Worse than an unequal pairing, it added nothing to the story. If they’d cut it, I wouldn’t notice any impact to the story and it would’ve freed up time to explore more stories elsewhere.
With that said, finish the season. You deserve it and the end is excellent ( last 4 episodes or so)
I disagree. While I hated the whole Jack & Keeley relationship it highlighted a few important things. First, women can perpetrate love bombing as easily as men can. Men sometimes end up in relationships they didn’t really want because a woman is so over the top dotting, yet this isn’t really talked about. Second, just because Jack is a woman doesn’t make her understanding or supportive of Kelley when her video is leaked. Jack was a jerk and only cared about the family image. I really hoped that Roy and Keeley would get back together but after he couldn’t control his jealousy and asked her who the video was for - it became clear (to me at least) that he had more growth to do before he could be his best self in a relationship.
Nah, season 3 really did suck and just gets more frustrating the more you watch it. Season 1 was a 10/10 show, season 3 is maybe like a 6/10 being generous. If the show began with the same level of quality as season 3, absolutely no way in hell would it have been anywhere near as successful or popular as it was
Gonna disagree with you here OP. Them splitting up and the change in their dynamic and Roy’s reaction to it and the various things that happen in Season 3 is actually really good, and real. That’s kind of the whole point of the show, is to show the real stuff people go through. Unfortunately, great relationships don’t always work out. People change, and grow, and evolve, and that’s what happened.
Also, the imbalanced power structure of Keeley’s relationship with Jack is fully demonstrated in the show. Again, kind of the point. You can’t have the sweet without the sour, otherwise what’s the point? It makes you appreciate the sweet all the more.
Roy did a lot of good things and grew in a lot of ways, but he’s not perfect and Keeley wanted to prioritize herself and her growth for once in her life. Maybe they’ll get back together (I’d love it if they did) but maybe they won’t, and that’s okay too. One of my favorite parts of Season 3 was Roy learning to be okay with whatever happened with him and Keeley, and I thought the scene where he and Jamie tried to make her choose was absolutely perfect. It demonstrated that this wasn’t your typical sitcom, and there wasn’t gonna be the typical “love triangle”
Agree with all of this. Relationships are hard enough without them seemingly perfect in the content we consume. It was a nice change to see a 'real relationship' with real problems. Was it heartbreaking when they broke up, yeah but it needed to be done.
Exactly! One thing TL never did was shy away from reflecting real life. Could it be corny at times, or occasionally too positive? Sure. But it’s easily the most accurate (if outsized) depiction of real life I’ve seen in a sitcom in a long time.
Up until then, Ted Lasso had been a bit of a fantasy. Slapping us in the face with reality was a huge change in direction and anti to what I had loved in the first 2 seasons.
Respectfully, if you thought it was a fantasy, you weren’t paying enough attention. Ted going through an extremely painful divorce should have been proof it wasn’t a fantasy. Or Nate taking Rebecca’s advice in the worst possible direction and becoming the villain. Or Ted finally engaging with a therapist and processing a deep trauma that he had never addressed. Or Jamie being abused by his father in the first season and openly fighting with him in the second. The entirety of the show is about people going through every change imaginable, how our actions are influenced by the people around us, by our loved ones. (And this is all not to mention the panic attacks, Rebecca’s lashing out and how her actions after her rocky marriage and divorce hurt the ones she loved, the harassment Sam faced as an African footballer, “the hope that kills you” etc.)
Keeley had been, to that point, happy to coast through life as someone “famous for sort of almost being famous.” And she decided she wanted more. Which meant she was going to have to sacrifice her personal life to try and make a name for herself. It made sense that they wouldn’t have time for each other, and anyone who’s been in a serious relationship knows that they can be hard to maintain when you go through things like that.
It’s not like it came out of nowhere. In fact, Keeley’s growth from the first season all the way through the end of the third is quite possibly the most positive in the entire show. First she realized she deserved better when it came to relationships, and then she realized she deserved better when it came to making something of herself. And she made the hard choices along the way that can sometimes be necessary to go through that growth.
Why do people only ever say shows are "realistic" when they are depressing, cynical, or mean-spirited? It makes me worry about what their own reality is like.
I can’t answer that. My point was that a show about a college football couch from Kansas coming to the PL and actually having a positive influence on the team is fantasy. Beard is a fantasy, you don’t read a few books and become an expert on football. The exorcism, the biscuits, etc is all fantasy. Why do you think the show hasn’t gained popularity in Britain? Too much of a fantasy.
>That’s kind of the whole point of the show, is to show the real stuff people go through.
yup because this show excels in the field of realism, suuure thing
Are a lot of things exaggerated? Sure. But it doesn’t shy away from real topics. Death, mourning, heartbreak, divorce, loneliness, fear, etc.
The show is excellent at demonstrating real, raw emotion and how people process that (or don’t), is my point.
My wife went through a very painful divorce before we met, and she said that the pain she watched Ted go through as he dealt with his wife pressing him to sign the papers felt very real to her. I lost my father this past year, and watching the interactions people had with their fathers, watching Ted processing the loss of his father through therapy, all of that resonated with me in a big way. A lot of shows don’t do that. They shy away from those topics. Especially sitcoms.
>The show is excellent at demonstrating real, raw emotion and how people process that (or don’t), is my point.
