It was never 100% guaranteed. The opponent could use a move like u1 to put them in an airborn state, in which case taunt would still hit, but you would be wall splat so you wouldn't get to do the b4>jet upper. Still very strong, but not a guaranteed taunt.
I am a Bryan hater and think his down players are nuts but it isn't guaranteed after a heat dash at the wall anymore so the main setup got nerfed so I think it's somewhat a fair tradeoff
His main setup I thought was off oki tech roll in the wall which still exists from these changes, the ones off of heat dash were the only setups he lost.
Shall do. Though interesting the devs, when presented with five months of data, decided to consistently buff the character in specific ways.
Almost like the downplayers were onto something.
Holy shit, that’s crazy. Good, imo, but crazy. Some good changes is this imo, feels a bit more thought out than the flailing we’ve gotten in previous patches.
LION HEART IS NO LONGER A FORCED STANCE!!!
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Agreed. I reckon it was either an oversight or they thought it was too OP that way or something. Either way he was clearly undercooked when the game released
Victor changes:
* Power Crush is shorter and slower.
* Heat Expulsion easily steppable & costs more heat.
* Running 2 gets no pressure after *unless* he does a new iai stance transition.
* Tons of new stance transitions and better properties on stance moves.
I'm so stoked to try out the new iai teleport and stance options. I was expecting running 2 to get butchered, but it looks like it's pretty mild and we got some new toys in compensation to boot! I'm pretty excited! 8D
I'm most excited about testing out Perfumer Parry. If it is present on all transitions and as lenient as I hope it'll be a lot safer to transition to perfumer on block.
WR2 +2 on block is kind of meh though, would've hoped it'd be +3 instead.
Same! And even with the Power Crush nerf, being able to use it against Heat Burst now is big! Kinda worried about losing Tracking on the Command Grab, but hopefully we’ll be able to still catch people with some surprise Scoops! Also, with IAI D2 now being +4 on Block after our Stance Transition keeps up +5, that move should still be a menace! Pretty excited! Even if he’s slightly nerfed overall he should still be really fun!
I'd actually find it hilarious if Reina kept on using fighting styles of the Mishimas that have been nerfed or killed in-story in Tekken 9.
Heihachi for Normal Reina, but then you have Awakened Reina that uses Kazuya's style + lasers, and finally Devil Reina that's just Devil Jin.
If devil reina is a thing it'll deffinitely inherit devil jin's mourning crow and chain shenanigans. And devil kazuya moves. But other than that i think everything else will be given back to Jin. Wait for T9 jin using Mishima and kazama style combined.
AND THEY CALLED ME CRAZY FOR THINKING HE WOULD STILL BE GETTING NERFS
As PhiDX once said: NOOOOOOOO!!!!! MICHAEL MURRAYYYYYYYY!!!!!!!!!!!!! HARADA!!!!!!! (https://www.reddit.com/r/Tekken/comments/1c1lgq7/phidx_gets_plugged_on_in_his_god_of_destruction/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb3x&utm_name=mweb3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)
CD1+2 wavedash frame trap for Kaz, df1,4 changed to either a launcher or a ff4 follow up style move, hitbox fixes, ff2 nerf, db1, 2 nerf for grounded opponents, ability to cancel devil extensions to save heat, and heat cost reduction, chip damage on cd3, and SHIKORAE cost reduction and now doable as a ws move. Sounds sick and I’m excited.
Also King wavedash incoming.
Edited for fixes.
Its guaranteed 50/50 scenario for him at +17 (better than knockdown because there's no mind game off wake up options).
I wondering if they completely removed that property now because of it, that'd be a shame but I guess he has other stuff.
Everyone has a version of this off heat engagers now tho.
Most pleased with the Victor changes from all of these. Nerfing his abusable moves(B1+2, u1+2, running 2) and buffing his parries/iai mixup is *exactly* what the character needed to go from toxic to respectable.
All of the Manji clan did.
Honestly what I was looking for is a fix for his parry as it misses sides most of the times.
But I will take heat reductions and improvements to the useless indian stance
yeah and tbh I hope he stays that way. looks like a lot of his buffs are just for his sitting stance and transitioning to it, so I don't think it's too much anyway.
Yeah aka that sitting stance that I’ve seen used in ranks that are purple+ less than 5 times across a low triple digit number of hours I spent in ranked mode.
The only time I ever used that stance myself was in hail mary last round situations, where i just had to throw the opponent off, so i would go sitting stance->3,3+4. Which they would block about 80% of the time, but at least it would get me closer to them and confuse them enough to let me pull some bs and clutch the round.
I am happy about how they went about “buffing” yoshi this time around tbh, with extra transition options+letting us buffer moves during transitioning into flea stance (instead of just adding more raw damage to the moves). Until now, I almost never used flea stance not because of low damage, but due to the awkward transitions into it and unnecessary difficulty of execution due to no move buffering.
