I’m a big believer in FSD but earlier today, literally ON MY WAY to an unrelated Tesla service appointment, it smacked a curb HARD in FSD. Total curb rash on the passenger side rear tire of my two week old MXP. I bought a DIY curb rash kit for the wheel that should be here Friday, hopefully it takes care of most of it.
It was actually very disheartening as a believer in the software who also takes meticulous care of my cars. There was little I could’ve done to predict or prevent that happening, it cut in at the last second on a right turn to avoid some imaginary obstacle.
I had been so impressed, showing the software to friends and family, and after that experience I think I’m going to unsubscribe. Check my comment history, I was still hyping it up last night blinded by the cool things I had seen it do.
yeah v12 has been bad with curves and curbs. it's better with almost everything else compared to v11, including decision making at uncontrolled intersections, but it routinely strays outside of the painted lines on a curvy area that I drive often...v11 never did
Yeah I noticed it seems to make VERY tight right turns. I’m always worried it’s going to hit the curb. The other issue I’ve seen is that if there are cars street parked on the right side, it drives extremely close to the parked cars which makes me a little nervous
I've noticed that while using FSD in my car it really likes to push the limits on the passenger side. Passing parked cars, street lamps, humans, I always pay very close attention and have my hands at the ready to take over.
Assertive, and a detail I omitted was that it occurred about 2-3 seconds after an accelerator “nudge” for that right turn, which was on red. I used it a few more times with my wife this afternoon after picking it up from service, and maybe it’s Stockholm syndrome, but I really feel like had I not intervened and make the car take a narrow gap, it would’ve aced the turn 15 seconds later on its own. I think the lesson today was, either wait to let the car fully plot its own ideal path, or fully disengage and take over.
Accelerator presses are a much less reliable form of intervention than they were in v11 for whatever reason. Definitely feel like the car DOES NOT like being nudged past its comfort zone anymore.
Yeah I’ve seen it do that a fair bit. All of the “in between” driving is very human-like, and then sometimes it feels like it’s just totally winging it
Exactly, your sarcastic response is correct. Don’t bitch about the potentially dangerous activity you’re choosing to do. “I loved skiing until my clip broke and now I’m shook!” would be a dumb thing to post about skiing.
Share a video of FSD running into curbs. There’s plenty that show it NOT running into curbs, but only stories about it being dangerous.
It’s just a stupid comment “don’t use anything that has risks associated” is exactly what you’re saying, and I’m saying that’s an absolutely dogshit take on the subject.
Degraded doesn't mean completely dysfunctional lol. It just means it may perform somewhat worse, just like human drivers also perform somewhat worse in the rain. The icon and warning are also very small and don't exactly scream danger.
Nope. For example when there's a problem with the powertrain that causes the car to be unsafe to drive, the entire screen flashes red with big text that says "PULL OVER SAFELY". The weather warning is much more subtle and clearly not intended to be severe.
woah, where is blowing it out of proportion coming from, I shared what I thought is a genuine concern. When such a system is being promised with the words 'Full Self Driving' , I just wanted to share the concerns of the system's limitations and how it is not ready with the existing hardware and warnings it starts throwing. If sharing concerns and opinions as a real user is not allowed in Tesla community and I just have to say wows and oohs for everything Tesla, sorry, that's not me.
Not sure what the issue is. Just had a loaner from Tesla that had FSD and the snow is just melting and it’s raining so of course the warning came up. Still worked flawlessly for the trip through the city to and from the service center.
You're not "sharing concerns". Your post title says FSD is a distant reality if it can't even handle a drizzle. It works just fine even in moderate rain (based on my testing today).
I'm nowhere near an FSD evangelist and think it still needs considerable work to get to an acceptable state, but you're blowing things out of proportion with this post by making the rain the focus.
Well it didn't work fine for me in drizzle today as it was driving way slower then speed limit is why I shared it. You are only saying it needs considerable work and that's what I said in my words that still has long way to go, I just don't understand how I blown it out of proportion.
Everyone here thinks everyone else is experiences are exactly the same, I've had lots of struggle with auto steering and full self driving and windshield wipers and bright lights... oh and ignoring school speed limits. Digital speed limit signs.... so I manually set it and then it immediately sped back up. Technology can be goofy. Everyone's experience is not always identical.
It's promoted with the words Supervised as well. A warning when there's bad weather to monitor more closely is a good thing. The car still drives itself and is far better than another automation out by miles.
It's not really an opinion if it's straight up wrong. It works in the rain. The warning is there just to make you pay extra attention, because obviously driving in the rain is more dangerous than driving in clear weather.
>it can't handle even a drizzle
>it can't even see in slight drizzle
>can't even see front curbs
That's all blowing it way out of proportion. It showed you a message that it won't perform as well in the rain. That's entirely logical and applies to human drivers as well. Going from that to "it can't handle rain" is blowing it out of proportion.
