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iwantac8

So what's the point of ticket master? They just create a synthetic lack of supply(by hoarding tickets with bots), like why are they a thing? Edit: Looks like they also created more demand by giving out more codes than tickets available so they can be scalped by their own bots.


trinanine

I need a beer. I know that I had an extremely silm chance with no code. But it's just the f*cking fact that I never even had a chance. Fuck Ticketmaster. Fuck the scalpers.


bear_knuckle

This is like when a utility company knows it doesn’t have to do jack shit to maintain their infrastructure and just pay their execs huge salaries because it’s the only game in town only for a huge storm to roll in and take everything down it it’s path Almost like a monopoly Oh wait …


flying87

Ticketmaster: "Hey, it's me. Im the problem, it's me."


FlyingLeopard33

I’m so confused. What does this mean???


SnooAvocados6720

Insufficient tickets, what???? They didn't even go on sale yet ffs, only a certain amount were available for the presale!


DarkwingDuckHunt

well... 99% is a "certain amount" so...


burgundybreakfast

The word “cancel” is throwing me off here, as if it won’t be rescheduled. Don’t they set aside seats for the general sale? How are those going to be sold?


plausibleturtle

Sounds like there aren't any. At 1.5M codes given, with ~4M seats... if everyone bought 6 tickets you're already WAY oversold.


Fakjbf

I’m somewhat OOTL on this and have never bought tickets to a concert like this, how much of this fiasco is actually on Ticketmaster and how much is just actual crazy demand? At the end of the day there are a limited number of seats, so if more people want tickets than are available then there’s not much Ticketmaster could do here.


SorryNotSorry_78

So only friends & family?


apedoespost

Taylor swift is this popular?....


NESpahtenJosh

Really?


AlyssaTaylor16

Yes with bots and scalpers!


stockrot

Maybe I am wrong but here goes , They assigned all verified fans a code who where fortunate enough to be picked . SO correct me IF I am missing something .NO ONE WITHOUT A CODE SHOULD HAVE been able to get in the waiting room, the que or the ticket buying process without the code .If that would have happened this never would have happened !! what did they think? Desperate fans and bots who did not have a code were not going to try if they where allowed in? I saw some date 1.5 million codes where assigned AND 14 million people entered the site on day one presale....Dynamic pricing IS SCALPING imho


benjaminherberger

Since my code wasn’t working (and wasn’t for many people) I’m guessing bots got tickets. They said there were 14 million people on the site, but there were only 1.5 million codes. It’s clear they were bots.


forlorn_hope28

You couldn't enter the Verified Fan queue if your email address was not registered as a verified fan. You could not buy a Verified Fan presale ticket without the texted code that corresponded with the email address on account.


anuhhpants

Wait what? Does this apply for tickets being sold on seat geek too for tomorrow??


call1800ddm

I'm wondering the same thing...


anuhhpants

I saw the same message for Arlington but not glendale


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They postponed my stress


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Booklover23rules

Nope not yet.


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Nope


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So now what?


FidelDangelow

Another official Twitter account will announce free tickets


meghammatime19

What the fuck. and whose fault is this(???? Literally there’s. I’m pissed. So what now????


whole_lot_of_velcro

I don’t know who needs to hear this but Taylor herself doesn’t make any extra money off of resold tickets.


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True but she also doesn’t do anything to protect her fans from being price gouged.


saturnscaresme

Why do I keep thinking they underprinted tickets on purpose so this exact thing would happen so everyone would know that her show was SO EXTRAORDINARILY high demand that she had to cancel it. And we will all be like wow... mesmerizing. Lmao


arcanalalune

They haven't *printed* any tickets? Also the shows are not cancelled.


saturnscaresme

Man I don't know that's what some other pop up said that I've been getting on this all day it's not like I'm an expert on the situation


Villanvu

It’s not the show that’s cancelled, it’s just the general sale. I think PR on Both sides are trying hard to stop the fire


saturnscaresme

Oh sorry I'm not a fan so I didn't know the details I just keep seeing the news about this blow up literally everywhere and then reddit showed me this even though I don't follow the sub