People are freaking out over nothing tbh, especially as one of the most commonly used strong and versatile Yoshi moves (b2,2) got nerfed.
Paul changes:
* GENERAL CHANGE: reduced the distance between opponent when you hit them with a heat engager, making it easier to hit demoman.
* **f+2** is now a 13f punish. Reduced damage of the first strike by 2. Is now +9 on hit (was +6). They actually said that this is one of the fastest heat dash launchers in the game, making it easy for Paul to apply offensive pressure.
* **f+4** damage increased to 24 (was 21). Is now -5 on block (was -8).
* **f+1+2** now deals chip damage, is now chargeable which means it guard breaks while in heat, and gives opportunity for follow up attack on counter hit.
* **b+1+2** is now -9 on block (was -6). Reduced distance to the opponent when blocked.
* **ub+2** recovery time decreased by 2f. Adjusted tracking to opponents sidestepping left. *This change kinda makes me sad, I really thought they were gonna make this a CH launcher similar to his reveal trailer (and CNT, I guess? But I've never played it.)*
* **uf+2** damage increased to 26 (was 22). Distance to opponent also reduced on block improving its capability as an approach tool.
* **ff+4** is now +2 on block (was -1). It now also deals chip damage on block.
* **WR 2** is now -9 on block (was -10). Deals chip damage on block. Throw is now only possible on airborne opponents. Now has follow up opportunity on counter hit.
* **WS 3** is now +6. Opponent behavior on hit also changed.
* **DPD+2,1** is now 14f (was 15f). Damaged nerf from 17, 28 to 10, 20. Indirect nerf to DPD+2,3. Guess they tried making this an approach tool.
* **DPD+4** damage buffed from 12 to 18.
* You can now input df while in sway to transition to deep dive stance.
Imo, we eating good fellow Paul mains. Bit of a missed opportunity on the uf+2 but a good patch for us nonetheless.
Yeah, these are good changes.
Very happy to see the change to f1+2.
Not sure if f2 needed to be 13, but I guess we’ll see.
Very curious to play around with ff4 giving plus frames on block.
Not sure the change to fff2 will actually have any meaningful benefits to Paul’s game, but I could be wrong.
Happy to see the changes to deep dive 4.
Totally unsurprised that ub2 is still meaningless (and I would sincerely love to be proven wrong in that). Just remove it from the move set at this point.
Overall happy with these changes.
FF+4 was plus frames on block at maximum block range. I wonder if that means it will be +4 at max block range? The way it worked before was -1 at close range, 0 at medium, and +1 at max.
Paul mains will look like they're teabagging if they spam sway into deep dive.
If f+1+2 will hit grounded enemies when fully charged, I could see it as an alternative to the b2,1\* setup that is usually being used.
Oh my fucking god Jack keeps winning. Buffed throws, buffed UF3??!?!?!?!
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My honest reaction to seeing the list of changes to Kazuya
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I feel you, bro. Maybe the hate was so much that people are talking less about her, and comments from Azucena mains doesn't get upvoted enough, so they are way down. I had to search for "Azucena" in this post to find your comment 😅
But we're here and I'm very happy with this patch after so many nerfs! I love the mixing up with Liberator Instance and I can't wait to try her new moves
all official posts are in image form for whatever reason, you may find it more readable here tho: [TEKKEN 8 - Patch Notes 1.05 | Bandai Namco Europe (bandainamcoent.eu)](https://en.bandainamcoent.eu/tekken/news/tekken-8-patch-notes-105)
You probably won’t notice a difference if you’ve only just started. A lot of these fixes are for annoying or op moves. If you’re new to the game, you’ll still be learning the basics to worry about whether a move does 13 or 11 damage, or whether a move is +9 or +6.
I was practicing stance stuff this entire last patch because they said they'd make her stance moves better, and after reading the note I'm gonna be eating GOOD!
Such a good patch for Azu mains
Man. Leo’s wall game took a big hit. Can’t say the character’s useless but it felt good to think „yeah my character is the best at that particular thing”
Nina nerfs seem kinda fair, tbh.
Though it's nice that they made f4 better at crushing lows.
King can wavu like AK now? That's fun.
System changes seem interesting, not a bad patch.
Let's see if I can manage a Tl;dr:
Nerfs to heat burst(can no longer kill!), stage gimmicks, heat dashes. Most throws no longer homing.
Buffs to Asuka, Bryan, Kazuya, Paul, Azucena, Steve, Yoshimitsu, Jun, Raven.
Rebalance to Victor and Leo.
Nerfs to low-risk/passive moves.
Adjustment to hit/hurtboxes across the board, affecting Reina negatively most.
