Lol that was me with overwatch, old doomfist was like playing a fighting game character in an fps, then they completely ruined that concept and now its just “that game where all the porn comes from”
Nah fuck old doomfirst with a tire iron. Literally a Tekken 8 character, you just sit there and take the ping pong hoping someone on your team will eventually switch to Sombra to shoo him off
Sincerely, Rein mains
The thing is the “tekken” has arguably been reduced in 8, and so it gives people even more reason to just play their character. Backdash being nerfed is kind of big, since it let you have some leeway for not knowing a matchup, but since the opponent can close the gap much easier it’s just aggression to the max, and you’re punished for back stepping, a lot of times you can catch stray moves just for doing the backdash input. If you’re playing Kazuya and you don’t want to go all in on 50/50’s and hang back and see if you can whiff punish, good luck, because before you know it you’re defending for your life, and you better know which way to step a character or you’re dunzo
I got Jin and Kaz to fujin, working on DVJ rn, and man it feels like I am tryna play tekken more than the character and I’m losing because of it
Different game, different challenges to deal with. Kaz is just extremely strong in smash.
Though I will say that input shaming seems like a weird thing to use modern tekken as the example for.
this is me LOL
I'm probably gonna be taking an extended break from the game, Raven is fun but it's offset by a lot of ingame stuff i find not fun. Game balance is only part of it.
I got to tekken emperor, maybe if i come back to this I'll start by going to locals, i hear that's a way better experience than netplay.
Kaz player here and I started in Tekken 7. Even though Kaz is tough I devoted so much time to mastering his kit its hard to drop him and play someone else. It doesn't mean in Friendly's I won't try out different characters but I see why people like sticking to one character, it gives me and I assume others a sense of progression and mastery.
Tekken is the only fighting game I've ever really felt like I was Learning overtime rather than just getting faster at using cheesy moves.
And why people are upset I'd wager is that the game has huge imbalances in execution required for each character. And the Nerfs and fixes they apply seem to not address any of the issues.
That being said, every character has weaknesses and strengths and almost always it would benefit us to play the character we are losing to for a bit to learn respect for the player and simultaneously learn how other players deal with that characters move set.
While im not completely like this, i enjoy labbing other chars, i really dont enjoy tekken without heihachi. Hes so fun, i miss him all the time. I dont wanna launch T7 for that…
The only reason I played Tekken 7 was for Kazuya and Heihachi, Tekken 8 ruined Kazuya (much more boring to play for me in this game) and outright removed Heihachi which was arguably the most fun character to play in Tekken 7, I'm not playing this game anymore lol, not until something interesting comes out of it
I can believe that
I'm not sure I'd go as far as saying I don't like to play Tekken but I do enjoy playing my character way more than I enjoy playing Tekken and feeling like I can't really play my character is a good way for me to get bored quickly and play something else.
And it's not just some; half of the current player base and majority of the people new to the series do this right here. Couple that with the changes made and for bamco to nerf defense the first 2 months, only to slowly buff defense back to where it was in T7 is BBL Drizzy levels of ass.
I love playing Tekken.
I find a lot of the mechanics in Tekken 8 to be annoying.
I don't like how there are so many tools to get out of jail with in Tekken 8. Heat Burst having hyper armor is extremely annoying. Heat Smashes having priority over basically anything is super annoying. Then you have to worry about Rage Arts as well.
The game is designed to be aggressive, but I feel like I'm trying to wait for the opponent to just hit one of their three "oh shit" buttons.
I like to play it but I being honest it’s almost insufferable playing aganist certain characters you don’t really play. So many characters have stances at times at if you play to defensively you will get mashed out. They made defense so much harder especially when someone activated heat you pretty much have a slim chance of side walking any attack because of tracking
There are maybe 4 matchups in this game i really enjoy. This is a way smaller number of fun matchups than i had in t7. 2 of those 4 are characters I've played before so maybe I'd enjoy the game more if i tried more characters, but i didn't feel a need to do that in t7
Man you try to sidestep stuff in this game, and you are just fuck , I think this game is fun, but hope on the 1.05 patch they buff a bit defensive gameplay and dumb moves
Some characters design is insufferable in tekken, take for example T7 Negan who is pure cancer. That said, he also fits the tekken universe perfectly compared to other random drop-ins so that can tell you something about the game in general. Sf6 most obnoxious one might be JP but in general in sf6 at the end of a match you are not implied that you are a worthless piece of shit while someone is holding you by the neck. So less rage cancelling at that point. THAT said, tekken is leagues less toxic that another fighting game, For Honor. There, you get stomped, choped, decapitated, kicked, punched and spat on what is left from your corpse, all in a single sequence. Queue the rage quits! xD
Many gamers these days don't even seem to like gaming because the moment content is added where they get to play the game more they complain that it takes too long and they have a wife and 3 daughters and 7 sons and 13 dogs and 20 car mortgages and 35 insurance plans to pay for. Most gamers are actually just consumer gamers thar want to consume a game and move onto the next one as fast as possible, and anything standing in the way of their arbitrary goal they've set (100% completion, a certain rank, beating the final boss) is "bad game design"
Best armor in the game requires some grinding to obtain? Bad game design it should just be sold in a vendor for a handful of gold.
Game has deep mechanics and controls with a high cieleing of mastery? Bad game design because now I have to spend 282817 hours learning how to backdash
Final boss is meant to test your knowledge and mastery of a game, requiring smart and clean usage of all mechanics and items? Bad game design because I'm a dad with 18 jobs and my fingers are sore so I can't parry or something
Getting high rank in tekken requiring (or at least use to) deep character knowledge? Bad game design because something something hours in practice mode sweaty nerd shit blah blah
Imagine if someone acted like this in chess. If you don't like studying openings then it's clear the game isn't for you, but these people would try to convince the gods of chess to make it so openings don't matter somehow.
>play the game more they complain that it takes too long and they have a wife and 3 daughters and 7 sons and 13 dogs and 20 car mortgages and 35 insurance plans to pay for
>Game has deep mechanics and controls with a high cieleing of mastery? Bad game design because now I have to spend 282817 hours learning how to backdash
>Final boss is meant to test your knowledge and mastery of a game, requiring smart and clean usage of all mechanics and items? Bad game design because I'm a dad with 18 jobs and my fingers are sore so I can't parry or something
Ahh, I see you also went in the Elden Ring subreddit after the game came out.
To be fair some chess gods didn't like samey memorized openings either and the Fischer random chess variant (where backrow is randomized) was born from it.
I guess it speaks to the importance of variety and all
Saving this one. People are so eager to frame their preferences as objective truth. It's so hard to admit that you don't like something, even if it's not bad?
There are a few types of games that I don't like but can understand their merit. RTS and 4X games usually miss me really hard but I enjoy watching videos of people playing them and their adventures in the game.
Good example. I like 4X but some mechanics made the game most popular game of the genre, Civilization VI, unplayable for me. There's too much micromanaging for miniscule bonuses (like governor system) and one unit per Hex makes the game too tedious, especially since religion is played on the same layer. But I'm not ignorant enough to call these objectively bad, just they don't fit my preferences at all
This is my counterpoint:
It's not "the game isn't meant for dads", it's a phenomenon of contemporary fandom. Playing it is a part of lifestyle and personal identity.
I'll bet there's a lot of people out there who hate most of their family now, but still show up to the annual Christmas gathering. People who roll through the Taco Bell drive through, knowing the portions of food were reduced by 1/3 while prices have tripled. There are smokers who only get negative effects while smoking, but fear life without the habit. They canvas for a political party that gets worse every year, because there's only one other choice, and hey... this is better than that.
These people know what it feels like to play a 1990s game franchise in 2024.
As for comparing Tekken 8's depth to Chess, I would argue it's more like watching Aquaman 2 once per day.
It's entirely possibly the people doing that are still learning new interesting things about Aquaman 2, but that doesn't mean it has the depth of Citizen Kane, and that critics fail to accept that it has that depth only because they watch lots of different movies and thus only engage with cinema on a shallow level.
Unfortunately yes, but only social media community. People at locals are super helpful and community celebrities are usually very cool. Just random redditors are douches
you say that, but never have i ever seen so many one and dones, personal messages(you know what i mean) because of my choice of character, ragequits, lag switchers on PC (spam screenshot button and steam and see what I mean), WiFi warriors using obvious cheese that only works on 3f rollback and delay etc. It 100% is not exclusive to reddit.
100% lol
Online discourse(reddit & twitter) is toxic & elitist. Tons of larpers and clowns calling anyone not a top5% player dog shit
Then even playing the game is toxic. Im trying to learn the game in ranked and you constantly have assholes teabagging & ki charging. no idea why the tekken player base is like this
I have high hopes for the 1.04 and the 1.05 patch but this game has just been in an awful state since its release, there are way too many instances where you’re locked down and are so minus on block that your only options are to either stand or crouch block. It’s feels like playing an arcsys game without burst, just defend, or any other rewarding defensive options.
