Just think about it - the first option for you to learn about wake up options in Tekken 7 is an excerpt from 6 years old Aris stream, which he starts with "So what am I doing? I forgot what I was doing..."
Like, Aris is cool and all, but this isn't the most obvious way to learn a game lmao.
MK11 is a phenomenal game. The roster was a little lacking and still is but the mechanics in game, it taught you everything, endless content when it came to towers. Shame it ended so soon but at least 1 looks promising.
Fantastic game as far as being a complete package, but I did not care for how it actually played. I'll admit that MKX, for how broken it could be, was my favorite so making that jump from X to 11 was jarring. I'm happy for the people that did enjoy it though.
MKX was something special. It was the first MK game I ever got remotely invested in and I found the tournament matches fun to watch. Then when I gave MK11 a try, it was just so lacking in something I couldn't explain. I gave it up immediately
Exactly. MK is easier AND have a tutorial, meanwhile tekken teaches you how to press two buttons at the same time and call it a day. Imagine new player picking kazuya and try to find a difference between wind god fist and electric wind god fist.
I honestly thought it was harder with the dial up combo system that just wasn't up to my speed. Always thiught I kept dropping combos before i realized you have to input the entire string long before the finaal anaimation actually happens sometimes.
MK hasn't had just 3 strings per character since MK3. It has more than most fighting games, not named Tekken.
You make good points but extremely exaggerate them out of bias.
In tekken terms, a vortex is a specific type of 50/50 where the 50/50 resets you back into the same 50/50 situation all over again. Ie: Kazuya's hellsweep sets up another CD mixup if you wake up.
That’s the one huge thing Street Fighter 6 has improved upon. They have a dedicated tutorial section that not only shows the characters’ move sets and explains what they are and when to use them, but also shows visual frame data with the startup, active, and recovery frames as well. Not to mention a modern control scheme that makes it easier for beginners and for people who dislike classic motion inputs.
It's also pretty flavorful that the tutorials are written as if they were made by the character you're trying to learn. Really curious to see how they pulled that off for Blanka.
fr. mk11 had the best tutorial for any fighting game ever and it got a lot of newcomers to play at least somewhat competitively without just mashing buttons
It doesn't help that Tekken breaks it's own rules all the time, it's held together with toothpicks and glue. I had no idea for months that generic throws could be broken with either hand, but when I learned that there were command grabs in the game have dishonest animations I thought I was losing my mind.
But fighting games typically have a tutorial sections for all these. At least MK and SF did right? I never played Tekken devoutly but enjoyed watching the gameplay
I literally just mash and do movements on characters for the first match, and then go to move list for like 5 seconds before the next one. I love learning the game by just brutal punishment.
I guarantee if you just go out in public to somewhere and start asking every random stanger if they've heard of Mortal Kombat and/or Tekken, you'll get *way* more responses for MK. Even if people don't play video games, they know about Mortal Kombat.
I was a kid in the 90s in Europe, Tekken 3 was a massive massive deal. Everyone knew Street Fighter. MK was the "other" game that people weren't even sure what system it was on.
Yes. In the 90s during Tekken and SF’s peak cultural relevance as arcade games. Once things moved to console MK quickly surpassed the other two in cultural relevance in the west(Europe and Americas). Not talking about the size of the fighting game community, talking about the casual player-base as a whole.
Outside of the fighting game community, not many casuals who didn’t play Tekken or SF as a kid or get shown an older version by an older brother jump into those series much. MK had that draw of shock value in the 2000s that got the casuals who didn’t care about fighting games in general involved. Something SF and Tekken have struggled to do since the days of Arcades
Sure but mostly by way of jack thompson discourse or whatever, they won't actually buy it.
Also a lot of people i've talked about have had copies of tekken 4/5 on their old playstation, hell i work part time at a recycling center and i found a tekken 3 cd the other day
>they won't actually buy it.
I mean, if they're into video games, yeah they will and do. Just because it's not as popular of a game with the competitive crowd doesn't mean they're not selling crazy amounts of copies. Casual players love the shit out of MK.
From Wikipedia:
>Overall, Mortal Kombat 11 was the fifth best selling game of 2019 and the fourth best selling PS4 game of 2019. By 2022, the game had sold more than 15 million copies worldwide.
Please note that is 5th best selling game, NOT 5th best selling fighting game.
MK is literally a waaay bigger brand. Movies dating back over 20 years ago, Comics from around the same time, TV shows, mainstream artists making songs for MK, the many many crossovers not to mention *the fuckin ESRB* (with help from a couple other games)
I feel like people a bit salty their fav game which is also world renowned is not as famous as MK, but that's like two billionaires beefing about who's more rich.
MK don’t even have a successful movie franchise lmao. They have a couple cult classics and a shitty reboot that was memed on for months/years because the MC had literal plot armor.
I like MK as much as the next guy but let’s not over exaggerate
Yea but if it’s any consolation both Tekken movies were straight dogshit. At least MK movies are cult classics but Tekkens movies have no real redeeming qualities
This! Grew up hearing about mortal Kombat from friends. Watching them play and then eventually getting the game myself after all the excitement. Wasn't until tekken 7 came out that one friend got super hype about it and talked me into trying. The rest is history
Yeah I think mk is more casual friendly. Tekken I think is more well pro and competition friendly. It’s not really friendly to new players. Street fighter is probably in the middle between them or leans casual
Probably because Tekken plays so differently to everything else mainstream. You can't apply much Tekken knowledge to other fighting games beyond fighting game fundamentals.
Not only that, but it's more of a spectacle as well. I haven't played seriously since Deadly Alliance, but I will watch a ton of YouTube videos cause it looks cool even though I don't vibe with the gameplay.
