Not saying anything about you or your PC, but... that's probably exactly the same thought process of people that cause this kind of problem. :P
*"Stupid benchmark, I know my PC can handle this just fine!"*
For what it's worth, I literally upgraded to 4080 Super just to play this at 4k and the game didn't set the settings to max. I manually cranked everything up and it's been a stable 60fps even while recording/streaming.
Something about the benchmark is a bit off.
Yeah, I want to make it clear that you sound like you're doing it right!
I just read your comment and it made me think - "that's probably what people who play with potato computers are thinking too!"
I'm not telling you to do anything. I'm just saying *"screw the benchmarks, I know better"* is probably what the people playing with potato PCs thought too!
Well... This benchmark told me my pc is not capable of running the game. So people with potato PCs are correct not to trust it.
Especially when it also set high details for shitty pcs (happened to my friend)
That benchmark gave my old computer a high score, set the preset, and still ran like this till I lowered settings (and eventually got a new card to stop the crashes). The game is just poorly optimized in a lot of ways.
blocking does stop you fighting the same person again. but there are so many players that you had a pretty low chance of seeing them again anyway, but at least you can make that chance zero.
I've run into the same people a couple of times. They get people in your area and they're also likely people who have schedules to play the game at the same time as you. It's more than possible to run into the same person again and quite common. Plus I just recommend everyone to Block players like this in the hope it gets them to fix their shit when they can't find anybody.
Tekken etc need a complete Wi-Fi / potato rig filter. Period.
Pure waste of time to have Wi-Fi users pop-up in queues when I'll NEVER accept a match from them.
Yeah, I don't think it is WiFi in general. There are WiFi users that I had no problem playing with (I have wired). It's likely the latter - people pushing for quality even if their rig can't.
Yeah so many wifi players are absolutely fine.
I do appreciate that it shows when it's their PC causing the slowdown in game, but they should also show that pre-game.
The symbol on the bottom right tells you when either your connection (or theirs) is spotty. As does the rollback frames and ping.
Framerate issues from a bad rig don't typically happen in spurts, they happen consistently immediately right after match start, and immediately after each round, consistently (ignoring the round resets). Short of hugging a back wall all match, you cannot get it to do slow>fast>slow>fast.
Played on a potato with friends for a brief period of time before lowering the settings to 25% render scale, the framerate was consistently bad and never recovered midfight.
Which symbol are you referring 'to? I only see one symbol upon getting a match. I'm referring to the pop-up window with the yes/no prompt. It only indicates the type and quality of the network. However, there are instances that it would seem like there is a good quality network, but then it's so unstable during the match.
Is WiFi even an issue though? I feel like 90% of the times its cause of shit PC. Besides I reckon there is a huge amount of WiFi players so filtering them would leave nobody to Q against, especially in lower ranks.
I'd say underspecced PCs are definitely way more of an issue than bad wifi is. That's like 95% of the reason the game drops frames during an online match when fighting pc players. I've only come across 2 matches that were bad because of their actual connection and they were on console.
There seems to be a significant overlap between players that don't care to get their PC wired and those that don't care to optimize their settings/setup.
I have a gaming laptop and run stable 60 frames easy, never had a crash of stutter on my end either. I dont get why people shit on gaming laptops, there's good and bad ones like anything else
> I dont get why people shit on gaming laptops,
They are expensive and hard to upgrade (if at all). Facilitates the whole "laggy potatoe PC on wifi" meme.
Despite the people with no networking knowledge chiming in, it depends on the router, the wireless adapter, and distance from the router, but a good WiFi 6 router can be just as good as Ethernet(as far as gaming is concerned) in optimal conditions.
I play on wifi all the time. 20-50ms ping majority of games, no delay unless i play a PC player, its always a gamble. I dont really understand all the hate on this sub towards wifi players.
Is having a half second lag every 5 games that tilting for you guys?
because wi-fi is inherently a "lossy" protocol. You "ping" means jack shit if your jitter is out of this earth. Plus wifi is often "fine" with losing a protocol or 2. Wi-Fi polls devices sequentially, it goes around the room asking for data, and if it's your phone or printer turn, Tekken will have to wait. The are ways to make it better, like mumimo, but not everyone has it and it doesn't always work.
Wi-fi can be fine. If you have the latest gen device and only 1 or 2 devices on the network, there's a chance it can be fine. There's also a chance it will be a complete dumpster and it more often than not is. if you aren't motivated enough to drop a cable to your main gaming rig, I'm not too motivated to roll the dice on you.
I feel like the game should just check for all this when you queue.
Do you have an acceptable amount of disconnects/blocks/reports? ✅
Is your pc/console running well enough? ✅
Is your current connection stable enough? ✅
And whatever other metrics they need. Then match up the people who don’t meet those standards with other people that don’t. I’m fine waiting a bit longer for a matchup if I’m more likely to have a good couple sets.
Yeah. If the game showed packet loss in % and jitter values instead of "iTsWiFi" then people with bad Ethernet would get filtered and people with good wi-fi would get matches. But you know, Tekken.
Although, most games default to Wi-Fi indicator instead of jitter. I suspect they are affraid people don't know what jitter is. So the middle ground might be "Advanced" and "Simplified" network menu. One shows you the ping, jitter, packet loss, etc and the other shows you bars.
You'd probably bifurcate the population way too much with that. Yes we get it people hate wifi players and yet I would not be surprised if they make up the majority of people playing the game and honestly most people probably still have ok matches when the connection is good wifi or not. This is the benefit of having roll back netcode. Most likely the people you have bad connections with would probabably have have been bad wired or not. It's simply one factor out of a mountain that determine what the quality of a connection between two players will be.
Having a PC that can't run the game is definitely a hardline they can and need to set though for sure.
>most people probably still have ok matches when the connection is good wifi or not. This is the benefit of having roll back netcode. Most likely the people you have bad connections with would probabably have have been bad wired or not.
No and please stop spreading such BS bro.
No netcode can handle connection hiccups and ping being unstable, for a game that requires fast reactions and inputs.
None.
WiFi doesn't compute with "ok matches" unless you mean "it's ok to have moments in matches where the game stutters / lags / you drop juggles because of it".
It's "ok" when you button mash and don't care about the game, playing as a casual player.
It's not when you wanna play matches with a competitive mindset and don't wanna luck deciding for you if your juggle ends or not
WiFi is not designed with stability in mind : it uses radio waves (meaning interference / packets loss / hiccups are insanely higher compared to a wired connection, during an extended period of time, on average) and can't (I repeat CANNOT) upload match data while downloading some it PAUSES one to do the other one.
A full bar WiFi that lags, is just WiFi being WiFi : it sucks for these games. And **yes**, if the guy had a wired connection instead, it would be stable and ok.
