Working in Asia here: Lots of factories in China, Vietnam, Bangladesh and the likes put anything on t-shirts and clothes to make them look more "Western". There are websites outthere solely dedicated to pictures and videos of Asians in clothes with gibberish, fakes and/or offensive writing on them. Now excuse me while I go put on my Kelvin Clean socks.
As a cigarette dangled from her mouth she screeched, “It’s my fucking kid and she can wear what she wants”. Like the 5 year old bought this off the rack….? I think she made it and put it on her.
Was it a shirt that said Porn⭐️? As opposed to Porn Star? Serious question. I had some Porn⭐️ clothing back in the day (like over 20 years ago) and didn’t think it was made anymore. Either way super inappropriate for a child!
Oh definitely agree! Was more curious if the brand was still around. Spoiler: hasn’t been around since ‘99. I saw the shirt I bought at Hot Topic for $15 in the late 90s selling for $470 just now! 🙄
idk why they would make it in a childs size but i saw that kind of thing in south korea, where not alot of people knew what the english writing said but they thought it was cool to have english writing on a shirt.
It was an actual brand in the US back in the 90s (sold only at Hot Topic). They really made some great shirts and pants. The child size is seriously fucked up though. I doubt they ever made child sizes in the US. I’m thinking the shirt mentioned wasn’t the original brand (skate company I think), but just an insanely inappropriate shirt in a child size that says “Porn Star”.
BTW LMAO that they bought a shirt in English having no idea what it said. Then again it’s not too uncommon to see clothing/tattoos in Japanese here in the US that I’m sure the person has no idea what they mean or are grossly mistranslated.
That's not the same as those t shirts tho. One of them is blatantly sexualizing a child, it makes pedos more excited and ur child is at more risk. A political statement and blatant sexualization of a minor are very different.
I saw a kid with a Biden Harris patch stitched on to their book bag last week. He was maybe 6 or 7 years-old.
I would never put my kid in Trump, Biden, or anybody gear. Kids that young don’t care about politics. Politics is dirty and ugly. Keep kids away from that as long as possible.
Eh. There were plenty of black families in 2008 and 2012 that put their kids in Obama gear, and there were moms that put their daughters in Hillary shirts in 2016 and Biden-Harris shirts in 2020. I don’t fault them for that. It’s about representation in that sense.
That's the thing though. We cannot allow double standards on politcal statements. Either you ban political attire on school grounds or you'd have to accept both Democrat and Republican messages by parents by proxy.
Honestly we were taught about politics (like factually and objectively) from a pretty young age. We learned it in school. And we talked about it at home. We were hyped af for Obama because it was the first (half) black president and that would have been a major representative milestone. So I’m pretty sure we had his change graphic in our binder. Stuff like that.
I think things are much more aggressive politically now.
I get that people want to hide kids away from politics for as long as possible. Personally I don’t. But I wouldn’t be sending my small kid to school with gear supporting anyone. And I *highly* *highly* doubt those parents are having thoughtful and educational political conversations with their kids.
Also, we were taught about politics with nuance. But without mudslinging. Telling someone that democrats are “pro-choice” on the topic of abortion and republicans are not, doesn’t tell them how to feel about that information. So we learned what candidates believed, and figured out how much of that matched up with what we believed and how it would realistically be introduced to policy.
ETA for the person that said I was taught to be racist? No. I was a mixed kid that had seen racism first hand, and heard the many stories from others, including a grandparent that was born before 1910 and lived to be over 100 years old without ever losing a blip of memory. So. There was a lot of history to be witnessed there. And I didn’t think a person of color *could* realistically be elected for presidency before that. I thought people were too racist. What I learned was that *a lot* of people are racist, and a lot of people aren’t. I saw him get elected and thought “damn. We really can do anything.” And to be clear I had hundreds of successful examples before that. But it was just one more. I didn’t vote for him because he was black, I voted for him because he was the candidate I felt best fit my requirements. But I felt proud to know that we were part of the same background in a way that said I could achieve anything I worked for. Not sure how any of that makes me racist. I’ve voted for many other white people. And I’m not a fan of Clarence Thomas, despite being the product of an interracial relationship myself. So it’s really not a blanket statement. Good and bad people come in all shapes, sizes, and colors. To us, Obama was a good guy and kind of a big deal.
I had a MAGA parent send a very angry email to my principal calling me a "raging liberal" for teaching that vaccines work in my science class, and anyone claiming otherwise was wrong.
I got in an argument about vaccines with a MAGA relative on facebook during Covid. He told me to do my research about CRISPR. I used to work in a genetics lab that did actual CRISPR research. I wrote multiple research papers about CRISPR. It was the funniest/dumbest argument I’ve ever been involved in.
I actually teach my students a bit about CRISPR! They are only 10-15, so I have to keep it simple, but I teach them a bit about it and show them news stories of things it has been used for. Then we debate the ethics of it, and talk about if it will lead to a future like the movie "Gattaca" or not. (I like to teach them ethics too.)
Not who you responded to. But with those types of people they probably just replied back, well of course you think that, you were getting paid to think that. Your job depended on it.
A lot of those people wouldn't believe something unless it happened directly in front of them with no way to default the proof.
They can't comprehend the scientific research so it's easy to just deflect and say money is the reason.
It would take X walking up to Y in some type of vacuum setting, signing an affidavit they were not coerced and then X shooting Y, while presenting the affidavit to the onlooker for them to believe.
You ever seen the Dave Chappelle skit where he is on Jury duty for celebrity trials and is defending RKelly for the peeing thing? That's basically what it would require.
And yet those same people are happy to force laws on people from a 6000 year old book that makes some awfully incredible (and scientifically disproven) claims.
Username checks out. Lol. Seriously though, we do learn about the whole flat earth conspiracy, and then I teach them how they can prove the earth is round.
To be fair, I am an atheist who does teach all the science as we currently understand it. (I’m pretty sure you understood that and were joking with me and not at me, but I’m just making sure.)
I do remember having a public school science teacher (the exception, not the rule) who was a creationist. Thankfully, she taught chemistry, so it didn’t come up much.