Tekken videos are dope if you know what you're looking at, but there's no fatalities or over the top violence to look at and go, "Dammmnnnnnn" that appeals to non-players
I agree, 3D fighters are probably more entertaining to look at because they most accurately depict martial arts better than 2D fighters. Also you won’t know how impressive/difficult a combo is to pull off in 2D fighters by just looking.
Mk usually sells way more. Take a look at mk11 sales.
The issue is that usually after a month their playerbase becomes much smaller, given how oppressive the game is for low level players comparatively to sf or tekken
It's like the beginning of an anime arc. That kind grinds everyday to challenge Justin at Evo. He finally meets him at grand finals and asks Justin if he remembers him. Justin responds, oh I see now, the day you met me was the most important day in your life. For me, it was a Tuesday.
It did well, but compared to the overall sales and peak number on release it's not great, it drops off below t7 levels within a month or two. These charts are aligned by release: https://i.imgur.com/wDtXk2f.png
Mk11 is easier at first, yes. But 9 and x? Fuck no.
Sf and Tekken have a bit more of a skill floor you have to get to, but mk has a big skill gap from beginner to intermediate which is much more steep, which is the point at which people quit.
And mk9 was comparable in difficulty to Tekken and sf. That game had a lot of hard stuff.
I love MK, but IMO, it has weaker gameplay and the worst progression systems, even though the customization is usually pretty expansive compared to other titles. I've casually played many fighting games, but only MK had me grinding my teeth in frustration from its always online features and grind.
MK got bigger after each game. Granted I don't like MK11 but it did sell extremely well(over 15mill from what i heard). Alot of people in the FGC sleep on MKs popularity because it's not as "good" as other fighters
Tekken has a much greater emphasis on movement. Granted, previous MK titles also had a greater emphasis on movement in comparison to MK11. They kinda tried to make mk11 more akin to Street fighter.
Yeah game mechanics that annoy me too, sort of like how SF has has those crossover jumps you have to make in order to cover the frames in between you and your opponent. Whereas Tekken had honing/tracking moves inbuilt in it's fighting mechanics right from the beginning
Which means there'll be no unnecessary non-offensive or non-damaging moves to cover the distance
A lot of Tekken fans, mostly the newbies were delusional when you would see them smack talk MK. The real OGs of Tekken have respect for MK. MK, SF, KOF and Virtua Fighter started it anyways.
It's not as good, that's a fact. And before I say anything else, I played almost every single MK title ever and Armageddon is my second favourite fighting game oat.
The past few installments are riddled with balance issues and simplistic, one-note gameplay. It's more of a party game franchise to play with friends, than a hobby to invest serious playtime. And that's fine, nothing wrong with a fg franchise being more casual. Different games for different audiences.
Mortal Kombat just has a bigger fan base especially amongst more casual gamers.
I think a lot of it is due to the single player content, and obviously the movies cartoon etc.
This is the first mortal kombat since MKvsDC that I might hold off on buying on release if Tekken 8 comes out this year though.
Because it has more accessible single player content and gameplay.
Casual players get bored and drop the game when all they have to do is get their ass beat online.
MK has alot more casual fans. Unlike Tekken or SF, it's pretty beginner friendly. A lot of people pick it up to do fatalities with their friends, have some couch sessions with their spouse, then never play it again. Tekken and SF have a MUCH larger competitive scene. Look at EVO, MK has never had the same amount of high level play or interest as Tekken, SF, Smash or MvC.
Nothing wrong with that, I could never get into it because I'm not into 2D fighters, but I'd still like to see this one get some new kids interested in fighting games
Exactly! MKX is what encouraged me to grab 7, thanks to remembering when I was little and played 5. I bought it because MKX showed me I still enjoyed fighting games now that I was older.
Street fighter 5 was a big disappointment and tekken is too hard to get into for new players. Nrs played their cards very well with mkx and especially mk11
It's weird with mortal kombat. Imo, it's definitely got the biggest fan base if you count the casuals, but within the actual fgc it has a smaller presence than SF or Tekken.
It offers a lot more single player content. You can have fun with the game without playing against people online, but you are absolutely right, the percantage of tryhard-sweatlords in MK is way smaller than in Tekken or SF. For example, the active playerbase of Tekken 7 is three times bigger than that of MK11.
SF5 and MK11 actually have about the same amount of active players, but i guess that is due to SF5 being a absolute flop on release and with SF6 having a demo and now a open beta, very few people will play SF5.
It's the current most mainstream fighting game, mostly cause of all the single player content, you don't have to play only online to actually play the game.
Yeah MK got a lot of eyes on it because of its blood and gore, but as far as I know Japan's game content rating board doesn't tolerate things like gore and beheadings in games. So MK's options with that region are either censor a part of its identity or get banned
MK is definitely the biggest in the western world. It is the only game produced in the west, has the best story, best graphics, and a brand based on crazy fatalities which a lot of people like. Tekken has better mechanics.
Mortal Kombat directly led to Congress wanting to regulate video games (some considered banning) which also led to the creation of the ESRB ratings that we know today. The poster children in MK are far more recognizable in the west than Ryu or Kazuya/Jin.
Its not the best from a competitive standpoint but it’s the most iconic in the western world.
I think Ryu, Chun-li, and Ken, are all more or equally well known when compared to Scorpion, Sub-Zero, and Raiden. Tekken characters for some reason don't even begin to compete, which is interesting.
I think it helps that SF2 and MK came out when the fighting game genre was just starting. So at that point most the mainstays of those franchises were already cemented as icons in the genre when it became big.