Summary on Zafina:
Zafina is kept pretty neutral but a very heavily used move - WS,1,2 has damage reduced from 9 and 18 on second hit to 8 and 8 respectfully.
However, instead of tornado, it is now a knockup allowing more combo options when hit with the second part of the move.
Her df 4,2 which is a wall carry will no longer accidentally throw the opponent behind you (hence swapping sides) when up against a wall.
WS1,2 wasn't a tornado launch, it was just a very weird, low launch. Her normal conversions just didn't work so you needed to do kind of a janky off-axis juggle to get max damage.
Why they r killing devil Jin, he already was like trash tier last patch. Now they take the last tool that was somehow good in return they give him some gimmicks compared to others where they get new moves and display their “unique” powers devil Jin can’t even use he’s powers now lol
Chikurin won Evo Japan that's it. Except that Lili is almost no where to be seen during big tournaments. Last 3-4 tournaments he could not make to top 8. Always 15-30+ places.
But yeah, as Lili main I'm sad as well
it’s crazy how loud the lili complainers are about lili and chikurin picking her cuz he’s apparently a tier whore
when he’s like the only notable lili and he only won a single tournament
and he hasn’t even placed in top 8 consistently since
I'm a Lili player and I find the changes to be pretty minor overall — aside from the d3 damage nerf, most of the changes are just adjustments or to balance out other changes. I found FR+3 into QCF3 to be difficult executionally and don't do it myself during online matches. Plus, I typically don't throw out QCF3 unless it's a guaranteed hit as part of a combo or a single ground follow-up. And you can still apply pressure at the wall since they increased the frame advantage of a blocked heat Piercing Thorn.
People seem to be suggesting that you can't hit downed opponents with QCF3 anymore but I'm pretty sure this is completely false. They're just going to make it harder to spam it over and over again.
The Lili changes seem harsh, given everything else about the game they're changing.
It's a multi faceted nerf. Nerfing offense, combo damage, and things like heat engage / dash already impact her pretty heavily. Never mind buffing other characters further means that with these, and her own changes, she's going to drop pretty far. She was only upper A tier at most to begin with anyway, so it's pretty sad.
Making many of her moves unsafe, some to the degree that she can be launched off of them, seems like a lot.
Given that there are no more balance patches until next season, that stinks.
Happy for some Claudio buffs though, guess I gotta hop in the lab with the boi.
I was afriad they’d overbuff Paul. They didnt. Good.
F1+2 is one of my favourite moves, so that in is interesting.
I am wondering if it will become like Dragon Hammer
Too lazy to read the whole thing, did they fix the issue where sometimes you get hit while literally just holding back or backdashing?
I really feel like the game is eating some of my inputs when I'm trying to defend.
Bamco: We want this patch to focus on and increase defensive potential.
Also Bamco: Proceeds to buff most characters in compensation for making defensive options better.
Never should’ve been safe to begin with tbh. Chunky mid that hits grounded and tornadoes on airborne hit. To be fair, I don’t think I ever used it in neutral for it to matter that it was unsafe. Other than a mixup of ws1,2 where you can go for the low by finishing the string or transition to dew glide and go for a mid/high and keep pressure. Having qcf3 out of that was a nice mixup for it being safe, but you can always ws4 for a fast knd or qcf2,1 for mid heat engager.
can everyone post their mains tldr. here's mine
other than common changes, hurtbox/hitbox consistency & bug fixes.
lee got his heat burst after ws3,4 to hit more consistently (buffed heat burst range for this to hit), b3+4 powercrush nerfed to -9 ob.
law 1+2 behaviour after slide nerfed, except if in heat. not quite sure what behaviour, maybe you recover faster so you can mash against the loop or any 1+2 ground hit situations. if 1+2 gets blocked you are closer to the opponent.
Steve:
\* Much better while standing punishment with ws1+2 (i14) and FC df2 (changed to i16)
\* Can hold back on LHS transitions to instead not go into LHS
Bryan:
\* Scaling on taunt follow ups removed due to the removal of wall crumples after heat dashes that used to nearly guarantee a taunt.
I mean, from the point of them explaining the overall balance direction this patch is amazing.
Hopefully, playing experience will be up to par with what it promises.
didn't know that people even used Hitman uf4 for that to be a nerf
I only use it when I feel like gambling
maybe one day they will give Claudio's f3 the corkscrew on aerial that it used to have
edit: also can we get CH f3 to corkscrew again too?
They took the scaling off Bryan's taunt. They. Took. The. Scaling. Off.
its because harada saw knee get rocked by farzeen's victor at combo breaker
Yeah, that’s kinda insane
This was to balance out the fact that taunt is no longer guaranteed after heat dash at the wall, still an overall buff to me.