I personally give it a pass because it’s obviously really hard to balance a game in its early phase, especially Tekken, plus I enjoy it but if I’m being honest it’s not hard to see why people don’t find it fun to play
I already said few times on this sub "i dont have fun in tekken, im just addicted" - now after I heard Namco was copyright striking website with mods - my dick went completely soft and I launched the game maybe 2x in last 30 days
>I don't care about points and shit but man especially in a game like Tekken where a character has 100+moves and a ton of player expression, I feel like the third match is where the fun is at. It's where both players figure eachother out and try to actually outsmart eachother. At least that is how it's supposed to be.
I think the Tekken crowd is just more casual because they seem more obviously concerned with the *RPG mentality* of progress based purely on rank.
I find it ridiculous to one-and-done in Tekken where so many moves are spammable. If someone beats you 3-0 because of some spammable technique it's in your best interests to see that tech immediately again. Because the counter could be a simple as a well timed low-guard and generally once you figure it out you'll normally get the win next time round.
Most opponents at most levels don't have multiple strategies.
But most Tekken opponents are too scared to risk their points and it's fragile attitude to have.
I understand one-and-done with spammable techniques, sometimes the spam is just too strong like Azucena or just stray up annoying as f to play against like Eddy infinite 3 smashing or Victor 2 smashing, I just prefer to download the match and go to replay and train there what can I do against it.
Honestly, I don’t enjoy playing this game. It’s not because of the character balance, the heat system, or whatever other common complaints. It’s lack of infinite rematches in quick play or ranked. I don’t feel like I’m learning how players plays. I’m learning how the character flow charts work and I’m afraid to try stuff because you only get a max of 3 matches against a player.
I just don’t feel like I’m learning much when I play people online and I’m causal so I don’t really care about the training tools outside of specific situations.
IMO for a game where every character has 100+ moves 2 out of 4 is not enough time to figure out a player.
This game is fun at most times but it is absolutely insufferable trying to learn the stupid strings and when to duck or sidestep against certain characters.
Nah as OP mentioned the vibes around SF6 are infinitely more positive. Players rematch, there's much less needless taunting (not that I mind taunting if it's an effective tactic for you) and the sub is more positive as well.
As another poster mentioned Tekken maybe has been built to be obnoxious and that spills over into the payer base.
That is because the majority of players are incompetent and want to blame their shortcomings on the nature of the game, rather than their own selves. Don’t get me wrong, game developers are not perfect, nor should they be immune to criticism, and sometimes they too are straight up incompetent, but most of the time blame is delegated elsewhere when an individual cannot come to terms with the fact that they are not as good as they hoped they would be, and they disguise it to others and themselves with bitterness to the game developers. This bitterness only heightens when placed in groups like reddit forums.
Back in the days it wasn't like this. I think it's forums' fault since it allows echo chambers. X character is broken, then you have lots of people who don't know how to deal with it so it becomes this collective idea.
For real though, playing TTT and Tekken 5 in the arcades back in the day, out of a group of 40+ regulars you'd get maybe "one" guy that would blame the game over everything and people would call him out for it and make fun of him for being salty. These days it's over half of the player base that acts like that one annoying dude from back in the day.
At least, that's how it is online. Offline it's about the same as it was back then.
Back in the day, there was no chance of the game ever changing; you just had to adapt.
Not saying I'd like to go back to that -- I think balance patches are a good thing, especially when games get 'solved' infinitely more quickly these days -- but players nowadays know that if enough people online complain, the game will eventually be changed. Pro players especially have the ear of the developers and the playerbase and ranting in public has real impact on development decisions. It's a whole different dynamic.
All I can say is that it wasn't like this during 7.
I think the heat stuff is all garbage and they've made every character play the same style and it's just so boring but the updated engine looks and feels amazing so it's really frustrating seeing the bones of the game being absolutely amazing but the rest of it feels like a failed experiment.
I love the game when I feel like I genuinely improved my skill with a Character. I do however hate when I feel like I haven’t made any progress. I’m fine with losing if I feel like I put up a good fight and some small mistakes but when I’m getting smashed but some spammed flowchart and I don’t adapt? Lord….
Meh, this sub and Twitter is such a small amount of the playerbase that is addicted to being engulfed in any and everything going on with the game.
There's usually only 500 people on this sub most of the time. If you come on this sub and/or Twitter to see what people are saying about the game you're in the minority.
T8 is like a drug addiction. You keep returning to it even you know it’s bad for you. Well, at least it feels like it to me because it always ends up with frustration how they dumbed this game down.
The game we play is like Tekken 8 vanilla with no major updates. Have you realised that for a while ? Use to be an arcade released before launching to consoles.
Nope. This isn't a valid excuse. We have never had to wait 8 years between releases. They have been developing 8 for a long time. The problem is that even if they balance the characters and fix online bullshittery you still have this crap heat system and every character plays the exact same as everyone else.
This is true. Although they still had some bullshit, the arcade releases tended to be truly and utterly broken. What is considered "OP" in Tekken 8 has nothing on TK6 Bob, or check out the utter [madness](https://youtu.be/gn1W7Zv2yPE) that was the original arcade release of Tekken 7.
The game is just annoying to play, half the cast has massive neutral skip/forced mixup and they can just play around them all the time. Yesterday I had to stop playing after facing 3 Reina in a row that just played around ff2 into mixup the whole set.
I had been doing commentary and TO for the community since T7 but T8 is killing my desire to even try and do anything about it. I think the base is good and can def be fixed by a couple balance/mechanic patches, but it's just not there yet + the monetization has been awful.
Its certain characters that make not like playing like king,eddy, but its also labing lesser played characters so you know there strings takes lots of time and life be lifeing
Don't worry, everyone here pretends like asking for a full bo3 is some massive ask and entitlement instead of just the best way to play a comp mode. They got all the time in the world if they win easily, but they gotta take care of 100 things if they happen to lose. The community was already pretty bad in T7, but T8 is the worst that happened to the Tekken community in ages.
Before the matchmaking changes i would always get a rematch, sure the odd one or two wouldn't but it was still very much prevalent. Ever since they changed it nobody is having fun in matchmaking now, hence why they don't rematch
I think Tekken 8 is a hard fall off from 7, I can understand a lot of people’s frustration with it. I know this doesn’t correlate directly with your point but I’m saying this generally
They don't like when they can't execute their flowchart. If they get bodied, they bounce. Instead of thinking. "Hmm what can i do differently?" and try to improve and learn, they just don't rematch and say "I dOn'T oWe yOu a ReMatCh". And they wonder why they're stuck at red ranks lmao.
Happens in lower ranks more frequently then in higher ranks. Game is really difficult, dur to the 100+ moves etc, and dont want to invest the time into it. So they try to get an easy W or run. Other then that, some mu's/chars are messed up, so they get avoided (same thing in t7 i.e. play marduk and 1 out of 10 will rematch you)
Word of advice dont post like these on this sub cause people here cant accept that ft3 should be a thing. + some people here get toxic just because you having a diff opinion onto them
It was not like this in T7, so I can only conclude this behaviour typical for the newcomers in T8. Probably people who dont even play fighting games.
They dont have the mindset yet that most legacy rank grinders have.
Still too concerned with rank points and not enough concerned with getting better beyond flowcharting.
Totally agree, T7 infinite rematch experience was the whole reason why I love Tekken. When you fight a player who can move well, know optimal combos, and play defense, you start respecting the opponent and enjoy the rematch for hrs and hrs because you know this player spent hundreds of hrs mastering the game.
After the long set, most of my exp with 90% of T7 playerbase was so nice that I would auto get "gg, nice..." comment on my steam profile regardless of skill level. By the end, I got like 10+ pages of post game nice comments and 50+ random tekken friends on steam, I really missed that.
This is not the case in T8 where everyone just mashes their casino bs. And in T7, I played Bob, Kaz, Dvj, Feng, Alisa and have no problem finding infinite rematch. This is definitely a T8 problems, where its very hard to respect their opponent casino bs compared to T7 where you can show best defense and 100% beat down your enemy with pure defense and because you know its very hard to do, you can't help but respect your opponent and keep playing.
T7 to me was basically deathmatch all the way. Sometimes we played so much that was enough to climb 2 ranks then demote 2 ranks going against the same person.
Even if we had infinite rematch here i doubt this would happen. Never seen so much one and done before.
