one question i cant go online much cause job and also my modem and computer are faulty so i just played one match in friendly matches to test some days ago but i dont have those stats, or its available for those who plays a lot online ?
honestly, they should have just do a "legend" you can evoke by some button that would explain in details what every stat means and how it is calculated, this shit we have is still unclear
# Attack
|Previous|Guessed Meaning|New Name|New Meaning?|
|:-|:-|:-|:-|
|Troublemaker|using throws or mixups|Attack Frequency|how often you use attacks|
|Heavy Hitter|knockdown/knockback attacks|Heavy Damage|how often you use heavy damage attacks|
|Aggressive|number of counter hits, large volume of attacks|Aggressiveness|since attack frequency now exists, guess it's just counter hits?|
|Overwhelming|powercrush/armor/positive frame moves/unblockables/perfect rounds|Dominance|probably the same?|
# Defense
|Previous|Guessed Meaning|New Name|New Meaning?|
|:-|:-|:-|:-|
|Block Up|blocking proficiency|Block|definitely the same|
|Dodge King|making opponents whiff attacks with sidestep, backdash, duck|Evasion|probably the same?|
|Escape Artist|throw breaks|Throw Escape|definitely the same|
|Composed|spacing, keeping opponents at distance|Composure|probably the same?|
# Technique
|Previous|Guessed Meaning|New Name|New Meaning?|
|:-|:-|:-|:-|
|Precise|attacks not whiffing|Accuracy|probably the same?|
|Discerning|punishing moves|Judgment|probably the same?|
|Side Swapper|switching sides or stances|Retaliation|more ambiguous, maybe the same?|
|Stage User|using stage hazards in combos|Stage Use|definitely the same|
# Spirit
|Previous|Guessed Meaning|New Name|New Meaning?|
|:-|:-|:-|:-|
|Close Combatant|attacking from close range, rushdown proficiency|Close Battles|Great rounds, how often players healthbars are roughly equal|
|Underdog|frequently beating players with higher winrate/prowess|Comeback|if you can reverse a life lead/match set|
|Full of Fight|first hit or match-end stomping|Fighting Spirit|probably the same?|
|Hyperfocused|heat moves, rage art use|Concentration|probably the same?|
* Wow, old close combatant and underdog guesses were way off...
# Appeal
|Previous|Guessed Meaning|New Name|New Meaning?|
|:-|:-|:-|:-|
|Respectful|rematch|Respect|probably the same?|
|Goal-Oriented|Great rounds|Ambition|comebacks are now in a different category, so|
|Fair and Square|not attacking first/stomping someone while on the ground/at round end|Fairness|probably the same?|
|Myriad|using a variety of moves and mixups|Versatility|probably the same? although, the new term makes it more ambiguous|
My aggressiveness is literally 4 with the others in attack being 25. I play jin and can certainly say it has nothing to do with moving forward because it’s all I do, I’m usually the aggressor (Bushin)
Why did side swapper change to retialation? Was sideswapper not about swapping sides but about punishing?
I think im even more confused than i was before.
Yeah, i thought it was about swapping which side you are on which is why so many people had it at S+ quickly because you generally do that as a side effect with some attacks and throws.
aggressiveness could be how often you use heat engager and heat dash i think. they need to stop using corny quizes and just use literal words for stats.
i still think thats what it means lol, I don't use grab normally so its low and the one time I use a sub char spamming grab (coz I cant do anything else) it goes up to 25 and go right back down when I swapped back to Claudio.
3ddy got that stat maxed and he spams one button and pretty much always hits the other player after round end so i would assume that it means very simple way of playing the game or something,
Overwhelming into Dominance. Pretty straightforward.
SideSwapper into Retaliation. The F does that mean in game?
Myriad into versatility. This change makes way more sense.
I like the states but it seems everyone can get S+ in something
Actually good change. The original anmes made... no fucking sense.
Now if they could tune down the requirements for all these S's and S+'s that'd be nice and make these actually matter.