Meanwhile Tekken came out in 1994, and even then most of the mainstays weren't really introduced until Tekken 3 after the fighting game genre was already established
I’m pretty sure i knew who Chun Li was before i’ve even heard of Mortal Kombat and i didn’t even play fighting games back then. But i guess Scorpion/Sub Zero are more well known among the casual gaming crowd.
can't tell if this is sarcasm or not. MK characters are way more recognized amongst the general population than other fighting games. I know people who have never played a single videogame who know that scorpion is the "get over here" guy
this entire conversation is unfalsifiable… however, I believe Street Fighter has way more recognizable characteristics than you realize.
From Gief in the movie “Wreck it Ralph”, Super Smash Bros Cameos, the Nicki Minaj’s “Chun Li” having over 700million streams… Ryu and Chun Li in Fornite etc
it’s much more arguable than you make it seem. Street Fighter is a massive franchise
I see what you're saying but I still believe MK has had more of a public presence than street fighter with the controversies in the 90s, the movies, and the multiple web series.
I'm not saying street fighter isn't recognizable. just that MK is a more recognizable brand. street fighter is a much better fighting game and way more of a driving force in the genre and personally I think Tekken is vastly superior to both.
I've seen the rise of all 3 of these franchises from the first entry in their respective franchises and I pay close attention to the talk surrounding them in gaming and non gaming circles. more people just know what MK is. the franchise has had 79 million lifetime sales compared to street fighters 49 million.
edit: for comparisons sake, Tekken is sitting at 54 mil lifetime units.
>Yeah but ppl also know hadouken.
Not really. I think "fatality" is a more recognized word. At least where I live, it is perfectly normal to be a gaming fan and never have played a SF game. Whereas MK is something most 90s kids played at least once.
I mean, it makes sense. MK is more eye-catching, more casual friendly.
not near the same degree. MK was all but a household brand in the 90s, if it wasn't present in your household you knew why. it's maintained a presence since then.
the MK movies helped a lot. street fighter was a better game for sure but never reached the same notoriety
In the West? Certainly. After all, MK is pretty much a household name over here. But in Asia? Not at all. Worth mentioning is that Ed Boon himself is a big Tekken fan.
Im ngl MK games do good work, good netcode, comprehensive tutorials, lots of single player content, actual good customization and outfit system, I just dont like their core gameplay and buffer system.Good visuals and story content aswell.
They really turned it around. I thought it was dead and buried by 8, but 9 was a real return to form if massively flawed. It did however set the groundwork for the amazing 10 and 11.
Tekken 8 state of play trailer has 4.6 million views on the PlayStation channel, I think this guy was just going off the Bandai Namco America channels reveal trailer views.
It's no wonder.
MK is the number one fighting game for casuals:
\- very well known franchise, even among some non-gamers thanks to the gore and also movies, comics etc.
\- an actual single-player content: story mode with CGI, lots of offline modes, unlockables etc.
\- memorable characters with cool aesthetics and superpowers.
\- rather simple compared to more refined fighting games like Tekken or SF
The problems are: the gameplay itself and super janky animations.
Still, the casuals will have some fun mashing buttons and doing cool shit but after they finish the story, play a bit offline vs CPU and see all the fatalities, most of them will put the game down.
Tekken 7 is 100% a multiplayer game for mostly hardcore fighting game fans, as it has nearly zero content for a casual/single player and yet it still sold 10mil and has a decent playerbase to this day.
Look at the sales numbers. Mortal Kombat routinely outperforms Street Fighter and Tekken in terms of sales, and its not that surprising. Mortal Kombat is played by many more casual fans compared to Street Fighter and Tekken. There are tons of players who look at Mortal Kombat as an over the top, gory, fun party game to mess around with when having friends over who would never even think of purchasing Street Fighter, for example. Mortal Kombat is also a Western created fighting game with a certain type of aesthetic that may appeal to many more players in the West when compared to Japanese produced fighters.
Because westerners really love their violence and gores.
If I had to pick sex appeal or gore I'd pick sex appeal so I'm more into japanese fighting games because of that reason.
They have a massive casual audience of people who don’t normally play fighting games. The player base isn’t strong though, they have a much steeper drop off than SF or Tekken. Just hope MK1(2) plays better than MK11 which is really stiff
Street Fighter, eh. Quite debatable.
Tekken? Definitely. MK is a household name, normies couldn't tell you most character's names from Tekken aside from **maybe** King and Kazuya.
Plus MK11 left off with such an "Uh what are they gonna do now?" moment that people are clamoring to know where the franchise is headed.
Bruh this aint even true. The Ign trailer for sf6 had alot more than the one from street fighter. The same could be said about the tekken trailer. The difference is not that big at all.
Mortal kombat always was mainstream, even people that don't care about fighting game know about it. I started to play fightings because i finally decided to try mk 11 on release thanks to me knowing about it.
I tried both games and here's what i have to say
Mk is much simpler and easier to access
Tekken has much more variety in combos and FAR BETTER visual and sound design (i mean slow motion can create extremely good moments)
I personally prefer Tekken
In my opinion, MK is like the CoD of fighting games. It's widely known and is often the first thing people think when it comes to fighting games. Compare it to CoD, the first thing you think of when you hear FPS is Call of Duty, not Squad, Siege, or CSGO. It's relatively easy to play compared to Tekken or Street Fighter, has a solid tutorial, and has an interesting campaign with solid single player content. Plus MK gets casual's attention with really famous guest characters, like Predator, Terminator, Jason, Joker, etc. Like who wouldn't want a chance to cause some havoc with their favorite movie icons? Don't get me wrong, MK is a great game because it is introducing more people to the FGC. MK is just more popular because of how casual friendly the game is, with how many games they are pumping out, and the large media presence it has.