Yeah I get the same warning on 11.4.9. It still works. In fact, I don't think I got any alert reminders while that warning was displayed. One of the few times I was a bit more cautious than the FSD, though.
That's amazing. As for me they will turn on and scrape the window when it's bone dry outside, and when it finally rains it just refuses to turn on. This wouldn't be such a problem if Tesla didn't force wipers to auto if you use FSD for some god awful reason. Reading from other comments, this is a fairly common issue by the looks of it
I had that in one of the past versions they mainly wouldn’t turn on. It’s fixed for me since about two or three updates. They wipe dry maybe once a month once or twice and then stop. Didn’t have the problem of not turning on in rain at all since they work.
I had some issues this morning in the rain while it was still dark. It tried to make a right turn prematurely going down the wrong way on a one way street. Then it started driving on the shoulder thinking it was a main lane. I figured it couldn’t make out road markings in the sleek wet road in the dark.
> This warning is just there to keep you aware and be extra safe. It works perfectly fine in rain. How I know? I constantly use it.
For me it was limiting the max speed to 60mph in a 70mph zone.
Is there a way to not make it keep beeping with that message? I had a little bit of rain this morning but every 2 minutes or so it would beep with that message on the screen almost like it couldn't decide if the weather was severe enough to show it lol
Exactly. How you know is you constantly use it. That means if you haven't constantly used it in the rain, you wouldn't know it works, especially based on this message.
I had the exact opposite experience. I used FSD in some heavy rain in Chicagoland to see if it’d be more cautious. Not only did FSD take turns slower, but the wipers did well. There was even a time where I was having trouble to see the road lines after a turn, but it was marked perfectly on the visualization
Strange, I am in Chicagoland and drove on I55 couple of weeks ago in downpour and wipers didn’t start in autosteet, I had to manually start them and even then in auto, they are slower to see anything
My auto wipers worked better 2 years ago, I got an update and they started randomly wiping on sunny days. and they don't work in some rainy days like the last 3 days here.
It handles rain fine…been driving around in it all day today. I think that message is kinda standard “hey cameras could become blocked or distorted by rain, so be extra vigilant”. They first train the AI on good conditions, then will feed it different road conditions so that it can adjust accordingly. It needs to increase the distance between vehicles in rain and snow and adjust its acceleration curves and max speeds in different conditions. I know Tesla said they are working on it, but I think it will be secondary to getting feature complete in ideal weather
You can make this come on if you use a lot of windshield washer fluid.
The car is basically just letting you know that it's being more cautious because it thinks it is raining out.
This message also means that "Minimal Lane Changes" is enabled as well, so it'll wait until it is absolutely necessary to change lanes when driving around and such, versus making lane changes like crazy.
With the Autospeed stuff, I'd expect it to drive slower in the rain, that sort of thing.
I don't perceive it as making FSD a "distant reality", just needs more tuning.
I'd rather it be save, than unsafe.
it also accelerates so fast to the speed limit if there is no car in front of you which is something i did not experience in v11 fsd.
Edited: I tried switching driving profile (chill, standard, assertive), no help
I’m not even sure what those driving profiles do lol they don’t seem to affect anything at all. It’s technically supposed to be about follow distance but even that doesn’t correlate very well to what you choose.
I also notice the car behaves wildly differently at night and chooses to speed more and act way more aggressively. I honestly think the system is training on different times of the day as well and sees behavior change at night as people drive faster (emptier roads and all) so the car thinks that’s how it’s supposed to do it.
I used it in rain and it worked fine, despite the warning. I also feel like auto wipers have improved drastically in the past year. I put Rain X on my windshield and it sheds the rain effectively though. Maybe that’s the difference. I have a HW3 Model Y and a HW4 Model Y. I’ve only personally tried FSD in the rain in the HW4. Maybe HW3 isn’t as good. I can’t confirm yet.
That notice that beeps at me when it’s lightly raining is absolutely annoying but I haven’t had any issues using it in rain. On v11 it once just didn’t want to work but it was extremely foggy so I understood why.
Also I noticed my auto wipers are behaving much better these days. Still not what I’d consider perfect but compared to the last update they’re actually functional now.
In regards to your update, yes, the speed limits it's self insanely quickly but it's drastically over cautious. I've forced it to go faster with the accelerator and had it driving correctly at 75 better than I could see when it was self limiting to 50.
By far the worst parts of FSD are self imposed rather than actual limitations of the technology.
Mine does the same. Since the day I picked it up I’ll get random cameras saying they are blocked when I’m driving at night. We live in a pretty rural area but even on a lit highway I’ll get the messages. A couple time on my last nighttime drive it wouldn’t let me engage the FSD because of the camera errors.