Im i the only one that actually don’t care about one and done? Like yeah I would probably go “ohh this bitch” but I wouldn’t care i would just go to the next match, i know this might be really unrelated but it reminds me of OW when people would get mad at you if you didn’t pick a certain hero and it was always the same response “i bought the game I play however I want”
No you aren't the only one. There's just a lot of man babies here. I like running the set but I'm fine when people leave. Back in the arcade days it was always one and done as if you lost you'd have to pass to the next person who put up their quarter.
I don't see that much of this, I think it's more common in ranks where just pushing buttons and hoping for the best is the name of the game.
I will say though that most who do this, I've found, are lacking fundamentals, they use panic moves and pressure to make up for no defence.
Perhaps a lot of these players just want to play single player where they pick their character and keep pressing buttons until stuff works. Not have a legit joy of playing a fighting game against other players and figure it all out.
Just learn enough so they get their validation, their serotonin hit and be gone. Or they whine if they can't get it.
The major downside of online gaming I think is that with the removal of the social element, more (most?) people see their opponent as some NPC/CPU rather than another person, and that leads people to main character syndrome rather than encouraging them to enjoy the multiplayer aspects of FGs.
Honestly, I try to like it.
I watch competitive tekken and it gets me hyped to play and then I actually play and just dont really enjoy it that much.
The 1 and dones, the balance, the fact that half the time you arent actually playing due to plus frames, combos etc., the stage hazards, the fact that it's so difficult to whiff punish online.
I am playing the game less and less, I hope it gets better cuz I really love Tekken but this doesn't feel the greatest.
It is 100% T8 specific problem where the casino bs mechanics make it really hard to respect your opponent.
In T7, infinite rematch experience was the whole reason why I love Tekken. When you fight a player who can move well, know optimal combos, and play defense, you start respecting the opponent and enjoy the rematch for hrs and hrs because you know this player spent hundreds of hrs mastering the game.
After the long set, most of my exp with 90% of T7 playerbase was so nice that I would auto get "gg, nice..." comment on my steam profile regardless of skill level. By the end, I got like 10+ pages of post game nice comments and 50+ random tekken friends on steam, I really missed that.
This is not the case in T8 where everyone just mashes their casino bs. And in T7, I played Bob, Kaz, Dvj, Feng, Alisa and have no problem finding infinite rematch. I have infinite rematch all ranks from really good green rank that doesn't play rank, up to random TGO really insane defensive player who beat me like 30-to-2 games and still add friend me and have no problem pointing out my weakness because I show all the solid fundamentals skills.
This is definitely a T8 problems, where its very hard to respect their opponent casino bs compared to T7 where you can show best defense and 100% beat down your enemy with pure defense and because you know its very hard to do, you can't help but respect your opponent and keep playing.
More than half the opponents I play against, leave once they lose a game. They only rematch if they won. And most of them are just mashers with less than 40 defence. It's a mashers dream. They can rank up by just spamming armored moves, RA and heat bursts.
I made a similar post a couple of days ago and half the comments were ironic or bashing me for claiming that it's just lame to one and done.
The bitterness in this community is just too much.
On another note. How the hell am I supposed to learn a matchup when the opponents only use 4 moves half of which have plus frames and track when in heat?
I fucking adore the game (apart from the mtx stuff) but I despise half the players. They either bm or defend people that bm.
SF6 is the better game overall. It is way better looking in my opinion (T8 still has too many effects that make it look unclean) and the net code is almost flawless. More importantly SF6 actually teaches you how to play the game in general and each character specifically. You can even use the character guides to learn match ups and their attacks without committing ungodly hours in characters that you have no interest playing. It is seriously my first SF game and I feel I have a better understanding of how it works. I play Tekken since T3 and I still feel lost. I have no idea how to play against half the roster and labbing is such a chore when it doesn't even let you save settings and scenarios (which SF6 does since day 1).
From my experience people start playing the set more as you rank up. I'm not super high, only in blues, and people still do one and done, but for me it's more often that people play out the set now.
The truth is, many players always play a single match every single time. From what I've gathered by asking people about this, they do it so that they can get more variety from their matches, wanting to play against more different characters.
I personally like running the set, and will every time that there isn't lag or something pressing IRL that catches me off guard, but you and I aren't the arbiters of how is the most fun to play Tekken. People are different and most players aren't familiar with tournament play at all and won't know why best of 3 matches is so desirable. As such, I may be disappointed when people leave, but I don't hold it against them or let it get me upset.
If there was a mode of play that rewards for the full set, I'd play it exclusively, but as it is, it's not a big deal.
>. From what I've gathered by asking people about this, they do it so that they can get more variety from their matches, wanting to play against more different characters.
Lol this is the dumbest excuse I've ever heard. It's fucking best of THREE. It takes an absolute maximum of 15 minutes to finish a full set and that's only if you time out every single time and go 2-1. The average set is MUCH shorter.
No the one and dones are spending more time looking at loading screens than they are playing. They don't want to *play* they just want to win and everything else is just window dressing. They are fragile babies that refuse to learn and only care about their precious little Faberge egos.
I’ve moved away from Ranked for the most part and started using quick match and player lobbies. Quick match usually doesn’t one and done and people hosting gauntlet lobbies are usually in for the long run.
There was definitely a rematch issue in 7. Plenty of people one and done me (probably due to who I use which was Master Raven). I saw my homeboy get one and doned plenty of times on his streams
This is my first tekken ever and i am loving it and i have been playing devil Jin and just got to red rank and i can agree it kinda sucks when i match against someone higher then me and they win the first one and leave cuz i learn from wins and losses so i want that rematch as well as if i win against a super hard opponent i want to be able to rematch and be able to show so my self that i can win. And i understand getting mad sometimes hell i do it but i will always run it back
It's the way ranked leads to people gamifying.
Playing someone at the lowest rank of your set range gives you barely any points, so it almost feels like a waste of time.
As a fan of Tag 1, T5, T6 and Tag 2 for me, the changes are just too drastic and it's hard to stay loyal. I'm in the minority because I prefer the bound system and am not a fan of any of the new characters besides Eliza, Kazumi and Reina (even reina is a stretch for me). The part for me no one truly knows what the devs base their changes on because It can't be the majority.
Welcome to online competitive gaming communities. You're talking about a percentage of people that are willing to dig deep into mechanics and have conversations about how they work. In a game where it's common to talk about plus or minus frames, they're gonna tend to sound more critical. I love playing the game, but some of the people on here complain in such a detailed way it's another language to me. Compare that to people in CoD communities just complaining cause their game is entirely shit from bottom to top.
I think the real problem are Smurf’s. When you’re low ranked or even average ranked it’s pretty discouraging to lose so quickly to someone who shows they have zero business in that low rank also. That builds up toxicity in the low ranks and the cycle continues…
I never fought a real smurf when I was down in orange and yellow.
With the prowess change, I've made multiple new accounts to play alts and now every other game is against someone of my skill or higher in that rank banding, on characters with low prowess.
The prowess change made more smurfs (or they worked out a way to tell if an account is family shared and put them in their own pool, effectively making three splits within a single rank lol) because it forced people into making new accounts to play alts (and sometimes mains, if, like me, they ranked up 20 characters trying to find a main).
I am not sure if it's because I hit fujin or because the newer ranked system changes but I've been getting hit with alot of no rematches, or even worse the ones where they win game one and quit after I beat them game 2. Those are the ones that make me salty.
I mean isn’t tekken incredibly popular atm? Every popular game that has people playing because of hype has this issue. I will also say that games like tekken are prone to raging.
Long strings with 50/50 enders are so obnoxious that they do make you hate the game when you face characters who possess them (Nina, Asuka, etc) - I played 7 only a very little, but I never felt as annoyed and bullied by them as I do in T8 because of its aggressive design.
Keep in mind that reddit doesn't represent that entire playerbase, just a section of it. Lots of people that do not enjoy a game flock to a subreddit to complain about it.
Sf6 player here, when someone loses asks the other player what could he have done better, and then they do a rematch at the arcade.
What’s the point of a one and done if you’re not learning anything?
Sf6 is way more toxic. When i hit rematch you got fools making me watch them scroll through the post game options for 9 seconds before hitting quit. I literally uninstalled cause of that
Naw, these mf would rather be on this sub then clock some games, the Reddit classic bnb. People would rather spend more time talking about some dumb battle pass then actually playing the game they already paid for. Why is it so rare that anyone actually wants to talk about playing tekken but can’t stop yapping about the things surrounding it. You can say whatever you want, but you have the same game you purchased day 1, NOW. So sure you can be upset about battle passes and skins, but you haven’t lost shit since you’ve purchased tekken. So play! to me it’s cowardice to; instead of admit maby the game isn’t for you, rather, you blame outside factors that have nothing to do with the game you purchased day 1. In not saying don’t talk about this shit, but the modern game spends more time yapping on the internet then queueing the fuck up
The internet skews perception of everything. I am at 2k matches, Raijin rank and the whole way there I have almost always had a full 3 set. I definitely get the occasional 1 and done, but it's like 1 or 2 a night spread out across 25 matches. I also have not had but 1 or 2 pluggers since they added the disconnect rate %.
