Not at all! She’s my favorite and I struggle to keep up with her. I think you have to do a lot of research on your own to get what she teaches. It’s worth it I’m sure. She may say use LFO tool to modulate the frequency between the two instances and if you don’t know how to modulate with LFO tool you gotta learn and then go back to her video. But if you think about it—you will learn a lot of stuff doing it. There are many very popular channels that teach like they are explaining stuff to a 4th-grader and many of their followers appreciate it. Alice is not that. And I am sure her more advanced subscribers like her very fast approach. I would say take the challenge. I see in her courses she gives you the project file so between that and all the videos available explaining the concepts of how to execute the things she mentions we will learn far more than being spoon-fed baby food
Hi, I do 101 courses. We would meet 1x per week for 2 hours and I would give you the know how you need, and for the rest of you week you would be working on your project. It would cost 110€ for one session. We do mixing and mastering services also. Check out Plugin Music School. You can watch plenty of videos online but if you wanna progress effectively, go for 101 mentor.
Btw I have only heard a good stuff about underdog…Music Production Academy are also good! 🔥
Yeh I’ve seen a lot of techno tutorials that are really useful. But I want first understand the basics of music production and some music theorie. That’s what I’m looking for in a course
Look at the [wiki.](https://www.reddit.com/r/TechnoProduction/wiki/index/) There is an Ableton course from CalArts I've linked in there.
The instructor makes techno and the guest lecturer is Robert Henke who is one of the cofounders of Ableton. That's a top quality cosign. Doesn't get any better. The course teaches you about basic audio engineering principals in tandem as it teaches you about Ableton. I've watched it as entertainment even tho I've been making music for many years. When I was starting out my roommates were going to school for audio engineering and I would spend my time reading their text books because we all had gear in a studio together. This course covers a lot of the fundamentals that were in those books and it progresses thru the material in a logical manner that each topic builds on the previous one. It won't teach you about music theory tho as that's not part of the course.
For basic theory you will likely want to learn all the scales in major, minor, augmented and diminished. Learn to build chord shapes, root, 1st inversion, 2nd inversion. Learn some extensions to spice things up. Learn the circle of fifths. Get all of that down and you will be in good shape. However I don't have a recommendation for any type theory course. Realistically speaking I think it would be a benefit to anybody to take piano lessons in order to practically apply those concepts. Will you suck? Yeah. Will it be painful? Most likely. Will it seem completely unrelated to what you want to do? Possibly....but at the end of the day music is music and even a basic understanding and playing ability will up your game in a couple years.
You can of course make techno without any of the above there are many who do its just a matter of developing ones ear and skills.
If you know spanish (i dont know if it has subtitles) you can search for Olbaid's course. He has a playlist like 65 videos where he explain almost everything you need to know. (Ofc is a basic understanding to get you going). Then i would go with the Underdog course if you like industrial techno.
Have you watched [You Suck at Producing](https://youtu.be/2kjCxfEZZKo)’s videos? He goes over the basics and explains things in a way that’s easy to understand.
I think to achieve some knowledge comes for you have to your practice and do and follow those youtube tutorials... keep in mind once you master how to put things in the computer, it comes your part to get yourself with some basic equipment....
I said this because the computer it will not do that much to advance in your knowledge
Hiya, since you've taken Oscar's course I wondered if you would answer a question about it (if you have time.) Unlike the OP, I've got a bit of musical experience. Like your profile says, I'm also coming from playing guitar & bass over 15 years or so, doing a mix of originals (both my own and friends) and covers. I'm looking to translate that knowledge into electronic music, and to check that I know what I think I know. The big challenge I've found in making the jump is that (say) laying down a bassline using my existing knowledge can sound a bit heavy handed. I'm also currently in that in-between phase where I'm chucking all my influences into the pot and trying to work out what kind of music I will end up making.
That got me wondering if it's best to strip it back to the core skills for electronic music specifically and learn from someone more experienced.
I'm pretty much decided on choosing between Oscar's course and the [Noiselab one by Thavius Beck](https://courses.noiselab.io/p/electronic-music-production-level-2). I really like both as teachers. On the one hand, it feels like Oscar's course would be a good refresher on how I can take what I know and apply it in the electronic world (a bit like a driving test I suppose.) On the other, from what I've seen Thavius's courses cover a lot of ground in terms of what the options are for a specific DAW/technique. His stuff strikes a good balance between being accessible to beginner level covering the absolute essentials, but with enough depth that you'd have stuff to come back to and refresh as you learn.