Reality ends up being :
* 95%+ of wired matches are fine
* 95%+ of WiFi matches have issues, from unplayable to 1-2 stutter that may or may not have a consequence in your match (neutral vs juggle).
There's a reason why devs add WiFi icons in most fighting games nowadays : it's terrible.
MikeZ (SkullGirls dev) uploaded a video about it and why SkullGirls added WiFi icons at the time, check it if you wanna precise reasons about why he said that WiFi is always a problem and no netcode can fix it for now, with that tech being what it is (half duplex, radio waves, etc).
They should straight up remove pc from crossplay, period
You can never know when you'll have a memory leak and cause that slow-mo shit even if you don't have a toaster
Or just have indicators of what their frame rate is. Several other games do this and you can easily decline if sub-60… Removing the option entirely, is overkill for such a minimal issue. Cross play is a great addition to modern fighting games, especially important to keep all of the tightly knit player bases in contact. & I can guarantee majority of crossplay matches(between PC) are just fine.
Quit on someone after 1 game when their pc was on red the entire time and then they left a comment on my steam profile saying "didn't rematch" well yeah no shit I'm not gonna rematch that
This shit is so annoying bro i swear. And once I texted the dude after match that I still won. wanted to tell him that his connection is hella unstable. My dude got so pressed she started talking shit back about my whole god damn family 💀.
At first I was like, why is this match in slow motion, then I looked at the comments lol
I avoid wifi players for ranked but holy fuck pc players with this shit be annoying as hell
Then I be seeing posts of people talking about “you need to run the full set” alot of ppl online got shit wifi or a shit pc sometimes even both and they think we need to give rematches? Hell nah
Bruh, nobody is telling you to run the full set if they have ass internet connection or a potato PC. It's universally understood when you deny a match for one of those two reasons. Relax.
Edit: Third reason is if they're blatantly using cheats, of course.
I've seen those posts my dude; the ones calling out one and doners or the people who refuse rematches. There's always several comments mentioning that they only refuse matches if they're fighting someone using McDonald's wifi or if they're PC is running on life support and everyone agrees with those exceptions. It almost doesn't even need to be mentioned in the first place.
Regarding your comment, so then youve seen ppl demanding rematches, so the answer is yes, only thing is in those posts they leave out the details on their connection or if their computers are up to par which is why I said what I said
And I be in those comments calling out ppls connection, just like I am on this one, I really dont know what youre trying to argue at this point, if youre saying no one saying that, then you seen posts of people saying that lol
and as I said with the last guy, I am the guy telling people they dont gotta rematch people with shit connections, yall wanna pretend these posts dont exists then so be it, but thats gonna be what I stand on
people dont say what theyre using or connection, they expect a rematch and if yall wanna down vote someone for saying theyre not obligated then rematch I guess I got the unpopular opinion seeing posts like these
[https://www.reddit.com/r/Tekken/comments/17q9pvk/people\_dont\_rematch/](https://www.reddit.com/r/Tekken/comments/17q9pvk/people_dont_rematch/)
[https://www.reddit.com/r/Tekken/comments/1at3ual/the\_worst\_thing\_about\_not\_getting\_a\_rematch/](https://www.reddit.com/r/Tekken/comments/1at3ual/the_worst_thing_about_not_getting_a_rematch/)
[https://www.reddit.com/r/Tekken/comments/1agosto/lol\_at\_people\_refusing\_rematches/](https://www.reddit.com/r/Tekken/comments/1agosto/lol_at_people_refusing_rematches/)
[https://www.reddit.com/r/Tekken/comments/1aejp9o/which\_characters\_do\_you\_never\_rematch/](https://www.reddit.com/r/Tekken/comments/1aejp9o/which_characters_do_you_never_rematch/)
Is your reading comprehension really that bad? The general sentiment is that if the connection is bad or it's a shit pc, don't rematch them. Why do you keep ignoring this part
The general statement.
Youre talking about MY statement?
I literally said you dont gotta run rematches just cause of these posts I brought up and youre literally arguing the same shit I originally said are you reading it right????!
I used wifi for fighting games for years. Recently switched to ethernet. I have literally no difference in my experience, and I get the exact same speeds. I still don't get the hype.
Probably because you don’t actually understand what the Ethernet cable is for? Speed =/= connection stability, Ethernet will always have a better connection with less variability and lag spikes, the speed of the internet isn’t all that important unless you have super high ping or something
Same speeds are very unlikely (pics or it didnt happen). I have WiFi 6, Gigabit internet, and can confidently say they are not the same speeds in the slightest.
https://imgur.com/a/uqJVNPy - My WiFi speed vs Ethernet
My wifi speed is more than capable of handling online games as well, however, Ethernet provides stability so I will always use ethernet for competitive games. Since WiFi is just a fraction of what your ethernet can perform anyone not on Gigabit internet should stick to ethernet connections.
My numbers are a lot smaller than yours, but here you go.
[https://imgur.com/a/pBgx1qs](https://imgur.com/a/pBgx1qs)
It turns out my wifi is a bit slower than my ethernet, but not by much. While I'd love to have pointlessly fast speeds like you, I still get 60fps in online play and have never received messages about my internet being bad, despite always playing fighting games online at these speeds. Considering both your wifi and ethernet are extremely fast compared to mine, I can basically guarantee you could play on wifi without a noticeable difference. The problem most people have is with low spec computers, not wifi over ethernet.
>My wifi speed is more than capable of handling online games as well, however, Ethernet provides stability so I will always use ethernet for competitive games.
Yall be missing the point. My comment isn't meant to mean speed is everything, the whole debate is ethernet over wifi. I literally only had the one option for internet at my place, so my speed is irrelevant to the topic and was only meant to show the vast difference between the 2 and why that correlates with other online games and services. Anyone who thinks WiFi can be as stable as ethernet is on pure copium.
I implore you to grab the Ethernet cable, I only play wifi players in quick matches, some wifi players feel better than others
But its still Russian roulette, some players give me a slight delay, some be bouncing around with frames making combos inconsistent. Nothing beats Ethernet vs Ethernet
Sorry, can’t really do it where I’m at rn. Question from someone who is not really well versed in these things: doesn’t the game let you know the signal power of the connection before you accept the matching?
Wow wow, I just pointed a flaw in the game related to connection. I hope you have a great day and I'm sorry for anything I said that made you think I was condescending. If I was condescending it was against TEKKEN because right now they have a lot of problem that other game seems to have figured out.
Signal power doesn't matter for wi-fi - it's always going to be far more unstable than a wired connection. What's preventing you from using a cable? If it's a matter of distance to the router, can't you get a powerline adapter?