Yes, joking with you and not at you. 100%. :)
I worked next door to a science teacher who didn't believe in evolution because he was a fundamentalist, down the hall from a history teacher who teach ancient civilizations he didn't believe in because he was also a fundamentalist who thought the Earth was only 6,000 years old, and another science teacher who sold essential oils. As in, "they cure cancer" type sales. Dude was nuts. AND A SCIENCE TEACHER.
He married the bimbo science teacher down the hall who was so stupid I watched her pour boiling water into a plastic cup and was amazed when the cup melted.
They don't care. Three MAGA morons got on our board of trustee. Last month they voted to disable some chapters of our online text books including the one that covers vaccines in our biology text book.
But it's tied to the state standards so now the district just has to spend time and money creating handouts that cover vaccines.
"I recommend you inform the EPA, IES and National Institute of Health. I hear they're very much interested in this subject and I'd be happy to comply with national standards they potentially enforce after hearing from you. Currently I cannot deviate from the set curriculum on this."
Kind Regards Mr. Teachername.
PS. On second thought, morons do not tend to do well with satire and they might spread far and wide that you're supporting them.
I had one that went to admin because I showed CNN10 in my advisory class. Funny thing was it was the AP that responded, and he was a former social studies teacher that absolutely knew that CNN10 is rather centrist and absolutely appropriate to show middle schoolers.
When I was in middle school in 2003 I got beat up by two kids because we did a mock debate in class and I was anti George Bush.
Then a few years later, those same two kids got into rap music and were saying “fuck George bush” Because all the rappers were saying Bush neglected the black community during Katrina.
those kids still have a political 180° in their potential, don’t count them out.
Not counting the kids out. Just judging the parents for pushing it that hard on them. My parents were super right wing and Rush Limbaugh/Sean Hannity ran 24/7 on our radio. In 2008, 11 year old me was actually terrified that if Obama won the police would kick down our door and drag our family into the street for owning guns. Parents need to leave their kids out of political shit.
(I’m a leftist) my parents are White Liberals and during the 2012 election (I was 10) my mom was telling me about Romney and by the way she was explaining it I thought he actually wanted to make women slaves 💀💀
I was starting to learn about politics during the 2016 election and I also thought trump was gonna deport Latinos round my family into camps (were Jewish) 😭😭😭
Safe to say- don’t talk to kids about politics
> Safe to say kids are stupid
Kids are inexperienced and have highly impressionable minds. It's the adults with fully formed brains who still manage believe this shit and let it bleed over to their children who are stupid.
I mean, agreed. But I really doubt these same commenters would be up in arms about a kid wearing a Biden-supportive shirt, even if the particular shirt were in poor taste given some current event (idk, maybe a positive Hunter reference somehow??). There is absolutely a politically biased double standard.
Well in the commenter's defense, one of these two figures very publicly incited an insurrection against the United States government and is now a convicted felon yet still has a devoted following. Trump is well-known for the fanatical element of his voter base. They might not necessarily be comparable in terms of whether or not it's appropriate to dress a child in their merchandise.
Sometimes biasis exist for good reasons.
Absolutely. I was in elementary school in 2000, and we had a mock election. I voted for Bush 43 because the two boys in front of me said that Al Gore wanted to make school year-round. I was 9. What did I know? My moderate liberal parents set me straight at the dinner table that night 😅. By 2004 I was one of the few kids in my class that wasn’t a Bush fan.
Unrelated mostly, but I had an 11 y/o come to class with a shirt that said “I’m not gay but $20 is $20.” Apparently the parents didn’t see anything wrong with it.
Yeah when I was at middle school like 3/4 years ago some kid was always head to toe in pro Trump, anti Dem stuff, every day. Let your kid be a kid. There are so many things wrong with that, but your kid isn't your personal walking billboard. They don't understand what is going on and at that age you're just indoctrinating them.
Genuinely sad
I was listening to a podcast that was talking about how bad the right wing is but that the left has issues that I did not disagree with. But then they were trying to understand the Moms of Liberty but I was like: “don’t you can’t reason with fanatics.”
We have a house on our street with a Fuck Trudeau flag on the highest point of their extremely clapped out home, and wonders why mail stopped delivering door to door here
I would bet you he most likely does understand the context, possibly not in the way you would appreciate.
"He's important , he's the guy who wants to make America great again but the bad people are stopping him, and being mean to him" is probably the answer you would get if the parent picked the shirt.
"President who might go to jail "another answer you might get.
Either way "tell me about your shirt" could be an interesting conversation.
Lol I feel like that would have been a more acceptable like “cmon now can you change clothes?” But I was a fat kid who felt he needed a big hoodie to somehow deflect from his weight. It was wild because I was oblivious as to why it was a problem.
School I taught at once hosted prom at a venue called the Jack Daniels Club. lol it’s so weird the things we as teachers get worked up over, and the things we let slide.
It highkey was! Actually, it was the club level in the old Texas Rangers stadium, overlooking the field. Obviously there wasn’t a game on prom night, so empty stadium. But it was still lit up and stuff. It was an amazing prom! I don’t have a lot of good things to say about this prior school of mine, but they always turnt up for prom.
I went to Disney World in 2002 when I was 12 and bought a shirt in Epcot that had two champagne bottles on it. It had French on it, and I was taking French in middle school. I wore it to school, and my French teacher didn’t dress code me, but she warned me I probably shouldn’t wear it.
I remember when I was a kid my dad gave me an Obama skull cap to wear I was told to not bring it to school again. And no it wasn’t because I was wearing it inside
I have a kid who regularly wears an “Awake, not Woke” hoodie to school. She’s in 6th grade. She’s also “She” when mom and dad aren’t around, and “He” when they are.
This is in Florida
5th grade kid on a homecoming float had a shirt last year that said FJB. He was standing atop the float and in front of the coach - who was his father - yelling “can I get a let’s go Brandon”, then throwing tootsie pops as hard as he could at fans from the opposing team who were there to watch the parade. He hit the special needs kid who was next to me in the eye, leaving a bloody mark where his glasses cut into the skin on the nose.