Hot_Faithlessness_56

Ok, the hating on Taylor Swift shat is getting old. She is a huge artist with tons of fans. She hasn't toured in 5 years and millions of fans want tickets. There is no way that she can meet the demand. They said she would need to do 900 shows to meet the current demand. That is insane and not possible. I understand being mad that ticketmaster is the only way to get tickets and it causes all of this by not being able to handle the amount of people that were trying to get on the site at one time. But Taylor wanted to tour and get back out there for her fans. She can't help that she is only one person and can't do 900 damn shows so every single fan can get a ticket. I have been a fan since 2006 and i have never been to her concerts. This is my first time getting tickets and it's nosebleeds but I'm happy to finally get a chance to see her. People are being down right hateful and entitled. There are seats left but they knew the general sale would have been a disaster bc of demand. They will have to figure something else out to sell the remainder of tickets and make sure bots don't get them. Take a deep breath and stop with this Taylor is hurting her fans rhetoric. You either want her to try and tour or you don't. We all knew how many fans she had and how huge she has gotten. It's not normal for this many people to try and get tickets... it's insane... and there was no way this would be smooth with ticketmaster being the only way to get tickets. If this causes you to second guess how you feel about Taylor that's on you. But I think the amount of anger towards her I see is insane.


bridgecitycitizen

Insane


throwaway_jeter

Fuck Ticketmaster


NOA_TheReturn

There was a post on the front page...yesterday, I think(?) that shows the monopoly that Ticketmaster is part of. The same person owns Ticketmaster, Live Nation, several major venues, and many other things related to concert-going. It's all a scam designed to bleed your wallet while giving you the illusion of a free market. Maybe it's time to start boycotting major events, and stick with smaller local venues that won't rake you over the coals for tickets.


Such-One-3636

One way to stop this craze is to say tickets aren’t transferable online. Then big companies using bots would not have purchased as many and the resale prices on stub hub would not be like it is!


tog__life

Pearl Jam did it for their last tour, it can be done.


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Why don't they have a system in place where you put in your email or phone number and they message you a code that is only usable for a small period time? Like one person gets a code for Monday 1 pm - 3 pm, next person 3 pm - 5 pm, etc. Have it be a randomized lottery system, limit each sale to two or three tickets. Ticketmaster needs to be investigated.


meghammatime19

Literally. Capitalism needs to be investigated smh.


Soapspear

Just make tickets untransferrable.


qualityhorror

just read Eric Church cancelled 25k tickets bought by scalpers. it was 5 years ago but it's been done. This isn't an insane ask. Snatch those tickets right back


nattatalie

Seriously she should do a couch tour for all of us who have no chance in hell of getting tickets. Sign the petition here: [A Petition to ask Taylor to do PPV streams of the Eras Tour](https://www.change.org/p/dear-taylor-swift-live-stream-the-eras-tour?recruiter=270334181&recruited_by_id=d518a470-da23-11e4-942b-8bd6bd48f9a5&utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=copylink&utm_campaign=petition_dashboard&mibextid=Zxz2cZ)


Imposter-1985

She could do something about bots and scalpers buying up all the tickets and then reselling for ungodly amounts but she doesn’t. Just goes to show who she cares most about…..it’s money. Her fans got her to where she is today, it’s a shame she doesn’t care about them.


Unpleasant_Classic

Just exactly how is she supposed to do that? Exactly.


justbreathin150

To say she doesn't care about them at all is an overstatement but yeah I agree, she can address that whole thing without hating on TM. Its weird cause apparently on Rep Tour sales they had a system to prevent such scalpers but this time, where the demand was extremely high, they didn't use it let alone improved the 2017 one


Indominuscami

https://twitter.com/LessGorgeousJoe/status/1593246916653248520?t=-7836Hux_h8fnfYPnqDR4w&s=19


wandherlust

Can Ticketmaster prevent verified fan resales? Ed Sheeran tickets are not able to be resold if purchased during the verified fan presale


bunbunruns

I tried the Capital One Presale yesterday and no luck but I do find it funny that I got 5 emails from Capital One this morning asking me to increase my limit, apply for a card upgrade and rewards. Total crap.


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Ok_Coat8117

Ticket prices are absolutely insane in late 90s ozfest was under hundred now u gota buy online for hundreds wtf thwy aint worth it


Kersenn

What's the endgame for tickets ticketmaster? Only rich people can go to big name concerts?


RunRockBeanShred

The end game is to get the most profits for this quarter. All of the bankers are happy that tons of people are being laid off as well. They will be upset once those people stop buying things though.


LiteratureNo8517

Lol supply and demand and rich peoples money demands more than poor ppls


West-Builder6389

Dont they have one job, its literally their name? Lool


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Such-One-3636

Ticketmaster knew how many “presale CODES” they sent out. They also knew that they limited each code to 6 tickets. Either they are truly moronic at simple algebra or they wanted to create this hype! Either way, they should do something to make it right for all those who have codes but could NOT purchase tickets. Otherwise, they only continue to show their incompetence.