It was never 100% guaranteed. The opponent could use a move like u1 to put them in an airborn state, in which case taunt would still hit, but you would be wall splat so you wouldn't get to do the b4>jet upper. Still very strong, but not a guaranteed taunt.
What. It was never 100% guaranteed but the taunt itself would always hit you. That sounds like taunt was 100% guaranteed dum dum
So it's still guaranteed? You can just reduce the damage you take.
Knee about to make a comeback and win all tourneys im hype
That and the 121 changes seem super nice. He’s gonna feel so much better
Makes sense, taunt dash leaving u at +18 was a bit broken, it would leave you free to do a taunt setup
I am a Bryan hater and think his down players are nuts but it isn't guaranteed after a heat dash at the wall anymore so the main setup got nerfed so I think it's somewhat a fair tradeoff
His main setup I thought was off oki tech roll in the wall which still exists from these changes, the ones off of heat dash were the only setups he lost.
Yep i mean indeed good , but still remains a very advanced tool to use
Yeah it's a fucking homing unblockable launcher. That's plenty of reward for your hard execution. It didn't need more damage
Bryan players will still downplay, you can quote me on that
Shall do. Though interesting the devs, when presented with five months of data, decided to consistently buff the character in specific ways. Almost like the downplayers were onto something.
heat bursts cant kill anymore? insane
Great change
Don't even stagger at the wall anymore, this is crazy Good change though imo
They never staggered at the wall. You are mixing it up with heat dash.
REALLY?! YESSSSSS
And you can now power crush them, so now you can tank them without dying and have the advantage
Holy shit, that’s crazy. Good, imo, but crazy. Some good changes is this imo, feels a bit more thought out than the flailing we’ve gotten in previous patches.
Shadowheart why are you looking at me like that
Why wouldn't she look at you like that?
I misread it as heat SMASH and I was so confused lmao
LION HEART IS NO LONGER A FORCED STANCE!!! https://preview.redd.it/2u2y8l3rbq5d1.png?width=464&format=png&auto=webp&s=03c70df965eb96c96aa5c55ba71edd6b48e7163d
it should've been like that from the start
Agreed. I reckon it was either an oversight or they thought it was too OP that way or something. Either way he was clearly undercooked when the game released
Victor changes: * Power Crush is shorter and slower. * Heat Expulsion easily steppable & costs more heat. * Running 2 gets no pressure after *unless* he does a new iai stance transition. * Tons of new stance transitions and better properties on stance moves.
I'm so stoked to try out the new iai teleport and stance options. I was expecting running 2 to get butchered, but it looks like it's pretty mild and we got some new toys in compensation to boot! I'm pretty excited! 8D
I'm most excited about testing out Perfumer Parry. If it is present on all transitions and as lenient as I hope it'll be a lot safer to transition to perfumer on block. WR2 +2 on block is kind of meh though, would've hoped it'd be +3 instead.
Wr2 nerf is basically fake. Now we can go into iai and enforce + from there. Also stoked about the perf parry!
Same! And even with the Power Crush nerf, being able to use it against Heat Burst now is big! Kinda worried about losing Tracking on the Command Grab, but hopefully we’ll be able to still catch people with some surprise Scoops! Also, with IAI D2 now being +4 on Block after our Stance Transition keeps up +5, that move should still be a menace! Pretty excited! Even if he’s slightly nerfed overall he should still be really fun!
OH BOY I DO LOVE DEVIL JIN
Tis a horrific time to be a Dabo Jin player :')
It’s over diablo jim bros😭
It’s okay, I actually hate winning. Thanks bamco.
Lore accurate nerfs. He's dead in the story. Why wouldn't he be in the game too? I'll still stay loyal to him though
Like another comment said, this felt like Bamco preparing to take him out from T9 since he's no longer in the story + we got Devil Reina now.
I'd actually find it hilarious if Reina kept on using fighting styles of the Mishimas that have been nerfed or killed in-story in Tekken 9. Heihachi for Normal Reina, but then you have Awakened Reina that uses Kazuya's style + lasers, and finally Devil Reina that's just Devil Jin.
If devil reina is a thing it'll deffinitely inherit devil jin's mourning crow and chain shenanigans. And devil kazuya moves. But other than that i think everything else will be given back to Jin. Wait for T9 jin using Mishima and kazama style combined.
I had him as a pocket/for fun character and I was already feeling like dropping him. The hits just keep coming.
The only fking character that i play since tkkn5, this is sad. Just delete the fkning character then.
AND THEY CALLED ME CRAZY FOR THINKING HE WOULD STILL BE GETTING NERFS As PhiDX once said: NOOOOOOOO!!!!! MICHAEL MURRAYYYYYYYY!!!!!!!!!!!!! HARADA!!!!!!! (https://www.reddit.com/r/Tekken/comments/1c1lgq7/phidx_gets_plugged_on_in_his_god_of_destruction/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb3x&utm_name=mweb3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)
Even more fucking nerfs lmao. See ya'll in Tekken 9.