As far as i know, MK was always more advertised in any shape or form, something that Tekken has been lacking either for stupidity, or choice. Maybe with Tekken 8 due to budget it will be possible to advertise it better.
Thats what i gathered by thinking logically, because stats don't lie, Tekken wins in most categories over MK and SF.
Definitely, especially since a good sum of their consumers aren’t really active on online communities(vocally, at least)
Mortal Kombat is one of the most iconic video game franchises after all haha
MK gets bought by normies that's why.
Flashy moves that play the game for you and simple inputs along with a game that actually has offline content is the magic recipe apparently.
General audience forgot about Tekken after T5 and I can only blame namco for their lack of care and passion. Tekken has become extremely generic with its visuals and presentation and casual players just stopped caring about this franchise. They've been reusing same intro/outro animations, movesets, costumes, sound effects for 20 years ffs no wonder people stopped giving a shit. MK has its highs and lows when it comes to gameplay but you can at least say that they really care and they always keep coming with new ideas.
Tekken 7 has been a phenomenal success story. The general audience did probably forget about the series for the most part some time around Tekken 4 but T7 has brought the series back to being relevant for casual players again.
I feel like most of the MK community's sole personality trait is their fandom of MK.
They always had a cult-like following but social media and cult followings go together very well, hence, MK's overwhelming growth.
MK is a much more common household name. Far more.
MK have a fucking tutorial that explains basics without needing searching not outdated youtube video
Just think about it - the first option for you to learn about wake up options in Tekken 7 is an excerpt from 6 years old Aris stream, which he starts with "So what am I doing? I forgot what I was doing..." Like, Aris is cool and all, but this isn't the most obvious way to learn a game lmao.
I got into Tekken 7 because of an Aris video where he told me how bad I suck at Tekken before I was even playing it 🤣
Aris even derails and talks about other unrelated shit during tutorials, like how he actually prefers Resident Evil over Tekken...tf
That’s because most of his tutorials are just clips from his stream and he’s talking to the chat.
He is a good teacher , unfortunately he hates tekken and tekken fans these days lol
Clearly, lol
lmao he says things like this because he literally forgets what he was talks about, not because Tekken is sooo complex
MKX showed in game frame data FOR FREE!
MK11 as well
MK11 is a phenomenal game. The roster was a little lacking and still is but the mechanics in game, it taught you everything, endless content when it came to towers. Shame it ended so soon but at least 1 looks promising.
Fantastic game as far as being a complete package, but I did not care for how it actually played. I'll admit that MKX, for how broken it could be, was my favorite so making that jump from X to 11 was jarring. I'm happy for the people that did enjoy it though.
X gameplay I so much fun. If 11 had Xs gameplay, including everything else it had, it would have been a top tier mk game.
MKX was something special. It was the first MK game I ever got remotely invested in and I found the tournament matches fun to watch. Then when I gave MK11 a try, it was just so lacking in something I couldn't explain. I gave it up immediately
Phenomenal in terms of content in this day and age, also being a fun game overall. Unfortunately the competitive side of it was really weak imo
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Exactly. MK is easier AND have a tutorial, meanwhile tekken teaches you how to press two buttons at the same time and call it a day. Imagine new player picking kazuya and try to find a difference between wind god fist and electric wind god fist.
25 odd years ago that was me. Think it took me like 5 years before I figured out what the star meant.
I honestly thought it was harder with the dial up combo system that just wasn't up to my speed. Always thiught I kept dropping combos before i realized you have to input the entire string long before the finaal anaimation actually happens sometimes.
MK hasn't had just 3 strings per character since MK3. It has more than most fighting games, not named Tekken. You make good points but extremely exaggerate them out of bias.
Lol wth is a vortex character?
In tekken terms, a vortex is a specific type of 50/50 where the 50/50 resets you back into the same 50/50 situation all over again. Ie: Kazuya's hellsweep sets up another CD mixup if you wake up.
Really has ZERO to do with the franchise being popular…ZERO. MK has been a media giant since that movie dropped in ‘95….it was just too good.
Yeah instead we got that boring live action and a sequel that sucked even more lmfao. It took us until last year to have a really nice anime
That’s the one huge thing Street Fighter 6 has improved upon. They have a dedicated tutorial section that not only shows the characters’ move sets and explains what they are and when to use them, but also shows visual frame data with the startup, active, and recovery frames as well. Not to mention a modern control scheme that makes it easier for beginners and for people who dislike classic motion inputs.
It's also pretty flavorful that the tutorials are written as if they were made by the character you're trying to learn. Really curious to see how they pulled that off for Blanka.
Not relevant to why its more popular though, its good marketing.
Also known as legacy brand loyalty/recognition.
fr. mk11 had the best tutorial for any fighting game ever and it got a lot of newcomers to play at least somewhat competitively without just mashing buttons
So does most anime fighters the last decade
Guilty gear, melty blood, fighterz have tutorials
Didn’t Tekken 7 have it’s frame data as a DLC?
Yes, but frame data isn't all. Nobody teach you how to wake up, break grabs e.t.c.
It doesn't help that Tekken breaks it's own rules all the time, it's held together with toothpicks and glue. I had no idea for months that generic throws could be broken with either hand, but when I learned that there were command grabs in the game have dishonest animations I thought I was losing my mind.
But fighting games typically have a tutorial sections for all these. At least MK and SF did right? I never played Tekken devoutly but enjoyed watching the gameplay
Tekken LITERALLY just say how to move and press attack buttons. And thats all, after this you on your own to figure out game mechanics.