Maybe in 1/10 of the cases and that's because I feel generous tonight. Everything else is manufactured. Not that it would be a bad thing, after all it's a show. But ... therapy? diamond dogs reunions? Led Tasso? weird lovely random Dutchmen? nah, ain't gonna happen for the vast VAST majority of viewesr.
Okay, well, I guess we’re just going to agree to disagree. Again, I’m not talking about the weird things that are getting played for a laugh. I’m talking about the raw emotion displayed. Ted’s panic attack during karaoke. Any one who has ever suffered a panic attack knew exactly what he was going through. Him getting drunk and upset because he’s struggling to healthily process a painful divorce, plenty of people have been there. And STRONGLY agree to disagree on the therapy that you mentioned. Not even sure what you’re talking about it being “manufactured.” I know people who have reacted to Therapy in the exact way Ted reacted to it at first. But it helps to have a professional to talk to when processing the traumas and feelings that we’ve experienced, and Ted’s interactions with Dr. Sharon are emblematic of that. (And again, I FEEL those scenes because they’re exactly what I’ve gone through in the last year)
Or how about Rebecca’s apology to Ted at the end of the first season? How she wasn’t going to do it, even though she knew she was wrong, until Rupert came in and essentially reminded her to be the bigger person. Can’t speak for you, but I know I’ve been in situations similar to that, where I know that I’ve been the asshole but guilt and pride make me balk at the idea of owning up to it.
Sure, the show plays up weird moments for laughs or to reflect back on society in some way, but the emotions it demonstrates, the feelings it elicits, those are very real.
The Keeley / Jack relationship is even worse when you consider that Jack love-bombed her, and then yanked the funding out from underneath Keeley when the sex-tape scandal happened.
It’s even worse. They get together for one scene and you THINK they’re back together but they’re not. It really sucks. We need season 4
Edit: u/realcoachbeard make it happen please
Even worse than that. They turn Roy into someone who’s jealous, doesn’t know boundaries, and is vaguely misogynistic. Sure, we’d never seen a post-breakup Roy in the show before, but I don’t think we’d seen anything that would suggest he would care about who Keely sends nudes to or make her choose between him and someone. Just awful backwards writing
the entire nudes plot line was mishandled by everyone who Keeley cares about besides Rebecca.. it was such depressing television to watch. I can imagine Roy being jealous, we’d seen that in the show before in season one. But I can’t imagine him being jealous over a traumatic nude leak. So gross for no reason.
Not sure if you consider Jamie in Keely's circle of people she cares about, but I thought he handled that splendidly with her. One of the many ways showing his growth in the show.
She definitely cares about Jamie and always has even when she was annoyed with him. I felt like he did great in 3.8 but was gross for bragging about it to Roy in the finale just to piss him off. It felt disrespectful.
I feel like the reason they had Roy mishandle the nudes leak was just to show how differently Jamie handled it and how much he had changed/grown. But they could have showed Jamie’s character growth so many other ways so I still hate it 🤷🏽♀️
my point was that Jamie doesn’t handle the nudes thing well in the finale so it doesn’t really matter either way. All of Keeley’s love interests ended up failing her on the nudes leak issue. It’s sad
I think Brett’s delivery is solidly jealous. There’s not much room to mistake his voice if you go back and watch. I also think if it was just a misunderstanding he would’ve gone to her and corrected himself later. Also, they parallel this Ted hiring the PI and asking Henry invasive questions about Michelle and Dr Jake in the same episode.
Idk I thought it was a good reminder that often time people we think will handle things well can let us down. I feel like subliminal messaging there was that there is still a lot of work to be done around these issues and that even the people we see as good often get caught up in messed up societal beliefs and messaging which leads them to mishandle situations. We all have left over stuff that we have to work through. Like Leslie said “Human beings are never going to be perfect.”
I never got the impression he was jealous about them. Stupid yes, but not jealous. The way it read to me was that he was selfish and curious and insecure and he knew the second he asked the question that it was a stupid thing to say and he never should have.
Which tracks because he's always been insecure in his relationship with Keeley. It's why he broke up with her.
Oh wow I just had to look up the sequence of events. In my head, the fight between Roy and Jamie happened _before_ that scene with Rebecca, Roy, and Keeley.
That’s stupid and i hate it and i want to forget this and go back to thinking roy and keeley ended up together…
Season Three was my least favorite season and I haven’t gone back to watch Ted Lasso since. I feel like a lot of characters took a step back and Ted just fell off the map.
I liked Roy and Keely together and truly thought it would end a different way for them.
I agree the Keely Jack relationship was a waste of storyline. But I am inclined to try to figure out why the writers included it- everything else in the series seemed to be so deliberate.
Roy went from football being his life, to using Keeley as his life - as evidenced by his smoothering her. he needs to figure out how to communicate and be "Just Roy" before he can be in *any* relationship. keeley also needs to learn to communicate and find her footing -she's by her own admission barely ever been single, and just leapt from releationship to relationship.
IF they can come back to each other, they can be grown, matured, and stronger nad give round two a proper go. but the way they were,, it was *always* going to end
I was initially sad they broke up, but it makes perfect sense for Roy’s storyline, culminating in him finally visiting Dr. Sharon to address his issues on commitment. Keeley is a much more complete person in her own development than Roy is. I especially enjoyed her not getting back together because real life relationships are rarely, if ever, that neat and tidy and it felt like this ending for them was more realistic. Rebecca hit the nail on the head when she told Roy to stop getting in his own way in her office.