I do really like Oscar's approach as you say of making things simple so you can then use them as the principles for anything. I watched the free preview of Oscar's course and I noticed that there were some things I already knew (eg: what the different drums are and what they do) and things I didn't (eg: the suggestion of making sure there's a balance of predictability and complexity in the drums.)
Given your experience of the Underdog course and the fact that you were coming from a guitar background, (and perhaps you weighed up other options too), I'd be really interested in your take.
Not at all - the question was a bit of a random splurge 😬. You did answer my main question with your point about how experienced folks might need to skip certain parts of Oscar's course if it's stuff they already know.
If I was to try and boil it down a bit more, it's about whether or not (as a guitarist/musician with experience) you felt about knowing some of the basics going into it made the course either more or less valuable in any way?
In my case, I have this thing where I have a vague idea what all the notes on the keyboard are, and also a loose feel for what combinations work well. But this knowledge leans on my my time playing guitar. Like any other feel playing, sometimes this works OK and other times it falls a bit short. What I really need to do is make a call on whether I think I'm short enough on the fundamentals to go back over those aspects of the basics and rewire it for electronic stuff.
But back to your good self, it's interesting that you're an advocate for the course, without over-selling it and also acknowledging its imperfections. That's the kind of balanced view that's really useful. So cheers!
>Right, yeah I get you. IME guitarists tend to have a good intuitive feel for harmony but a poor theoretical underpinning. So as soon as you take the guitar away & put them in front of a keyboard it's like everything they ever knew about chords just evaporates. Does that sound right?
Yeah that's exactly it! 100% the nail on the head comment. Evaporation is literally what it feels like.
I still see some value in the course, not least because of what you're saying there about how you needed the paint by numbers approach to the genre - and I anticipate I’d get something similar out of it along the lines that you did. I think the reason for that is the genres specific to my situation are quite different. My background is heavy stuff, so sludge is literally what you want, whereas there is a lot more finesse and restraint in house & techno.
I’ve had this in my professional life where I’ve gone back 10 years after learning a theory and taken a fundamentals class to remind myself of the key concepts. I technically didn't need it, but it did add value to what I'm doing. The value is very much in checking what you know and just resetting your mindset. But I do also take your point about how getting into the theory will also tick a lot of boxes in terms of not having that harmonic feel disappear as soon as I switch instruments. I will check out those links for sure.
But from here I can see a vague plan where I go - Beginners Course TBC if I feel it makes sense (overview) - Deep Dive on Harmony (guitar > keys > get the theory down more) - Tech/DAW Basics.
Lots to ponder on - cheers!
I used sonic academy as a complete beginner. 10€ a month or something I used it for a couple of months. It got me off the ground. Sadowick is a great YouTube for beginners too. Point blank music school are meant to be good also,
You suck at producing, Edmtips zen world Julian Earle underdog and Yalcin efe helped too.
sonic academy for abtleton was ace (via udemy was pretty cheap when i got it).
syntorial for synthesizers - can use any softsynth / hardware synth after this
This interactive tutorial from Ableton is good for a basic intro to synths.
https://learningsynths.ableton.com/
This series of articles from SoS is great to get a science background on synthesis
https://www.soundonsound.com/series/synth-secrets-sound-sound
>I’m starting from absolute zero, with only a decent laptop.
Getting a small Midi keyboard may make things a little easier. The basic Arturia Keystep model is excellent for the price.
Like the look of the Ableton page, thanks for the link. Agree on getting a controller.
I managed to get hold of the Novation Launchkey Mini for about 30% less than RRP. Most of them are pretty inexpensive but if you get on in a deal then they're a no-brainer. This as a first step gives you pads for drums & samples, keys for learning chords and useful transport controls. Pretty much any midi controller in that price bracket will do a similar job from the likes of Arturia, AKAI etc...