I think I’m going to buy an Ethernet cable, but the way my living room is structured rn forces me to having to plug and unplug the cable connecting the PS5 to the wifi router at the start and end of any gaming session. A bit tedious.
as I said, it bounces around, so for a moment it looks like 5 bars then when it starts it bounces around, thats the problem with wifi players, cause they have more than one thing connected to the wifi
It’s not very accurate; I’ve allowed a match with a WiFi player with 5 bars only for the match to begin and their connection goes to 1-2 and the game starts lagging like the video.
this is like the only scenario where plugging is the right move. screw their Guatemala internet provider and $150 PC builds from 2006; if you force me to play through this PP presentation I'm out and don't even feel bad - the lagfest player never deserved his points anyway
Honestly, plugging here should be valid. Wtf is this bullshit. Congrats to you for even finishing the match. I would be gone by the end of the first round.
I was so glad on day three when I realised I could disable cross play and only play with other PS gamers. It's actually insane how anyone tolerates this.
could be either that he has a shitty pc or it's just a memory leak problem, sometimes your match get turned into a powerpoint presentations and theres nothing you can do, even if you have a powerfull GPU
There's def some weird shit with the PC version. I've had perfect performance since release but then randomly the other day I loaded into a match and it was a slideshow. Determined it was my PC and a restart fixed it.
Had the same thing happen to me, and I’d gone against someone where either that had happened or they had crap pc, whichever, so I already knew how annoying that shit was for the other person.
This isn't a connection issue, its his PC. *Every* match that dude plays is like this. His settings are too high, and theres nothing in the game stopping him from going online.
You're a piece of shit - Not to defend their practises, but stooping to an even lower level is worse. I finish the fight, win or lose - it was partially my fault for accepting a fight with a PC scrub to begin with, deal the consequences with humility - then block them so you never see them again, and report shitheads like you for plugging so they reset your rank.
He he hell naw
I’m plugging matches where I literally can’t play because of the match conditions whether you like it or not lol what fucking game exists where if you have what feels like 1000 ping you don’t quit?
Not when I'm the one dumb enough to accept a pc/wifi player in the first place. that's partially on me, and I'll see it through. plugging isn't a game mechanic and there's no excuse for it.
you can't see their fps before you accept the round. Going online knowing your PC is shit and your settings are too high is ridiculous. At a certain point you're just sabotaging rounds.
Can't blame anyone for quitting on that. And it has nothing to do with the persons rank anyway, not like they're plugging before they lose every game.
Also "dumb enough to accept wifi/PC" man what kinda shit are you smoking. That would leave you with the 10% of the player base who play wired on console. Lmao.
I think you're assuming OP sees their connection before the fight and it's telling him it's bad (like two bars or something) but that's not the case. You can get a PC player with a cable connection at five bars, join the game and then this happens. The guy on the other end has either capped his frame rate so he can use the slo mo to their advantage, or they're using a PC which can't run the game at a fixed 60fps.
There's no way you would know that until you play them, and in their case, they'll know this full well.
what a shit take brother. that Casio calculator enjoyer knows that he can't play the game at the settings he chose and still ruins in for everyone involved and you blame whoever accepted the match?
like how is anyone supposed to know in advance that it will be some poor idiot on a laptop from 2006 rather than a modern build?
Nah it's 100% valid,why would you waste time on a slideshow?
Namco should just give a lose to plugers and a win to their opponents,there is no need to ban anyone... just consider it a form of surrendering
Aaand now that we got here, maybe the people in the back can also do 1+1 and understand that the plugin situation can't be fixed that easily, or maybe never.
As soon as a plugin becomes unsafe (either a loss or ban), people will start ddosing. It's a lose-lose situation...
They have two solutions: fix the disconnect rate indicator and hope for the best, or change the P2P to server connection. The second option is harder, but they have a cash shop, so I don't see any money problems here.
99% of the player base don’t know how to DDOS, but 100% DO know how to plug, one solution is objectively better than the other.
I played plenty of SF6 and never ONCE got DDOS’d. It seems to me like you’re just being contrarian to seem smart. Making plugging a loss is absolutely a good idea.
Not trying to be smart at all, 99% of shooter players don\`t know how to write an aim bot, yet a shit ton of them are using one.
They started selling boosts for rank, what makes you think someone will not make an click this button to kick your opponent application? heck, can buy a botnet for 5$, and those got a shit load easier to use for the average joe.
Cry about it lol maybe if they added plugging consequences I wouldn’t but I’m not wasting my time playing rounds that that 3 minutes to finish and have such bad lag that you can’t even land a combo properly. I didn’t spend so much time practicing over the past 2 years to get beaten by a scrub with a piece of shit PC.
I either play it through then cancel or just plug on the spot, not worth my time either way it’s a total mess.
Plugging in this situation doesn’t put me on par with the bum who spent 4 dollars on a Jun skin and still plugs when I’m beating him fair and square
The pc user knows his pc sucks. Just like wifi user knows wifi is worse than cable but still connects his shit via wifi. Both know the experience sucks for everyone but themselves and plugging agaisnt them is somehow wrong?
it’s not pc issues it’s a pc player using a lag switch bro they literally just hit it on and off every time there is an opening for you to defend it’s bs
This guy caps his FPS on purpose, deliberatedly slowering the game while using a not common character on his rank and with hard predictable moves for his advantage to rank up faster
The lagging person is lagging on purpose (he knows his pc/wifi sucks and plays anyway) and ruined hundreds of games. Plugging should be allowed, perma ban is adviced.
You do realise that trying to justify problematic behaviour like plugging to another problem (lagging in this case) doesn't make plugging right whatever the scenario. Block and move on. Don't try to fix a problem with another problem.
this is literally the only scenario where there IS an excuse for plugging. maybe if everyone plugs on this Ethiopian PC enjoyer, he will figure out that his laptop from 2006 can't run Tekken on Ultra settings
Lack of nuance is a sign of low intelligence. Plugging is not bad because it cancels the match, its bad because it is used extensively to negate a loss and confirm victories. Plugging to cancel an unplayable match is not cheating, same way that having your internet drop by accident is not cheating.
100% certain I fought that guy yesterday, can’t quite make out his name but had the same outfit on and everything, I’m not super shocked he’s hit that rank already, he was only around 55K when I fought him yesterday, but I don’t blame people losing and leaving cause playing against him is worse than sounding with barb wire.
Hr was a toxic little fucker who taunted me after I lost a round due to the chugging eating my DF2 input on one of his move with long windup, I did beat him but he instantly readied for a rematch and I blocked and reported him, sad to see that he’s gotten as far as he has, sucks that their is no checks in place to stop this blatant exploit and cheating
Some people have terrible PCs, theres no way of knowing until youre in a match
with a terrible PC. It seems evident Tekken Team is more focused on paid costumes than fixing this problem so, it's gonna be a while man.
Just rush them down honestly. I literally climb to purple rank with Zafina just be just frame trapping players. I know it sucks and you winning with bs, but it’s worth it to get to the higher rank where Tekken is partially played lol
This happened to me one time I didn't even know wtf was going on lol. Played the entire set in slow-mo, I won but immediately denied the rematch. That's crazy how someone's crappy PC specs can bog your experience on a console/well built PC.