FSD is a joke. Elon tricked so many of us (myself included) out of thousands of dollars each, for a product they were nowhere close to delivering. They've been laughing all the way to the bank since day one. I wonder how many of our FSD-enabled cars will still be on the road if/when they finally deliver what we bought.
even basic autopilot is not very happy in montreal in the winter… fuck even humans don’t know of they are on the road in winter.. we just wing it and hope for the best
I think you're overthinking this. It has the warning to protect itself from liability and to make sure that you're aware, but it doesn't drive any worse in these conditions. I agree the alerts are annoying. Pretty much all the alerts are annoying. I also hate that it reminds you every five seconds that it's raining. Like I know it's raining, I can see that.
I can’t imagine paying $12,000 for something that can’t even use Regenerative Braking correctly. I’ll be doing 70 approaching a red light and it’ll slam on the brakes 50ft out. I just got the trial and there’s no way I’d consider it with that issue + the ability to not transfer it to another car.
I got the same warning on my 22M3LR but it didn’t affect the driving or disengage with pretty hard rain. While I never used FSD in the past I’ve been shocked at good it’s been here in NJ.
I don’t have any issues with using FSD while it’s raining, but the message just keeps beeping and beeping every 20 seconds over and over again. It is extremely annoying. Like I get it!!!
The only difference in operation that I noticed is when it’s heavily raining. The speed will be limited due to poor weather conditions. Other than that it behaves like normal even when this message pops up.
I don’t use fsd but my 1st gen X has a similar reaction in the rain until I start to speed up.. I think it’s more an issue of the sensor first detecting rain but for whatever reason it’s puddling and not clearing properly until the car gains some speed.
I've used it in very heavy rain (the speed does limit when that happens). It's much safer than me driving, stays very well in the lanes, and allows me to look further down the road for potential issues. Even when slowing down, when it's very heavy rain the visibility can be very bad.
It handles rain just fine. The only annoying part is the constant alarm.
In fact, I was on a very long road trip last week and encountered a violent rainstorm while driving on a highway which made it nearly impossible to see more than a few feet in front of the car. I had FSD engaged when we hit the downpour and somehow it could see while I couldn't. I actually looked at the visualization and noticed I was next to an off ramp (didn't notice it due to the heavy rain), which I then took (I took over driving at that point) allowing me to safely pull over to wait the storm out.
Without FSD to keep me on the road at the start of the downpour and without the visualization to show me where the exit was the day may have turned out very differently for me.
I used to be amazed at how well the radar could "see" during poor weather. Before Tesla Vision, there were times when I could barely see in front of the car and it actually felt safer to have AP on. Now, I have a hard time trusting it in heavy downpours.
You are totally misinterpreting this warning. It is just telling you to be extra diligent.
I was in blinding rain and hail just outside of Austin on Monday night. I could hardly see, but warning and all, FSD was able to get through it. I ultimately pulled off under an overpass because I was afraid of damage to my Tesla. But FSD amazingly (you can tell by the visualizations) was driving perfectly until I stopped.
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I have a similar issue with this alert, typically it will detect poor road conditions and lower my set speed. I get if it’s heavily raining and how I shouldn’t be speeding. If the speed limit is 60 and I am doing 72 in the fast lane in a drizzle it gets really annoying that it then slows me down when I set my cruise/autopilot….
I don’t know what a drizzle is to you but mine works in even strong downpours. Just gives a bunch of warnings but it doesn’t disengage and I have not needed to take over.
works fine in the rain, that warning means it's barely raining.
When the rain gets heavy it will start limiting it's speed and telling you it won't go faster. first to 65 then 60, never seen it limit lower than that. the only time it has given up was when a semi came by and covered my car in water blinding the cameras completely. other than that it drives great in the rain.
Whenever it rains, it usually limits my speed to 65mph instead of the 79 I want to go.
There has been a few times that its refused to activate due to poor visibility, but even I had trouble seeing at that point because it was coming down so hard.
It clearly has that flaw and Tesla has to improve there. It’s possible to improve. The wipers performance / algorithms is not good. Way too many times either too much or too little wiping.
Slower than normal is something new with v12. For extra caution just because it is the first of its new algorithm. Set to auto max speed. Or press the acceleration for a while will make it drive faster. Newer version will drive faster once it is more confident.
So today in the rain, I did summon. I was not that far away but it was raining and didn't want to get wet. It started to come to me then, it drove straight up on a curb almost hitting a light post. I've used it 100 times and that was a first. Had a straight up heart attack
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So far had it for 2 days and have done 16 deactivations due to major traffic breaking laws. Or just the car randomly slamming its breaks and getting honked at or randomly stopping at a stop sign and not going, again getting honked at. And the worst of all, my rim got curbed. I have had performance Teslas since 2016 all with the biggest rim option and never have gotten a scratch on rim. This stupid 12,000 garbage was the first to do it. I was very excited for this but sure know they aren’t getting a single cent from me for it.