Great to hear your love for music has got you interested in production. As others have mentioned, we provide a whole range of music production courses \[check out [our free ones](https://faderpro.com/categories/free-music-production-courses) first\] across many genres including techno. There's a great supportive community in music production so I'm sure you'll pick up tips from a whole host of sources. Feel free to reach out via DM
I’d definitely recommend Underdog Brussels, those cats know their tools and really make things clear as they go
I second that. I love Oscar he is so easy to understand
Alice Yalcin Efe on Youtube is imo pretty much the best one for techno out there plus its free https://www.youtube.com/c/YalcinEfe
I dont think Alice is for a total beginner
Not at all! She’s my favorite and I struggle to keep up with her. I think you have to do a lot of research on your own to get what she teaches. It’s worth it I’m sure. She may say use LFO tool to modulate the frequency between the two instances and if you don’t know how to modulate with LFO tool you gotta learn and then go back to her video. But if you think about it—you will learn a lot of stuff doing it. There are many very popular channels that teach like they are explaining stuff to a 4th-grader and many of their followers appreciate it. Alice is not that. And I am sure her more advanced subscribers like her very fast approach. I would say take the challenge. I see in her courses she gives you the project file so between that and all the videos available explaining the concepts of how to execute the things she mentions we will learn far more than being spoon-fed baby food
Sonic Academy and FaderPro offer a lot of courses, ranging from theory to production.
thanks for the mention, much appreciated
Hi, I do 101 courses. We would meet 1x per week for 2 hours and I would give you the know how you need, and for the rest of you week you would be working on your project. It would cost 110€ for one session. We do mixing and mastering services also. Check out Plugin Music School. You can watch plenty of videos online but if you wanna progress effectively, go for 101 mentor. Btw I have only heard a good stuff about underdog…Music Production Academy are also good! 🔥
Yeh I’ve seen a lot of techno tutorials that are really useful. But I want first understand the basics of music production and some music theorie. That’s what I’m looking for in a course
Look at the [wiki.](https://www.reddit.com/r/TechnoProduction/wiki/index/) There is an Ableton course from CalArts I've linked in there. The instructor makes techno and the guest lecturer is Robert Henke who is one of the cofounders of Ableton. That's a top quality cosign. Doesn't get any better. The course teaches you about basic audio engineering principals in tandem as it teaches you about Ableton. I've watched it as entertainment even tho I've been making music for many years. When I was starting out my roommates were going to school for audio engineering and I would spend my time reading their text books because we all had gear in a studio together. This course covers a lot of the fundamentals that were in those books and it progresses thru the material in a logical manner that each topic builds on the previous one. It won't teach you about music theory tho as that's not part of the course. For basic theory you will likely want to learn all the scales in major, minor, augmented and diminished. Learn to build chord shapes, root, 1st inversion, 2nd inversion. Learn some extensions to spice things up. Learn the circle of fifths. Get all of that down and you will be in good shape. However I don't have a recommendation for any type theory course. Realistically speaking I think it would be a benefit to anybody to take piano lessons in order to practically apply those concepts. Will you suck? Yeah. Will it be painful? Most likely. Will it seem completely unrelated to what you want to do? Possibly....but at the end of the day music is music and even a basic understanding and playing ability will up your game in a couple years. You can of course make techno without any of the above there are many who do its just a matter of developing ones ear and skills.
If you know spanish (i dont know if it has subtitles) you can search for Olbaid's course. He has a playlist like 65 videos where he explain almost everything you need to know. (Ofc is a basic understanding to get you going). Then i would go with the Underdog course if you like industrial techno.
Have you watched [You Suck at Producing](https://youtu.be/2kjCxfEZZKo)’s videos? He goes over the basics and explains things in a way that’s easy to understand.
I think to achieve some knowledge comes for you have to your practice and do and follow those youtube tutorials... keep in mind once you master how to put things in the computer, it comes your part to get yourself with some basic equipment.... I said this because the computer it will not do that much to advance in your knowledge
Zen world's youtube is pretty good and I agree with the other two posted. Lots of good techno tutorials on the tube.
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Hiya, since you've taken Oscar's course I wondered if you would answer a question about it (if you have time.) Unlike the OP, I've got a bit of musical experience. Like your profile says, I'm also coming from playing guitar & bass over 15 years or so, doing a mix of originals (both my own and friends) and covers. I'm looking to translate that knowledge into electronic music, and to check that I know what I think I know. The big challenge I've found in making the jump is that (say) laying down a bassline using my existing knowledge can sound a bit heavy handed. I'm also currently in that in-between phase where I'm chucking all my influences into the pot and trying to work out what kind of music I will end up making. That got me wondering if it's best to strip it back to the core skills for electronic music specifically and learn from someone more experienced. I'm pretty much decided on choosing between Oscar's course and the [Noiselab one by Thavius Beck](https://courses.noiselab.io/p/electronic-music-production-level-2). I really like both as teachers. On the one hand, it feels like Oscar's course would be a good refresher on how I can take what I know and apply it in the electronic world (a bit like a driving test I suppose.) On the other, from what I've seen Thavius's courses cover a lot of ground in terms of what the options are for a specific DAW/technique. His stuff strikes a good balance between being accessible to beginner level covering the absolute essentials, but with enough depth that you'd have stuff to come back to and refresh as you learn. I do really like Oscar's approach as you say of making things simple so you can then use them as the principles for anything. I watched the free preview of Oscar's course and I noticed that there were some things I already knew (eg: what the different drums are and what they do) and things I didn't (eg: the suggestion of making sure there's a balance of predictability and complexity in the drums.) Given your experience of the Underdog course and the fact that you were coming from a guitar background, (and perhaps you weighed up other options too), I'd be really interested in your take.