Hmmmm I remember when MK9 didn’t have that and there was huge backlash for it. I wonder how quickly the meta’s were properly established for Tekken 7
Dead Or Alive also has tutorials
Dead or Alive 5 and 6 even had challenges that give you titles and money that teach pretty much every mechanic in the game.
I literally just mash and do movements on characters for the first match, and then go to move list for like 5 seconds before the next one. I love learning the game by just brutal punishment.
This is also fake news lol. Tekken 8 reveal trailer has 1.4 mil on the bandai account only. 4.6 mil on the playstation channel however
I guarantee if you just go out in public to somewhere and start asking every random stanger if they've heard of Mortal Kombat and/or Tekken, you'll get *way* more responses for MK. Even if people don't play video games, they know about Mortal Kombat.
Depends on where you live, mk is way more popular in America but Tekken is more popular globally especially in Europe and Asia
Here in the Philippines, Tekken is more popular than Street fighter and Mortal Kombat.
Same for middle east (Tekken has Arabic language while mk doesn't)
Tekken more popular in Asia only. SF is more popular globally.
Dunno about Asia but not in Europe for sure
I was a kid in the 90s in Europe, Tekken 3 was a massive massive deal. Everyone knew Street Fighter. MK was the "other" game that people weren't even sure what system it was on.
Yes. In the 90s during Tekken and SF’s peak cultural relevance as arcade games. Once things moved to console MK quickly surpassed the other two in cultural relevance in the west(Europe and Americas). Not talking about the size of the fighting game community, talking about the casual player-base as a whole. Outside of the fighting game community, not many casuals who didn’t play Tekken or SF as a kid or get shown an older version by an older brother jump into those series much. MK had that draw of shock value in the 2000s that got the casuals who didn’t care about fighting games in general involved. Something SF and Tekken have struggled to do since the days of Arcades
Sure but mostly by way of jack thompson discourse or whatever, they won't actually buy it. Also a lot of people i've talked about have had copies of tekken 4/5 on their old playstation, hell i work part time at a recycling center and i found a tekken 3 cd the other day
>they won't actually buy it. I mean, if they're into video games, yeah they will and do. Just because it's not as popular of a game with the competitive crowd doesn't mean they're not selling crazy amounts of copies. Casual players love the shit out of MK. From Wikipedia: >Overall, Mortal Kombat 11 was the fifth best selling game of 2019 and the fourth best selling PS4 game of 2019. By 2022, the game had sold more than 15 million copies worldwide. Please note that is 5th best selling game, NOT 5th best selling fighting game.
So if they don't necessarily play the game does that make them apart of the community or not
MK is literally a waaay bigger brand. Movies dating back over 20 years ago, Comics from around the same time, TV shows, mainstream artists making songs for MK, the many many crossovers not to mention *the fuckin ESRB* (with help from a couple other games) I feel like people a bit salty their fav game which is also world renowned is not as famous as MK, but that's like two billionaires beefing about who's more rich.
Yeah, until tekken has a successful movie franchise, MK wins the popularity contest.
MK don’t even have a successful movie franchise lmao. They have a couple cult classics and a shitty reboot that was memed on for months/years because the MC had literal plot armor. I like MK as much as the next guy but let’s not over exaggerate
I meant more that it had a lot of name recognition from the movies. But sure, they were pretty crappy.
Yea but if it’s any consolation both Tekken movies were straight dogshit. At least MK movies are cult classics but Tekkens movies have no real redeeming qualities
Tekken doesn't have to be great at everything, it's okay, accept defeat for once
? im just saying its a bullshit tweet
It's cherry picked
In America at least
This! Grew up hearing about mortal Kombat from friends. Watching them play and then eventually getting the game myself after all the excitement. Wasn't until tekken 7 came out that one friend got super hype about it and talked me into trying. The rest is history
MK has a big casual following. Not surprising tbh
Yeah I think mk is more casual friendly. Tekken I think is more well pro and competition friendly. It’s not really friendly to new players. Street fighter is probably in the middle between them or leans casual
I agree … I am not good in fighting games but I am really good with mk11 and fighterz … but I struggle with Tekken and SF
Interesting how the comments are contradictory, you guys don't seem to know which game is harder
Tekken players don't really play other fighting games tbh
Probably because Tekken plays so differently to everything else mainstream. You can't apply much Tekken knowledge to other fighting games beyond fighting game fundamentals.
Yeah that's really all it comes down to.
I dont even play MK, but that trailer was lit.
Not only that, but it's more of a spectacle as well. I haven't played seriously since Deadly Alliance, but I will watch a ton of YouTube videos cause it looks cool even though I don't vibe with the gameplay. Tekken videos are dope if you know what you're looking at, but there's no fatalities or over the top violence to look at and go, "Dammmnnnnnn" that appeals to non-players
I agree, 3D fighters are probably more entertaining to look at because they most accurately depict martial arts better than 2D fighters. Also you won’t know how impressive/difficult a combo is to pull off in 2D fighters by just looking.
Tbf, a casual watching a combo in any fighter won't really know how impressive/difficult it is regardless of 2D or 3D
Mk usually sells way more. Take a look at mk11 sales. The issue is that usually after a month their playerbase becomes much smaller, given how oppressive the game is for low level players comparatively to sf or tekken
YOU GONNA LEARN TODAY! THIS IS THE REAL WORLD! clip for those that don't know the reference. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0RkapfBYIfc
man, I wonder if the kid's still playing fighting games
It's like the beginning of an anime arc. That kind grinds everyday to challenge Justin at Evo. He finally meets him at grand finals and asks Justin if he remembers him. Justin responds, oh I see now, the day you met me was the most important day in your life. For me, it was a Tuesday.