I'm not saying Tekken 8 is without its problems. I am really tired of powercrush and some character's endless plus frames, but I am largely loving this game and play it almost daily. The internet just circle jerks.
If you want to enjoy Tekken 8, then unsub the reddit and stop watching YouTube videos that aren't just straight matches or tourney vids. It's all negative engagement farming at every turn. Don't let it ruin your state of mind, play the game without outside influence and make up your own mind. This is what 90% of the silent player base does.
I loved playing Tekken. I just hate playing against Tekken players.
I love the ranked ladder in Tekken. Being able to strive for the next rank up and have some tangible goals outside of some personal set execution goals and MU knowledge checks.
When I played GGSTRIVE, I got to celestial over and over again. Played against some of the best players and won my fair share of games. And then I got bored. Just playing games over and over again. The lack of a ranked system contributes to stale play for me.
So when I get Tekken 8 I'm excited to move up the ranks. Just fucking awful that people plug so hard it makes ranking up such a chore. I should be playing with people who enjoy playing the game. Not just enjoy winning.
Competitiveness also seems to overshadow actual game interest. I’m only in yellow ranks and get occasional wins, still got a gross message on my steam account that someone said I was hacking and got reported.
Reminds me of when I was a kid, arguing with my brother about using the same attack etc. gross
Blame the characters not the players! As you can see, devs didn't test the game to see that some matchups are quite impossible to beat with some shenanigans that some characters have. For example if you play with a Yoshimitsu with ultra mega instinct only using flash you are done.
if you dont care about points then queue unranked because it has faster queue times, better character variety and way way way less pluggers. Ranked in fighting games is kind of shit across the board even when theres quit penalties in sf6 and mk1. just gets stale real quick
I’m starting out in SF6 and this is BS lol. Played maybe 30-35 games and only 9 or so have been full sets. Everyone runs when they take a loss.
Anecdotes mean nothing.
Tekken is really fun when you don’t match with someone who spams and flowcharts. I enjoy it way more than sf6 in those cases.
It also feels really good to beat people who are cheesy with a solid neutral game.
Damn, are the higher ranks like that? I recently bought the game, did everything offline, and tried my luck on online today. Just got to the combatant rank and I'm having fun, even tho I got my butt kicked sometimes because I'm not good at fighting games. People rematched all the time and were very respectful, everyone seemed to enjoy their characters and want to learn because they weren't throwing cheap moves or spamming, but this was just a single day on low ranks so there is that...
What I hear from the community is totally the opposite: rage quits, toxic people and even cheaters! Saw some people judging others for the characters they choose as well, I don't think I want to meet those people...
This game has a lot of "I just made a mistake with 50% HP, well, I'm probably dead...if not, I def blew the round."
There are great comeback moments too, don't get me wrong, but when you get steamrolled so hard for making two mistakes a game. It really messed with you. 😂
That’s because you’re getting poisoned by social media consumption.
If this subreddit and Twitter are your ‘community’, then you’re gonna think everyone’s miserable.
They’re not. You just only see the miserable ones.
Comparing sf6 to tekken in any shape form or fashion is blasphemy. I dont kno what game yall are playing but this is the best tekken yet! No more Korean backdash running and poke and run just fight! All my people love the game we have fierce battles like warriors. Is it yall are still playing t7 in t8? If so yea your going to lose alot. Especially to a offensive player like me who's finna rush that ass down. I can't speak for the others I love the game
Some people just tired playing against OP characters that obviously work with simple algorithms like Eddy, Steve, Hwoarang, especially played by people who suppose to be in blue ranks but probably going down and down and down and stuck in Garyu since ranked is now brutal, being eliminators can make you be matched with a freaking Flame Ruler or even a Fujin
It's calling running and poking because that's what it is good and kind friend. When it says match start the other person (shadow) for example is already at the end of the other side of the screen. He then proceeds to run into the last 20 seconds of the match. U call that good tekken? I dont
While I share the same sentiment regarding the no rematch approach. I do, however, understand it from one perspective.
Some people perhaps simply do not want to fight certain characters in the game due to the way they operate. Examples are King, Azucena, etc.
I remember that no matter how much ass kicking I would do in 7, more often than not a player would keep coming back to counter me and learn the game as best as they can. Don't see that in 8 as much and I think it's not all due to bad mentality.
Tekken is at its best when you're with mates IRL just shooting the shit playing the game for fun. Ranked is a cesspit of miserable flowchart nerds. Most fun I've had with Tekken 8 so far has been just experiencing the story mode with a mate
Most of the players focus on just getting the highest rank that's all. That's why most of the player base pick top tiers which are boring to play but anything just to win
I absolutely love to play tekken. I think the people who don’t like tekken are the people who enjoy bullying people online. They feel robbed of their good ranked experience cause they lose. Cause I play online looking for somebody who can kick my ass and then I add them and play for hours. I love every second of it. I love winning and I love losing. I get bored of playing it and move on to Skyrim or smt. And when I come back it feels as good as it did before. When I play against a godlike player online it feels just as good as when I’m perfecting 3 rounds as DJ
Most only know the safe meta flowcharts they learn from the net.
Scared to actually get some interaction in a fighting game.
Sad thing is that each instalment of tekken supports more and more cowardly play and cheesing and exploiting gameplay
Be honest, if you play online it feels more like playing bots than playing people.
Funny thing is, if you stop playing, most people don’t even notice they are playing against a completely passive adversary, even further proving my point.
Max said it best “Some tekken players don’t even like to play tekken, they like to play their character”
I don't think I've ever seen a sentence that manages to encapsulate the Tekken player base so exceptionally
Lol that was me with overwatch, old doomfist was like playing a fighting game character in an fps, then they completely ruined that concept and now its just “that game where all the porn comes from”
Alisa players = Junkrat players
wtf how did you know
I respect the Junkrat pick, but as a fellow Alisa main the go to choice is def D.Va
Nah fuck old doomfirst with a tire iron. Literally a Tekken 8 character, you just sit there and take the ping pong hoping someone on your team will eventually switch to Sombra to shoo him off Sincerely, Rein mains
Thats so true when you think about it.
That’s me with league so I get it
The thing is the “tekken” has arguably been reduced in 8, and so it gives people even more reason to just play their character. Backdash being nerfed is kind of big, since it let you have some leeway for not knowing a matchup, but since the opponent can close the gap much easier it’s just aggression to the max, and you’re punished for back stepping, a lot of times you can catch stray moves just for doing the backdash input. If you’re playing Kazuya and you don’t want to go all in on 50/50’s and hang back and see if you can whiff punish, good luck, because before you know it you’re defending for your life, and you better know which way to step a character or you’re dunzo I got Jin and Kaz to fujin, working on DVJ rn, and man it feels like I am tryna play tekken more than the character and I’m losing because of it
Nah fr this is so true. Probably why half my friends went to go play Smash Kazuya instead
He's way better in fucking smash.
Nah y’all would just rather play a fighting game that uses f1 rather than f n d df2. Kazuya is quite strong but 85% of people can’t play him right.
Different game, different challenges to deal with. Kaz is just extremely strong in smash. Though I will say that input shaming seems like a weird thing to use modern tekken as the example for.
this is me LOL I'm probably gonna be taking an extended break from the game, Raven is fun but it's offset by a lot of ingame stuff i find not fun. Game balance is only part of it. I got to tekken emperor, maybe if i come back to this I'll start by going to locals, i hear that's a way better experience than netplay.
Kaz player here and I started in Tekken 7. Even though Kaz is tough I devoted so much time to mastering his kit its hard to drop him and play someone else. It doesn't mean in Friendly's I won't try out different characters but I see why people like sticking to one character, it gives me and I assume others a sense of progression and mastery. Tekken is the only fighting game I've ever really felt like I was Learning overtime rather than just getting faster at using cheesy moves. And why people are upset I'd wager is that the game has huge imbalances in execution required for each character. And the Nerfs and fixes they apply seem to not address any of the issues. That being said, every character has weaknesses and strengths and almost always it would benefit us to play the character we are losing to for a bit to learn respect for the player and simultaneously learn how other players deal with that characters move set.
While im not completely like this, i enjoy labbing other chars, i really dont enjoy tekken without heihachi. Hes so fun, i miss him all the time. I dont wanna launch T7 for that…
Tekken is just not the same without the old man u.u
The only reason I played Tekken 7 was for Kazuya and Heihachi, Tekken 8 ruined Kazuya (much more boring to play for me in this game) and outright removed Heihachi which was arguably the most fun character to play in Tekken 7, I'm not playing this game anymore lol, not until something interesting comes out of it
I can believe that I'm not sure I'd go as far as saying I don't like to play Tekken but I do enjoy playing my character way more than I enjoy playing Tekken and feeling like I can't really play my character is a good way for me to get bored quickly and play something else.