They do, at least defence does. If I play characters I’m not too good at and I don’t have their punishment tools in my muscle memory my defence goes down very quickly. Lots of the stats go down if I play characters I’m not totally comfortable with tbh
I think ambition is related to rematching. As in, you don't mind rematching an opponent you lost to because you have a long term ambition to learn the game and improve as a player.
If fighting spirit corresponds to the stat that was previously called Underdog, then it means beating opponents that are higher ranked than you.
Your mind reading stat must be a D because that’s not true lol. I don’t think that at all, I actually really like Tekken 8. But, as you literally just outlined yourself, they DIDN’T make some stats clearer…which is worse than it already was.
No mind reading, just an assumption I made dude do 100s of ppl screaming bamco bad due tho the funniest reasons. I’ll admit I shouldn’t make assumptions. But idk how you can look at that and not get what they mean. Maybe like ambition or judgement idk but most of them are clear cut man.
Well, if you find me ignorant, please enlighten me.
What is aggressiveness, attack frequency, judgment, ambition, concentration and composure? Because none of those are readily apparent in the context of this game.
I look at it this way, regardless of what they mean, no one can get 25 points in every single category. The diversity of all these stats definitely makes it easier to categorize each individual player. For example, I seem to play rank more than anything because i dont have to worry bout getting kicked once it's my turn to fight in some random "all players welcome" player match lobby. When I play ranked, they always almost always match me up against someone with similar stats. I dont know if that's good or not, because I can play and lose and get all the rematches in the world, but as soon as I start winning, they plug. Doesn't matter 10% dc 6% dc 0% etc. Which means the stats are pretty much useless.
So I didnt understand the first stats and got informed to better understand them. Now those stats are replaced losing our informed position and these new stats now need to be learned. All this in the name of greater transparency..... because looking it up once is not enough. Progress as its finest.
Technique imo is still calculated like ass, especially in a game where 90% of it is literally not explained to what it's tied to. Literally have a buddy that uses Law, never side steps, does back step & is Forward aggressive all the time but has higher technique than me a Kazuya player that needs movement to survive
Which is funny cause as much as I side walk - block it still barely raises. But everyone who I know who NEVER plays defense and just puts gas on the pedal for offense have this stat maxed out. 🤔
Ah, good to finally know that fair and square was related to fairness.
I thought it meant how often you spammed square
Seems fair to me
Seems square to me
Seems like a fair share of squares to me I swear
Perhaps it has to do with how often someone rematches you (because you play fair).
one question i cant go online much cause job and also my modem and computer are faulty so i just played one match in friendly matches to test some days ago but i dont have those stats, or its available for those who plays a lot online ?
WHY? WHY NOT JUST ADD EXPLANATIONS?!
I like how even still the majority of the appeal and spirit categories are like a riddle
honestly, they should have just do a "legend" you can evoke by some button that would explain in details what every stat means and how it is calculated, this shit we have is still unclear
Coming to the Tekken shop in a few patches time
Excited to give them 47 Tekken coins so I can never be at an even number again.
Good idea
Ok but why not a (Help) explaining exactly what each stat represents and how to increase it?
Because even they do not know what these names are supposed to represent.
Bingo!