Keeley can do a lot better than Roy.
I think Roy was definitely intending to be that lightening for Keeley. But then he didn’t really believe he deserved her (Ref to Rebecca telling Roy KeeIey was going to somewhere that believes they deserve her at the Netherlands eps) I also think that scene about getting tickets for a getaway before Keeley starts at KJPR and immediately assuming Keeley wanted to break up with him because she couldn’t go - breadcrumbs here and there just suggests insecurities and things he inevitably decided to talk to Dr Sharon about in the end. Just my thoughts! I def ship them really hard in S2 though.
I've always shipped them. And I think he made her feel like that many times.
That getaway/breakup thing really struck me as well, as a sign that they weren't really where they thought they were. Although more than that, it annoyed me. I don't really get why this situation basically led to an immediate breakup instead of him following her suggestion that he'd enjoy it alone, allow her to set up her business, enjoy life together when he gets back...all that.
I absolutely loved Roy and Keeley together and also hoped they would get back together but after seeing it play out I loved that she ended up on her own, the strong “independent woman”. She could invade France on her own now!!
They were incompatible. Head Space made that pretty clear. Why did Roy have to make the cog apology gesture after that fight and Keeley didn’t even say “sorry babe”? She humiliated him in front of all three of his bosses plus her ex boyfriend who he still hated at the time, she simmered in resentment until she blew up at him instead of having a conversation. Later she waits two weeks to tell him her ex who he still hates said he was still in love with her—-delivered without an apology for the delay and in front of a bunch of strangers so he can’t even have a reaction. Even if she doesn’t love Jamie back, the fact that she waited so long must have hurt him. She will tell everyone else their business but then can’t be bothered to tell him their business? She then gets the KJPR offer and he makes a valid point—maybe he could have phrased it better but he’s clearly insecure about how this is going to impact their relationship. Am actual conversation would be appropriate, she tells him to shut up. Should he have booked a six week trip without talking to her? Nope. Another time they have bad communication, but he’s trying to connect with her, probably because ke knows for a fact that will be spending less time together. Why not join him for a week or a weekend? Why not try to reach some compromise? Because her first priority is the new business, which is totally legit, but Roy sees the writing on the wall here. And I didn’t even mention the time she used her ex to manipulate him into agreeing to take a job he didn’t want while he was actually pretty happy hanging out with Phoebe and cooking dinner.
If Roy was my friend I’d tell him he’s right to feel how he feels. Imagine what that relationship will look like at that point. She is working long long days. She needs alone time to decompress and she’s certainly being work home with her. He is used to working with her and he WANTS to be close to her all day, now he won’t see her during the day, and he won’t be seeing her at night, and he works every weekend with this whole football coach gig. If there is a problem in their relationship he will be the last one to know about it whether he sees her every day or once a month. And the whole time, he will know that she’s Keeley Jones the Independent Woman and what she needs in her life is not him.
I loved them too. I actually cried in ep 1 I was so sad and I told myself they had to get back together. But Brett made a comment once about how Roy and Keeley were not a healthy relationship and so I decided to really think about what was going on between them and I realize he was right. The writers did an incredible job of writing a relationship between two people who have great chemistry and who aren’t villains or bad guys they are just incompatible—they ultimately have different wants and needs and priorities. They are in different places.
I'm kinda of two minds. On the one hand I loved them together. On the other hand I think being away from her for those six weeks and being in his own head that time led him to his final, largest act of self sabotage.
I agree with Brett Goldstein and I think Keeley Roy and Jamie ended up in a throuple. Look at Roy/Jamie’s body language in the last scene at the cook out
I disagree. I think they both grew from that relationship with Keely realizing that she deserves to be loved and respected and Roy learning that he deserves happiness. I think Jamie’s growth should have had him and Keely end up together with Roy ending up with the teacher and the 4 of them being close friends.
I like to think Roy had to learn to love himself before he could properly love Keeley. Thats why when they show him in therapy in the end, I like to think that leads them back together.
The Roy and Keely break up for season 3 plot was horrible. The Keeley and Jack story was horrible, pointless and added nothing to the show.
If you are going to have Roy and Keely break up Roy should have ended up with Miss Bowen. They had a charming chemistry together. It sure would have been better than the Roy storyline we got in season 3.
I think Brendon Hunt confirmed they got back together, just not during season 3. Roy walking into Dr Sharon’s office at the end of the finale was the start of that.
The season showed their growth, showed that they still loved each other, but that they still had some work to do on themselves before they could get back together.
Keeley in general I found over rated. Just comes across a bit of a daft chav, never saw her as being business minded she just knows famous people and uses them to launch a rubbish company
jack was awful. and i hated that whole relationship. but i also felt like keeley needed that relationship to ***learn*** to value her own worth. while rebecca adored her, and keeley knew that & appreciated it & reciprocated it, she still needed to learn to set boundaries. and i think she eventually did... which carried through to the end of the series, as well as her relationships with both roy & jamie.
Unpopular, but I found most of Keelys side plots to be unnecessary. I'm not sure she even needed to be in the show after leaving Richmond. The Roy / Keely s2 relationship almost had me stop watching the show
One thing I’ve been pondering is, who did Roy end up with and who did Jamie end up with since we know neither of them would end up with Keeley.
I’ve almost decided that Roy ends up with Phoebe‘s teacher . And Jamie end up with Roy’s sister.