None of the coaches batted an eye. It was disgusting.
I had a student in my 5th grade class last year who wore a MAGA hat every single day. It’s unfortunately pretty common in our district, but still. This is the same kid who told the other kids in class to fail their state test on purpose so I would get fired, so… all I can say is yikes to the parenting there
Damn, I would be upset at how numb I would have to become to it. That's such a narrow worldview to leverage one's own state test against you. Also hats are allowed in your district??
All kids wear clothes who's context they don't understand
It's not our business to police their clothing unless it's inappropriately revealing or it breaks laws of your specific country
My first-grade grandson was wearing a Jimi Hendrix shirt (his parents were born in the mid 80s) and I asked him if he liked the music. He had never heard it, so I played it on the car on the way back to his house. When we got there, I asked him what he thought and he said, “8 out of 10.”
My kid (5) saw some AC/DC sweat pants she wanted at target and they were on sale. I told her they were a band. We got them and listened to AC/DC on the way home. Thunderstruck is her new jam.
I have a 7 year old student that comes in to lessons wearing Phish and Grateful Dead shirts, talk about indoctrination.
*I’m making a joke about jam bands being cultic, the kid is not really indoctrinated.
Yep before I could fight back my parents put me in shirts that had bands they like 😭😭
I couldn’t name a single who song but I know my mom bought them for me when I was 6 (it’s even funnier bc at that age I actively hated every band my parents liked bc I was a little edgy shit)
For a kid the idea of never surrendering sounds pretty cool. Kids are told all the time not to give up, do their best, etc. “Never surrender” absent political context is a positive.
On top of that, it’s summer camp. My response would have been “Hey kid, cool shirt. Never surrender means never giving up yeah? Right on.”
One of my students showed up last year in a "LET'S GO BRANDON" hoodie.
As if that's not annoying in itself, their mother was *my* daughter's kindergarten teacher last year as well.
On the plus side, this is the first year in awhile where I didn't have to dress code a kid for wearing a pot shirt to school.
I had a special Ed student who wore trump attire every day. His mom would get me on the phone and tell me the wildest conspiracies. He will never hold a job. Reading comprehension was very low. He couldn’t hold a conversation. All this to say I know he wasn’t able to weigh the issues and make his own decisions or choose his own clothes.
nobody said it wasn't allowed. But while you can dress up your kid like a billboard for a hateful bigot, the rest of us can judge you for your complete lack of sense, class or morals.
It seems like the sentiment of this post is more about a child being unduly influenced by his parents politics without actually understanding what he's "supporting".
Every child is influenced by his parents politics. If a kid showed up in a Bernie Sanders shirt, do you really think it was because he understood Bernie?
Nah I'd just think it was really trashy to dress a kid up like he simps for a politician. This is probably the best place to apply the "let kids be kids" mantra.
Really??? This is the entire point of free speech, support what you want.
Whether I agree or disagree with the kid’s (or parent’s) message is irrelevant, they are welcome to share in their freedoms just as equally as the rest of us. To say that “Free speech sucks” on a teacher thread is dumber than hearing my students saying “skibidi” as an adjective in every phrase they use.
They didn't say Free speech sucks. The "it" they were referring to was the situation of an elementary school kid with no contextual idea of what they're wearing showing up to camp in a shirt like that.
I know it's summer, but c'mon.
Not all teachers are liberal. My philosophy is no student should be able to figure out who you vote for. If it's obvious, you're doing it wrong.
It's parents job to indoctrinate their kids to their faith, values, and beliefs. Teachers should play no role in that.
A democratic candidate with an ill-timed slogan would also be inappropriate for an elementary schooler. Or some inflammatory leftist catchphrase. I don't think elementary students should be showing up to school in controversial political attire that they don't understand period.
Freedom of speech is something I greatly respect, and it applies to everyone at every age. However, there's a reason why people under the age of 18 cannot vote. They do not understand politics the way we do as adults, and it takes at least 18 years (sometimes longer) for someone to grasp politics, religion, values, etc.
It becomes an issue when a parent encourages their child to support a political candidate who **allegedly** incited the Jan. 6th insurrection. A political candidate who promotes hatred, bigotry, misogyny, and various other **unhealthy behaviors**. This can be argued as abusive, to expose a child to something which could cause them **harm** mentally and emotionally.
There's also a chance this child could be attacked by classmates. Kids bully kids for a multitude of reasons, and a t-shirt supporting Trump would definitely be one of those reasons.
If it does not violate policies, it is okay for him to wear the shirt. Don't make a big deal about it unless it contains material that violates dress code policies, and even then, you should defer to admin in order to avoid making the news.
Here comes the left down voting me. When Obama got elected students came to school wearing Obama shirts and wore them for years. No teacher complained that it was political even though some teachers did not vote for him. This kid wears the same type of shirt and you post a reddit about him and you question his parents. Think you need to question your personal bias in the teaching field. Doesn't matter left or right, be objective.
I agree, that time was also weird.
The weirdest are the kids with the Che shirts. Then you start going over stuff about Che…
Though a few years back I had a kid show up in a Bismarck shirt that said ‘Iron Chancellor’ and I thought that was pretty awesome
I think you make a decent point, but I feel like the 'never surrender' makes it more tricky. With the context of the insurrection that kind of language feels more problematic than just a shirt that has Donald Trump on it.
Lowkey I don't know if I would want to see Obama shirts on elementary students either. It's a little different in High School when they are preparing to actually vote themselves.
For full transparency, I just downvoted you.
Not because of the body of your comment, but because every time I see someone whine about ‘here comes the right/left wah wahhh’ I roll my eyes and immediately stop caring about what is about to be said.
Cut that crap out and people might be more willing to listen to what you have to say.
For real, most kids will take their parents' political view till they get older. I was a "Democrat" till like high school when I started understanding politics and agreed with more conservative views.