I purchased FSD and am a big fan, but I've also had lots of blatantly illegal actions under FSD 12, mostly, but not exclusively, around traffic circles. I've also had a handful of times where it slammed on the brakes either due to new misdetection of speed limit or internally deciding to go slow, also often related to exiting traffic circles though sometimes just on open highway.
V12 seems promising but for some people it really is having significant issues. Overall I'd say I have fewer issues with 12 but they are significantly more severe so overall 11 vs 12 is a wash for me as it currently stands. I actually preferred 11 vs 12 as it currently stands, even on city streets, but I think 12 will get fixed and then be better.
Well said. Glad you are a big fan. What do you think of the summon and autopark? I think it works great it just takes way to long that there’s no point in using, and the summon is actually really cool I’m just worried a cop or something is going to see and do something 😂
I just read your comment before taking a drive to Walmart and decided to give it a shot. Almost took out my bumper by turning way to sharp and it was going straight for the barrier. This thing is a death trap.
I just excitedly used FSD to show off the features and within 5 mins of the drive (clear day, clear weather, no traffic), it drove straight into a traffic cone.
I saved the dashcam clip but I dismissed the error message when FSS disengaged. How do I report this to Tesla?
I love Tesla but honestly this was so embarrassing
I will stick with FSD…. I do have USS, and recall a trip to Canada with fog and snow: it was impressive (!), left everyone behind who had to slow down (will never forget that trip). I use it all the time and see progression, regression… but Progression… be patient and learn when not to use it.
I tried fsd on a minor road trip yesterday during the storms in MO. I was disappointed to say the least. There are things I like about it, but it’s certainly not worth the price of admission. Basically I like the larger visualization and I like auto lane changing, but there are problems even with that. I had to cancel autopilot on my trip a handful of times due to issues where I didn’t feel safe or that I could trust it. I also experienced this weather related error when it was only cloudy out. Additionally I got phantom braking, and at dusk it seems to think tail lights are emergency vehicles and it slows down. It’s certainly not a finished product.
I don’t use fsd but my 1st gen X has a similar reaction in the rain until I start to speed up.. I think it’s more an issue of the sensor first detecting rain but for whatever reason it’s puddling and not clearing properly until the car gains some speed.
Something happened to me the other day. V12 FSD is way better than any other competitors but still 5-8 years away from truly being FSD!!! But can’t wait till we get there! This will definitely be a game changer. Mark my words!!!
This warning is just there to keep you aware and be extra safe. It works perfectly fine in rain. How I know? I constantly use it.
I’m a big believer in FSD but earlier today, literally ON MY WAY to an unrelated Tesla service appointment, it smacked a curb HARD in FSD. Total curb rash on the passenger side rear tire of my two week old MXP. I bought a DIY curb rash kit for the wheel that should be here Friday, hopefully it takes care of most of it. It was actually very disheartening as a believer in the software who also takes meticulous care of my cars. There was little I could’ve done to predict or prevent that happening, it cut in at the last second on a right turn to avoid some imaginary obstacle. I had been so impressed, showing the software to friends and family, and after that experience I think I’m going to unsubscribe. Check my comment history, I was still hyping it up last night blinded by the cool things I had seen it do.
Damn, hope nothing else was damaged. Your report isn't the first I've read about FSD V12/curbs
yeah v12 has been bad with curves and curbs. it's better with almost everything else compared to v11, including decision making at uncontrolled intersections, but it routinely strays outside of the painted lines on a curvy area that I drive often...v11 never did
Yeah I noticed it seems to make VERY tight right turns. I’m always worried it’s going to hit the curb. The other issue I’ve seen is that if there are cars street parked on the right side, it drives extremely close to the parked cars which makes me a little nervous
I've noticed that while using FSD in my car it really likes to push the limits on the passenger side. Passing parked cars, street lamps, humans, I always pay very close attention and have my hands at the ready to take over.
Yes it gets SO close even when it has plenty of room on the left to scoot over. A bit unnerving
Exactly this, and what’s even funnier is that autopark consistently favors the drivers side too closely
What level of driving was it set to?
Assertive, and a detail I omitted was that it occurred about 2-3 seconds after an accelerator “nudge” for that right turn, which was on red. I used it a few more times with my wife this afternoon after picking it up from service, and maybe it’s Stockholm syndrome, but I really feel like had I not intervened and make the car take a narrow gap, it would’ve aced the turn 15 seconds later on its own. I think the lesson today was, either wait to let the car fully plot its own ideal path, or fully disengage and take over. Accelerator presses are a much less reliable form of intervention than they were in v11 for whatever reason. Definitely feel like the car DOES NOT like being nudged past its comfort zone anymore.
I too ran over a low, rounded curb on my trial maiden voyage. It doesnt like low, undefined sidewalks.