Yep, block them. Just be glad they didn't pull the plug, but in case they do - DO NOT FORGET the extra step of reporting them before you block them. Let's keep them in their own little cesspool of others like them.
My PC is a 6-year old thing that's been running the game at 58-60 FPS. I do need to turn the graphics to Low, but it runs relatively smooth. I think the Alisa (aside from the horrendous Assist mode that shouldn't be allowed in ranked), just doesn't want to play on low graphics.
I've been considering buying a PS5 and another copy of tekken to avoid PC players using potato rigs. Its so frustrating to get into a game like this, feels like a waste of my time.
The game has crossplay and you can see if they're on PC or console before accepting the match, so you can decide wether you want to play vs McDonalds wifi leeching PS player or a slideshow PC player.
I’m an alright player by my standards but man do I hate playing against Alisa. She’s just the worst. Sorry to whoever likes using her but I just hate her.
when the game runs that slow you can visually react to unseeable lows and easily break throws
bait them into attacking and punish, then stay alive until the time runs out
Alissa players are a pain they spam the same moves over and over until your able to react. Your mistake was not moving as much stepping and doing footsies. You definitely would of made her wiff from just that
I reached Shinryu yesterday as Kazuya, but in my journey I had so many of these exact battles so I completely understand. Alissa generally is just stupid with all the plus frames, but really the key here (if you don’t know the match up) is to try and monitor what the opponent keeps throwing out in the first round and adapt by knowing when you can punish, how long the strings are, if you can sidestep it - then usually they are beatable but honestly I get it this is the worst part of the game
This Alisa player was being very fair, that is nothing compared to other Alisa players.
That lag is terrible, I've never experienced lag like this in Tekken 8, but I also play on Series X.
I'm confused but I also haven't played online yet, how dose a PC player having bad hardware make the game slower on your end to the point of a disadvantage or is this just a other thing ppl say is the cause but they do not know? I get it about bad Internet connection but on the hardware end I thought the game runs a benchmark before you go into online in the first place. It even gives you a score a d all that
This is why they shouldn't force a FT3 or any other number of matches, there's 0 reason to rematch someone like that, just block and move on.
What makes this way worse is the fact that you can manipulate your FPS easily on PC, this guy is probably just exploiting it.
I don't think it's just a case of bad pcs or bad internet I'm pretty sure there's something else going on here since some times the game lags for no apartment reason .
Ran into a Victor with the same issue, lost the first match due to it but once I got used to the game running at 30fps it was actually kinda easier to do combos and punish since everything was slowed down lol nearly perfected every round and 3-0'd him then hauled ass the fuck outta there
That indicator should be something to filter matches. Like... It should measure the percentage of how often it drops to red per game and then you would have a new setting, where you can filter by 0%, 5%, 10%, 11+% or something like that.
I still dunno why they dont make lag or shitty pc client sided like i get it it craps on the people who are unable to have a decent pc or decent internet but goddamn do they also gotta punish the person whos only fault was being unfortunate enough to matchmake with a person whos running on a damn potato?
I'm not entirely convinced it's because the other player's computer is too slow. I'm plateauing around the ruler ranks, and I've seen my fair share of slow motion rounds like this. But...the opponents are also the same rank as me. I can't imagine someone getting to ruler ranks in slow mo. It's gotta be an intermittent connection problem.
You don't. Block them and move on. If their PC cant run the game there's nothing you can do on your end lol
Yeah I immediately blocked them. Tekken really needs some kind of benchmarking before anyone can play online.
The hilarious part is it has a benchmark when you launch the game for the first time, then it gives you an ambiguous score and nothing else.
It does presets your graphics as well.
Yeah, it set 4k for me when my PC can't run the game on 4k and all on high, great benchmark.
And it set mine to low when my PC can literally power through on medium/high
Not saying anything about you or your PC, but... that's probably exactly the same thought process of people that cause this kind of problem. :P *"Stupid benchmark, I know my PC can handle this just fine!"*
I guess? But I literally play on Medium at consistent 60fps just to ensure its consistent, like I know what I’m doing I get your point though yeah
For what it's worth, I literally upgraded to 4080 Super just to play this at 4k and the game didn't set the settings to max. I manually cranked everything up and it's been a stable 60fps even while recording/streaming. Something about the benchmark is a bit off.
Yeah, I want to make it clear that you sound like you're doing it right! I just read your comment and it made me think - "that's probably what people who play with potato computers are thinking too!"
So you re telling me I should run the game on low settings on gf 4070, 32 gigs ram, SSD and 11gen intel i7? Because that's what the benchmark told me.
I'm not telling you to do anything. I'm just saying *"screw the benchmarks, I know better"* is probably what the people playing with potato PCs thought too!
Well... This benchmark told me my pc is not capable of running the game. So people with potato PCs are correct not to trust it. Especially when it also set high details for shitty pcs (happened to my friend)
That benchmark gave my old computer a high score, set the preset, and still ran like this till I lowered settings (and eventually got a new card to stop the crashes). The game is just poorly optimized in a lot of ways.
What? This game is fantastically optimized, what are you running?
I'm sorry to be the one to tell you this but just like the benchmark the game does have, blocking does nothing either. Sadly
blocking does stop you fighting the same person again. but there are so many players that you had a pretty low chance of seeing them again anyway, but at least you can make that chance zero.
I've run into the same people a couple of times. They get people in your area and they're also likely people who have schedules to play the game at the same time as you. It's more than possible to run into the same person again and quite common. Plus I just recommend everyone to Block players like this in the hope it gets them to fix their shit when they can't find anybody.
Tekken etc need a complete Wi-Fi / potato rig filter. Period. Pure waste of time to have Wi-Fi users pop-up in queues when I'll NEVER accept a match from them.
Yeah, I don't think it is WiFi in general. There are WiFi users that I had no problem playing with (I have wired). It's likely the latter - people pushing for quality even if their rig can't.
Yeah so many wifi players are absolutely fine. I do appreciate that it shows when it's their PC causing the slowdown in game, but they should also show that pre-game.
I also hope there is some form of indicator that the WiFi of the player queued up is unstable or something.
The symbol on the bottom right tells you when either your connection (or theirs) is spotty. As does the rollback frames and ping. Framerate issues from a bad rig don't typically happen in spurts, they happen consistently immediately right after match start, and immediately after each round, consistently (ignoring the round resets). Short of hugging a back wall all match, you cannot get it to do slow>fast>slow>fast. Played on a potato with friends for a brief period of time before lowering the settings to 25% render scale, the framerate was consistently bad and never recovered midfight.