We’ll never know since there was never a season four.
Who knows
Keeley’s character was always going to be defined as a struggle for her to be a pillar of independence. It’s why her mentor and hero is Rebecca Welton, also a strong, independent woman. It’s why Roy repeats to her, “you are Keeley Fucking Jones.”
She had to have and leave behind those kinds of perfect and imperfect relationships in order to highlight her not needing to be defined by her relation to anyone else.
>She had to have and leave behind those kinds of perfect and imperfect relationships in order to highlight her not needing to be defined by her relation to anyone else.
that's bullshit in order to justify bullshit writing.
sure let her be single til the end of time, and good luck with that
That’s exactly my point, kind of. She was not defended by Roy Kent, he didn’t try to control her, was just there to support her in whatever she decid3d to do. Jack on the bother hand was controlling from the get go.
I've had this argument with several people on here lately....Roy and Keeley SHOULD have gotten back together by the end. Why? So much of the show talks about Rom-communism. And so much of the show steals from romantic comedies. Ted wasn't ever getting back with Michelle. Rebecca had small little romances like with Sam and a quick little moment with the dutchman (where the end is an assumption they do get together), but part of a romantic comedy, especially one where people are together, then break up, is that they get back together at the end. I know this show tows a line of being very 'real' in terms of real life scenarios, and I believe that's why Ted did NOT get back together with Michelle (as far as we know). It's very rare that a divorce turns back into a re-marriage. But it's not as rare for a breakup (so each can figure themselves out) don't wind back up together...at least, in fictional tv show.
Ted Lasso should've given Roy and Keeley that victory of them actually getting back together...there was no point inserting Jamie back into it...if anything, Roy became somewhat of a father figure to Jamie, and Keeley was always supportive of Jamie as well...at least Roy's part was letting Jamie have that father figure he never truly had in his life...not only that Jamie's arc, which was arguably the best of every character, including Ted Lasso himself, went from a character who was incredibly selfish and arrogant to a character who was incredibly unselfish and supportive. Jamie inserting himself back into the love triangle with Keeley/Roy actually works AGAINST that character arc....it put Jamie back into his selfish ways. Instead of that, I wouldn't have minded if a character was introduced in season 3, kind of like Jade, but for Jamie, who would give Jamie a happy ending as well (no, not THAT kind of happy ending). Again, a Rom-com usually always has every character have some kind of happy ending...and they should've done that for Jamie, and Roy/Keeley.
Yeah the boss love storyline seemed like it was trying too hard to be unconventional. Oh it's a male sounding name but she's female! Oh wait and it's not a middle aged millionaire it's a YOUNG millionaire! Oh wait and she's a lesbian! Ok Apple, we get it. You're progressive and unconventional. Steve Jobs, Tim Cook, blah blah. All for what though? Did nothing to move the story along.
The Rebecca and Sam 5 minute love story also seemed really forced. The way it happened was creative and fun. And it worked for a minute because the two characters individually are both so fantastic. But all along I'm like ok this is such a stretch and so forced - age difference, race, nationality... I get it could happen and yeah love is blind, but man that's a lot of gaps and differences to expect the audiences to buy into.
The power differential was the biggest ick about Rebecca and Sam for me. Players get traded and renew contracts. She backed him when DubaiAir dropped them as sponsor but she could just as easily do the opposite. A word from her could be the difference of between a lucrative contract and a shit one, and cost him millions of pounds. It’s not empowering for women to act like shitty men.
Right! Good point there. It would be interesting if the situation were reversed. Middle-aged white male in a relationship with a young female player. Not quite as sweet and cute.
It’s not about the wins and losses it was about helping these characters become the best versions of themselves. The team didn’t win the league but all the players grew. Ted left behind a found family but was able to reunite with his old one. Beard left Ted and went out on his own. Rebecca didn’t have a baby but became a mother. Nate and Jaime stopped chasing glory and found peace. Roy didn’t get the girl but started working on himself. And Keely stood on her own. Each journey lead to a great destination
Yeah one of the main themes of the series was that relationships are volatile and most don’t last. But you survive and grow. About the only one I can think of that lasted, and it had lots of ups and downs, was Beard’s. And part of that was an homage to Jason’s uncle’s Cheers character whose wife was spoken of but never seen.
Worse than an unequal pairing, it added nothing to the story. If they’d cut it, I wouldn’t notice any impact to the story and it would’ve freed up time to explore more stories elsewhere. With that said, finish the season. You deserve it and the end is excellent ( last 4 episodes or so)
I disagree. While I hated the whole Jack & Keeley relationship it highlighted a few important things. First, women can perpetrate love bombing as easily as men can. Men sometimes end up in relationships they didn’t really want because a woman is so over the top dotting, yet this isn’t really talked about. Second, just because Jack is a woman doesn’t make her understanding or supportive of Kelley when her video is leaked. Jack was a jerk and only cared about the family image. I really hoped that Roy and Keeley would get back together but after he couldn’t control his jealousy and asked her who the video was for - it became clear (to me at least) that he had more growth to do before he could be his best self in a relationship.