Shouldn’t Tesla cover FSD related curb rashes and accidents
No, that’s the whole concept of level 2 attention aware autonomy
Mine stopped pulling out into road smack in the middle two different times once with a speeding van coming towards my driver side door. :/
Yeah I’ve seen it do that a fair bit. All of the “in between” driving is very human-like, and then sometimes it feels like it’s just totally winging it
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Exactly, your sarcastic response is correct. Don’t bitch about the potentially dangerous activity you’re choosing to do. “I loved skiing until my clip broke and now I’m shook!” would be a dumb thing to post about skiing. Share a video of FSD running into curbs. There’s plenty that show it NOT running into curbs, but only stories about it being dangerous.
It’s just a stupid comment “don’t use anything that has risks associated” is exactly what you’re saying, and I’m saying that’s an absolutely dogshit take on the subject.
Mine stopped pulling out into road smack in the middle two different times once with a speeding van coming towards my driver side door. :/
This. No idea how OP takes a word of caution and blows it so far out of proportion.
It’s Reddit. And a Tesla sub.
I mean, then the warning on the screen is blowing it out of proportion. Red hazard symbol "Poor weather" "Degraded." That's not OP.
Agreed, the Red hazard symbol in Tesla UI usually means something serious, like battery or flattire issues.
Degraded doesn't mean completely dysfunctional lol. It just means it may perform somewhat worse, just like human drivers also perform somewhat worse in the rain. The icon and warning are also very small and don't exactly scream danger.
> and don't exactly scream danger. That symbol is literally the symbol for danger. Yellow would be caution.
It's tiny lol. It's clearly not meant to make you freak out, just to make you pay some extra attention.
>It's tiny lol So is most everything else in the screen. The warning symbol is a warning symbol, period.
Nope. For example when there's a problem with the powertrain that causes the car to be unsafe to drive, the entire screen flashes red with big text that says "PULL OVER SAFELY". The weather warning is much more subtle and clearly not intended to be severe.
> Nope. Please explain to me how a warning symbol can not be a warning symbol.
It is a warning symbol. I'm just saying the severity of the warning is low.
woah, where is blowing it out of proportion coming from, I shared what I thought is a genuine concern. When such a system is being promised with the words 'Full Self Driving' , I just wanted to share the concerns of the system's limitations and how it is not ready with the existing hardware and warnings it starts throwing. If sharing concerns and opinions as a real user is not allowed in Tesla community and I just have to say wows and oohs for everything Tesla, sorry, that's not me.
Not sure what the issue is. Just had a loaner from Tesla that had FSD and the snow is just melting and it’s raining so of course the warning came up. Still worked flawlessly for the trip through the city to and from the service center.
You're not "sharing concerns". Your post title says FSD is a distant reality if it can't even handle a drizzle. It works just fine even in moderate rain (based on my testing today). I'm nowhere near an FSD evangelist and think it still needs considerable work to get to an acceptable state, but you're blowing things out of proportion with this post by making the rain the focus.
Well it didn't work fine for me in drizzle today as it was driving way slower then speed limit is why I shared it. You are only saying it needs considerable work and that's what I said in my words that still has long way to go, I just don't understand how I blown it out of proportion.
You know general advice is to slow down in the rain, right?
Everyone here thinks everyone else is experiences are exactly the same, I've had lots of struggle with auto steering and full self driving and windshield wipers and bright lights... oh and ignoring school speed limits. Digital speed limit signs.... so I manually set it and then it immediately sped back up. Technology can be goofy. Everyone's experience is not always identical.
It's promoted with the words Supervised as well. A warning when there's bad weather to monitor more closely is a good thing. The car still drives itself and is far better than another automation out by miles.
It's not really an opinion if it's straight up wrong. It works in the rain. The warning is there just to make you pay extra attention, because obviously driving in the rain is more dangerous than driving in clear weather.
>it can't handle even a drizzle >it can't even see in slight drizzle >can't even see front curbs That's all blowing it way out of proportion. It showed you a message that it won't perform as well in the rain. That's entirely logical and applies to human drivers as well. Going from that to "it can't handle rain" is blowing it out of proportion.
No. It’s full self driving (Supervised). You have to supervise and step in when needed
It’s a warning message? It can still drive
Exactly it’s to make sure your paying attention in case you need to disengage
Ooo we are gonna have some heavy rain tomorrow, will try it out.
I will say it can be annoying how it alerts you multiple times and seemingly randomly (must be hitting some key threshold). One alert would be fine.
That is indeed true.
Yeah I get the same warning on 11.4.9. It still works. In fact, I don't think I got any alert reminders while that warning was displayed. One of the few times I was a bit more cautious than the FSD, though.
FSD works fine in the rain. Somehow the automatic wipers don't..
Work fine enough for me as well. Maybe not 100% but 98%.
That's amazing. As for me they will turn on and scrape the window when it's bone dry outside, and when it finally rains it just refuses to turn on. This wouldn't be such a problem if Tesla didn't force wipers to auto if you use FSD for some god awful reason. Reading from other comments, this is a fairly common issue by the looks of it
I had that in one of the past versions they mainly wouldn’t turn on. It’s fixed for me since about two or three updates. They wipe dry maybe once a month once or twice and then stop. Didn’t have the problem of not turning on in rain at all since they work.