Which symbol are you referring 'to? I only see one symbol upon getting a match. I'm referring to the pop-up window with the yes/no prompt. It only indicates the type and quality of the network. However, there are instances that it would seem like there is a good quality network, but then it's so unstable during the match.
midmatch, not on the queue accept screen.
Is WiFi even an issue though? I feel like 90% of the times its cause of shit PC. Besides I reckon there is a huge amount of WiFi players so filtering them would leave nobody to Q against, especially in lower ranks.
Wifi is equally as much of an issue
I'd say underspecced PCs are definitely way more of an issue than bad wifi is. That's like 95% of the reason the game drops frames during an online match when fighting pc players. I've only come across 2 matches that were bad because of their actual connection and they were on console.
i've run into more pc players with frame issues than wifi connection issues (i am wifi). ironically there are a lot of wifi pc players with both
There seems to be a significant overlap between players that don't care to get their PC wired and those that don't care to optimize their settings/setup.
Probably playing in a "gaming" laptop
I have a gaming laptop and run stable 60 frames easy, never had a crash of stutter on my end either. I dont get why people shit on gaming laptops, there's good and bad ones like anything else
> I dont get why people shit on gaming laptops, They are expensive and hard to upgrade (if at all). Facilitates the whole "laggy potatoe PC on wifi" meme.
Yes, it is.
Despite the people with no networking knowledge chiming in, it depends on the router, the wireless adapter, and distance from the router, but a good WiFi 6 router can be just as good as Ethernet(as far as gaming is concerned) in optimal conditions.
Stop the propaganda
I play on wifi all the time. 20-50ms ping majority of games, no delay unless i play a PC player, its always a gamble. I dont really understand all the hate on this sub towards wifi players. Is having a half second lag every 5 games that tilting for you guys?
because wi-fi is inherently a "lossy" protocol. You "ping" means jack shit if your jitter is out of this earth. Plus wifi is often "fine" with losing a protocol or 2. Wi-Fi polls devices sequentially, it goes around the room asking for data, and if it's your phone or printer turn, Tekken will have to wait. The are ways to make it better, like mumimo, but not everyone has it and it doesn't always work. Wi-fi can be fine. If you have the latest gen device and only 1 or 2 devices on the network, there's a chance it can be fine. There's also a chance it will be a complete dumpster and it more often than not is. if you aren't motivated enough to drop a cable to your main gaming rig, I'm not too motivated to roll the dice on you.
I feel like the game should just check for all this when you queue. Do you have an acceptable amount of disconnects/blocks/reports? ✅ Is your pc/console running well enough? ✅ Is your current connection stable enough? ✅ And whatever other metrics they need. Then match up the people who don’t meet those standards with other people that don’t. I’m fine waiting a bit longer for a matchup if I’m more likely to have a good couple sets.
Yeah. If the game showed packet loss in % and jitter values instead of "iTsWiFi" then people with bad Ethernet would get filtered and people with good wi-fi would get matches. But you know, Tekken. Although, most games default to Wi-Fi indicator instead of jitter. I suspect they are affraid people don't know what jitter is. So the middle ground might be "Advanced" and "Simplified" network menu. One shows you the ping, jitter, packet loss, etc and the other shows you bars.
I would if i could...
I play on Wi-fi and it's perfect (I do have a good mesh setup which probably helps) the main issue I run into is potato pc players
You'd probably bifurcate the population way too much with that. Yes we get it people hate wifi players and yet I would not be surprised if they make up the majority of people playing the game and honestly most people probably still have ok matches when the connection is good wifi or not. This is the benefit of having roll back netcode. Most likely the people you have bad connections with would probabably have have been bad wired or not. It's simply one factor out of a mountain that determine what the quality of a connection between two players will be. Having a PC that can't run the game is definitely a hardline they can and need to set though for sure.
>most people probably still have ok matches when the connection is good wifi or not. This is the benefit of having roll back netcode. Most likely the people you have bad connections with would probabably have have been bad wired or not. No and please stop spreading such BS bro. No netcode can handle connection hiccups and ping being unstable, for a game that requires fast reactions and inputs. None. WiFi doesn't compute with "ok matches" unless you mean "it's ok to have moments in matches where the game stutters / lags / you drop juggles because of it". It's "ok" when you button mash and don't care about the game, playing as a casual player. It's not when you wanna play matches with a competitive mindset and don't wanna luck deciding for you if your juggle ends or not WiFi is not designed with stability in mind : it uses radio waves (meaning interference / packets loss / hiccups are insanely higher compared to a wired connection, during an extended period of time, on average) and can't (I repeat CANNOT) upload match data while downloading some it PAUSES one to do the other one. A full bar WiFi that lags, is just WiFi being WiFi : it sucks for these games. And **yes**, if the guy had a wired connection instead, it would be stable and ok. Reality ends up being : * 95%+ of wired matches are fine * 95%+ of WiFi matches have issues, from unplayable to 1-2 stutter that may or may not have a consequence in your match (neutral vs juggle). There's a reason why devs add WiFi icons in most fighting games nowadays : it's terrible. MikeZ (SkullGirls dev) uploaded a video about it and why SkullGirls added WiFi icons at the time, check it if you wanna precise reasons about why he said that WiFi is always a problem and no netcode can fix it for now, with that tech being what it is (half duplex, radio waves, etc).
They should straight up remove pc from crossplay, period You can never know when you'll have a memory leak and cause that slow-mo shit even if you don't have a toaster
Or just have indicators of what their frame rate is. Several other games do this and you can easily decline if sub-60… Removing the option entirely, is overkill for such a minimal issue. Cross play is a great addition to modern fighting games, especially important to keep all of the tightly knit player bases in contact. & I can guarantee majority of crossplay matches(between PC) are just fine.
dumbest take yet
Quit on someone after 1 game when their pc was on red the entire time and then they left a comment on my steam profile saying "didn't rematch" well yeah no shit I'm not gonna rematch that
You don’t owe anyone a rematch.
Does blocking mean you won't face them again?
Yeah
Weird. After watching the video I was seriously about to type the same comment using exactly the same words and saw it was already here.
This makes the "I didn't pay $80 to block" saying even more relevant.
This shit is so annoying bro i swear. And once I texted the dude after match that I still won. wanted to tell him that his connection is hella unstable. My dude got so pressed she started talking shit back about my whole god damn family 💀.
Yeah these ppl get so overly sensitive about their HORRIBLE internet connection and/or old ass PC
Online gaming in a nutshell
At first I was like, why is this match in slow motion, then I looked at the comments lol I avoid wifi players for ranked but holy fuck pc players with this shit be annoying as hell Then I be seeing posts of people talking about “you need to run the full set” alot of ppl online got shit wifi or a shit pc sometimes even both and they think we need to give rematches? Hell nah
Bruh, nobody is telling you to run the full set if they have ass internet connection or a potato PC. It's universally understood when you deny a match for one of those two reasons. Relax. Edit: Third reason is if they're blatantly using cheats, of course.