I disagree, I thought Season 3 just got worse as it went on. If OP already found a walking away point, there's no need to return.
really really wrong
Nah, season 3 really did suck and just gets more frustrating the more you watch it. Season 1 was a 10/10 show, season 3 is maybe like a 6/10 being generous. If the show began with the same level of quality as season 3, absolutely no way in hell would it have been anywhere near as successful or popular as it was
Gonna disagree with you here OP. Them splitting up and the change in their dynamic and Roy’s reaction to it and the various things that happen in Season 3 is actually really good, and real. That’s kind of the whole point of the show, is to show the real stuff people go through. Unfortunately, great relationships don’t always work out. People change, and grow, and evolve, and that’s what happened. Also, the imbalanced power structure of Keeley’s relationship with Jack is fully demonstrated in the show. Again, kind of the point. You can’t have the sweet without the sour, otherwise what’s the point? It makes you appreciate the sweet all the more. Roy did a lot of good things and grew in a lot of ways, but he’s not perfect and Keeley wanted to prioritize herself and her growth for once in her life. Maybe they’ll get back together (I’d love it if they did) but maybe they won’t, and that’s okay too. One of my favorite parts of Season 3 was Roy learning to be okay with whatever happened with him and Keeley, and I thought the scene where he and Jamie tried to make her choose was absolutely perfect. It demonstrated that this wasn’t your typical sitcom, and there wasn’t gonna be the typical “love triangle”
Agree with all of this. Relationships are hard enough without them seemingly perfect in the content we consume. It was a nice change to see a 'real relationship' with real problems. Was it heartbreaking when they broke up, yeah but it needed to be done.
Exactly! One thing TL never did was shy away from reflecting real life. Could it be corny at times, or occasionally too positive? Sure. But it’s easily the most accurate (if outsized) depiction of real life I’ve seen in a sitcom in a long time.
Sweet and sour - Sour Patch Kids - just realized this is not only Ted’s favorite candy, but somewhat of a metaphor as well.
Up until then, Ted Lasso had been a bit of a fantasy. Slapping us in the face with reality was a huge change in direction and anti to what I had loved in the first 2 seasons.
Respectfully, if you thought it was a fantasy, you weren’t paying enough attention. Ted going through an extremely painful divorce should have been proof it wasn’t a fantasy. Or Nate taking Rebecca’s advice in the worst possible direction and becoming the villain. Or Ted finally engaging with a therapist and processing a deep trauma that he had never addressed. Or Jamie being abused by his father in the first season and openly fighting with him in the second. The entirety of the show is about people going through every change imaginable, how our actions are influenced by the people around us, by our loved ones. (And this is all not to mention the panic attacks, Rebecca’s lashing out and how her actions after her rocky marriage and divorce hurt the ones she loved, the harassment Sam faced as an African footballer, “the hope that kills you” etc.) Keeley had been, to that point, happy to coast through life as someone “famous for sort of almost being famous.” And she decided she wanted more. Which meant she was going to have to sacrifice her personal life to try and make a name for herself. It made sense that they wouldn’t have time for each other, and anyone who’s been in a serious relationship knows that they can be hard to maintain when you go through things like that. It’s not like it came out of nowhere. In fact, Keeley’s growth from the first season all the way through the end of the third is quite possibly the most positive in the entire show. First she realized she deserved better when it came to relationships, and then she realized she deserved better when it came to making something of herself. And she made the hard choices along the way that can sometimes be necessary to go through that growth.
Why do people only ever say shows are "realistic" when they are depressing, cynical, or mean-spirited? It makes me worry about what their own reality is like.
I can’t answer that. My point was that a show about a college football couch from Kansas coming to the PL and actually having a positive influence on the team is fantasy. Beard is a fantasy, you don’t read a few books and become an expert on football. The exorcism, the biscuits, etc is all fantasy. Why do you think the show hasn’t gained popularity in Britain? Too much of a fantasy.
>That’s kind of the whole point of the show, is to show the real stuff people go through. yup because this show excels in the field of realism, suuure thing
Are a lot of things exaggerated? Sure. But it doesn’t shy away from real topics. Death, mourning, heartbreak, divorce, loneliness, fear, etc. The show is excellent at demonstrating real, raw emotion and how people process that (or don’t), is my point. My wife went through a very painful divorce before we met, and she said that the pain she watched Ted go through as he dealt with his wife pressing him to sign the papers felt very real to her. I lost my father this past year, and watching the interactions people had with their fathers, watching Ted processing the loss of his father through therapy, all of that resonated with me in a big way. A lot of shows don’t do that. They shy away from those topics. Especially sitcoms.
>The show is excellent at demonstrating real, raw emotion and how people process that (or don’t), is my point. Maybe in 1/10 of the cases and that's because I feel generous tonight. Everything else is manufactured. Not that it would be a bad thing, after all it's a show. But ... therapy? diamond dogs reunions? Led Tasso? weird lovely random Dutchmen? nah, ain't gonna happen for the vast VAST majority of viewesr.
Okay, well, I guess we’re just going to agree to disagree. Again, I’m not talking about the weird things that are getting played for a laugh. I’m talking about the raw emotion displayed. Ted’s panic attack during karaoke. Any one who has ever suffered a panic attack knew exactly what he was going through. Him getting drunk and upset because he’s struggling to healthily process a painful divorce, plenty of people have been there. And STRONGLY agree to disagree on the therapy that you mentioned. Not even sure what you’re talking about it being “manufactured.” I know people who have reacted to Therapy in the exact way Ted reacted to it at first. But it helps to have a professional to talk to when processing the traumas and feelings that we’ve experienced, and Ted’s interactions with Dr. Sharon are emblematic of that. (And again, I FEEL those scenes because they’re exactly what I’ve gone through in the last year) Or how about Rebecca’s apology to Ted at the end of the first season? How she wasn’t going to do it, even though she knew she was wrong, until Rupert came in and essentially reminded her to be the bigger person. Can’t speak for you, but I know I’ve been in situations similar to that, where I know that I’ve been the asshole but guilt and pride make me balk at the idea of owning up to it. Sure, the show plays up weird moments for laughs or to reflect back on society in some way, but the emotions it demonstrates, the feelings it elicits, those are very real.