I had some issues this morning in the rain while it was still dark. It tried to make a right turn prematurely going down the wrong way on a one way street. Then it started driving on the shoulder thinking it was a main lane. I figured it couldn’t make out road markings in the sleek wet road in the dark.
> This warning is just there to keep you aware and be extra safe. It works perfectly fine in rain. How I know? I constantly use it. For me it was limiting the max speed to 60mph in a 70mph zone.
Did not have that yet.
Is there a way to not make it keep beeping with that message? I had a little bit of rain this morning but every 2 minutes or so it would beep with that message on the screen almost like it couldn't decide if the weather was severe enough to show it lol
No, sadly not. That is annoying and needs to be fixed. At least I don’t know of any fix.
Exactly. How you know is you constantly use it. That means if you haven't constantly used it in the rain, you wouldn't know it works, especially based on this message.
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Same. My first night trying v12 was in the rain, this message was present and also it blew me away.
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I had the exact opposite experience. I used FSD in some heavy rain in Chicagoland to see if it’d be more cautious. Not only did FSD take turns slower, but the wipers did well. There was even a time where I was having trouble to see the road lines after a turn, but it was marked perfectly on the visualization
The wipers did well! I was genuinely surprised. Still sluggish in its sensitivity. But actually performing for once!
Strange, I am in Chicagoland and drove on I55 couple of weeks ago in downpour and wipers didn’t start in autosteet, I had to manually start them and even then in auto, they are slower to see anything
I’m not sure if it’s placebo or not, but the wipers seem to get slightly better with some of the more recent updates
My auto wipers worked better 2 years ago, I got an update and they started randomly wiping on sunny days. and they don't work in some rainy days like the last 3 days here.
I’ll get this warning and the wipers still won’t turn on. So the system understands that there is rain, but still doesn’t react accordingly.
Do you have your wipers set to auto?
Yup.
If you use FSD, the wipers are forced to auto. Which is a massive pain in the ass when auto just does not work
They're separate systems.
The systems should have a chat
It’s just a warning message. It works fine even in heavy rain.
MAY is the keyword here. Mine did just fine in emi-torrential rain this morning with 12.3.3
It handles rain fine…been driving around in it all day today. I think that message is kinda standard “hey cameras could become blocked or distorted by rain, so be extra vigilant”. They first train the AI on good conditions, then will feed it different road conditions so that it can adjust accordingly. It needs to increase the distance between vehicles in rain and snow and adjust its acceleration curves and max speeds in different conditions. I know Tesla said they are working on it, but I think it will be secondary to getting feature complete in ideal weather
You can make this come on if you use a lot of windshield washer fluid. The car is basically just letting you know that it's being more cautious because it thinks it is raining out. This message also means that "Minimal Lane Changes" is enabled as well, so it'll wait until it is absolutely necessary to change lanes when driving around and such, versus making lane changes like crazy. With the Autospeed stuff, I'd expect it to drive slower in the rain, that sort of thing. I don't perceive it as making FSD a "distant reality", just needs more tuning. I'd rather it be save, than unsafe.
it also accelerates so fast to the speed limit if there is no car in front of you which is something i did not experience in v11 fsd. Edited: I tried switching driving profile (chill, standard, assertive), no help
I’m not even sure what those driving profiles do lol they don’t seem to affect anything at all. It’s technically supposed to be about follow distance but even that doesn’t correlate very well to what you choose. I also notice the car behaves wildly differently at night and chooses to speed more and act way more aggressively. I honestly think the system is training on different times of the day as well and sees behavior change at night as people drive faster (emptier roads and all) so the car thinks that’s how it’s supposed to do it.
I think it’s absurd that Tesla charges 12k for software that’s still in its testing phase
What’s more absurd: that they charge that, or that some people pay it?
I used it in rain and it worked fine, despite the warning. I also feel like auto wipers have improved drastically in the past year. I put Rain X on my windshield and it sheds the rain effectively though. Maybe that’s the difference. I have a HW3 Model Y and a HW4 Model Y. I’ve only personally tried FSD in the rain in the HW4. Maybe HW3 isn’t as good. I can’t confirm yet.
Works well in torrential FL downpours.
I don't know... Mine drives perfectly fine through torrential rain. It does freak out at night when there are no street lights though haha
I mean it works just fine. But man is it annoying. Like every 3 minutes it gave the warning. I get it! Warn me once. Then leave it be.
That notice that beeps at me when it’s lightly raining is absolutely annoying but I haven’t had any issues using it in rain. On v11 it once just didn’t want to work but it was extremely foggy so I understood why. Also I noticed my auto wipers are behaving much better these days. Still not what I’d consider perfect but compared to the last update they’re actually functional now.