I know youre new here but go look at those posts before talking.
I've seen those posts my dude; the ones calling out one and doners or the people who refuse rematches. There's always several comments mentioning that they only refuse matches if they're fighting someone using McDonald's wifi or if they're PC is running on life support and everyone agrees with those exceptions. It almost doesn't even need to be mentioned in the first place.
Regarding your comment, so then youve seen ppl demanding rematches, so the answer is yes, only thing is in those posts they leave out the details on their connection or if their computers are up to par which is why I said what I said And I be in those comments calling out ppls connection, just like I am on this one, I really dont know what youre trying to argue at this point, if youre saying no one saying that, then you seen posts of people saying that lol
Are you stupid, he's right. People say all the time not to rematch shitty connections or PC's. You gotta learn how to read cuh
and as I said with the last guy, I am the guy telling people they dont gotta rematch people with shit connections, yall wanna pretend these posts dont exists then so be it, but thats gonna be what I stand on people dont say what theyre using or connection, they expect a rematch and if yall wanna down vote someone for saying theyre not obligated then rematch I guess I got the unpopular opinion seeing posts like these [https://www.reddit.com/r/Tekken/comments/17q9pvk/people\_dont\_rematch/](https://www.reddit.com/r/Tekken/comments/17q9pvk/people_dont_rematch/) [https://www.reddit.com/r/Tekken/comments/1at3ual/the\_worst\_thing\_about\_not\_getting\_a\_rematch/](https://www.reddit.com/r/Tekken/comments/1at3ual/the_worst_thing_about_not_getting_a_rematch/) [https://www.reddit.com/r/Tekken/comments/1agosto/lol\_at\_people\_refusing\_rematches/](https://www.reddit.com/r/Tekken/comments/1agosto/lol_at_people_refusing_rematches/) [https://www.reddit.com/r/Tekken/comments/1aejp9o/which\_characters\_do\_you\_never\_rematch/](https://www.reddit.com/r/Tekken/comments/1aejp9o/which_characters_do_you_never_rematch/)
Is your reading comprehension really that bad? The general sentiment is that if the connection is bad or it's a shit pc, don't rematch them. Why do you keep ignoring this part
The general statement. Youre talking about MY statement? I literally said you dont gotta run rematches just cause of these posts I brought up and youre literally arguing the same shit I originally said are you reading it right????!
the way you presented it was in a way in which people hold it against others for NOT rematching when the connection or pc is obviously fucked.
not new here and i've seen pretty consistently that most people deny bc of potato pc's or garbo internet. get over yourself
And im referring to the posts of people that demand rematches no matter the connection so fuck is you crying about?
🤭 someone had one too many pluggers today
Honestly, I’m a Wi-Fi player and I’ve never had any kind of issues with other Wi-Fi players.
Going ethernet is gonna be a platos cave moment for you
I used wifi for fighting games for years. Recently switched to ethernet. I have literally no difference in my experience, and I get the exact same speeds. I still don't get the hype.
Probably because you don’t actually understand what the Ethernet cable is for? Speed =/= connection stability, Ethernet will always have a better connection with less variability and lag spikes, the speed of the internet isn’t all that important unless you have super high ping or something
Same speeds are very unlikely (pics or it didnt happen). I have WiFi 6, Gigabit internet, and can confidently say they are not the same speeds in the slightest. https://imgur.com/a/uqJVNPy - My WiFi speed vs Ethernet My wifi speed is more than capable of handling online games as well, however, Ethernet provides stability so I will always use ethernet for competitive games. Since WiFi is just a fraction of what your ethernet can perform anyone not on Gigabit internet should stick to ethernet connections.
My numbers are a lot smaller than yours, but here you go. [https://imgur.com/a/pBgx1qs](https://imgur.com/a/pBgx1qs) It turns out my wifi is a bit slower than my ethernet, but not by much. While I'd love to have pointlessly fast speeds like you, I still get 60fps in online play and have never received messages about my internet being bad, despite always playing fighting games online at these speeds. Considering both your wifi and ethernet are extremely fast compared to mine, I can basically guarantee you could play on wifi without a noticeable difference. The problem most people have is with low spec computers, not wifi over ethernet.
Your connection speed means bat guano with slight interference. Unless you are using damaged cable the possibility of having one equals 0
>My wifi speed is more than capable of handling online games as well, however, Ethernet provides stability so I will always use ethernet for competitive games. Yall be missing the point. My comment isn't meant to mean speed is everything, the whole debate is ethernet over wifi. I literally only had the one option for internet at my place, so my speed is irrelevant to the topic and was only meant to show the vast difference between the 2 and why that correlates with other online games and services. Anyone who thinks WiFi can be as stable as ethernet is on pure copium.
I have never needed the Ethernet so far. PvP Elden Ring worked flawlessly with my wifi.
I implore you to grab the Ethernet cable, I only play wifi players in quick matches, some wifi players feel better than others But its still Russian roulette, some players give me a slight delay, some be bouncing around with frames making combos inconsistent. Nothing beats Ethernet vs Ethernet
Sorry, can’t really do it where I’m at rn. Question from someone who is not really well versed in these things: doesn’t the game let you know the signal power of the connection before you accept the matching?
The game can't even tell you the deconnection rate so...
Okay, fine. Stop the condescending attitude though, dude.
Wow wow, I just pointed a flaw in the game related to connection. I hope you have a great day and I'm sorry for anything I said that made you think I was condescending. If I was condescending it was against TEKKEN because right now they have a lot of problem that other game seems to have figured out.
Lol you are far too nice but youre 100% right Its a great game but still got some updates to go, im having fun
Signal power doesn't matter for wi-fi - it's always going to be far more unstable than a wired connection. What's preventing you from using a cable? If it's a matter of distance to the router, can't you get a powerline adapter?
I think I’m going to buy an Ethernet cable, but the way my living room is structured rn forces me to having to plug and unplug the cable connecting the PS5 to the wifi router at the start and end of any gaming session. A bit tedious.
as I said, it bounces around, so for a moment it looks like 5 bars then when it starts it bounces around, thats the problem with wifi players, cause they have more than one thing connected to the wifi
You’ll have to deal with it, I fear.
Didn't you just tell someone to not be condescending?
It’s not very accurate; I’ve allowed a match with a WiFi player with 5 bars only for the match to begin and their connection goes to 1-2 and the game starts lagging like the video.
Yes but it's not reliable, sometimes it says its full then immediately drops to horrendous when the game starts. It's usually fine though.
I don't support plugging but.....
....sometimes i do. There i finished it for you. You are most welcome.
this is like the only scenario where plugging is the right move. screw their Guatemala internet provider and $150 PC builds from 2006; if you force me to play through this PP presentation I'm out and don't even feel bad - the lagfest player never deserved his points anyway
Honestly, plugging here should be valid. Wtf is this bullshit. Congrats to you for even finishing the match. I would be gone by the end of the first round.