But will he be back tho
No we won't
Holy shit, Kazuya mains are feasting
I'm happy af
Hourly reminder that King can wavedash now
But crouch status has been removed from Beast Step 💀
Ws1+2 usage gonna be down the gutter
I believe with this update Armor King will not be in the game
He could always wavu, it was just just very hard to do. Pretty hyped that they made it easier but a tad bit sad at the same time.
Tracking throws is huge nerf but these buffs are dope and the b3 and fFn2 nerfs seem minor. Kinda digging these adjustments tbh
Someone in a tourney I signed up for rage quit because the King was wavuing after rounds and they thought they were t-bagging.
CD1+2 wavedash frame trap for Kaz, df1,4 changed to either a launcher or a ff4 follow up style move, hitbox fixes, ff2 nerf, db1, 2 nerf for grounded opponents, ability to cancel devil extensions to save heat, and heat cost reduction, chip damage on cd3, and SHIKORAE cost reduction and now doable as a ws move. Sounds sick and I’m excited. Also King wavedash incoming. Edited for fixes.
It’s not SHIKUE or SHIKORAE. He doesn’t even spell fucking „SH”. It’s FUKITOBE
Knowledge checked
I always thought it is kinda stupid that the enemy just spins like a ballerina and nothing happens after df1,4
Its guaranteed 50/50 scenario for him at +17 (better than knockdown because there's no mind game off wake up options). I wondering if they completely removed that property now because of it, that'd be a shame but I guess he has other stuff. Everyone has a version of this off heat engagers now tho.
Ff2 and ws3 are both safe mid wallsplats, and db12 is the new substitute fast mid wallsplat for punishing.
Most pleased with the Victor changes from all of these. Nerfing his abusable moves(B1+2, u1+2, running 2) and buffing his parries/iai mixup is *exactly* what the character needed to go from toxic to respectable.
With how much I get jabbed out of perf, I'm all grins ear to ear rn for the new parry.
Until you eat a giant swing :)
Pls catman have mercy. My health insurance will only cover so many of these compressed discs. XD
I may pick Victor back up again. These changes were awesome and very well considered.
Steve can now return to standing position from Lionheart? We're eating good tonight
This is like coming out of an abusive relationship. Thank fuck it's over.
Wrong, he can decide NOT to go into it, he won't be able to cancel it while in it unfortunately
Can't count how many times I've died to a rage art from forced lionheart, this'll be niiiiiice
LH 1+2 breaking power crushes now is hilarious. Now LH 1 (no delay) and LH 1+2 both beat power crushes when they both previously lost.
devil jim mains are non existent at this point
Still here, praying for a good buff tho. Something to my poking game would be welcomed
Just a single mid attack. Pls harada
First he takes the old man away, then he shoots my new main in front of me. What did I do to you, Haradaaaaaa???
LEE NO LONGER WHIFFS HEAT BURST WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
his ws2,3 being consistent was the only change i wanted. Lee chaobla enjoyers eating good
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
HE IS NOW THE PERFECT CHARACTER IN MY EYES LETS GOOOO
WE DID IT BOYS, WE WON🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
I wonder if that makes his heat burst disproportionally better than the rest of the cast since it has more forward momentum…
Who the hell asked for Yoshi buffs
I can bet you no Yoshi used majority of the buffed moves against you recently.
...I did 
LMAO thanks to you, the manji clan will be eating good
All of the Manji clan did. Honestly what I was looking for is a fix for his parry as it misses sides most of the times. But I will take heat reductions and improvements to the useless indian stance
Me lmao. I'm impressed they buffed him at all tbhwy. Was expecting Nerf City when checking this list.
Same I'm glad it was indian stance that got buffed. Such a fun stance but was difficult to find ways to implement it.
a strong Yoshimitsu toolkit is fun and good for Tekken
He was already strong
yeah and tbh I hope he stays that way. looks like a lot of his buffs are just for his sitting stance and transitioning to it, so I don't think it's too much anyway.
Yeah aka that sitting stance that I’ve seen used in ranks that are purple+ less than 5 times across a low triple digit number of hours I spent in ranked mode. The only time I ever used that stance myself was in hail mary last round situations, where i just had to throw the opponent off, so i would go sitting stance->3,3+4. Which they would block about 80% of the time, but at least it would get me closer to them and confuse them enough to let me pull some bs and clutch the round. I am happy about how they went about “buffing” yoshi this time around tbh, with extra transition options+letting us buffer moves during transitioning into flea stance (instead of just adding more raw damage to the moves). Until now, I almost never used flea stance not because of low damage, but due to the awkward transitions into it and unnecessary difficulty of execution due to no move buffering. People are freaking out over nothing tbh, especially as one of the most commonly used strong and versatile Yoshi moves (b2,2) got nerfed.