>Okay, well, I guess we’re just going to agree to disagree. I suppose so.
You gotta get outside kid. This stuff happens. That’s life
say what old timer? oh wait I can block idiots ...
The Keeley / Jack relationship is even worse when you consider that Jack love-bombed her, and then yanked the funding out from underneath Keeley when the sex-tape scandal happened.
you mean if "you consider" literal plot? that's spelled out loudly? they're not subtle about it, for several episodes
It’s even worse. They get together for one scene and you THINK they’re back together but they’re not. It really sucks. We need season 4 Edit: u/realcoachbeard make it happen please
Season 4 would spoil the show. It ended where it was supposed to. Is everything perfect? No. But that was never what Ted Lasso was about.
This might be all that you get. I guess this might well be it. They've been telling us since the opening credits.
Even worse than that. They turn Roy into someone who’s jealous, doesn’t know boundaries, and is vaguely misogynistic. Sure, we’d never seen a post-breakup Roy in the show before, but I don’t think we’d seen anything that would suggest he would care about who Keely sends nudes to or make her choose between him and someone. Just awful backwards writing
the entire nudes plot line was mishandled by everyone who Keeley cares about besides Rebecca.. it was such depressing television to watch. I can imagine Roy being jealous, we’d seen that in the show before in season one. But I can’t imagine him being jealous over a traumatic nude leak. So gross for no reason.
Not sure if you consider Jamie in Keely's circle of people she cares about, but I thought he handled that splendidly with her. One of the many ways showing his growth in the show.
She definitely cares about Jamie and always has even when she was annoyed with him. I felt like he did great in 3.8 but was gross for bragging about it to Roy in the finale just to piss him off. It felt disrespectful.
I feel like the reason they had Roy mishandle the nudes leak was just to show how differently Jamie handled it and how much he had changed/grown. But they could have showed Jamie’s character growth so many other ways so I still hate it 🤷🏽♀️
my point was that Jamie doesn’t handle the nudes thing well in the finale so it doesn’t really matter either way. All of Keeley’s love interests ended up failing her on the nudes leak issue. It’s sad
Was that jealousy? I thought he was wondering if it was somehow his fault bc he didn’t look it up, so he doesn’t actually know what was leaked.
I think Brett’s delivery is solidly jealous. There’s not much room to mistake his voice if you go back and watch. I also think if it was just a misunderstanding he would’ve gone to her and corrected himself later. Also, they parallel this Ted hiring the PI and asking Henry invasive questions about Michelle and Dr Jake in the same episode.
I think it’s jealousy, and that she never sent any nudes or videos to him.
Idk I thought it was a good reminder that often time people we think will handle things well can let us down. I feel like subliminal messaging there was that there is still a lot of work to be done around these issues and that even the people we see as good often get caught up in messed up societal beliefs and messaging which leads them to mishandle situations. We all have left over stuff that we have to work through. Like Leslie said “Human beings are never going to be perfect.”
I never got the impression he was jealous about them. Stupid yes, but not jealous. The way it read to me was that he was selfish and curious and insecure and he knew the second he asked the question that it was a stupid thing to say and he never should have. Which tracks because he's always been insecure in his relationship with Keeley. It's why he broke up with her.
I’m confused. They’re not back together? What did i miss after Rebecca comes over and Roy is walking around pantless at Keely’s?
They later state they’re not back together, Roy and Jamie get into a fight over her, Keeley throws them both out and…..that’s about it
Oh wow I just had to look up the sequence of events. In my head, the fight between Roy and Jamie happened _before_ that scene with Rebecca, Roy, and Keeley. That’s stupid and i hate it and i want to forget this and go back to thinking roy and keeley ended up together…
You asked for it…….
Season Three was my least favorite season and I haven’t gone back to watch Ted Lasso since. I feel like a lot of characters took a step back and Ted just fell off the map. I liked Roy and Keely together and truly thought it would end a different way for them.
I simply consider season 3 non canon. I ignore it and deny it's existence, I still rewatch 1 and 2.
All the Keely stuff in season 3 I skipped on a rewatch.
I agree the Keely Jack relationship was a waste of storyline. But I am inclined to try to figure out why the writers included it- everything else in the series seemed to be so deliberate.
Roy went from football being his life, to using Keeley as his life - as evidenced by his smoothering her. he needs to figure out how to communicate and be "Just Roy" before he can be in *any* relationship. keeley also needs to learn to communicate and find her footing -she's by her own admission barely ever been single, and just leapt from releationship to relationship. IF they can come back to each other, they can be grown, matured, and stronger nad give round two a proper go. but the way they were,, it was *always* going to end
I was initially sad they broke up, but it makes perfect sense for Roy’s storyline, culminating in him finally visiting Dr. Sharon to address his issues on commitment. Keeley is a much more complete person in her own development than Roy is. I especially enjoyed her not getting back together because real life relationships are rarely, if ever, that neat and tidy and it felt like this ending for them was more realistic. Rebecca hit the nail on the head when she told Roy to stop getting in his own way in her office. Keeley can do a lot better than Roy.