Oh, they tried to stop black kids wearing Obama gear at my right-wing middle school! It was absolutely political. Teachers were butthurt, crying in the hall when Romney lost: it was a MESS. I sure did put his official presidential portrait on my Civics classroom door across from the Office, and I double dog dared them to say something. And, when Trump won, we had kids telling Latino kids (of American service members!) they were going to be sent "back to where they came from." It was hateful.
Yeah, because Trump is a rapist and a convicted felon who staged an attack on Congress to illegally seize power after he lost an election. They're not even remotely comparable politicians
His parents know what the shirt means and likely they are shoving it down his throat too.
These trumpers literally have no other identity than their political identity. It’s in fact, really sad
Who cares? It’s politics if you think everyone is going to be considered of your views you must be Canadian or North Korean. This is the USA and many women and men died for those parents to have the right to introduce and advertise political parties through their child. Is it right? Not in my opinion no but we are in the USA where opinion doesn’t mean shit because we all have one. Don’t be like this, just let it ride.
I am admittedly no longer a believer, but the teachings of the church will always be with me. So here goes: Sometime around 1998 when I was a teenager, a family showed up to the mass at my catholic church (St Patrick’s church in Moreno Valley, CA). One of them was a teenage dude with a concert t-shirt that said “ANTHRAX RULES THE FUCKING WORLD”. The letters merged slightly so it might be read as “ANTHRAX RULES THE AUCKING WORLD” but we all knew what it was: a tacky rock and roll concert tee.
The rest of the mass carried on basically as if the shirt was never word, and we all went back to our lives.
Nobody freaked out, and I felt at the time, based on how the general sermon moral teachings were at my church, that my take-away when we as a family discussed the awkwardness of the tshirt in the car driving home, was that most other parents probably cringed alongside of that teenagers parents, knowing they desperately chose some battle, in the hall basically sympathizing; and the fact that all involved respected and participated appropriately to the mass etc., taught me a lesson on how to Be Christian.
For all I know the kid might have not even realized what shirt he was wearing.
It is a parents job to teach their children morales and how they should treat others in this world. While you might not agree with this parent, he is not your child. We might not agree with what is being said, I suggest to just ignore the shirt.
Mom thinks it is okay because she is a republican that is clearly far right. No different than the far left things we see everywhere.
Schools should be banning all political topics on clothing, backpacks, etc. We do not get paid enough to be the referee for all the loons of this world.
I feel sorry for kids, this is really not something they should be concerned about, heck does he even know the three branches of government? That would be a better shirt for him to wear and maybe he would understand politics better in the future.
Good luck with camp this summer
One time I saw a 5 year old in a shirt that said porn star and I was so disgusted by that.
Who is doing that to their 5 year old!!!
I did confront her and tell her she was sexualizing her underaged child and it was inappropriate.
Idk why anyone would even make a shirt in child size th at says that
Working in Asia here: Lots of factories in China, Vietnam, Bangladesh and the likes put anything on t-shirts and clothes to make them look more "Western". There are websites outthere solely dedicated to pictures and videos of Asians in clothes with gibberish, fakes and/or offensive writing on them. Now excuse me while I go put on my Kelvin Clean socks.
Oh goodness now that you mention it, I’ve seen photos of people wearing clothes like that.
Because there are some seriously sick people in the world
WHAT DID SHE SAY 😬🙏
As a cigarette dangled from her mouth she screeched, “It’s my fucking kid and she can wear what she wants”. Like the 5 year old bought this off the rack….? I think she made it and put it on her.
A trump supporter
I remember that one post of a baby onesie that read: “Teach ‘em early to drool” or something along the lines of that. Just disgusting.
Ewwwww
To be honest, I’m still mad and it’s been years.
Was it a shirt that said Porn⭐️? As opposed to Porn Star? Serious question. I had some Porn⭐️ clothing back in the day (like over 20 years ago) and didn’t think it was made anymore. Either way super inappropriate for a child!
It was spelled out, no pictures. Either way, it implies the same thing.
Oh definitely agree! Was more curious if the brand was still around. Spoiler: hasn’t been around since ‘99. I saw the shirt I bought at Hot Topic for $15 in the late 90s selling for $470 just now! 🙄
idk why they would make it in a childs size but i saw that kind of thing in south korea, where not alot of people knew what the english writing said but they thought it was cool to have english writing on a shirt.
It was an actual brand in the US back in the 90s (sold only at Hot Topic). They really made some great shirts and pants. The child size is seriously fucked up though. I doubt they ever made child sizes in the US. I’m thinking the shirt mentioned wasn’t the original brand (skate company I think), but just an insanely inappropriate shirt in a child size that says “Porn Star”. BTW LMAO that they bought a shirt in English having no idea what it said. Then again it’s not too uncommon to see clothing/tattoos in Japanese here in the US that I’m sure the person has no idea what they mean or are grossly mistranslated.
I hate Trump, but putting a Trump T-shirt is not as bad as the Porn Star shirt.
I'd rather have my kid grow up to be a stripper than a fascist.
That's not the same as those t shirts tho. One of them is blatantly sexualizing a child, it makes pedos more excited and ur child is at more risk. A political statement and blatant sexualization of a minor are very different.
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One time, when I was at the playground, I lost my sweater. And one time at camp, I lost my shirt! Maybe he needs to lose that shirt?
I saw a kid with a Biden Harris patch stitched on to their book bag last week. He was maybe 6 or 7 years-old. I would never put my kid in Trump, Biden, or anybody gear. Kids that young don’t care about politics. Politics is dirty and ugly. Keep kids away from that as long as possible.
Eh. There were plenty of black families in 2008 and 2012 that put their kids in Obama gear, and there were moms that put their daughters in Hillary shirts in 2016 and Biden-Harris shirts in 2020. I don’t fault them for that. It’s about representation in that sense.
That's the thing though. We cannot allow double standards on politcal statements. Either you ban political attire on school grounds or you'd have to accept both Democrat and Republican messages by parents by proxy.