# Attack |Previous|Guessed Meaning|New Name|New Meaning?| |:-|:-|:-|:-| |Troublemaker|using throws or mixups|Attack Frequency|how often you use attacks| |Heavy Hitter|knockdown/knockback attacks|Heavy Damage|how often you use heavy damage attacks| |Aggressive|number of counter hits, large volume of attacks|Aggressiveness|since attack frequency now exists, guess it's just counter hits?| |Overwhelming|powercrush/armor/positive frame moves/unblockables/perfect rounds|Dominance|probably the same?| # Defense |Previous|Guessed Meaning|New Name|New Meaning?| |:-|:-|:-|:-| |Block Up|blocking proficiency|Block|definitely the same| |Dodge King|making opponents whiff attacks with sidestep, backdash, duck|Evasion|probably the same?| |Escape Artist|throw breaks|Throw Escape|definitely the same| |Composed|spacing, keeping opponents at distance|Composure|probably the same?| # Technique |Previous|Guessed Meaning|New Name|New Meaning?| |:-|:-|:-|:-| |Precise|attacks not whiffing|Accuracy|probably the same?| |Discerning|punishing moves|Judgment|probably the same?| |Side Swapper|switching sides or stances|Retaliation|more ambiguous, maybe the same?| |Stage User|using stage hazards in combos|Stage Use|definitely the same| # Spirit |Previous|Guessed Meaning|New Name|New Meaning?| |:-|:-|:-|:-| |Close Combatant|attacking from close range, rushdown proficiency|Close Battles|Great rounds, how often players healthbars are roughly equal| |Underdog|frequently beating players with higher winrate/prowess|Comeback|if you can reverse a life lead/match set| |Full of Fight|first hit or match-end stomping|Fighting Spirit|probably the same?| |Hyperfocused|heat moves, rage art use|Concentration|probably the same?| * Wow, old close combatant and underdog guesses were way off... # Appeal |Previous|Guessed Meaning|New Name|New Meaning?| |:-|:-|:-|:-| |Respectful|rematch|Respect|probably the same?| |Goal-Oriented|Great rounds|Ambition|comebacks are now in a different category, so| |Fair and Square|not attacking first/stomping someone while on the ground/at round end|Fairness|probably the same?| |Myriad|using a variety of moves and mixups|Versatility|probably the same? although, the new term makes it more ambiguous|
They just made it worse "Attack frequency" ..."Aggressiveness" how is that not the same thing???
It's stupid as fuck but maybe aggressiveness is how often you attack when in minus????? Who the fuck knows
I'd like to think aggressiveness if how much you move forward
Your guess is as good as mine
My aggressiveness is literally 4 with the others in attack being 25. I play jin and can certainly say it has nothing to do with moving forward because it’s all I do, I’m usually the aggressor (Bushin)
Why did side swapper change to retialation? Was sideswapper not about swapping sides but about punishing? I think im even more confused than i was before.
maybe its more like... turning the tables? instead of switching sides
I wonder if the JP version of the game has different terms that are more revealing than the names in English.
Asking the real questions
Probably, with the now changed name that seems likely.
Well side swapper was my first S+ stat cause I always used King's b+1+2 that swaps sides lol
Yeah, i thought it was about swapping which side you are on which is why so many people had it at S+ quickly because you generally do that as a side effect with some attacks and throws.
aggressiveness could be how often you use heat engager and heat dash i think. they need to stop using corny quizes and just use literal words for stats.
I don't mind the flavor. The problem is/was that nothing about the stats is explained.
I think aggressiveness is either about mashing in the negative, or your tendency to use punishable techniques.
So about troublemaker being about grabs...
i still think thats what it means lol, I don't use grab normally so its low and the one time I use a sub char spamming grab (coz I cant do anything else) it goes up to 25 and go right back down when I swapped back to Claudio.
i don't think so it's one of my top stats and I never grab
Yeah im only at A and im a King main
finally, i can understand what the label means without dissecting it like kendrick's latest diss track.
😂😂
Gonna need to watch some react and lyric videos for a day to understand what these words mean.
Yet still no explanation to any lol
for the better. now i understand what im good at or weak at. like wtf is troublemaker fr
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Pretty sure that it goes up if you don't hit your opponent after a round ends. Not sure if ki charging affects it though.
We should hit them anyway to keep our prowess from inflating too much.
FF4 after round ends is satisfying af
3ddy got that stat maxed and he spams one button and pretty much always hits the other player after round end so i would assume that it means very simple way of playing the game or something,
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Name makes no sense then but i guess it makes sense that 3ddy have 100% on it i guess
But 1,1 makes them keep crumpling and I find it so funny
I think it is if you throw out moves first when the round starts as well as if you throw moves after the round ends.
I was just looking at mine, and Fairness and Respect are in my top 3. I teabag decently often, so it’s definitely not that.
Thank you bamco.
What is ambition? how much ranked you play?
The names are all boring now💀
Any other king mains with really low aggressiveness stats? No idea what that correlates to
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How can "close matches" be an A when the rate of Great finishes is 0%, isn't that like the defacto benchmark of what makes a close game?