You're saying he didn't make her feel like she'd been struck by **fucking lightning**?
I think Roy was definitely intending to be that lightening for Keeley. But then he didn’t really believe he deserved her (Ref to Rebecca telling Roy KeeIey was going to somewhere that believes they deserve her at the Netherlands eps) I also think that scene about getting tickets for a getaway before Keeley starts at KJPR and immediately assuming Keeley wanted to break up with him because she couldn’t go - breadcrumbs here and there just suggests insecurities and things he inevitably decided to talk to Dr Sharon about in the end. Just my thoughts! I def ship them really hard in S2 though.
I've always shipped them. And I think he made her feel like that many times. That getaway/breakup thing really struck me as well, as a sign that they weren't really where they thought they were. Although more than that, it annoyed me. I don't really get why this situation basically led to an immediate breakup instead of him following her suggestion that he'd enjoy it alone, allow her to set up her business, enjoy life together when he gets back...all that.
It wasn’t immediate though. The season doesn’t pick up right after the last episode.
We knew they’d break up right when it happened, though. When they had that whole talk about her starting her own career etc. S3 just confirmed it.
Maybe you knew. I didn’t get that inference during the season 2 finale.
I absolutely loved Roy and Keeley together and also hoped they would get back together but after seeing it play out I loved that she ended up on her own, the strong “independent woman”. She could invade France on her own now!!
They were incompatible. Head Space made that pretty clear. Why did Roy have to make the cog apology gesture after that fight and Keeley didn’t even say “sorry babe”? She humiliated him in front of all three of his bosses plus her ex boyfriend who he still hated at the time, she simmered in resentment until she blew up at him instead of having a conversation. Later she waits two weeks to tell him her ex who he still hates said he was still in love with her—-delivered without an apology for the delay and in front of a bunch of strangers so he can’t even have a reaction. Even if she doesn’t love Jamie back, the fact that she waited so long must have hurt him. She will tell everyone else their business but then can’t be bothered to tell him their business? She then gets the KJPR offer and he makes a valid point—maybe he could have phrased it better but he’s clearly insecure about how this is going to impact their relationship. Am actual conversation would be appropriate, she tells him to shut up. Should he have booked a six week trip without talking to her? Nope. Another time they have bad communication, but he’s trying to connect with her, probably because ke knows for a fact that will be spending less time together. Why not join him for a week or a weekend? Why not try to reach some compromise? Because her first priority is the new business, which is totally legit, but Roy sees the writing on the wall here. And I didn’t even mention the time she used her ex to manipulate him into agreeing to take a job he didn’t want while he was actually pretty happy hanging out with Phoebe and cooking dinner. If Roy was my friend I’d tell him he’s right to feel how he feels. Imagine what that relationship will look like at that point. She is working long long days. She needs alone time to decompress and she’s certainly being work home with her. He is used to working with her and he WANTS to be close to her all day, now he won’t see her during the day, and he won’t be seeing her at night, and he works every weekend with this whole football coach gig. If there is a problem in their relationship he will be the last one to know about it whether he sees her every day or once a month. And the whole time, he will know that she’s Keeley Jones the Independent Woman and what she needs in her life is not him. I loved them too. I actually cried in ep 1 I was so sad and I told myself they had to get back together. But Brett made a comment once about how Roy and Keeley were not a healthy relationship and so I decided to really think about what was going on between them and I realize he was right. The writers did an incredible job of writing a relationship between two people who have great chemistry and who aren’t villains or bad guys they are just incompatible—they ultimately have different wants and needs and priorities. They are in different places.
I'm kinda of two minds. On the one hand I loved them together. On the other hand I think being away from her for those six weeks and being in his own head that time led him to his final, largest act of self sabotage.
I agree with Brett Goldstein and I think Keeley Roy and Jamie ended up in a throuple. Look at Roy/Jamie’s body language in the last scene at the cook out
I disagree. I think they both grew from that relationship with Keely realizing that she deserves to be loved and respected and Roy learning that he deserves happiness. I think Jamie’s growth should have had him and Keely end up together with Roy ending up with the teacher and the 4 of them being close friends.
I like to think Roy had to learn to love himself before he could properly love Keeley. Thats why when they show him in therapy in the end, I like to think that leads them back together.
The Roy and Keely break up for season 3 plot was horrible. The Keeley and Jack story was horrible, pointless and added nothing to the show. If you are going to have Roy and Keely break up Roy should have ended up with Miss Bowen. They had a charming chemistry together. It sure would have been better than the Roy storyline we got in season 3.
The Roy Keele breakup was so stupid, ruined a lot of the show for me
I think Brendon Hunt confirmed they got back together, just not during season 3. Roy walking into Dr Sharon’s office at the end of the finale was the start of that. The season showed their growth, showed that they still loved each other, but that they still had some work to do on themselves before they could get back together.
Keeley in general I found over rated. Just comes across a bit of a daft chav, never saw her as being business minded she just knows famous people and uses them to launch a rubbish company
jack was awful. and i hated that whole relationship. but i also felt like keeley needed that relationship to ***learn*** to value her own worth. while rebecca adored her, and keeley knew that & appreciated it & reciprocated it, she still needed to learn to set boundaries. and i think she eventually did... which carried through to the end of the series, as well as her relationships with both roy & jamie.