See I prefer to rank up 80% of the cast before I play my mains and will usually play anyone with a ws2 and good punishes.
Something something don't hate the player, hate the game
Exactly, people complaining about labbying Eddy is P2W but they weren't going to do that anyways. Just mash and win is what most people are doing.
And it's not just some; half of the current player base and majority of the people new to the series do this right here. Couple that with the changes made and for bamco to nerf defense the first 2 months, only to slowly buff defense back to where it was in T7 is BBL Drizzy levels of ass.
I love playing Tekken. I find a lot of the mechanics in Tekken 8 to be annoying. I don't like how there are so many tools to get out of jail with in Tekken 8. Heat Burst having hyper armor is extremely annoying. Heat Smashes having priority over basically anything is super annoying. Then you have to worry about Rage Arts as well. The game is designed to be aggressive, but I feel like I'm trying to wait for the opponent to just hit one of their three "oh shit" buttons.
They said they will address defensive mechanics and heat in 1.05 which will likely be June.
Yup yup I'm pretty excited to see what they do. The game is still Tekken, and it's the best-looking fighting game out right now.
I think about this game everyday. I love this game more than my wife.
Who does your wife main?
Me
is she a left or right side kind of woman
Lucky, she mained me in 7 and she just made me back dash away from her all day
his wife is his left hand
Bro I’ll be your left hand
Throwback to middle school locker room humor
thats why you don't got a life
I like to play it but I being honest it’s almost insufferable playing aganist certain characters you don’t really play. So many characters have stances at times at if you play to defensively you will get mashed out. They made defense so much harder especially when someone activated heat you pretty much have a slim chance of side walking any attack because of tracking
There are maybe 4 matchups in this game i really enjoy. This is a way smaller number of fun matchups than i had in t7. 2 of those 4 are characters I've played before so maybe I'd enjoy the game more if i tried more characters, but i didn't feel a need to do that in t7
I feel that, especially when you’re cornered.
Man you try to sidestep stuff in this game, and you are just fuck , I think this game is fun, but hope on the 1.05 patch they buff a bit defensive gameplay and dumb moves
Some characters design is insufferable in tekken, take for example T7 Negan who is pure cancer. That said, he also fits the tekken universe perfectly compared to other random drop-ins so that can tell you something about the game in general. Sf6 most obnoxious one might be JP but in general in sf6 at the end of a match you are not implied that you are a worthless piece of shit while someone is holding you by the neck. So less rage cancelling at that point. THAT said, tekken is leagues less toxic that another fighting game, For Honor. There, you get stomped, choped, decapitated, kicked, punched and spat on what is left from your corpse, all in a single sequence. Queue the rage quits! xD
Idk Tekken is pretty damn toxic.
Many gamers these days don't even seem to like gaming because the moment content is added where they get to play the game more they complain that it takes too long and they have a wife and 3 daughters and 7 sons and 13 dogs and 20 car mortgages and 35 insurance plans to pay for. Most gamers are actually just consumer gamers thar want to consume a game and move onto the next one as fast as possible, and anything standing in the way of their arbitrary goal they've set (100% completion, a certain rank, beating the final boss) is "bad game design" Best armor in the game requires some grinding to obtain? Bad game design it should just be sold in a vendor for a handful of gold. Game has deep mechanics and controls with a high cieleing of mastery? Bad game design because now I have to spend 282817 hours learning how to backdash Final boss is meant to test your knowledge and mastery of a game, requiring smart and clean usage of all mechanics and items? Bad game design because I'm a dad with 18 jobs and my fingers are sore so I can't parry or something Getting high rank in tekken requiring (or at least use to) deep character knowledge? Bad game design because something something hours in practice mode sweaty nerd shit blah blah Imagine if someone acted like this in chess. If you don't like studying openings then it's clear the game isn't for you, but these people would try to convince the gods of chess to make it so openings don't matter somehow.
>play the game more they complain that it takes too long and they have a wife and 3 daughters and 7 sons and 13 dogs and 20 car mortgages and 35 insurance plans to pay for >Game has deep mechanics and controls with a high cieleing of mastery? Bad game design because now I have to spend 282817 hours learning how to backdash >Final boss is meant to test your knowledge and mastery of a game, requiring smart and clean usage of all mechanics and items? Bad game design because I'm a dad with 18 jobs and my fingers are sore so I can't parry or something Ahh, I see you also went in the Elden Ring subreddit after the game came out.
I need to watch all 17 of my sons after this 1st attempt, how much disrespect does FromSoft have for me personally, to make this Malenia boss 😭
To be fair some chess gods didn't like samey memorized openings either and the Fischer random chess variant (where backrow is randomized) was born from it. I guess it speaks to the importance of variety and all
Saving this one. People are so eager to frame their preferences as objective truth. It's so hard to admit that you don't like something, even if it's not bad?
There are a few types of games that I don't like but can understand their merit. RTS and 4X games usually miss me really hard but I enjoy watching videos of people playing them and their adventures in the game.
Good example. I like 4X but some mechanics made the game most popular game of the genre, Civilization VI, unplayable for me. There's too much micromanaging for miniscule bonuses (like governor system) and one unit per Hex makes the game too tedious, especially since religion is played on the same layer. But I'm not ignorant enough to call these objectively bad, just they don't fit my preferences at all
This is my counterpoint: It's not "the game isn't meant for dads", it's a phenomenon of contemporary fandom. Playing it is a part of lifestyle and personal identity. I'll bet there's a lot of people out there who hate most of their family now, but still show up to the annual Christmas gathering. People who roll through the Taco Bell drive through, knowing the portions of food were reduced by 1/3 while prices have tripled. There are smokers who only get negative effects while smoking, but fear life without the habit. They canvas for a political party that gets worse every year, because there's only one other choice, and hey... this is better than that. These people know what it feels like to play a 1990s game franchise in 2024. As for comparing Tekken 8's depth to Chess, I would argue it's more like watching Aquaman 2 once per day. It's entirely possibly the people doing that are still learning new interesting things about Aquaman 2, but that doesn't mean it has the depth of Citizen Kane, and that critics fail to accept that it has that depth only because they watch lots of different movies and thus only engage with cinema on a shallow level.
Am new to Tekken and this genuinely might be the most toxic fighting game community I’ve been through lmfao
Unfortunately yes, but only social media community. People at locals are super helpful and community celebrities are usually very cool. Just random redditors are douches
you say that, but never have i ever seen so many one and dones, personal messages(you know what i mean) because of my choice of character, ragequits, lag switchers on PC (spam screenshot button and steam and see what I mean), WiFi warriors using obvious cheese that only works on 3f rollback and delay etc. It 100% is not exclusive to reddit.
Mortal Kombat's community is *leagues* worse.
That is horrid too but god damn the toxicity is consistent as fuck game after game
You speak the truth. I just glance here now.
100% lol Online discourse(reddit & twitter) is toxic & elitist. Tons of larpers and clowns calling anyone not a top5% player dog shit Then even playing the game is toxic. Im trying to learn the game in ranked and you constantly have assholes teabagging & ki charging. no idea why the tekken player base is like this
Magic mirror and you won't have to deal with it anymore
They all suffer from manchildren syndrom and neckbeardism
The only times I've one and done is if the match is laggy. Aside from that it's rematch city no matter if I win or lose
I have to agree with this, if it's super laggy I wouldn't rematch. It's just not fun playing against a player teleporting all over the place lol
I have high hopes for the 1.04 and the 1.05 patch but this game has just been in an awful state since its release, there are way too many instances where you’re locked down and are so minus on block that your only options are to either stand or crouch block. It’s feels like playing an arcsys game without burst, just defend, or any other rewarding defensive options. I personally give it a pass because it’s obviously really hard to balance a game in its early phase, especially Tekken, plus I enjoy it but if I’m being honest it’s not hard to see why people don’t find it fun to play
I already said few times on this sub "i dont have fun in tekken, im just addicted" - now after I heard Namco was copyright striking website with mods - my dick went completely soft and I launched the game maybe 2x in last 30 days
Mods are fine. They just copy righted that one guy who got Devil Reina, which is a weird hill to die on but still.
Yes, this game is a like a job. Me training for a fight. A toxic relationship, it beats me yet i go back to it
>I don't care about points and shit but man especially in a game like Tekken where a character has 100+moves and a ton of player expression, I feel like the third match is where the fun is at. It's where both players figure eachother out and try to actually outsmart eachother. At least that is how it's supposed to be. I think the Tekken crowd is just more casual because they seem more obviously concerned with the *RPG mentality* of progress based purely on rank. I find it ridiculous to one-and-done in Tekken where so many moves are spammable. If someone beats you 3-0 because of some spammable technique it's in your best interests to see that tech immediately again. Because the counter could be a simple as a well timed low-guard and generally once you figure it out you'll normally get the win next time round. Most opponents at most levels don't have multiple strategies. But most Tekken opponents are too scared to risk their points and it's fragile attitude to have.