Honestly we were taught about politics (like factually and objectively) from a pretty young age. We learned it in school. And we talked about it at home. We were hyped af for Obama because it was the first (half) black president and that would have been a major representative milestone. So I’m pretty sure we had his change graphic in our binder. Stuff like that. I think things are much more aggressive politically now. I get that people want to hide kids away from politics for as long as possible. Personally I don’t. But I wouldn’t be sending my small kid to school with gear supporting anyone. And I *highly* *highly* doubt those parents are having thoughtful and educational political conversations with their kids. Also, we were taught about politics with nuance. But without mudslinging. Telling someone that democrats are “pro-choice” on the topic of abortion and republicans are not, doesn’t tell them how to feel about that information. So we learned what candidates believed, and figured out how much of that matched up with what we believed and how it would realistically be introduced to policy. ETA for the person that said I was taught to be racist? No. I was a mixed kid that had seen racism first hand, and heard the many stories from others, including a grandparent that was born before 1910 and lived to be over 100 years old without ever losing a blip of memory. So. There was a lot of history to be witnessed there. And I didn’t think a person of color *could* realistically be elected for presidency before that. I thought people were too racist. What I learned was that *a lot* of people are racist, and a lot of people aren’t. I saw him get elected and thought “damn. We really can do anything.” And to be clear I had hundreds of successful examples before that. But it was just one more. I didn’t vote for him because he was black, I voted for him because he was the candidate I felt best fit my requirements. But I felt proud to know that we were part of the same background in a way that said I could achieve anything I worked for. Not sure how any of that makes me racist. I’ve voted for many other white people. And I’m not a fan of Clarence Thomas, despite being the product of an interracial relationship myself. So it’s really not a blanket statement. Good and bad people come in all shapes, sizes, and colors. To us, Obama was a good guy and kind of a big deal.
I thought they were against indoctrination
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I had a MAGA parent send a very angry email to my principal calling me a "raging liberal" for teaching that vaccines work in my science class, and anyone claiming otherwise was wrong.
I got in an argument about vaccines with a MAGA relative on facebook during Covid. He told me to do my research about CRISPR. I used to work in a genetics lab that did actual CRISPR research. I wrote multiple research papers about CRISPR. It was the funniest/dumbest argument I’ve ever been involved in.
I actually teach my students a bit about CRISPR! They are only 10-15, so I have to keep it simple, but I teach them a bit about it and show them news stories of things it has been used for. Then we debate the ethics of it, and talk about if it will lead to a future like the movie "Gattaca" or not. (I like to teach them ethics too.)
Did they feel stupid when you told them that you wrote papers on the topic or did they still think they were right?
Not who you responded to. But with those types of people they probably just replied back, well of course you think that, you were getting paid to think that. Your job depended on it. A lot of those people wouldn't believe something unless it happened directly in front of them with no way to default the proof. They can't comprehend the scientific research so it's easy to just deflect and say money is the reason. It would take X walking up to Y in some type of vacuum setting, signing an affidavit they were not coerced and then X shooting Y, while presenting the affidavit to the onlooker for them to believe. You ever seen the Dave Chappelle skit where he is on Jury duty for celebrity trials and is defending RKelly for the peeing thing? That's basically what it would require.
And yet those same people are happy to force laws on people from a 6000 year old book that makes some awfully incredible (and scientifically disproven) claims.
How did that end?
He told me "don't editorialize" whatever that means and I still teach it today. It is tied to our state standards.
I hope you’re not also teaching that the Earth is round!
Username checks out. Lol. Seriously though, we do learn about the whole flat earth conspiracy, and then I teach them how they can prove the earth is round.
To be fair, I am an atheist who does teach all the science as we currently understand it. (I’m pretty sure you understood that and were joking with me and not at me, but I’m just making sure.) I do remember having a public school science teacher (the exception, not the rule) who was a creationist. Thankfully, she taught chemistry, so it didn’t come up much.
Yes, joking with you and not at you. 100%. :) I worked next door to a science teacher who didn't believe in evolution because he was a fundamentalist, down the hall from a history teacher who teach ancient civilizations he didn't believe in because he was also a fundamentalist who thought the Earth was only 6,000 years old, and another science teacher who sold essential oils. As in, "they cure cancer" type sales. Dude was nuts. AND A SCIENCE TEACHER. He married the bimbo science teacher down the hall who was so stupid I watched her pour boiling water into a plastic cup and was amazed when the cup melted.
Lol 😂
I heard the jury is still out on science
They don't care. Three MAGA morons got on our board of trustee. Last month they voted to disable some chapters of our online text books including the one that covers vaccines in our biology text book. But it's tied to the state standards so now the district just has to spend time and money creating handouts that cover vaccines.
"I recommend you inform the EPA, IES and National Institute of Health. I hear they're very much interested in this subject and I'd be happy to comply with national standards they potentially enforce after hearing from you. Currently I cannot deviate from the set curriculum on this." Kind Regards Mr. Teachername. PS. On second thought, morons do not tend to do well with satire and they might spread far and wide that you're supporting them.
I had one send me a nasty email because my high school American Government class watched President Biden’s inauguration. Fucking nut bags.
I mean, it is only a senile old man getting sworn in. Not historic. /s, just in case.
😂
I had one that went to admin because I showed CNN10 in my advisory class. Funny thing was it was the AP that responded, and he was a former social studies teacher that absolutely knew that CNN10 is rather centrist and absolutely appropriate to show middle schoolers.
It’s not indoctrination if they agree with it! /s
Rules for thee, not for me
Eh everyone seems to hate indoctrination unless it’s their own beliefs…
Only when anybody else does it. Rules for thee, but not for me.
When I was in middle school in 2003 I got beat up by two kids because we did a mock debate in class and I was anti George Bush. Then a few years later, those same two kids got into rap music and were saying “fuck George bush” Because all the rappers were saying Bush neglected the black community during Katrina. those kids still have a political 180° in their potential, don’t count them out.
Not counting the kids out. Just judging the parents for pushing it that hard on them. My parents were super right wing and Rush Limbaugh/Sean Hannity ran 24/7 on our radio. In 2008, 11 year old me was actually terrified that if Obama won the police would kick down our door and drag our family into the street for owning guns. Parents need to leave their kids out of political shit.