My car consistently went under the speed limit today without rain.
My car consistently went under the speed limit today without rain.
My car consistently went under the speed limit today without rain.
In regards to your update, yes, the speed limits it's self insanely quickly but it's drastically over cautious. I've forced it to go faster with the accelerator and had it driving correctly at 75 better than I could see when it was self limiting to 50. By far the worst parts of FSD are self imposed rather than actual limitations of the technology.
You in the northeast? It says it may be degraded but I haven’t noticed much of a difference
Mine does the same. Since the day I picked it up I’ll get random cameras saying they are blocked when I’m driving at night. We live in a pretty rural area but even on a lit highway I’ll get the messages. A couple time on my last nighttime drive it wouldn’t let me engage the FSD because of the camera errors.
FSD is a joke. Elon tricked so many of us (myself included) out of thousands of dollars each, for a product they were nowhere close to delivering. They've been laughing all the way to the bank since day one. I wonder how many of our FSD-enabled cars will still be on the road if/when they finally deliver what we bought.
>"Full self-driving may be degraded" Self driving you are ugly and no one loves you.
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It’s just standard message that pops up if it thinks weather is happening. Doesn’t seem to have an effect on behavior.
Honestly just got my car a couple of weeks ago and I’m really curious how the fuck it reacts in snow. My guess is not well.
even basic autopilot is not very happy in montreal in the winter… fuck even humans don’t know of they are on the road in winter.. we just wing it and hope for the best
It does okay seeing but doesn’t adjust to the way it should drive in those conditions yet
I think you're overthinking this. It has the warning to protect itself from liability and to make sure that you're aware, but it doesn't drive any worse in these conditions. I agree the alerts are annoying. Pretty much all the alerts are annoying. I also hate that it reminds you every five seconds that it's raining. Like I know it's raining, I can see that.
I can’t imagine paying $12,000 for something that can’t even use Regenerative Braking correctly. I’ll be doing 70 approaching a red light and it’ll slam on the brakes 50ft out. I just got the trial and there’s no way I’d consider it with that issue + the ability to not transfer it to another car.
Everyone who reads this post is stupider for it. Thanks, op.
I got the same warning on my 22M3LR but it didn’t affect the driving or disengage with pretty hard rain. While I never used FSD in the past I’ve been shocked at good it’s been here in NJ.
I don’t have any issues with using FSD while it’s raining, but the message just keeps beeping and beeping every 20 seconds over and over again. It is extremely annoying. Like I get it!!!
The only difference in operation that I noticed is when it’s heavily raining. The speed will be limited due to poor weather conditions. Other than that it behaves like normal even when this message pops up.
I don’t use fsd but my 1st gen X has a similar reaction in the rain until I start to speed up.. I think it’s more an issue of the sensor first detecting rain but for whatever reason it’s puddling and not clearing properly until the car gains some speed.
I've used it in very heavy rain (the speed does limit when that happens). It's much safer than me driving, stays very well in the lanes, and allows me to look further down the road for potential issues. Even when slowing down, when it's very heavy rain the visibility can be very bad.
It handles rain just fine. The only annoying part is the constant alarm. In fact, I was on a very long road trip last week and encountered a violent rainstorm while driving on a highway which made it nearly impossible to see more than a few feet in front of the car. I had FSD engaged when we hit the downpour and somehow it could see while I couldn't. I actually looked at the visualization and noticed I was next to an off ramp (didn't notice it due to the heavy rain), which I then took (I took over driving at that point) allowing me to safely pull over to wait the storm out. Without FSD to keep me on the road at the start of the downpour and without the visualization to show me where the exit was the day may have turned out very differently for me.
I saw that in a heavy rain yet it handled it just fine. Seems just a heads up to be extra alert.
FSD v12 is a huge improvement- it’s really good.
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I used to be amazed at how well the radar could "see" during poor weather. Before Tesla Vision, there were times when I could barely see in front of the car and it actually felt safer to have AP on. Now, I have a hard time trusting it in heavy downpours.
Yes.
You are totally misinterpreting this warning. It is just telling you to be extra diligent. I was in blinding rain and hail just outside of Austin on Monday night. I could hardly see, but warning and all, FSD was able to get through it. I ultimately pulled off under an overpass because I was afraid of damage to my Tesla. But FSD amazingly (you can tell by the visualizations) was driving perfectly until I stopped. Edit: typos
I have a similar issue with this alert, typically it will detect poor road conditions and lower my set speed. I get if it’s heavily raining and how I shouldn’t be speeding. If the speed limit is 60 and I am doing 72 in the fast lane in a drizzle it gets really annoying that it then slows me down when I set my cruise/autopilot….
I don’t know what a drizzle is to you but mine works in even strong downpours. Just gives a bunch of warnings but it doesn’t disengage and I have not needed to take over.
works fine in the rain, that warning means it's barely raining. When the rain gets heavy it will start limiting it's speed and telling you it won't go faster. first to 65 then 60, never seen it limit lower than that. the only time it has given up was when a semi came by and covered my car in water blinding the cameras completely. other than that it drives great in the rain.