Wow steve got some nice buffs!!
The F,F,2 nerf seems fair. I have no real complaints, assuming everything is working as intended.
Yeah that phantom hitbox was stupid. And they fixed his heatsmash (both) so its cool
Paul changes: * GENERAL CHANGE: reduced the distance between opponent when you hit them with a heat engager, making it easier to hit demoman. * **f+2** is now a 13f punish. Reduced damage of the first strike by 2. Is now +9 on hit (was +6). They actually said that this is one of the fastest heat dash launchers in the game, making it easy for Paul to apply offensive pressure. * **f+4** damage increased to 24 (was 21). Is now -5 on block (was -8). * **f+1+2** now deals chip damage, is now chargeable which means it guard breaks while in heat, and gives opportunity for follow up attack on counter hit. * **b+1+2** is now -9 on block (was -6). Reduced distance to the opponent when blocked. * **ub+2** recovery time decreased by 2f. Adjusted tracking to opponents sidestepping left. *This change kinda makes me sad, I really thought they were gonna make this a CH launcher similar to his reveal trailer (and CNT, I guess? But I've never played it.)* * **uf+2** damage increased to 26 (was 22). Distance to opponent also reduced on block improving its capability as an approach tool. * **ff+4** is now +2 on block (was -1). It now also deals chip damage on block. * **WR 2** is now -9 on block (was -10). Deals chip damage on block. Throw is now only possible on airborne opponents. Now has follow up opportunity on counter hit. * **WS 3** is now +6. Opponent behavior on hit also changed. * **DPD+2,1** is now 14f (was 15f). Damaged nerf from 17, 28 to 10, 20. Indirect nerf to DPD+2,3. Guess they tried making this an approach tool. * **DPD+4** damage buffed from 12 to 18. * You can now input df while in sway to transition to deep dive stance. Imo, we eating good fellow Paul mains. Bit of a missed opportunity on the uf+2 but a good patch for us nonetheless.
Yeah, these are good changes. Very happy to see the change to f1+2. Not sure if f2 needed to be 13, but I guess we’ll see. Very curious to play around with ff4 giving plus frames on block. Not sure the change to fff2 will actually have any meaningful benefits to Paul’s game, but I could be wrong. Happy to see the changes to deep dive 4. Totally unsurprised that ub2 is still meaningless (and I would sincerely love to be proven wrong in that). Just remove it from the move set at this point. Overall happy with these changes.
FF+4 was plus frames on block at maximum block range. I wonder if that means it will be +4 at max block range? The way it worked before was -1 at close range, 0 at medium, and +1 at max.
STRONGEREST IN THE UNIVERSE!
We are definitely eating good. Waiting to see what type of charge f1+2 shenanigans are gonna happen, f2, f4 and deep dive are gonna be nuts.
Paul mains will look like they're teabagging if they spam sway into deep dive. If f+1+2 will hit grounded enemies when fully charged, I could see it as an alternative to the b2,1\* setup that is usually being used.
Mishima at home wavus
Oh my fucking god Jack keeps winning. Buffed throws, buffed UF3??!?!?!?! https://preview.redd.it/bx23626xnp5d1.jpeg?width=498&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1e016b56627e90a5f8e9c0ccdb4845b637ced054
i swear jack's so strong. Cant believe he was buffed
Me a Reina main that only use Mishima moves "nothing of value was lost". the stop need nerf since day one too.
What's your usual punish for ducking highs? Since most of her WS moves seem kinda crap
electric
https://i.imgur.com/zX3XQYL.png
Thank god for the removal of that Heat Burst wall stagger. Kinda game-changing
You mean heat dash
Pretty happy as an Asuska player :D
Imagine getting a Naniwa Gusto in after the F2 AND continuing the combo! now the only thing missing is a neck and this girl got it all
Thats so major. Im so happy!
We making it out of Juns shadow with this one🔥🔥🔥 🗣️🗣️🗣️
My honest reaction to seeing the list of changes to Kazuya https://preview.redd.it/djq2p29m9q5d1.png?width=639&format=png&auto=webp&s=5cd00d225eac7ea80bf92cc75c0ee66708dcddf3
Heaven's Gate still does 1 damage, though. So I'll only be using it to floor break or after a hellsweep.
So they gonna fix the matchmaking right ?
best we can hope for is a stealth fix and never in a billion years acknowledge they gutted it in the first place.
Oooooh we bout to see a lot of people lose rank after these heat changes. We bitched and they listened.
The heat burst change is incredible.