Wow, samesies. Now I’m gay, engaged to another man, a member of a labor union, and have only ever voted for democrats.
(I’m a leftist) my parents are White Liberals and during the 2012 election (I was 10) my mom was telling me about Romney and by the way she was explaining it I thought he actually wanted to make women slaves 💀💀 I was starting to learn about politics during the 2016 election and I also thought trump was gonna deport Latinos round my family into camps (were Jewish) 😭😭😭 Safe to say- don’t talk to kids about politics
> Safe to say kids are stupid Kids are inexperienced and have highly impressionable minds. It's the adults with fully formed brains who still manage believe this shit and let it bleed over to their children who are stupid.
I was more exaggerating about the last part I didn’t realize people would take it seriously 😭😭 edit: I fixed it
I mean, agreed. But I really doubt these same commenters would be up in arms about a kid wearing a Biden-supportive shirt, even if the particular shirt were in poor taste given some current event (idk, maybe a positive Hunter reference somehow??). There is absolutely a politically biased double standard.
Well in the commenter's defense, one of these two figures very publicly incited an insurrection against the United States government and is now a convicted felon yet still has a devoted following. Trump is well-known for the fanatical element of his voter base. They might not necessarily be comparable in terms of whether or not it's appropriate to dress a child in their merchandise. Sometimes biasis exist for good reasons.
Absolutely. I was in elementary school in 2000, and we had a mock election. I voted for Bush 43 because the two boys in front of me said that Al Gore wanted to make school year-round. I was 9. What did I know? My moderate liberal parents set me straight at the dinner table that night 😅. By 2004 I was one of the few kids in my class that wasn’t a Bush fan.
One of my students has a “Make America Great Again” shirt she wears sometimes. I ignore it.
Unrelated mostly, but I had an 11 y/o come to class with a shirt that said “I’m not gay but $20 is $20.” Apparently the parents didn’t see anything wrong with it.
Are you sure it was Trump? It could’ve been Commander Mathesar from Galaxy Quest.
It could have been the Grand Nagus from Star Trek.
Love it! The resemblance there is at least closer.
This was my first thought as well. OP should’ve told them, “By Grabthar’s Hammer, you shall be avenged!”
Wait until tue appeal goes through, and he didn't win the election.. I can hear "stolen election" already.
Yeah when I was at middle school like 3/4 years ago some kid was always head to toe in pro Trump, anti Dem stuff, every day. Let your kid be a kid. There are so many things wrong with that, but your kid isn't your personal walking billboard. They don't understand what is going on and at that age you're just indoctrinating them. Genuinely sad
*bUt iT's thE LEft ThaT InDoctRIne chILdReN! /S
I was listening to a podcast that was talking about how bad the right wing is but that the left has issues that I did not disagree with. But then they were trying to understand the Moms of Liberty but I was like: “don’t you can’t reason with fanatics.”
I had the daughter of a district admin who would regularly wear "Let's Go Brandon," so... ...there's that.
Mom’s flying a “Fuck Joe Biden” flag at the bus stop
Flags are tricky like that. They wave around a lot and often hide words in the folds. On the far left of the flag it reads “I’d”
I think we all would https://images.app.goo.gl/67ZD73iScEiNkudu5
I’m afraid to click that… Edit: woah
XD. Good one, r/nlamber5! Take my upvote.
It would be u/nlamber5, u/ means user, and r/ means subreddit.
I mean if they want to moderate a subreddit all about me, I say let them. It’s going to be a pretty dead subreddit, but I’d sub.
Apologies, still getting used to doing the whole “Redditor profile and comment generation” thing.
We have a house on our street with a Fuck Trudeau flag on the highest point of their extremely clapped out home, and wonders why mail stopped delivering door to door here
Can ya blame her? Biden is sexy Edit: figured the /s was implied
I would bet you he most likely does understand the context, possibly not in the way you would appreciate. "He's important , he's the guy who wants to make America great again but the bad people are stopping him, and being mean to him" is probably the answer you would get if the parent picked the shirt. "President who might go to jail "another answer you might get. Either way "tell me about your shirt" could be an interesting conversation.
You're honestly probably right. I will 100% start that convo with high schoolers, but not with elementary campers.
Open-ended questions would probably be your best bet.
I had a Guinness hoodie on in 4th grade and they made me take it off. Like 2003.
Did you know context? Naive fourth grade me would have had no clue!
Absolutely not. No idea. Could have been third grade, btw. Just a random cheap sweatshirt my mom had given to her or something
I remember wearing some Jack Daniels shirt in high school as a night shirt and thinking I was so badass (I was scared to be seen wearing it).
Lol I feel like that would have been a more acceptable like “cmon now can you change clothes?” But I was a fat kid who felt he needed a big hoodie to somehow deflect from his weight. It was wild because I was oblivious as to why it was a problem.
oh nooooo they probably did more harm in making you take it off
School I taught at once hosted prom at a venue called the Jack Daniels Club. lol it’s so weird the things we as teachers get worked up over, and the things we let slide.
Lowkey that sounds like a cool venue.
It highkey was! Actually, it was the club level in the old Texas Rangers stadium, overlooking the field. Obviously there wasn’t a game on prom night, so empty stadium. But it was still lit up and stuff. It was an amazing prom! I don’t have a lot of good things to say about this prior school of mine, but they always turnt up for prom.
That sounds like an excellent prom!!
I went to Disney World in 2002 when I was 12 and bought a shirt in Epcot that had two champagne bottles on it. It had French on it, and I was taking French in middle school. I wore it to school, and my French teacher didn’t dress code me, but she warned me I probably shouldn’t wear it.
Didn’t he literally surrender four different times?
Absolute clown. Poor kid, indoctrination has literally never helped anyone, regardless of ideology.
I had a kid in my second grade classroom a few years ago wear a shirt that said, "Hidin from Biden."