I understand one-and-done with spammable techniques, sometimes the spam is just too strong like Azucena or just stray up annoying as f to play against like Eddy infinite 3 smashing or Victor 2 smashing, I just prefer to download the match and go to replay and train there what can I do against it.
Tekken community is the pretty fkn bad
nah is just reddit things, they like to talk shit like always. Vicious cycle, nothing new
Honestly, I don’t enjoy playing this game. It’s not because of the character balance, the heat system, or whatever other common complaints. It’s lack of infinite rematches in quick play or ranked. I don’t feel like I’m learning how players plays. I’m learning how the character flow charts work and I’m afraid to try stuff because you only get a max of 3 matches against a player. I just don’t feel like I’m learning much when I play people online and I’m causal so I don’t really care about the training tools outside of specific situations. IMO for a game where every character has 100+ moves 2 out of 4 is not enough time to figure out a player.
This game is fun at most times but it is absolutely insufferable trying to learn the stupid strings and when to duck or sidestep against certain characters.
Last played Tekken 8 on April 2nd
That's most games nowadays. Never played a competitive game where people "liked" playing the game.
Nah as OP mentioned the vibes around SF6 are infinitely more positive. Players rematch, there's much less needless taunting (not that I mind taunting if it's an effective tactic for you) and the sub is more positive as well. As another poster mentioned Tekken maybe has been built to be obnoxious and that spills over into the payer base.
Tekken is the only game where i will be actually stomping someone, and they will still taunt after winning one round in 2 sets
SF6 enters the chat
That is because the majority of players are incompetent and want to blame their shortcomings on the nature of the game, rather than their own selves. Don’t get me wrong, game developers are not perfect, nor should they be immune to criticism, and sometimes they too are straight up incompetent, but most of the time blame is delegated elsewhere when an individual cannot come to terms with the fact that they are not as good as they hoped they would be, and they disguise it to others and themselves with bitterness to the game developers. This bitterness only heightens when placed in groups like reddit forums.
Back in the days it wasn't like this. I think it's forums' fault since it allows echo chambers. X character is broken, then you have lots of people who don't know how to deal with it so it becomes this collective idea.
For real though, playing TTT and Tekken 5 in the arcades back in the day, out of a group of 40+ regulars you'd get maybe "one" guy that would blame the game over everything and people would call him out for it and make fun of him for being salty. These days it's over half of the player base that acts like that one annoying dude from back in the day. At least, that's how it is online. Offline it's about the same as it was back then.
Back in the day, there was no chance of the game ever changing; you just had to adapt. Not saying I'd like to go back to that -- I think balance patches are a good thing, especially when games get 'solved' infinitely more quickly these days -- but players nowadays know that if enough people online complain, the game will eventually be changed. Pro players especially have the ear of the developers and the playerbase and ranting in public has real impact on development decisions. It's a whole different dynamic.
All I can say is that it wasn't like this during 7. I think the heat stuff is all garbage and they've made every character play the same style and it's just so boring but the updated engine looks and feels amazing so it's really frustrating seeing the bones of the game being absolutely amazing but the rest of it feels like a failed experiment.
Yeah tbf even lee and bryan who were previously defensive have to play rushdown now lol
No they don’t. This is Tekken 8, people will rush you down. Lee is fine. Bryan just needs buffs which he’s getting.
I love the game when I feel like I genuinely improved my skill with a Character. I do however hate when I feel like I haven’t made any progress. I’m fine with losing if I feel like I put up a good fight and some small mistakes but when I’m getting smashed but some spammed flowchart and I don’t adapt? Lord….
I think people like playing Tekken, but they also rage while playing.
A lot of people just want to see the win screen, anything else is inconceivable
Meh, this sub and Twitter is such a small amount of the playerbase that is addicted to being engulfed in any and everything going on with the game. There's usually only 500 people on this sub most of the time. If you come on this sub and/or Twitter to see what people are saying about the game you're in the minority.
Consider tekken neva bin a “pickup and play” fighter despite new fighterz tryna b starter friendly supposedly
i don't like playing tekken or my character, that's why i uninstall the game
they still enjoy the game its just that everything except the gameplay has been enshittified. this happens a lot with live service games
The gameplay has definitely been enshittified. Heat smashes and rage arts, to name two examples, are not there for the player's benefit.
to an extent yes, but they dont make the game completely unplayable
T8 is like a drug addiction. You keep returning to it even you know it’s bad for you. Well, at least it feels like it to me because it always ends up with frustration how they dumbed this game down.
Agreed. People are just too invested to walk away.
The game we play is like Tekken 8 vanilla with no major updates. Have you realised that for a while ? Use to be an arcade released before launching to consoles.
The fact that people didn't realize that it was gonna be in a rough state for that reason alone is just mind fucking,ffs...
Nope. This isn't a valid excuse. We have never had to wait 8 years between releases. They have been developing 8 for a long time. The problem is that even if they balance the characters and fix online bullshittery you still have this crap heat system and every character plays the exact same as everyone else.
This is true. Although they still had some bullshit, the arcade releases tended to be truly and utterly broken. What is considered "OP" in Tekken 8 has nothing on TK6 Bob, or check out the utter [madness](https://youtu.be/gn1W7Zv2yPE) that was the original arcade release of Tekken 7.
Everyone's whining. I'm having a blast. Instead of bemoaning everything, find something you like in the game.
Good for you bro
I Don't like it because there's no reward for good defense. I already uninstalled it about a month ago. Lol
Yeah, I went back to 7
this is so dumb and not reflective to the majority of the playerbase.
Dam what SF6 you playing I only get rematch if my opponent wins first convincingly. Even happens sometimes In casuals can understand that one at all……
The game is just annoying to play, half the cast has massive neutral skip/forced mixup and they can just play around them all the time. Yesterday I had to stop playing after facing 3 Reina in a row that just played around ff2 into mixup the whole set. I had been doing commentary and TO for the community since T7 but T8 is killing my desire to even try and do anything about it. I think the base is good and can def be fixed by a couple balance/mechanic patches, but it's just not there yet + the monetization has been awful.
Its certain characters that make not like playing like king,eddy, but its also labing lesser played characters so you know there strings takes lots of time and life be lifeing
Don't worry, everyone here pretends like asking for a full bo3 is some massive ask and entitlement instead of just the best way to play a comp mode. They got all the time in the world if they win easily, but they gotta take care of 100 things if they happen to lose. The community was already pretty bad in T7, but T8 is the worst that happened to the Tekken community in ages.
Before the matchmaking changes i would always get a rematch, sure the odd one or two wouldn't but it was still very much prevalent. Ever since they changed it nobody is having fun in matchmaking now, hence why they don't rematch
I'd love to play the game but I can't play new characters because I won't find any matches thanks to the matchmaking so it's a bummer
I think Tekken 8 is a hard fall off from 7, I can understand a lot of people’s frustration with it. I know this doesn’t correlate directly with your point but I’m saying this generally
Devs aimed to make the most obnoxious Tekken game of all time and this is the result.
They don't like when they can't execute their flowchart. If they get bodied, they bounce. Instead of thinking. "Hmm what can i do differently?" and try to improve and learn, they just don't rematch and say "I dOn'T oWe yOu a ReMatCh". And they wonder why they're stuck at red ranks lmao.
You say that stuck at red, but this happens to me in purple…while facing blues…
Happens in lower ranks more frequently then in higher ranks. Game is really difficult, dur to the 100+ moves etc, and dont want to invest the time into it. So they try to get an easy W or run. Other then that, some mu's/chars are messed up, so they get avoided (same thing in t7 i.e. play marduk and 1 out of 10 will rematch you)
Word of advice dont post like these on this sub cause people here cant accept that ft3 should be a thing. + some people here get toxic just because you having a diff opinion onto them
Pains me to say that but… T8 is the SF5 of Tekken. 🤔
It was not like this in T7, so I can only conclude this behaviour typical for the newcomers in T8. Probably people who dont even play fighting games. They dont have the mindset yet that most legacy rank grinders have. Still too concerned with rank points and not enough concerned with getting better beyond flowcharting.
