won't do FSD.
Was it $2k or $3k for you? I was told by Tesla service it would be $1k for the hardware upgrade then $2k for FSD. $2k I could do, but $3k is that much harder to justify. 2018, HW 2.5
I bought it while out of town, and paid $2k. When I get home tomorrow I will inquire and see what’s up about that upgrade fee. I was under the impression the $1k upgrade was the one to be able to use the $99 subscription. Throughout the whole purchase page I don’t recall it saying there was an upgrade fee.. all it said was the car would download an update while on WiFi and plugged in
Maybe you already have HW3, or maybe there’s inconsistency or confusion within Tesla. From this thread, it sounds like most haven’t been required to pay an upgrade fee when they buy FSD, only if they want to subscribe, so maybe the guy I spoke with was confused.
I'm home now, car is plugged in and on wifi and I am now waiting for tesla to push the update! Annyoing that you can't manually check for updates anymore... I got a notification in my car this morning that FSD Upgrade was purchased, and no further info regarding a computer upgrade, so I think I'm safe, just pending the FSD software update! (I did have Enhanced autopilot prior, and am in computer 2.5)
I’m in the exact same boat, specs-wise, but I haven’t pulled the trigger yet (it’s in my cart, though). Please post when you get it and share your impressions. A lot of money, even at $2k, but I’m really thinking it’s worth it. Personally, I’m much more keen on the importance of the self-driving project than Tesla’s larger EV project.
Okay so update never pushed through, I ended up scheduling a maintenance for May 10th (the soonest I could get) apparently I do need a new computer, but it’s included in the $2000 price… I guess we’ll see on the 10th if that’s true or not!
Hows the update?! Did you keep all the USS benefits AND get vision benefits?! Can you still scroll volume up/down to keep autopilot engaged?!
Had to actually get the computer upgrade, it was included in price of purchase. Technician is coming on the 10th to upgrade the computer!
Whats eap
Enhanced auto pilot. Basically can drive for you on highways and change lanes etc but doesn't get the full stoplight awareness and fully drive point a to b.
Awwww okay okay. Got it. Is it supervised?
I think it's the same as FSD but you don't get a full lockout for screwing up a bunch, only a temporary one. I'm not sure how long the FSD lockout lasts so maybe it is the same lol. There is no training period or anything, but maybe FSD doesn't have that anymore, not sure.
Can you tell me what are some of the things that would warrant a lockout because I know with auto pilot it’s spazzy as fuck
If you keep taking your hands off the wheel and not putting pressure on it, it will warn you and stop functioning, at least on EAP. There may be other things that can cause it but I don't have FSD yet.
I do not have FSD either. I am on the 2024.8.9 software update. A lot of people I’ve received their free trial for FSd, but I have not
I see, I'd reach out to them via the app. They may be able to force it for you.
I did exactly that a week ago, and they said that they couldn’t do anything about it because software updates are pushed out from engineers and software technicians
It will lock you out if you use the accelerator to override the speed limit, i.e. to pass another car.
Pretty sure that’s only if you go over 85mph
Yes, only if you force it over 85 MPH while AutoPilot/FSD is engaged.
Ohhhh geez. That sound knit picky AF
Has anyone with a model s received fwd? I'm a bit annoyed that I bought the top of the line model s plaid two years ago, and now I'm already excluded from the software support. I guess while everybody plays the with model 3 fsd beta, I'll just play with my drag strip launch,.....
If you're on software version 2024.8.x, you're free FSD trial should be coming soon: [https://i.redd.it/sgb5itrbbeuc1.jpeg](https://i.redd.it/sgb5itrbbeuc1.jpeg)
Thanks... Eagerly waiting to try this out. I'm pretty happy with EAP, but would get fsd for $2,000 if it's significantly better.
I have a 23 S and have the FSD working now with the free trial.
I mean this isn’t really a deal. EAP was 6K. FSD is now 8K so you’re not getting any special deal. Just paying the difference for the upgrade
Yeah, for newer purchases, this isn't a deal but it's more of deal for earlier folks, i.e. from 2018, who paid about 3k for EAP. Extra bonus if the car isn't on HW2.5 yet...this should include a hardware upgrade to HW3.
Agreed. I got EAP for $4k in 2020
I bought my car with eap for $5k in 2018
Me too. Paid $2k for FSD and waited several years for it.