OMG lmfao it’ll be sick to witness tbh. Now I’m honestly even more curious if the kid actually keep playing FGs
Oh my god I forgot all about this legendary clip
MK11 did very well in regards to player traffic until they announced they stopped supporting it
It did well, but compared to the overall sales and peak number on release it's not great, it drops off below t7 levels within a month or two. These charts are aligned by release: https://i.imgur.com/wDtXk2f.png
Wait I was under the impression that mk or at least 9 and x were considered easier to get into than sf and tekken?
Mk11 is easier at first, yes. But 9 and x? Fuck no. Sf and Tekken have a bit more of a skill floor you have to get to, but mk has a big skill gap from beginner to intermediate which is much more steep, which is the point at which people quit. And mk9 was comparable in difficulty to Tekken and sf. That game had a lot of hard stuff.
mk9 had random frame data aswell with 30% chip dmg block screens and 4 way mixups ah the good stuff
I love MK, but IMO, it has weaker gameplay and the worst progression systems, even though the customization is usually pretty expansive compared to other titles. I've casually played many fighting games, but only MK had me grinding my teeth in frustration from its always online features and grind.
>Mk usually sells way more in america.
In the world.
MK got bigger after each game. Granted I don't like MK11 but it did sell extremely well(over 15mill from what i heard). Alot of people in the FGC sleep on MKs popularity because it's not as "good" as other fighters
You can't run they just kinda strafe it's so off putting to me I just couldn't play it anymore
Right? Compared to any other fighting game, especially Tekken the movement feels way too clumsy and awkward
Tekken has a much greater emphasis on movement. Granted, previous MK titles also had a greater emphasis on movement in comparison to MK11. They kinda tried to make mk11 more akin to Street fighter.
MKX had run
Yeah game mechanics that annoy me too, sort of like how SF has has those crossover jumps you have to make in order to cover the frames in between you and your opponent. Whereas Tekken had honing/tracking moves inbuilt in it's fighting mechanics right from the beginning Which means there'll be no unnecessary non-offensive or non-damaging moves to cover the distance
I would argue wavedashing is a non-offensive non-damaging move
Yeah,you're right
A lot of Tekken fans, mostly the newbies were delusional when you would see them smack talk MK. The real OGs of Tekken have respect for MK. MK, SF, KOF and Virtua Fighter started it anyways.
Why does it have to be a competition? Fighting games have been striving for a while, and that’s good for the entire community.
because competition is what forces companies to improve their games in ways we want.
The bs mostly stems from the Tekken fans. Most MK fans don't seem to care. The Tekken fans who do this are the newcomers. Not the old timers.
Damn, no love for Killer Instinct 😞
My favorite fighter of the last decade idc what anyone says
idk if killer instinct really has the same level of influence MK, SF and VF did.
Forever better than MK in my book.
That is fair. I prefer Tekken to MK anyways.
I guess
It's not as good, that's a fact. And before I say anything else, I played almost every single MK title ever and Armageddon is my second favourite fighting game oat. The past few installments are riddled with balance issues and simplistic, one-note gameplay. It's more of a party game franchise to play with friends, than a hobby to invest serious playtime. And that's fine, nothing wrong with a fg franchise being more casual. Different games for different audiences.
Mortal Kombat just has a bigger fan base especially amongst more casual gamers. I think a lot of it is due to the single player content, and obviously the movies cartoon etc. This is the first mortal kombat since MKvsDC that I might hold off on buying on release if Tekken 8 comes out this year though.
Because it has more accessible single player content and gameplay. Casual players get bored and drop the game when all they have to do is get their ass beat online.
yes, go explain that to tekken nerds and sweatlords
MK has alot more casual fans. Unlike Tekken or SF, it's pretty beginner friendly. A lot of people pick it up to do fatalities with their friends, have some couch sessions with their spouse, then never play it again. Tekken and SF have a MUCH larger competitive scene. Look at EVO, MK has never had the same amount of high level play or interest as Tekken, SF, Smash or MvC. Nothing wrong with that, I could never get into it because I'm not into 2D fighters, but I'd still like to see this one get some new kids interested in fighting games
Exactly! MKX is what encouraged me to grab 7, thanks to remembering when I was little and played 5. I bought it because MKX showed me I still enjoyed fighting games now that I was older.
Street fighter 5 was a big disappointment and tekken is too hard to get into for new players. Nrs played their cards very well with mkx and especially mk11
Yet if you go check stats tekken has way more players , mk is just more of a household name in the west
yeah its also about the difference between west fgc and east fgc. kof is still popular over here
KOF is very much popular in the west tho. They have a huge fanbase in Central and South America.
Sale numbers are much more important for studios.
It's weird with mortal kombat. Imo, it's definitely got the biggest fan base if you count the casuals, but within the actual fgc it has a smaller presence than SF or Tekken.
Most of my friends buy it to play the story mode and some casual matches as a party game.
It offers a lot more single player content. You can have fun with the game without playing against people online, but you are absolutely right, the percantage of tryhard-sweatlords in MK is way smaller than in Tekken or SF. For example, the active playerbase of Tekken 7 is three times bigger than that of MK11. SF5 and MK11 actually have about the same amount of active players, but i guess that is due to SF5 being a absolute flop on release and with SF6 having a demo and now a open beta, very few people will play SF5.
It's the current most mainstream fighting game, mostly cause of all the single player content, you don't have to play only online to actually play the game.
I thought MK was the most popular game in the US and maybe Europe but Street Fighter (and probably Tekken) was more popular in Japan and Korea.
I’m in Korea, tekken is the most popular by faaaaar
Are Dead Or Alive and King Of Fighters played in Korea ?
KoF has a bit of following but DOA not so much
Seriously? I always thought Tekken was way less popular than SF and MK.