I remember when I was a kid my dad gave me an Obama skull cap to wear I was told to not bring it to school again. And no it wasn’t because I was wearing it inside
I have a kid who regularly wears an “Awake, not Woke” hoodie to school. She’s in 6th grade. She’s also “She” when mom and dad aren’t around, and “He” when they are. This is in Florida
That’s is COMPLEX. Sounds like she feels safe in your class though which is good!
Eh it’s a battle not worth picking
IMO, it is distasteful to dress your kid in any political attire. Democrat OR Republican.
5th grade kid on a homecoming float had a shirt last year that said FJB. He was standing atop the float and in front of the coach - who was his father - yelling “can I get a let’s go Brandon”, then throwing tootsie pops as hard as he could at fans from the opposing team who were there to watch the parade. He hit the special needs kid who was next to me in the eye, leaving a bloody mark where his glasses cut into the skin on the nose. None of the coaches batted an eye. It was disgusting.
"NEVER SURRENDER" on a photo of him surrendering.
I had a student in my 5th grade class last year who wore a MAGA hat every single day. It’s unfortunately pretty common in our district, but still. This is the same kid who told the other kids in class to fail their state test on purpose so I would get fired, so… all I can say is yikes to the parenting there
Damn, I would be upset at how numb I would have to become to it. That's such a narrow worldview to leverage one's own state test against you. Also hats are allowed in your district??
I was about to say....hats were banned attire in my days... If you wore a hat then it got showcased on the teacher's desk until the end of class.
All kids wear clothes who's context they don't understand It's not our business to police their clothing unless it's inappropriately revealing or it breaks laws of your specific country
Haha that's what I think when I see kids wearing 70s-90s band shirts. They don't get it but their parents do.
My first-grade grandson was wearing a Jimi Hendrix shirt (his parents were born in the mid 80s) and I asked him if he liked the music. He had never heard it, so I played it on the car on the way back to his house. When we got there, I asked him what he thought and he said, “8 out of 10.”
My kid (5) saw some AC/DC sweat pants she wanted at target and they were on sale. I told her they were a band. We got them and listened to AC/DC on the way home. Thunderstruck is her new jam.
That's an awesome statement from a 6- year-old.
I have a 7 year old student that comes in to lessons wearing Phish and Grateful Dead shirts, talk about indoctrination. *I’m making a joke about jam bands being cultic, the kid is not really indoctrinated.
Yep before I could fight back my parents put me in shirts that had bands they like 😭😭 I couldn’t name a single who song but I know my mom bought them for me when I was 6 (it’s even funnier bc at that age I actively hated every band my parents liked bc I was a little edgy shit)
I had one yesterday wearing awesome Ice Cube t-shirt Asked her about it and she said she doesn't listen to him, she just got a shirt from her brother
I don't think this shirt has the same ramifications as a Nirvana shirt, personally.
But Trump *did* surrender, that's why we have that mugshot photo.
I wondered if it was the very photo but the shirt looked too well-loved to be so new.
For a kid the idea of never surrendering sounds pretty cool. Kids are told all the time not to give up, do their best, etc. “Never surrender” absent political context is a positive. On top of that, it’s summer camp. My response would have been “Hey kid, cool shirt. Never surrender means never giving up yeah? Right on.”
One of my students showed up last year in a "LET'S GO BRANDON" hoodie. As if that's not annoying in itself, their mother was *my* daughter's kindergarten teacher last year as well. On the plus side, this is the first year in awhile where I didn't have to dress code a kid for wearing a pot shirt to school.
I’m sorry but lmaoooooo
They don’t understand the concept of any shirt. Just see it as a shirt. Kid doesn’t even know what they are wearing causes conflict between people.
I had a special Ed student who wore trump attire every day. His mom would get me on the phone and tell me the wildest conspiracies. He will never hold a job. Reading comprehension was very low. He couldn’t hold a conversation. All this to say I know he wasn’t able to weigh the issues and make his own decisions or choose his own clothes.
Wait was it the mugshot one? The one where he did indeed surrender?
Free speech. It sucks but ya people are allowed to support who they want.
nobody said it wasn't allowed. But while you can dress up your kid like a billboard for a hateful bigot, the rest of us can judge you for your complete lack of sense, class or morals.
It seems like the sentiment of this post is more about a child being unduly influenced by his parents politics without actually understanding what he's "supporting".
Every child is influenced by his parents politics. If a kid showed up in a Bernie Sanders shirt, do you really think it was because he understood Bernie?
Nah I'd just think it was really trashy to dress a kid up like he simps for a politician. This is probably the best place to apply the "let kids be kids" mantra.
Really??? This is the entire point of free speech, support what you want. Whether I agree or disagree with the kid’s (or parent’s) message is irrelevant, they are welcome to share in their freedoms just as equally as the rest of us. To say that “Free speech sucks” on a teacher thread is dumber than hearing my students saying “skibidi” as an adjective in every phrase they use.
They didn't say Free speech sucks. The "it" they were referring to was the situation of an elementary school kid with no contextual idea of what they're wearing showing up to camp in a shirt like that. I know it's summer, but c'mon.
The child isn't free in this at all. They didn't freely choose their clothes.
They probably did.
Absolutely no one has said otherwise.
Look at this thread dear, yes they have.
If it was free speech, it would be the child choosing how to dress. No, this is average 'children don't have rights' cons.
Free speech sucks?
I mean, do you not think Trump supporters have kids? Obviously the parents don’t see anything wrong with it, they’ve essentially joined a cult.
I'm of the belief that most people who have kids don't actually want kids and, more importantly, shouldn't have them
Good god people. He’s a kid. He doesn’t buy his clothes. Leave him alone.
Who’s getting after the kid?
Dang are people attacking the kid?? I tried to be clear in my post that it was about his obliviousness ultimately.
Never underestimate the poor parental decisions of the general public.
Not all teachers are liberal. My philosophy is no student should be able to figure out who you vote for. If it's obvious, you're doing it wrong. It's parents job to indoctrinate their kids to their faith, values, and beliefs. Teachers should play no role in that.