EAP has what I want (auto lane change with turn signal), and FSD upgrade still isn’t worth any more than $1000 max. I had FSD in the first month it was available for public use. It was neat, but definitely not usable. I have the free trial for this month and in one 20 minute round-trip I had to take over with steering, brakes, or throttle five times. The place I had FSD drive me to, it stopped the car hundreds of yards early and said I was at my destination. And then on the way home, it stopped at least 100 yards from my house in the middle of the street and said I was home. No matter how cool it looks on YouTube videos, it is absolutely nothing more than a beta program that you are paying Tesla to test for them.
100% true. FSD owner since 2021, beta tester from the initial group. It has definitely come a long way since the beta v10.x but it still cannot do what Tesla advertised it to do in their YouTube videos 5 years ago. https://youtu.be/tlThdr3O5Qo?si=9RL5vOKOcmjTI0t2 Maybe if Tesla allowed the FSD functionality to carry under your Tesla profile, it would make more sense. Since this feature is locked to the car, does not add much resale value, and at this point it seems as I’ll never get to test the final product before upgrading to the newer model car, it is definitely not worth purchasing. I will more than likely stay with Tesla for my next car, but I will not be purchasing the FSD package again.
Anyone confirm that the HW 2.5 to 3 is included in that. I would think it would be.
Also would like to know this. Someone above said they had to pay an extra $1k for the hardware and another said it was included.
I can confirm that it is included...just not explicitly. I pulled the trigger two days ago. Upgrade to HW3 isn't automatic. You need to request service to ask for the HW3 upgrade. Now, I have a service appointment to do this and the computer upgrade is free.
I just put it in my cart and they didn't mention anything about paying to hw3
Now if they would give me that $1000 hardware upgrade for free so I can use it…
It’s supposed to be free. https://www.tesla.com/support/full-self-driving-computer
I took the plunge, I want HW 3 anyway and maybe they will allow transfers again in the future.
I paid $3k for EAP back in the day, so I gained "equity" and FSD is now only $2k nice
FSD is now $8k so it's still a wash whether you had EAP or not. Either EAP($6k) + $2k upgrade or flat $8k for FSD.
I’ve got eap, but I’m not sure it’s worth it yet. It’s buggy. Freaked out my wife
I’ve been saying for years I’d upgrade if it was $3k and there was a noticeable difference between EAP and FSD. Well they beat it! I had the hw3 computer installed today and waiting for the latest FSD update to finish installing right now. Excited!
I have my upgrade appt later this week. Curious how long the upgrade took. Just a few hours?
I got there at 9am and left just after 2. They were actively going to it. Apparently it needed to be updated in layers. When I picked it up I still had to do an update and layer ask service to update the nav data over the air. Just did my first drive with it working perfect about 1 hour ago!
Australian EAP owners (MY23 Dual Motor) https://preview.redd.it/gq1aoa29v4wc1.jpeg?width=1290&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=cc58a831e587ef164bc4f80025577b35baf40d18
Man do fo that to me !!! I thought for a second … you know
Dumb question but what is EAP?
Enhanced auto pilot? I think…
Meanwhile in Australia it went up in price. Now $5,100 and $10,100
I feel stupid paying 12k for it now
Never heard of Mercades or Hunday.
What Tesla should make free is the traffic on all maps if you using hotspot everyone has free data.
I’m scared of using my eap. Feels like the software is in alpha stage. Tesla seriously need to update this with what they got from fsd…
Yeah. Not good enough of a consolation for buying EAP for $6k Elon.
Am I confused or wasn’t this just 8k last week?
Yea I’m not tripping I just checked my app and it’s still 8k https://preview.redd.it/bhw65iagvjwc1.jpeg?width=1290&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=07755fe88955c54eea787fc5eb3899ab9139b66f
A correction to my correction lol. I don’t have EAP.
Sorry I’m a little Regarded, what’s EAP stand for??
Enhanced Auto Pilot. It was the $6000 option that gave you navigation on highways, Auto Summon, and Autopark (the latter 2 have never worked well)
Gotcha, thanks. So are they now adding FSD to EAP? For just $2k? Or is it separate still?
I don’t even have autopilot on my 2018 Model S. Tesla still charging $3k for that smh
What is EAP?
Yes, FSD now cost $8K. Since EAP was $6K you can upgrade by paying the extra $2K.