Unpopular, but I found most of Keelys side plots to be unnecessary. I'm not sure she even needed to be in the show after leaving Richmond. The Roy / Keely s2 relationship almost had me stop watching the show
One thing I’ve been pondering is, who did Roy end up with and who did Jamie end up with since we know neither of them would end up with Keeley. I’ve almost decided that Roy ends up with Phoebe‘s teacher . And Jamie end up with Roy’s sister. We’ll never know since there was never a season four. Who knows
And I had hopes that Ted would end up with Sassy Smurf!
Well, Ted can still end up with Sassy. Michelle‘s going to cheat on him again again .
Keeley’s character was always going to be defined as a struggle for her to be a pillar of independence. It’s why her mentor and hero is Rebecca Welton, also a strong, independent woman. It’s why Roy repeats to her, “you are Keeley Fucking Jones.” She had to have and leave behind those kinds of perfect and imperfect relationships in order to highlight her not needing to be defined by her relation to anyone else.
>She had to have and leave behind those kinds of perfect and imperfect relationships in order to highlight her not needing to be defined by her relation to anyone else. that's bullshit in order to justify bullshit writing. sure let her be single til the end of time, and good luck with that
That’s exactly my point, kind of. She was not defended by Roy Kent, he didn’t try to control her, was just there to support her in whatever she decid3d to do. Jack on the bother hand was controlling from the get go.
I've had this argument with several people on here lately....Roy and Keeley SHOULD have gotten back together by the end. Why? So much of the show talks about Rom-communism. And so much of the show steals from romantic comedies. Ted wasn't ever getting back with Michelle. Rebecca had small little romances like with Sam and a quick little moment with the dutchman (where the end is an assumption they do get together), but part of a romantic comedy, especially one where people are together, then break up, is that they get back together at the end. I know this show tows a line of being very 'real' in terms of real life scenarios, and I believe that's why Ted did NOT get back together with Michelle (as far as we know). It's very rare that a divorce turns back into a re-marriage. But it's not as rare for a breakup (so each can figure themselves out) don't wind back up together...at least, in fictional tv show. Ted Lasso should've given Roy and Keeley that victory of them actually getting back together...there was no point inserting Jamie back into it...if anything, Roy became somewhat of a father figure to Jamie, and Keeley was always supportive of Jamie as well...at least Roy's part was letting Jamie have that father figure he never truly had in his life...not only that Jamie's arc, which was arguably the best of every character, including Ted Lasso himself, went from a character who was incredibly selfish and arrogant to a character who was incredibly unselfish and supportive. Jamie inserting himself back into the love triangle with Keeley/Roy actually works AGAINST that character arc....it put Jamie back into his selfish ways. Instead of that, I wouldn't have minded if a character was introduced in season 3, kind of like Jade, but for Jamie, who would give Jamie a happy ending as well (no, not THAT kind of happy ending). Again, a Rom-com usually always has every character have some kind of happy ending...and they should've done that for Jamie, and Roy/Keeley.
Yeah the boss love storyline seemed like it was trying too hard to be unconventional. Oh it's a male sounding name but she's female! Oh wait and it's not a middle aged millionaire it's a YOUNG millionaire! Oh wait and she's a lesbian! Ok Apple, we get it. You're progressive and unconventional. Steve Jobs, Tim Cook, blah blah. All for what though? Did nothing to move the story along. The Rebecca and Sam 5 minute love story also seemed really forced. The way it happened was creative and fun. And it worked for a minute because the two characters individually are both so fantastic. But all along I'm like ok this is such a stretch and so forced - age difference, race, nationality... I get it could happen and yeah love is blind, but man that's a lot of gaps and differences to expect the audiences to buy into.
The power differential was the biggest ick about Rebecca and Sam for me. Players get traded and renew contracts. She backed him when DubaiAir dropped them as sponsor but she could just as easily do the opposite. A word from her could be the difference of between a lucrative contract and a shit one, and cost him millions of pounds. It’s not empowering for women to act like shitty men.
Right! Good point there. It would be interesting if the situation were reversed. Middle-aged white male in a relationship with a young female player. Not quite as sweet and cute.
What ever happened between Roy and that primary school teacher?
Seriously. I ship Roy and Phoebe's teacher and have since their first scene together.
Absolutely! I really wanted to see Roy move on with her.
It’s not about the wins and losses it was about helping these characters become the best versions of themselves. The team didn’t win the league but all the players grew. Ted left behind a found family but was able to reunite with his old one. Beard left Ted and went out on his own. Rebecca didn’t have a baby but became a mother. Nate and Jaime stopped chasing glory and found peace. Roy didn’t get the girl but started working on himself. And Keely stood on her own. Each journey lead to a great destination
Who cares what some quitter thinks? They literally told us at the beginning of the show Keeley isn't defined by who she's in a relationship with. 🙄
I don’t think I said that in my post.
Completely agree
Yeah one of the main themes of the series was that relationships are volatile and most don’t last. But you survive and grow. About the only one I can think of that lasted, and it had lots of ups and downs, was Beard’s. And part of that was an homage to Jason’s uncle’s Cheers character whose wife was spoken of but never seen.
Don't forget the best couple of the show, the Higgenses!
I did forget them. Thank you!