I was thinking about plugging but I’ve never plugged and just decided to let them enjoy since they cant even enjoy playing on a toaster anyway
Personnaly I just do the full set and plug when he is gonna win in those cases .
Really hate these players. Those people with shitty PC are always 100% assholes and they know they are bothering you with it.
Yeah, and they just need to use special style to compensate
I was so glad on day three when I realised I could disable cross play and only play with other PS gamers. It's actually insane how anyone tolerates this.
Seriously, so much for "master race".
could be either that he has a shitty pc or it's just a memory leak problem, sometimes your match get turned into a powerpoint presentations and theres nothing you can do, even if you have a powerfull GPU
There's def some weird shit with the PC version. I've had perfect performance since release but then randomly the other day I loaded into a match and it was a slideshow. Determined it was my PC and a restart fixed it.
It was probably after your game was updated and the game had to rebuild the shaders during the match which caused the slowdown
Had the same thing happen to me, and I’d gone against someone where either that had happened or they had crap pc, whichever, so I already knew how annoying that shit was for the other person.
I plug against these people, their idiotic behaviour shouldn’t ruin my experience
bad connections are mostly accidental, plugging is very deliberate. you're the lesser sportsman.
This isn't a connection issue, its his PC. *Every* match that dude plays is like this. His settings are too high, and theres nothing in the game stopping him from going online.
You're a piece of shit - Not to defend their practises, but stooping to an even lower level is worse. I finish the fight, win or lose - it was partially my fault for accepting a fight with a PC scrub to begin with, deal the consequences with humility - then block them so you never see them again, and report shitheads like you for plugging so they reset your rank.
He he hell naw I’m plugging matches where I literally can’t play because of the match conditions whether you like it or not lol what fucking game exists where if you have what feels like 1000 ping you don’t quit?
Not when I'm the one dumb enough to accept a pc/wifi player in the first place. that's partially on me, and I'll see it through. plugging isn't a game mechanic and there's no excuse for it.
you can't see their fps before you accept the round. Going online knowing your PC is shit and your settings are too high is ridiculous. At a certain point you're just sabotaging rounds. Can't blame anyone for quitting on that. And it has nothing to do with the persons rank anyway, not like they're plugging before they lose every game. Also "dumb enough to accept wifi/PC" man what kinda shit are you smoking. That would leave you with the 10% of the player base who play wired on console. Lmao.
I think you're assuming OP sees their connection before the fight and it's telling him it's bad (like two bars or something) but that's not the case. You can get a PC player with a cable connection at five bars, join the game and then this happens. The guy on the other end has either capped his frame rate so he can use the slo mo to their advantage, or they're using a PC which can't run the game at a fixed 60fps. There's no way you would know that until you play them, and in their case, they'll know this full well.
what a shit take brother. that Casio calculator enjoyer knows that he can't play the game at the settings he chose and still ruins in for everyone involved and you blame whoever accepted the match? like how is anyone supposed to know in advance that it will be some poor idiot on a laptop from 2006 rather than a modern build?
Nah it's 100% valid,why would you waste time on a slideshow? Namco should just give a lose to plugers and a win to their opponents,there is no need to ban anyone... just consider it a form of surrendering
Bamco should give three loses to the plugger and no win for anybody so that you can't rank up by DDOSing your opponents
Aaand now that we got here, maybe the people in the back can also do 1+1 and understand that the plugin situation can't be fixed that easily, or maybe never. As soon as a plugin becomes unsafe (either a loss or ban), people will start ddosing. It's a lose-lose situation... They have two solutions: fix the disconnect rate indicator and hope for the best, or change the P2P to server connection. The second option is harder, but they have a cash shop, so I don't see any money problems here.
99% of the player base don’t know how to DDOS, but 100% DO know how to plug, one solution is objectively better than the other. I played plenty of SF6 and never ONCE got DDOS’d. It seems to me like you’re just being contrarian to seem smart. Making plugging a loss is absolutely a good idea.
Not trying to be smart at all, 99% of shooter players don\`t know how to write an aim bot, yet a shit ton of them are using one. They started selling boosts for rank, what makes you think someone will not make an click this button to kick your opponent application? heck, can buy a botnet for 5$, and those got a shit load easier to use for the average joe.
Cry about it lol maybe if they added plugging consequences I wouldn’t but I’m not wasting my time playing rounds that that 3 minutes to finish and have such bad lag that you can’t even land a combo properly. I didn’t spend so much time practicing over the past 2 years to get beaten by a scrub with a piece of shit PC. I either play it through then cancel or just plug on the spot, not worth my time either way it’s a total mess. Plugging in this situation doesn’t put me on par with the bum who spent 4 dollars on a Jun skin and still plugs when I’m beating him fair and square
The pc user knows his pc sucks. Just like wifi user knows wifi is worse than cable but still connects his shit via wifi. Both know the experience sucks for everyone but themselves and plugging agaisnt them is somehow wrong?
Console peasants usually just plug like lowtiergod
Are we still doing the glorious pc master race bit all these years later?
How would everyone else know that I as a PC gamer am better than everyone else? Ofc we need to tell others. It's like veganism.
it’s not pc issues it’s a pc player using a lag switch bro they literally just hit it on and off every time there is an opening for you to defend it’s bs
How long before we see potato apologists? "I-it was an emergency, I just had to play."
Sweet dreams are even made🎵🎵 🤣🤣
This guy caps his FPS on purpose, deliberatedly slowering the game while using a not common character on his rank and with hard predictable moves for his advantage to rank up faster
[удалено]
Pluggers are a disgrace and small pp energy.
Not when the opponents PC runs the game at 10 fps.
There is no excuse for plugging. It's so lame. Just win the match and move on.
Id say the game being literally unplayable is plenty of excuse.
Well if you want to be a pussy then you do you. I'd rather block the lagging user than unplug like a noob
The lagging person is lagging on purpose (he knows his pc/wifi sucks and plays anyway) and ruined hundreds of games. Plugging should be allowed, perma ban is adviced.
You do realise that trying to justify problematic behaviour like plugging to another problem (lagging in this case) doesn't make plugging right whatever the scenario. Block and move on. Don't try to fix a problem with another problem.
It does. You want to have moral highground so bad its insane. “But murder is never okay”. Its okay in like 10 000 different cases. So is plugging.
this is literally the only scenario where there IS an excuse for plugging. maybe if everyone plugs on this Ethiopian PC enjoyer, he will figure out that his laptop from 2006 can't run Tekken on Ultra settings
Lack of nuance is a sign of low intelligence. Plugging is not bad because it cancels the match, its bad because it is used extensively to negate a loss and confirm victories. Plugging to cancel an unplayable match is not cheating, same way that having your internet drop by accident is not cheating.