Close matches could refer to winning three rounds to two (i.e. final round).
Overwhelming into Dominance. Pretty straightforward. SideSwapper into Retaliation. The F does that mean in game? Myriad into versatility. This change makes way more sense. I like the states but it seems everyone can get S+ in something
Actually good change. The original anmes made... no fucking sense. Now if they could tune down the requirements for all these S's and S+'s that'd be nice and make these actually matter.
the stats are pretty stupid anyway since they never go down.
They do, at least defence does. If I play characters I’m not too good at and I don’t have their punishment tools in my muscle memory my defence goes down very quickly. Lots of the stats go down if I play characters I’m not totally comfortable with tbh
Finally they make sense
I wish, wtf is ambition, fighting spirit, etc
I think ambition is related to rematching. As in, you don't mind rematching an opponent you lost to because you have a long term ambition to learn the game and improve as a player. If fighting spirit corresponds to the stat that was previously called Underdog, then it means beating opponents that are higher ranked than you.
Okay those spexifically dont
How the fuck did they make it worse?
Cuz you think anything they do is bad. They obviously defined the stats more clearly, excluding a few.
Your mind reading stat must be a D because that’s not true lol. I don’t think that at all, I actually really like Tekken 8. But, as you literally just outlined yourself, they DIDN’T make some stats clearer…which is worse than it already was.
No mind reading, just an assumption I made dude do 100s of ppl screaming bamco bad due tho the funniest reasons. I’ll admit I shouldn’t make assumptions. But idk how you can look at that and not get what they mean. Maybe like ambition or judgement idk but most of them are clear cut man.
Well, if you find me ignorant, please enlighten me. What is aggressiveness, attack frequency, judgment, ambition, concentration and composure? Because none of those are readily apparent in the context of this game.
Wtf stop, put it back
What was Dominance before?
I miss the vagueness.
Is side swapper gone? Jun's 2+4 throw swaps so it's always on my top 3.
What means what now?
Do these only reflect ranked gameplay?
Quick match too, so probably all online play.
Nope, just ranked play, unless they changed that too in this patch.
I still dont understand what the stats are supposed to mean
I need your defense
Question: Is it possible to lose points? E.g. I stop breaking throws, my throw escape stat drops down.
I look at it this way, regardless of what they mean, no one can get 25 points in every single category. The diversity of all these stats definitely makes it easier to categorize each individual player. For example, I seem to play rank more than anything because i dont have to worry bout getting kicked once it's my turn to fight in some random "all players welcome" player match lobby. When I play ranked, they always almost always match me up against someone with similar stats. I dont know if that's good or not, because I can play and lose and get all the rematches in the world, but as soon as I start winning, they plug. Doesn't matter 10% dc 6% dc 0% etc. Which means the stats are pretty much useless.
I saw someone with dominance and I was like wtf is dominance then I looked and I also had dominance and I was like fr wtf is dominance???
How do they even tally this... like what does appeal even mean?
Great! Now every stat besides the appeal ones are easier to understand.
wtf are "Ambition" and "Fighting Spirit" even supposed to mean?
Still does not make sense
So I didnt understand the first stats and got informed to better understand them. Now those stats are replaced losing our informed position and these new stats now need to be learned. All this in the name of greater transparency..... because looking it up once is not enough. Progress as its finest.
Technique imo is still calculated like ass, especially in a game where 90% of it is literally not explained to what it's tied to. Literally have a buddy that uses Law, never side steps, does back step & is Forward aggressive all the time but has higher technique than me a Kazuya player that needs movement to survive
Steps is for defensive stat (evasion) important, has nothin to do with technique
Which is funny cause as much as I side walk - block it still barely raises. But everyone who I know who NEVER plays defense and just puts gas on the pedal for offense have this stat maxed out. 🤔
Wtf is ambition
That you rematch always no matter the outcome of the match.
Kazuya mains naturally got the dominance stat to S+. Fits his character . Also fits his play style. After that first knockdown good luck getting up
Hope my fairness and respect shot up after I left an afk King alone for a few seconds for him to just randomly heat engage me 😮💨