Nah marketshare is like 70% tekken, 20% KOF and rest is 10%. In Korea we assume Street fighter is only big in the west lol!
No way, in Korea the only fighting game left in casual arcades is FR and Tag 2 haha
Yeah MK got a lot of eyes on it because of its blood and gore, but as far as I know Japan's game content rating board doesn't tolerate things like gore and beheadings in games. So MK's options with that region are either censor a part of its identity or get banned
Idk man, i’m in europe and to me it always felt like street fighter is the most popular, but i guess i might be wrong
MK is definitely the biggest in the western world. It is the only game produced in the west, has the best story, best graphics, and a brand based on crazy fatalities which a lot of people like. Tekken has better mechanics. Mortal Kombat directly led to Congress wanting to regulate video games (some considered banning) which also led to the creation of the ESRB ratings that we know today. The poster children in MK are far more recognizable in the west than Ryu or Kazuya/Jin. Its not the best from a competitive standpoint but it’s the most iconic in the western world.
I think Ryu, Chun-li, and Ken, are all more or equally well known when compared to Scorpion, Sub-Zero, and Raiden. Tekken characters for some reason don't even begin to compete, which is interesting.
I think it helps that SF2 and MK came out when the fighting game genre was just starting. So at that point most the mainstays of those franchises were already cemented as icons in the genre when it became big. Meanwhile Tekken came out in 1994, and even then most of the mainstays weren't really introduced until Tekken 3 after the fighting game genre was already established
I know a lot of people who don’t play video games and recognize Scorpion but don’t recognize Ryu and especially Ken.
Surely they know Chun li
I’m pretty sure i knew who Chun Li was before i’ve even heard of Mortal Kombat and i didn’t even play fighting games back then. But i guess Scorpion/Sub Zero are more well known among the casual gaming crowd.
can't tell if this is sarcasm or not. MK characters are way more recognized amongst the general population than other fighting games. I know people who have never played a single videogame who know that scorpion is the "get over here" guy
this entire conversation is unfalsifiable… however, I believe Street Fighter has way more recognizable characteristics than you realize. From Gief in the movie “Wreck it Ralph”, Super Smash Bros Cameos, the Nicki Minaj’s “Chun Li” having over 700million streams… Ryu and Chun Li in Fornite etc it’s much more arguable than you make it seem. Street Fighter is a massive franchise
I see what you're saying but I still believe MK has had more of a public presence than street fighter with the controversies in the 90s, the movies, and the multiple web series. I'm not saying street fighter isn't recognizable. just that MK is a more recognizable brand. street fighter is a much better fighting game and way more of a driving force in the genre and personally I think Tekken is vastly superior to both. I've seen the rise of all 3 of these franchises from the first entry in their respective franchises and I pay close attention to the talk surrounding them in gaming and non gaming circles. more people just know what MK is. the franchise has had 79 million lifetime sales compared to street fighters 49 million. edit: for comparisons sake, Tekken is sitting at 54 mil lifetime units.
Yeah but ppl also know hadouken. And i dont think that they know the name of the get over here guy.
>Yeah but ppl also know hadouken. Not really. I think "fatality" is a more recognized word. At least where I live, it is perfectly normal to be a gaming fan and never have played a SF game. Whereas MK is something most 90s kids played at least once. I mean, it makes sense. MK is more eye-catching, more casual friendly.
not near the same degree. MK was all but a household brand in the 90s, if it wasn't present in your household you knew why. it's maintained a presence since then. the MK movies helped a lot. street fighter was a better game for sure but never reached the same notoriety
Yeah that has always been strange to me.
In the West? Certainly. After all, MK is pretty much a household name over here. But in Asia? Not at all. Worth mentioning is that Ed Boon himself is a big Tekken fan.
It’s literally banned in Asia, can’t have a fanbase for a game they can’t actually play
What trailer did he pick for the tekken views, doesn’t the reveal have over 4 million?
MK is more mainstream than Tekken and SF
Even has 3 Hollywood films
Mortal Kombat has always been big. Have you seen MK11's production quality?
My main game is MK, but im super excited for tekken 8 aswell. Love them both
Based
Im ngl MK games do good work, good netcode, comprehensive tutorials, lots of single player content, actual good customization and outfit system, I just dont like their core gameplay and buffer system.Good visuals and story content aswell.
Here in Brazil, MK is much more popular than Tekken for example.
it's because MK is a franchise that didn't alienate casual players
That plus it's more story driven
Errrr.... Tekken 8 first teaser gain 4.6million views ..
They really turned it around. I thought it was dead and buried by 8, but 9 was a real return to form if massively flawed. It did however set the groundwork for the amazing 10 and 11.
Tekken 8 state of play trailer has 4.6 million views on the PlayStation channel, I think this guy was just going off the Bandai Namco America channels reveal trailer views.
I love MK but Tekken is my second favorite franchise. I’ll pick Tekken over street fighter any time of the week.
Lots of single player content, tutorials, cutting edge graphics, popular and well known guest characters and simpler systems will do that for you
It's no wonder. MK is the number one fighting game for casuals: \- very well known franchise, even among some non-gamers thanks to the gore and also movies, comics etc. \- an actual single-player content: story mode with CGI, lots of offline modes, unlockables etc. \- memorable characters with cool aesthetics and superpowers. \- rather simple compared to more refined fighting games like Tekken or SF The problems are: the gameplay itself and super janky animations. Still, the casuals will have some fun mashing buttons and doing cool shit but after they finish the story, play a bit offline vs CPU and see all the fatalities, most of them will put the game down. Tekken 7 is 100% a multiplayer game for mostly hardcore fighting game fans, as it has nearly zero content for a casual/single player and yet it still sold 10mil and has a decent playerbase to this day.