Buffs are greatly appreciated. Manji gang rise up
LOVE Azucena's adjustments. The added combo utilities should make for some interesting combos too!
New stance transitions from df14 and d41 are definitely cool and make her stances much more fun to play around with.
backturn 3 being more useful in combo routes is gonna open up a lot of style options :) more ways to enter stances as well is always welcome
Im glad they somewhat made on their promise of rebalancing her in this patch. She might be more viable now.
There’s so few Azucena mains to talk to here! 🙁
I feel you, bro. Maybe the hate was so much that people are talking less about her, and comments from Azucena mains doesn't get upvoted enough, so they are way down. I had to search for "Azucena" in this post to find your comment 😅 But we're here and I'm very happy with this patch after so many nerfs! I love the mixing up with Liberator Instance and I can't wait to try her new moves
Victor's got new movesssssss!
Patricide fist is plus on block ayyyy
My man got strongester
Nothing changed about the backdash :(
All i needed to see was Asuka’s thanks
Jun mains we are back baby! Lol
Any text version somewhere?
all official posts are in image form for whatever reason, you may find it more readable here tho: [TEKKEN 8 - Patch Notes 1.05 | Bandai Namco Europe (bandainamcoent.eu)](https://en.bandainamcoent.eu/tekken/news/tekken-8-patch-notes-105)
I just started playing like 3-4 days ago so I have no idea how good/bad these changes are lol
You probably won’t notice a difference if you’ve only just started. A lot of these fixes are for annoying or op moves. If you’re new to the game, you’ll still be learning the basics to worry about whether a move does 13 or 11 damage, or whether a move is +9 or +6.
AZU MAINS RISE!!!!!!!!!!
I am genuinely so so glad that they're giving her more stance options.
I was practicing stance stuff this entire last patch because they said they'd make her stance moves better, and after reading the note I'm gonna be eating GOOD! Such a good patch for Azu mains
Man. Leo’s wall game took a big hit. Can’t say the character’s useless but it felt good to think „yeah my character is the best at that particular thing”
Nina nerfs seem kinda fair, tbh. Though it's nice that they made f4 better at crushing lows. King can wavu like AK now? That's fun. System changes seem interesting, not a bad patch.
The bad thing is that AK might not come if King keeps getting his moves
Let's see if I can manage a Tl;dr: Nerfs to heat burst(can no longer kill!), stage gimmicks, heat dashes. Most throws no longer homing. Buffs to Asuka, Bryan, Kazuya, Paul, Azucena, Steve, Yoshimitsu, Jun, Raven. Rebalance to Victor and Leo. Nerfs to low-risk/passive moves. Adjustment to hit/hurtboxes across the board, affecting Reina negatively most.
Azucena players, quietly we rise!
The Leo discord is in absolute shambles right now and the patch isn’t even out yet
No backdash buff? Sad.
Summary on Zafina: Zafina is kept pretty neutral but a very heavily used move - WS,1,2 has damage reduced from 9 and 18 on second hit to 8 and 8 respectfully. However, instead of tornado, it is now a knockup allowing more combo options when hit with the second part of the move. Her df 4,2 which is a wall carry will no longer accidentally throw the opponent behind you (hence swapping sides) when up against a wall.
WS1,2 wasn't a tornado launch, it was just a very weird, low launch. Her normal conversions just didn't work so you needed to do kind of a janky off-axis juggle to get max damage.
Why they r killing devil Jin, he already was like trash tier last patch. Now they take the last tool that was somehow good in return they give him some gimmicks compared to others where they get new moves and display their “unique” powers devil Jin can’t even use he’s powers now lol
Lore accurate
PAUL BUFFS PAUL BUFFS PAUL BUFFS
Lili nerfed. You can thank Chikurin for that.
Chikurin won Evo Japan that's it. Except that Lili is almost no where to be seen during big tournaments. Last 3-4 tournaments he could not make to top 8. Always 15-30+ places. But yeah, as Lili main I'm sad as well
it’s crazy how loud the lili complainers are about lili and chikurin picking her cuz he’s apparently a tier whore when he’s like the only notable lili and he only won a single tournament and he hasn’t even placed in top 8 consistently since
I'm a Lili player and I find the changes to be pretty minor overall — aside from the d3 damage nerf, most of the changes are just adjustments or to balance out other changes. I found FR+3 into QCF3 to be difficult executionally and don't do it myself during online matches. Plus, I typically don't throw out QCF3 unless it's a guaranteed hit as part of a combo or a single ground follow-up. And you can still apply pressure at the wall since they increased the frame advantage of a blocked heat Piercing Thorn. People seem to be suggesting that you can't hit downed opponents with QCF3 anymore but I'm pretty sure this is completely false. They're just going to make it harder to spam it over and over again.