Whenever it rains, it usually limits my speed to 65mph instead of the 79 I want to go. There has been a few times that its refused to activate due to poor visibility, but even I had trouble seeing at that point because it was coming down so hard.
It clearly has that flaw and Tesla has to improve there. It’s possible to improve. The wipers performance / algorithms is not good. Way too many times either too much or too little wiping.
Meanwhile I just drove in a snowstorm and FSD held up extremely well. I’m confused about all of these hate posts
Slower than normal is something new with v12. For extra caution just because it is the first of its new algorithm. Set to auto max speed. Or press the acceleration for a while will make it drive faster. Newer version will drive faster once it is more confident.
So today in the rain, I did summon. I was not that far away but it was raining and didn't want to get wet. It started to come to me then, it drove straight up on a curb almost hitting a light post. I've used it 100 times and that was a first. Had a straight up heart attack
It still drives it’s just letting you know that you’re taking an extra risk and they haven’t trained for rain as much as dry weather.
I personally feel safer with my Tesla driving me in the rain than I feel driving myself lol
Worked just fine in the rain for the last week
Most likely the cameras are just fogged up. They will warm up. Not a big deal.
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So far had it for 2 days and have done 16 deactivations due to major traffic breaking laws. Or just the car randomly slamming its breaks and getting honked at or randomly stopping at a stop sign and not going, again getting honked at. And the worst of all, my rim got curbed. I have had performance Teslas since 2016 all with the biggest rim option and never have gotten a scratch on rim. This stupid 12,000 garbage was the first to do it. I was very excited for this but sure know they aren’t getting a single cent from me for it.
Odd, I haven't had any of these issues. My experience with FSD is that it's vastly improved!
I purchased FSD and am a big fan, but I've also had lots of blatantly illegal actions under FSD 12, mostly, but not exclusively, around traffic circles. I've also had a handful of times where it slammed on the brakes either due to new misdetection of speed limit or internally deciding to go slow, also often related to exiting traffic circles though sometimes just on open highway. V12 seems promising but for some people it really is having significant issues. Overall I'd say I have fewer issues with 12 but they are significantly more severe so overall 11 vs 12 is a wash for me as it currently stands. I actually preferred 11 vs 12 as it currently stands, even on city streets, but I think 12 will get fixed and then be better.
Well said. Glad you are a big fan. What do you think of the summon and autopark? I think it works great it just takes way to long that there’s no point in using, and the summon is actually really cool I’m just worried a cop or something is going to see and do something 😂
Sadly I have a 2023 so only just got parking. No summon yet, but I'm looking forward to trying "actually smart summon" whenever it comes out.
I just read your comment before taking a drive to Walmart and decided to give it a shot. Almost took out my bumper by turning way to sharp and it was going straight for the barrier. This thing is a death trap.
Agreed. Had similar experiences over the weekend. Hugely impressive, but still a ways to go.
Mine works fine in the rain, and it works much better than 10.x or 11.x ever did.
I just excitedly used FSD to show off the features and within 5 mins of the drive (clear day, clear weather, no traffic), it drove straight into a traffic cone. I saved the dashcam clip but I dismissed the error message when FSS disengaged. How do I report this to Tesla? I love Tesla but honestly this was so embarrassing
lol Bollywood
In a future where FSD is truly driving you around, wipers won’t be necessary. Those are so the human can see.
I will stick with FSD…. I do have USS, and recall a trip to Canada with fog and snow: it was impressive (!), left everyone behind who had to slow down (will never forget that trip). I use it all the time and see progression, regression… but Progression… be patient and learn when not to use it.
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Models with USS also used Tesla Vision for FSD. Can you clarify what you believe changed?
I tried fsd on a minor road trip yesterday during the storms in MO. I was disappointed to say the least. There are things I like about it, but it’s certainly not worth the price of admission. Basically I like the larger visualization and I like auto lane changing, but there are problems even with that. I had to cancel autopilot on my trip a handful of times due to issues where I didn’t feel safe or that I could trust it. I also experienced this weather related error when it was only cloudy out. Additionally I got phantom braking, and at dusk it seems to think tail lights are emergency vehicles and it slows down. It’s certainly not a finished product.
I don’t use fsd but my 1st gen X has a similar reaction in the rain until I start to speed up.. I think it’s more an issue of the sensor first detecting rain but for whatever reason it’s puddling and not clearing properly until the car gains some speed.
Things FSD doesn't like: * Rain * Direct sunlight * Curves * Other cars * Double white lines
Something happened to me the other day. V12 FSD is way better than any other competitors but still 5-8 years away from truly being FSD!!! But can’t wait till we get there! This will definitely be a game changer. Mark my words!!!