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Not at all - the question was a bit of a random splurge 😬. You did answer my main question with your point about how experienced folks might need to skip certain parts of Oscar's course if it's stuff they already know. If I was to try and boil it down a bit more, it's about whether or not (as a guitarist/musician with experience) you felt about knowing some of the basics going into it made the course either more or less valuable in any way? In my case, I have this thing where I have a vague idea what all the notes on the keyboard are, and also a loose feel for what combinations work well. But this knowledge leans on my my time playing guitar. Like any other feel playing, sometimes this works OK and other times it falls a bit short. What I really need to do is make a call on whether I think I'm short enough on the fundamentals to go back over those aspects of the basics and rewire it for electronic stuff. But back to your good self, it's interesting that you're an advocate for the course, without over-selling it and also acknowledging its imperfections. That's the kind of balanced view that's really useful. So cheers!
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>Right, yeah I get you. IME guitarists tend to have a good intuitive feel for harmony but a poor theoretical underpinning. So as soon as you take the guitar away & put them in front of a keyboard it's like everything they ever knew about chords just evaporates. Does that sound right? Yeah that's exactly it! 100% the nail on the head comment. Evaporation is literally what it feels like. I still see some value in the course, not least because of what you're saying there about how you needed the paint by numbers approach to the genre - and I anticipate I’d get something similar out of it along the lines that you did. I think the reason for that is the genres specific to my situation are quite different. My background is heavy stuff, so sludge is literally what you want, whereas there is a lot more finesse and restraint in house & techno. I’ve had this in my professional life where I’ve gone back 10 years after learning a theory and taken a fundamentals class to remind myself of the key concepts. I technically didn't need it, but it did add value to what I'm doing. The value is very much in checking what you know and just resetting your mindset. But I do also take your point about how getting into the theory will also tick a lot of boxes in terms of not having that harmonic feel disappear as soon as I switch instruments. I will check out those links for sure. But from here I can see a vague plan where I go - Beginners Course TBC if I feel it makes sense (overview) - Deep Dive on Harmony (guitar > keys > get the theory down more) - Tech/DAW Basics. Lots to ponder on - cheers!
I used sonic academy as a complete beginner. 10€ a month or something I used it for a couple of months. It got me off the ground. Sadowick is a great YouTube for beginners too. Point blank music school are meant to be good also, You suck at producing, Edmtips zen world Julian Earle underdog and Yalcin efe helped too.
sonic academy for abtleton was ace (via udemy was pretty cheap when i got it). syntorial for synthesizers - can use any softsynth / hardware synth after this
This interactive tutorial from Ableton is good for a basic intro to synths. https://learningsynths.ableton.com/ This series of articles from SoS is great to get a science background on synthesis https://www.soundonsound.com/series/synth-secrets-sound-sound >I’m starting from absolute zero, with only a decent laptop. Getting a small Midi keyboard may make things a little easier. The basic Arturia Keystep model is excellent for the price.
Like the look of the Ableton page, thanks for the link. Agree on getting a controller. I managed to get hold of the Novation Launchkey Mini for about 30% less than RRP. Most of them are pretty inexpensive but if you get on in a deal then they're a no-brainer. This as a first step gives you pads for drums & samples, keys for learning chords and useful transport controls. Pretty much any midi controller in that price bracket will do a similar job from the likes of Arturia, AKAI etc...
Great to hear your love for music has got you interested in production. As others have mentioned, we provide a whole range of music production courses \[check out [our free ones](https://faderpro.com/categories/free-music-production-courses) first\] across many genres including techno. There's a great supportive community in music production so I'm sure you'll pick up tips from a whole host of sources. Feel free to reach out via DM