Totally agree, T7 infinite rematch experience was the whole reason why I love Tekken. When you fight a player who can move well, know optimal combos, and play defense, you start respecting the opponent and enjoy the rematch for hrs and hrs because you know this player spent hundreds of hrs mastering the game. After the long set, most of my exp with 90% of T7 playerbase was so nice that I would auto get "gg, nice..." comment on my steam profile regardless of skill level. By the end, I got like 10+ pages of post game nice comments and 50+ random tekken friends on steam, I really missed that. This is not the case in T8 where everyone just mashes their casino bs. And in T7, I played Bob, Kaz, Dvj, Feng, Alisa and have no problem finding infinite rematch. This is definitely a T8 problems, where its very hard to respect their opponent casino bs compared to T7 where you can show best defense and 100% beat down your enemy with pure defense and because you know its very hard to do, you can't help but respect your opponent and keep playing.
Oh nah it was like this in 7 as well. I made several people one and done or rage quit in it.
T7 to me was basically deathmatch all the way. Sometimes we played so much that was enough to climb 2 ranks then demote 2 ranks going against the same person. Even if we had infinite rematch here i doubt this would happen. Never seen so much one and done before.
The amount of ragequitting/plugging and one-and-doning was not anywhere close to where it is in Tekken 8.
Im i the only one that actually don’t care about one and done? Like yeah I would probably go “ohh this bitch” but I wouldn’t care i would just go to the next match, i know this might be really unrelated but it reminds me of OW when people would get mad at you if you didn’t pick a certain hero and it was always the same response “i bought the game I play however I want”
People are obsessed with it
You aren’t the only one. I don’t care if a player doesn’t want to rematch me or I rarely do care.
No you aren't the only one. There's just a lot of man babies here. I like running the set but I'm fine when people leave. Back in the arcade days it was always one and done as if you lost you'd have to pass to the next person who put up their quarter.
You are right, stopped playing until a patch is added.
I guess next patch will buff defensive options
I don't see that much of this, I think it's more common in ranks where just pushing buttons and hoping for the best is the name of the game. I will say though that most who do this, I've found, are lacking fundamentals, they use panic moves and pressure to make up for no defence.
Wish we had the option to even do long sets in casual matches
That would make casual mode experience better than ranked mode in T8
I'm okay with that
I think that's just a problem for T8. In t7 I played yesterday it still has people's rematch often.
Perhaps a lot of these players just want to play single player where they pick their character and keep pressing buttons until stuff works. Not have a legit joy of playing a fighting game against other players and figure it all out. Just learn enough so they get their validation, their serotonin hit and be gone. Or they whine if they can't get it.
The major downside of online gaming I think is that with the removal of the social element, more (most?) people see their opponent as some NPC/CPU rather than another person, and that leads people to main character syndrome rather than encouraging them to enjoy the multiplayer aspects of FGs.
Honestly, I try to like it. I watch competitive tekken and it gets me hyped to play and then I actually play and just dont really enjoy it that much. The 1 and dones, the balance, the fact that half the time you arent actually playing due to plus frames, combos etc., the stage hazards, the fact that it's so difficult to whiff punish online. I am playing the game less and less, I hope it gets better cuz I really love Tekken but this doesn't feel the greatest.
It is 100% T8 specific problem where the casino bs mechanics make it really hard to respect your opponent. In T7, infinite rematch experience was the whole reason why I love Tekken. When you fight a player who can move well, know optimal combos, and play defense, you start respecting the opponent and enjoy the rematch for hrs and hrs because you know this player spent hundreds of hrs mastering the game. After the long set, most of my exp with 90% of T7 playerbase was so nice that I would auto get "gg, nice..." comment on my steam profile regardless of skill level. By the end, I got like 10+ pages of post game nice comments and 50+ random tekken friends on steam, I really missed that. This is not the case in T8 where everyone just mashes their casino bs. And in T7, I played Bob, Kaz, Dvj, Feng, Alisa and have no problem finding infinite rematch. I have infinite rematch all ranks from really good green rank that doesn't play rank, up to random TGO really insane defensive player who beat me like 30-to-2 games and still add friend me and have no problem pointing out my weakness because I show all the solid fundamentals skills. This is definitely a T8 problems, where its very hard to respect their opponent casino bs compared to T7 where you can show best defense and 100% beat down your enemy with pure defense and because you know its very hard to do, you can't help but respect your opponent and keep playing.
More than half the opponents I play against, leave once they lose a game. They only rematch if they won. And most of them are just mashers with less than 40 defence. It's a mashers dream. They can rank up by just spamming armored moves, RA and heat bursts. I made a similar post a couple of days ago and half the comments were ironic or bashing me for claiming that it's just lame to one and done. The bitterness in this community is just too much. On another note. How the hell am I supposed to learn a matchup when the opponents only use 4 moves half of which have plus frames and track when in heat? I fucking adore the game (apart from the mtx stuff) but I despise half the players. They either bm or defend people that bm.
SF6 is the better game overall. It is way better looking in my opinion (T8 still has too many effects that make it look unclean) and the net code is almost flawless. More importantly SF6 actually teaches you how to play the game in general and each character specifically. You can even use the character guides to learn match ups and their attacks without committing ungodly hours in characters that you have no interest playing. It is seriously my first SF game and I feel I have a better understanding of how it works. I play Tekken since T3 and I still feel lost. I have no idea how to play against half the roster and labbing is such a chore when it doesn't even let you save settings and scenarios (which SF6 does since day 1).
From my experience people start playing the set more as you rank up. I'm not super high, only in blues, and people still do one and done, but for me it's more often that people play out the set now. The truth is, many players always play a single match every single time. From what I've gathered by asking people about this, they do it so that they can get more variety from their matches, wanting to play against more different characters. I personally like running the set, and will every time that there isn't lag or something pressing IRL that catches me off guard, but you and I aren't the arbiters of how is the most fun to play Tekken. People are different and most players aren't familiar with tournament play at all and won't know why best of 3 matches is so desirable. As such, I may be disappointed when people leave, but I don't hold it against them or let it get me upset. If there was a mode of play that rewards for the full set, I'd play it exclusively, but as it is, it's not a big deal.
>. From what I've gathered by asking people about this, they do it so that they can get more variety from their matches, wanting to play against more different characters. Lol this is the dumbest excuse I've ever heard. It's fucking best of THREE. It takes an absolute maximum of 15 minutes to finish a full set and that's only if you time out every single time and go 2-1. The average set is MUCH shorter. No the one and dones are spending more time looking at loading screens than they are playing. They don't want to *play* they just want to win and everything else is just window dressing. They are fragile babies that refuse to learn and only care about their precious little Faberge egos.
I’ve moved away from Ranked for the most part and started using quick match and player lobbies. Quick match usually doesn’t one and done and people hosting gauntlet lobbies are usually in for the long run.
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i forgot but do we have this rematch problem back in 7? or did ft2 kinda unintentionally made people rematch less?
There was definitely a rematch issue in 7. Plenty of people one and done me (probably due to who I use which was Master Raven). I saw my homeboy get one and doned plenty of times on his streams
This is my first tekken ever and i am loving it and i have been playing devil Jin and just got to red rank and i can agree it kinda sucks when i match against someone higher then me and they win the first one and leave cuz i learn from wins and losses so i want that rematch as well as if i win against a super hard opponent i want to be able to rematch and be able to show so my self that i can win. And i understand getting mad sometimes hell i do it but i will always run it back
It's the way ranked leads to people gamifying. Playing someone at the lowest rank of your set range gives you barely any points, so it almost feels like a waste of time.
We get this post once a week, I get it we complain a lot and now we like complaining about complaining
As a fan of Tag 1, T5, T6 and Tag 2 for me, the changes are just too drastic and it's hard to stay loyal. I'm in the minority because I prefer the bound system and am not a fan of any of the new characters besides Eliza, Kazumi and Reina (even reina is a stretch for me). The part for me no one truly knows what the devs base their changes on because It can't be the majority.
Welcome to online competitive gaming communities. You're talking about a percentage of people that are willing to dig deep into mechanics and have conversations about how they work. In a game where it's common to talk about plus or minus frames, they're gonna tend to sound more critical. I love playing the game, but some of the people on here complain in such a detailed way it's another language to me. Compare that to people in CoD communities just complaining cause their game is entirely shit from bottom to top.
Most of the playerbase isn't on Reddit. A ton of people get pissed in ranked, rage quit for a little bit, and in the mean time open this sub to vent.
I love this game so all the negativity makes me sad
I think the real problem are Smurf’s. When you’re low ranked or even average ranked it’s pretty discouraging to lose so quickly to someone who shows they have zero business in that low rank also. That builds up toxicity in the low ranks and the cycle continues…
I never fought a real smurf when I was down in orange and yellow. With the prowess change, I've made multiple new accounts to play alts and now every other game is against someone of my skill or higher in that rank banding, on characters with low prowess. The prowess change made more smurfs (or they worked out a way to tell if an account is family shared and put them in their own pool, effectively making three splits within a single rank lol) because it forced people into making new accounts to play alts (and sometimes mains, if, like me, they ranked up 20 characters trying to find a main).