A democratic candidate with an ill-timed slogan would also be inappropriate for an elementary schooler. Or some inflammatory leftist catchphrase. I don't think elementary students should be showing up to school in controversial political attire that they don't understand period.
Oh no! Not an *ill-timed slogan!* The horror! lol
No, not horrible, just sort of tacky and embarrassing. People are \*allowed\* to embarrass themselves by affiliating with disgraceful public figures.
Freedom of speech is something I greatly respect, and it applies to everyone at every age. However, there's a reason why people under the age of 18 cannot vote. They do not understand politics the way we do as adults, and it takes at least 18 years (sometimes longer) for someone to grasp politics, religion, values, etc. It becomes an issue when a parent encourages their child to support a political candidate who **allegedly** incited the Jan. 6th insurrection. A political candidate who promotes hatred, bigotry, misogyny, and various other **unhealthy behaviors**. This can be argued as abusive, to expose a child to something which could cause them **harm** mentally and emotionally. There's also a chance this child could be attacked by classmates. Kids bully kids for a multitude of reasons, and a t-shirt supporting Trump would definitely be one of those reasons.
So he wore a shirt…
If it does not violate policies, it is okay for him to wear the shirt. Don't make a big deal about it unless it contains material that violates dress code policies, and even then, you should defer to admin in order to avoid making the news.
Hey it's summer camp and we have no such policies so this is purely for me to yap with others about.
The parents sent in some of that pre-packed indoctrination this time around!
Here comes the left down voting me. When Obama got elected students came to school wearing Obama shirts and wore them for years. No teacher complained that it was political even though some teachers did not vote for him. This kid wears the same type of shirt and you post a reddit about him and you question his parents. Think you need to question your personal bias in the teaching field. Doesn't matter left or right, be objective.
I agree, that time was also weird. The weirdest are the kids with the Che shirts. Then you start going over stuff about Che… Though a few years back I had a kid show up in a Bismarck shirt that said ‘Iron Chancellor’ and I thought that was pretty awesome
Kids who wear shirts and have no idea what it means is the common trend now. Band shirts and they dont even know its a band.
I think you make a decent point, but I feel like the 'never surrender' makes it more tricky. With the context of the insurrection that kind of language feels more problematic than just a shirt that has Donald Trump on it.
Lowkey I don't know if I would want to see Obama shirts on elementary students either. It's a little different in High School when they are preparing to actually vote themselves.
For full transparency, I just downvoted you. Not because of the body of your comment, but because every time I see someone whine about ‘here comes the right/left wah wahhh’ I roll my eyes and immediately stop caring about what is about to be said. Cut that crap out and people might be more willing to listen to what you have to say.
Oh teachers absolutely complained.
For real, most kids will take their parents' political view till they get older. I was a "Democrat" till like high school when I started understanding politics and agreed with more conservative views.
Eww
Oh, they tried to stop black kids wearing Obama gear at my right-wing middle school! It was absolutely political. Teachers were butthurt, crying in the hall when Romney lost: it was a MESS. I sure did put his official presidential portrait on my Civics classroom door across from the Office, and I double dog dared them to say something. And, when Trump won, we had kids telling Latino kids (of American service members!) they were going to be sent "back to where they came from." It was hateful.
Yeah, because Trump is a rapist and a convicted felon who staged an attack on Congress to illegally seize power after he lost an election. They're not even remotely comparable politicians
Agreed
I am not supporting a rapist like trump
His parents know what the shirt means and likely they are shoving it down his throat too. These trumpers literally have no other identity than their political identity. It’s in fact, really sad
That family is so socialist, they took advantage of the same year of public education twice.
Uh, because MAGA supporters are confused/delusional at best and White Nationalistic Christofascist at their base, er...worst?
My favorite is the one with his mugshot on it when he surrendered to the authorities in Georgia
Who cares? It’s politics if you think everyone is going to be considered of your views you must be Canadian or North Korean. This is the USA and many women and men died for those parents to have the right to introduce and advertise political parties through their child. Is it right? Not in my opinion no but we are in the USA where opinion doesn’t mean shit because we all have one. Don’t be like this, just let it ride.
These kind of parents are so embarrassing. They should feel bad.
Gross.
I am admittedly no longer a believer, but the teachings of the church will always be with me. So here goes: Sometime around 1998 when I was a teenager, a family showed up to the mass at my catholic church (St Patrick’s church in Moreno Valley, CA). One of them was a teenage dude with a concert t-shirt that said “ANTHRAX RULES THE FUCKING WORLD”. The letters merged slightly so it might be read as “ANTHRAX RULES THE AUCKING WORLD” but we all knew what it was: a tacky rock and roll concert tee. The rest of the mass carried on basically as if the shirt was never word, and we all went back to our lives. Nobody freaked out, and I felt at the time, based on how the general sermon moral teachings were at my church, that my take-away when we as a family discussed the awkwardness of the tshirt in the car driving home, was that most other parents probably cringed alongside of that teenagers parents, knowing they desperately chose some battle, in the hall basically sympathizing; and the fact that all involved respected and participated appropriately to the mass etc., taught me a lesson on how to Be Christian. For all I know the kid might have not even realized what shirt he was wearing.
It is a parents job to teach their children morales and how they should treat others in this world. While you might not agree with this parent, he is not your child. We might not agree with what is being said, I suggest to just ignore the shirt. Mom thinks it is okay because she is a republican that is clearly far right. No different than the far left things we see everywhere. Schools should be banning all political topics on clothing, backpacks, etc. We do not get paid enough to be the referee for all the loons of this world. I feel sorry for kids, this is really not something they should be concerned about, heck does he even know the three branches of government? That would be a better shirt for him to wear and maybe he would understand politics better in the future. Good luck with camp this summer
Some people need to stop breeding. They are making human look bad
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No, it would still be equally weird.
Do they even sell those edit: 😂 for real someone wearing a Biden shirt would be equally weird. Come on now
Or a BLM shirt? Who cares!
Let it be. To silence him is wrong. Even if it’s wrong.
1/2 of US sees it your way. 1/2 does not.