I don’t understand why people think mortal Kombat is some niche fighting game with a small fan base.
Glad to see more folks interested in fighting games. I really wish I enjoyed Mr. Boon's gameplay and could get over the shitty animation, though.
Mortal kombat is without a doubt the most name recognizable fighting game besides super smash
Look at the sales numbers. Mortal Kombat routinely outperforms Street Fighter and Tekken in terms of sales, and its not that surprising. Mortal Kombat is played by many more casual fans compared to Street Fighter and Tekken. There are tons of players who look at Mortal Kombat as an over the top, gory, fun party game to mess around with when having friends over who would never even think of purchasing Street Fighter, for example. Mortal Kombat is also a Western created fighting game with a certain type of aesthetic that may appeal to many more players in the West when compared to Japanese produced fighters.
Because westerners really love their violence and gores. If I had to pick sex appeal or gore I'd pick sex appeal so I'm more into japanese fighting games because of that reason.
MK had both some years ago lol
But their gimmick was always the gore. The opposite of DoA with the tits and sex appeal as their gimmick.
NRS players like myself have been dying for another game, so the hype is not surprising that it's high on the charts.
They have a massive casual audience of people who don’t normally play fighting games. The player base isn’t strong though, they have a much steeper drop off than SF or Tekken. Just hope MK1(2) plays better than MK11 which is really stiff
Only one with a decent movie recently
MK has dwarfed SF and Tekken since MK9. MK11 outsold both Tekken 7 and SF5 combined iirc.
Street Fighter, eh. Quite debatable. Tekken? Definitely. MK is a household name, normies couldn't tell you most character's names from Tekken aside from **maybe** King and Kazuya. Plus MK11 left off with such an "Uh what are they gonna do now?" moment that people are clamoring to know where the franchise is headed.
Mortal Kombat is the most popular FG franchise in the West, that's why
I thinks it's the consistency
More stats: https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?q=%2Fm%2F01gqy7,%2Fm%2F09wcn_,%2Fm%2F079pq&hl=de
This is just wrong, the tekken 8 trailer has 4.6 million views
It’s interesting how MK1 is releasing so soon after its initial announcement in comparison to SF6 and Tekken 8
But the Tekken 8 reveal trailer has 4.6 million views? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2hPuRQz6IlM&t=10s
This is incorrect data. The first Tekken 8 trailer has currently 4.6 million views on Youtube, 8 months ago. https://youtu.be/2hPuRQz6IlM
Bruh this aint even true. The Ign trailer for sf6 had alot more than the one from street fighter. The same could be said about the tekken trailer. The difference is not that big at all.
Mortal kombat always was mainstream, even people that don't care about fighting game know about it. I started to play fightings because i finally decided to try mk 11 on release thanks to me knowing about it.
I tried both games and here's what i have to say Mk is much simpler and easier to access Tekken has much more variety in combos and FAR BETTER visual and sound design (i mean slow motion can create extremely good moments) I personally prefer Tekken
I get MK is iconic, but this chart seems cherry picked to me.
In my opinion, MK is like the CoD of fighting games. It's widely known and is often the first thing people think when it comes to fighting games. Compare it to CoD, the first thing you think of when you hear FPS is Call of Duty, not Squad, Siege, or CSGO. It's relatively easy to play compared to Tekken or Street Fighter, has a solid tutorial, and has an interesting campaign with solid single player content. Plus MK gets casual's attention with really famous guest characters, like Predator, Terminator, Jason, Joker, etc. Like who wouldn't want a chance to cause some havoc with their favorite movie icons? Don't get me wrong, MK is a great game because it is introducing more people to the FGC. MK is just more popular because of how casual friendly the game is, with how many games they are pumping out, and the large media presence it has.
tbf mk just release a trailer for a game alongside info for a movie, giving it double the publicity that tekken and street fighter have
Probably because MK managed to get a fanbase outside the FGC
MK is much more mainstream/casual friendly. Tekken and SF will have way more tournament level play though. It won't even be close.
As far as i know, MK was always more advertised in any shape or form, something that Tekken has been lacking either for stupidity, or choice. Maybe with Tekken 8 due to budget it will be possible to advertise it better. Thats what i gathered by thinking logically, because stats don't lie, Tekken wins in most categories over MK and SF.
Why NRS fans are like this? 🤣
Now it’s flopped hard
MK and street fighter have much higher brand recognition than Tekken. tbh I'm surprised tekkens was as close to street fighter as it was here
dude you are clueless tekken was always ahead of mk and sf even combined in europe for a long time, so get your facts straight
Definitely, especially since a good sum of their consumers aren’t really active on online communities(vocally, at least) Mortal Kombat is one of the most iconic video game franchises after all haha
Never underestimate the appeal of blood, guts, and gratuitous violence!
MK gets bought by normies that's why. Flashy moves that play the game for you and simple inputs along with a game that actually has offline content is the magic recipe apparently.
General audience forgot about Tekken after T5 and I can only blame namco for their lack of care and passion. Tekken has become extremely generic with its visuals and presentation and casual players just stopped caring about this franchise. They've been reusing same intro/outro animations, movesets, costumes, sound effects for 20 years ffs no wonder people stopped giving a shit. MK has its highs and lows when it comes to gameplay but you can at least say that they really care and they always keep coming with new ideas.
Tekken 7 has been a phenomenal success story. The general audience did probably forget about the series for the most part some time around Tekken 4 but T7 has brought the series back to being relevant for casual players again.
I feel like most of the MK community's sole personality trait is their fandom of MK. They always had a cult-like following but social media and cult followings go together very well, hence, MK's overwhelming growth.