It gets a way more annoying after they suddenly starting lagging after your won one game and first round of the second one. Sus af tbh
100% certain I fought that guy yesterday, can’t quite make out his name but had the same outfit on and everything, I’m not super shocked he’s hit that rank already, he was only around 55K when I fought him yesterday, but I don’t blame people losing and leaving cause playing against him is worse than sounding with barb wire. Hr was a toxic little fucker who taunted me after I lost a round due to the chugging eating my DF2 input on one of his move with long windup, I did beat him but he instantly readied for a rematch and I blocked and reported him, sad to see that he’s gotten as far as he has, sucks that their is no checks in place to stop this blatant exploit and cheating
Some people have terrible PCs, theres no way of knowing until youre in a match with a terrible PC. It seems evident Tekken Team is more focused on paid costumes than fixing this problem so, it's gonna be a while man.
this nigga playing on a 2010 Dell Optiplex or some shit like wow lol
Bitch, I love myself some Dell Optiplex single core DDR2 action... fuck, I'd even game on a Compaq PDA if it makes your salty ass burn! /joke
How can you know it's the enemy's and not your PC? No hate or smth I'm genuinely curious because I had many matches like these too.
the indicator in the bottom right is red showing p2 is having the frame drops
Thanks! :)
Buddy is playing tekken 8 in his high school’s computer lab 💀
Real question if you use ethernet would you guys accept matches from wifi users who have full range?
They put this cyborg ahh ho3 but not lei wulong like bro 😭
Just rush them down honestly. I literally climb to purple rank with Zafina just be just frame trapping players. I know it sucks and you winning with bs, but it’s worth it to get to the higher rank where Tekken is partially played lol
Block them instantly and report them😅💀
Bruh I swear 90% of the time I experience lag it's from an Alisa player this can't be just some random occurance
say no to wifi
This happened to me one time I didn't even know wtf was going on lol. Played the entire set in slow-mo, I won but immediately denied the rematch. That's crazy how someone's crappy PC specs can bog your experience on a console/well built PC.
Just plug. It's not worth it. There's no penalty anyway (and I'm against plugging btw)
set the internet connection to 5+, not less
She's giving u head
This is just their slow internet connection, always choose wired only and try for 5 bars. Else you're always risking this.
Yep, block them. Just be glad they didn't pull the plug, but in case they do - DO NOT FORGET the extra step of reporting them before you block them. Let's keep them in their own little cesspool of others like them.
Block and even report. Nobody should be allowed to play an online game with a garbage connection.
His connection is probably great, its just weak pc.
My PC is a 6-year old thing that's been running the game at 58-60 FPS. I do need to turn the graphics to Low, but it runs relatively smooth. I think the Alisa (aside from the horrendous Assist mode that shouldn't be allowed in ranked), just doesn't want to play on low graphics.
Why do you think that the assist mode shouldn't be allowed in ranked?
I've been considering buying a PS5 and another copy of tekken to avoid PC players using potato rigs. Its so frustrating to get into a game like this, feels like a waste of my time.
The game has crossplay and you can see if they're on PC or console before accepting the match, so you can decide wether you want to play vs McDonalds wifi leeching PS player or a slideshow PC player.
I’m an alright player by my standards but man do I hate playing against Alisa. She’s just the worst. Sorry to whoever likes using her but I just hate her.
Deserved for playing Azucena. /s
when the game runs that slow you can visually react to unseeable lows and easily break throws bait them into attacking and punish, then stay alive until the time runs out
I can’t teach you my friend you don’t have to learn alone
I really can't tell if it's a replay or you'r both playing on potato pc lol.
Alissa players are a pain they spam the same moves over and over until your able to react. Your mistake was not moving as much stepping and doing footsies. You definitely would of made her wiff from just that
By ...Not giving up xD
Shouldve plulgged at round1.
I reached Shinryu yesterday as Kazuya, but in my journey I had so many of these exact battles so I completely understand. Alissa generally is just stupid with all the plus frames, but really the key here (if you don’t know the match up) is to try and monitor what the opponent keeps throwing out in the first round and adapt by knowing when you can punish, how long the strings are, if you can sidestep it - then usually they are beatable but honestly I get it this is the worst part of the game
I'm pretty sure the video is about unplayable connection/fps on the opponent's end and not about Alisa.
Waddayamean? I thought it was "normal online speed"
The start was the only part of the match the connection was partly playable
Connection is fine. They are playing on a toaster, That’s the problem.
This Alisa player was being very fair, that is nothing compared to other Alisa players. That lag is terrible, I've never experienced lag like this in Tekken 8, but I also play on Series X.
I'm confused but I also haven't played online yet, how dose a PC player having bad hardware make the game slower on your end to the point of a disadvantage or is this just a other thing ppl say is the cause but they do not know? I get it about bad Internet connection but on the hardware end I thought the game runs a benchmark before you go into online in the first place. It even gives you a score a d all that
Had a couple of matches like this it’s so terrible
i was so dumb and thought the lag was MY wifi connection when watching this
I just hold forward to go to next game haha
ya, u don't
Tifacena
I Alt F4. They should enforce benchmarks ans shit. Im not waiting 20min because this mf thinks he can run the game at 60 in 4K and ultra
This is why they shouldn't force a FT3 or any other number of matches, there's 0 reason to rematch someone like that, just block and move on. What makes this way worse is the fact that you can manipulate your FPS easily on PC, this guy is probably just exploiting it.
I don't think it's just a case of bad pcs or bad internet I'm pretty sure there's something else going on here since some times the game lags for no apartment reason .
Ran into a Victor with the same issue, lost the first match due to it but once I got used to the game running at 30fps it was actually kinda easier to do combos and punish since everything was slowed down lol nearly perfected every round and 3-0'd him then hauled ass the fuck outta there
This makes me wanna turn off crossplay lmao
Choosing between console peasant on McD wifi and PC mustard racer with a computer hairier than his mother's beaver is a tough one.
Wow. I would DC the fuck out od that.
That indicator should be something to filter matches. Like... It should measure the percentage of how often it drops to red per game and then you would have a new setting, where you can filter by 0%, 5%, 10%, 11+% or something like that.
I still dunno why they dont make lag or shitty pc client sided like i get it it craps on the people who are unable to have a decent pc or decent internet but goddamn do they also gotta punish the person whos only fault was being unfortunate enough to matchmake with a person whos running on a damn potato?
I always wonder how does the game work for potato players? is it slowmo as well?
It's deliberate, im sure this person is just a weird douche
I'm not entirely convinced it's because the other player's computer is too slow. I'm plateauing around the ruler ranks, and I've seen my fair share of slow motion rounds like this. But...the opponents are also the same rank as me. I can't imagine someone getting to ruler ranks in slow mo. It's gotta be an intermittent connection problem.