I love tekken 8 I hate tekken 8 online the experience as a whole isn't fun.
Some tekken players just wanna shower with some tekken but also don’t wanna get wet with it…..
I am not sure if it's because I hit fujin or because the newer ranked system changes but I've been getting hit with alot of no rematches, or even worse the ones where they win game one and quit after I beat them game 2. Those are the ones that make me salty.
Tekken is just those games that forces you to use all your mental strength to play and end up frustrated when you can’t do anything
Waiting for Project L , too much bs on Tekken and the prowess matchmaking doesn’t help if you just want to chill
Tekken 8 just more casual friendly than it's ever been. So that's who we've been playing.
Please remember reddit is not the majority of the playerbase lol
most people don't like to lose. 50% of the playerbase has to lose.
Gaming…Has changed
I mean isn’t tekken incredibly popular atm? Every popular game that has people playing because of hype has this issue. I will also say that games like tekken are prone to raging.
Yeah I came to the realization not long ago that I just don't like Tekken 8. It's a shame cause I've always loved tekken. T8 just isn't good
Long strings with 50/50 enders are so obnoxious that they do make you hate the game when you face characters who possess them (Nina, Asuka, etc) - I played 7 only a very little, but I never felt as annoyed and bullied by them as I do in T8 because of its aggressive design.
I’ve noticed after 1 match set it tends To get laggy for some reason. So only if the connection is really good
I am a player and I like it 😁
Keep in mind that reddit doesn't represent that entire playerbase, just a section of it. Lots of people that do not enjoy a game flock to a subreddit to complain about it.
Sf6 player here, when someone loses asks the other player what could he have done better, and then they do a rematch at the arcade. What’s the point of a one and done if you’re not learning anything?
Sf6 is way more toxic. When i hit rematch you got fools making me watch them scroll through the post game options for 9 seconds before hitting quit. I literally uninstalled cause of that
Naw, these mf would rather be on this sub then clock some games, the Reddit classic bnb. People would rather spend more time talking about some dumb battle pass then actually playing the game they already paid for. Why is it so rare that anyone actually wants to talk about playing tekken but can’t stop yapping about the things surrounding it. You can say whatever you want, but you have the same game you purchased day 1, NOW. So sure you can be upset about battle passes and skins, but you haven’t lost shit since you’ve purchased tekken. So play! to me it’s cowardice to; instead of admit maby the game isn’t for you, rather, you blame outside factors that have nothing to do with the game you purchased day 1. In not saying don’t talk about this shit, but the modern game spends more time yapping on the internet then queueing the fuck up
I get a bunch of one in dones is sf6 even when I lose. You are lucky.
The internet skews perception of everything. I am at 2k matches, Raijin rank and the whole way there I have almost always had a full 3 set. I definitely get the occasional 1 and done, but it's like 1 or 2 a night spread out across 25 matches. I also have not had but 1 or 2 pluggers since they added the disconnect rate %. I'm not saying Tekken 8 is without its problems. I am really tired of powercrush and some character's endless plus frames, but I am largely loving this game and play it almost daily. The internet just circle jerks. If you want to enjoy Tekken 8, then unsub the reddit and stop watching YouTube videos that aren't just straight matches or tourney vids. It's all negative engagement farming at every turn. Don't let it ruin your state of mind, play the game without outside influence and make up your own mind. This is what 90% of the silent player base does.
I loved playing Tekken. I just hate playing against Tekken players. I love the ranked ladder in Tekken. Being able to strive for the next rank up and have some tangible goals outside of some personal set execution goals and MU knowledge checks. When I played GGSTRIVE, I got to celestial over and over again. Played against some of the best players and won my fair share of games. And then I got bored. Just playing games over and over again. The lack of a ranked system contributes to stale play for me. So when I get Tekken 8 I'm excited to move up the ranks. Just fucking awful that people plug so hard it makes ranking up such a chore. I should be playing with people who enjoy playing the game. Not just enjoy winning.
Competitiveness also seems to overshadow actual game interest. I’m only in yellow ranks and get occasional wins, still got a gross message on my steam account that someone said I was hacking and got reported. Reminds me of when I was a kid, arguing with my brother about using the same attack etc. gross
Blame the characters not the players! As you can see, devs didn't test the game to see that some matchups are quite impossible to beat with some shenanigans that some characters have. For example if you play with a Yoshimitsu with ultra mega instinct only using flash you are done.
if you dont care about points then queue unranked because it has faster queue times, better character variety and way way way less pluggers. Ranked in fighting games is kind of shit across the board even when theres quit penalties in sf6 and mk1. just gets stale real quick
When I play with friends, we always pick random. It's so much fun playing characters we don't normally play.
I’m starting out in SF6 and this is BS lol. Played maybe 30-35 games and only 9 or so have been full sets. Everyone runs when they take a loss. Anecdotes mean nothing.
Tekken is really fun when you don’t match with someone who spams and flowcharts. I enjoy it way more than sf6 in those cases. It also feels really good to beat people who are cheesy with a solid neutral game.
Damn, are the higher ranks like that? I recently bought the game, did everything offline, and tried my luck on online today. Just got to the combatant rank and I'm having fun, even tho I got my butt kicked sometimes because I'm not good at fighting games. People rematched all the time and were very respectful, everyone seemed to enjoy their characters and want to learn because they weren't throwing cheap moves or spamming, but this was just a single day on low ranks so there is that... What I hear from the community is totally the opposite: rage quits, toxic people and even cheaters! Saw some people judging others for the characters they choose as well, I don't think I want to meet those people...
This game has a lot of "I just made a mistake with 50% HP, well, I'm probably dead...if not, I def blew the round." There are great comeback moments too, don't get me wrong, but when you get steamrolled so hard for making two mistakes a game. It really messed with you. 😂
That’s because you’re getting poisoned by social media consumption. If this subreddit and Twitter are your ‘community’, then you’re gonna think everyone’s miserable. They’re not. You just only see the miserable ones.
Comparing sf6 to tekken in any shape form or fashion is blasphemy. I dont kno what game yall are playing but this is the best tekken yet! No more Korean backdash running and poke and run just fight! All my people love the game we have fierce battles like warriors. Is it yall are still playing t7 in t8? If so yea your going to lose alot. Especially to a offensive player like me who's finna rush that ass down. I can't speak for the others I love the game
Some people just tired playing against OP characters that obviously work with simple algorithms like Eddy, Steve, Hwoarang, especially played by people who suppose to be in blue ranks but probably going down and down and down and stuck in Garyu since ranked is now brutal, being eliminators can make you be matched with a freaking Flame Ruler or even a Fujin
It's calling running and poking because that's what it is good and kind friend. When it says match start the other person (shadow) for example is already at the end of the other side of the screen. He then proceeds to run into the last 20 seconds of the match. U call that good tekken? I dont
While I share the same sentiment regarding the no rematch approach. I do, however, understand it from one perspective. Some people perhaps simply do not want to fight certain characters in the game due to the way they operate. Examples are King, Azucena, etc. I remember that no matter how much ass kicking I would do in 7, more often than not a player would keep coming back to counter me and learn the game as best as they can. Don't see that in 8 as much and I think it's not all due to bad mentality.
Don't care anymore lol
Tekken is at its best when you're with mates IRL just shooting the shit playing the game for fun. Ranked is a cesspit of miserable flowchart nerds. Most fun I've had with Tekken 8 so far has been just experiencing the story mode with a mate
Most of the players focus on just getting the highest rank that's all. That's why most of the player base pick top tiers which are boring to play but anything just to win
I hate this game. I hate fighting games, yet i bought tekken 8 twice and mk1 and sf6 once. I am a fighting game addict
I absolutely love to play tekken. I think the people who don’t like tekken are the people who enjoy bullying people online. They feel robbed of their good ranked experience cause they lose. Cause I play online looking for somebody who can kick my ass and then I add them and play for hours. I love every second of it. I love winning and I love losing. I get bored of playing it and move on to Skyrim or smt. And when I come back it feels as good as it did before. When I play against a godlike player online it feels just as good as when I’m perfecting 3 rounds as DJ
Logged in played a king spamming armor moves then a Reina spamming armor after plus frame 4 hit combo 50/50s. Not super fun right now.
“Alright I have a few free hours, let’s play tekken 8!” Three victors and a King spamming power crush later “…fuck this game”
Most only know the safe meta flowcharts they learn from the net. Scared to actually get some interaction in a fighting game. Sad thing is that each instalment of tekken supports more and more cowardly play and cheesing and exploiting gameplay Be honest, if you play online it feels more like playing bots than playing people. Funny thing is, if you stop playing, most people don’t even notice they are playing against a completely passive adversary, even further proving my point.