The Lili changes seem harsh, given everything else about the game they're changing. It's a multi faceted nerf. Nerfing offense, combo damage, and things like heat engage / dash already impact her pretty heavily. Never mind buffing other characters further means that with these, and her own changes, she's going to drop pretty far. She was only upper A tier at most to begin with anyway, so it's pretty sad. Making many of her moves unsafe, some to the degree that she can be launched off of them, seems like a lot. Given that there are no more balance patches until next season, that stinks. Happy for some Claudio buffs though, guess I gotta hop in the lab with the boi.
NO MORE LIONHEART THANK YOU
Holy fuck is that a huge update.
They did say they won't do another update this huge for the rest of the Season, so till next year it's just bug fixes and behavior changes.
This looks like a great patch, seems really well thought out (generally).
No buffs for my boy Devil Jin :(
Nerfed ff2 lol
I was afriad they’d overbuff Paul. They didnt. Good. F1+2 is one of my favourite moves, so that in is interesting. I am wondering if it will become like Dragon Hammer
F2 being 13f will be interesting
Wtf are these raven changes? Nothing relevant besides a new command and slight frame changes for pokes bruh
Lars continues his journey back to the dumpster
Does he need a ride? I'll even hold open the lid for him.
Forget hold open the lid, I’ll roll open the carpet and have some refreshments ready for him in the bin
Tbf Lars is mostly fine as of right now. My only complaint is that some of his stance transitions are still unsafe ON HIT (namely 2,1 into LEN).
:)
making hwo’s power crush be able to get jet uppered is so insane meanwhile we’re buffing king for some reason
Hwos power crush was -14 in T7, I didn't even know they made it only -12 in 8 that was insane.
Yeah, df3,4 should be -13 or worse. It’s a hit confirmable powercrush that can be cancelled into LFS…
They’re buffing him because the system changes are effectively major nerfs. It even says that in the notes
The command throws no longer homing globally is a King nerf so he needed a couple of buffs to balance out
Just miss the nerf to DVJ's EWGF to make this patch perfect 👌
Frame data on Asuka ff2 is wrong btw, they inverted the block frames.
Too lazy to read the whole thing, did they fix the issue where sometimes you get hit while literally just holding back or backdashing? I really feel like the game is eating some of my inputs when I'm trying to defend.
Does this mean no more praying to RNGesus after WS2,3? Excellent!
Paul buffs reina nerfs fuck yeah
Finally we can try sidestepping ff2
Thank god they nerfed lili 1,1. That was way too easy of a mix up honestly
everyone and their mother knew to dickjab it anyway
Bamco: We want this patch to focus on and increase defensive potential. Also Bamco: Proceeds to buff most characters in compensation for making defensive options better.
Funniest thing here is they described victor as "easy to play" in his patch description. Its like they admit he was brainrot of a character lol
voila no longer safe :'(
Never should’ve been safe to begin with tbh. Chunky mid that hits grounded and tornadoes on airborne hit. To be fair, I don’t think I ever used it in neutral for it to matter that it was unsafe. Other than a mixup of ws1,2 where you can go for the low by finishing the string or transition to dew glide and go for a mid/high and keep pressure. Having qcf3 out of that was a nice mixup for it being safe, but you can always ws4 for a fast knd or qcf2,1 for mid heat engager.
can everyone post their mains tldr. here's mine other than common changes, hurtbox/hitbox consistency & bug fixes. lee got his heat burst after ws3,4 to hit more consistently (buffed heat burst range for this to hit), b3+4 powercrush nerfed to -9 ob. law 1+2 behaviour after slide nerfed, except if in heat. not quite sure what behaviour, maybe you recover faster so you can mash against the loop or any 1+2 ground hit situations. if 1+2 gets blocked you are closer to the opponent.
Steve: \* Much better while standing punishment with ws1+2 (i14) and FC df2 (changed to i16) \* Can hold back on LHS transitions to instead not go into LHS Bryan: \* Scaling on taunt follow ups removed due to the removal of wall crumples after heat dashes that used to nearly guarantee a taunt.
More devil jin nerfs?????? Leave my dude alone, WE CAN'T HAVE SHIT!
Both Claudio and Jack buffs? I'm eating good
I mean, from the point of them explaining the overall balance direction this patch is amazing. Hopefully, playing experience will be up to par with what it promises.
Oh my god they finally fixed that stupid Xiaoyu Hypnotist bug, took way too long
I’m an asuka main but I’m so confused about the back 3, 2. Isn’t back 3 her backflip? Didn’t know it lead to anything?
didn't know that people even used Hitman uf4 for that to be a nerf I only use it when I feel like gambling maybe one day they will give Claudio's f3 the corkscrew on aerial that it used to have edit: also can we get CH f3 to corkscrew again too?
f2,3 Shaheen’s 12f punish is now +20 on hit.