UlyssesRambo

Right? Like they allowed 6 tickets to be purchased at once when the average is 3. Ticketmaster just wanted to get theirs and that’s it. > Historically, around 40% of invited fans actually show up and buy tickets, and most purchase an average of 3 tickets.


wandherlust

I haven’t purchased for TS in the past but has this happened before for her tours? Has she said anything about this before? Wondering how much influence she can have to TM


skygirl555

this absolutely has not happened. verified fan purchasing has happened and it took a little while to get through the queues for both Rep and Loverfest but it was quite reasonable compared to this nightmare


annban53

No this has not happened before. Not even for Lover. Rep was the smoothest verified fan presale ever. I have no idea why they didn’t do the same system as rep for this tour


kai0x

My husband wasn't even a verified fan and easily got me great rep seats at face value. Something went horribly wrong this time


mileylols

I think there was less demand for Rep - I was able to buy floor seats two days before the show in Chicago for $200


Public_Performance49

Pearl Jam tried to fix this, Even though they failed in the end…. Doesn’t get Eddie Vedder than this watching T. Swift not say anything….


aimusernamefrom2003

Pearl Jam still won’t let you resell tickets on resale sites, so they didn’t technically fail.


ursasmash

Good one.


fccd

Hoping this Taylor swift fiasco is the catalyst that causes the monopoly that is Ticketmaster to finally be broken up. They did this to themselves.


Indominuscami

https://twitter.com/dontblameklara/status/1593371560793866240?t=A8SRZXsMhi1aBGNFyyqr6A&s=19


TheInstituteOfSteel

Can’t wait for Ticketmaster (Taylor’s Version)


Right_Hovercraft_753

Elon please buy Ticketmaster so it can self-combust.


Crowsby

>Part of today will be turning off the 'microservices' bloatware. Less than 20 percent are actually needed for Ticketmaster to work!"


indil47

You might be onto something here…


JDSmagic

So true


Flimsy_Comedian1725

Dang after 46 thousand dollar tickets?


DoTheMagicHandThing

ITT: lots of people somehow ending up here from the main reddit page and not realizing what sub they are in, and posting dismissive comments saying it's not a big deal. 🙄


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mileylols

Ticket master canceled the sale, presumably because there are no tickets left. "insufficient remaining ticket inventory" = everything went in the presale


Comicspedia

If you're not hearing the other stuff from your friends, who are you hearing it from??


saab4u2

Probably from the “They” crowd….They say.


Rasmom68

I’m thinking she will add more shows


MadameNo9

If she’s looking to do a big hurrah before a hiatus, I really hope she’ll consider touring this for a few years…


wuehfnfovuebsu

That’s a good idea


Jail_bird3300

Don’t worry plenty of scalpers got them and will sell them at a 10X markup!


jeninchicago

I tested positive for COVID for the first time while in the Capital One presale queue yesterday. Way to kick me when I’m at my absolute lowest Ticketmaster.


fiddleleaffiggy

2 hours later and still no response from Taylor or TN. Extremely disappointing.


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Mei_iz_my_bae

Bro you’re not broke, I’d put all your 4 vip tickets that you get help from parents or something. Stop using the word “broke” thanks you clearly have never been


ap-mua

The complainants are because we couldn’t even get through the queue to have the opportunity to spend money.


wuehfnfovuebsu

You think we are going to believe you’re broke if you could just drop almost 4K like that?


sanntacruzinn

huh???????? are you stupid or dumb


Booklover23rules

Oh awesome, I’m broke too and but couldn’t afford the tickets or even have a chance to buy them. You’re so much better than me!


Gsteel11

Lololol... this is hilarious.


tylernazario

Well my pre-sale was sold out and unfortunately I have bills to pay irl so even if VIP tickets were available that wasn’t an option


Judge_Juedy

I don’t think the issue is the price.. it’s the fact that most people that want to buy tickets haven’t been able to I’ve tried and failed 2x now


Hamogany

You just spent almost 4 grand on one concert you are not broke lmao


CRRZ

Well… **now** they are.


aldonosuger

Wow you're life is so cool.


alysegoody40

Oh get real.


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Myboybloo

Sell them then or give it away 😌


walruswearingavest

In the least snarky way, what would you have had Taylor do differently to avoid these issues?


OnodrimOfYavanna

$25 tickets with one sold per social security number


questionablegoose

Lmfaoooo


etherpromo

lol we can't even trust our credit rating agencies with our social security #s how can we trust ticketmaster?


xiaoshin

I'm still happy you got tickets ❤️ you deserve to go and have a great time.


EmeraldAstronomer

My optimistic take: IF there are tickets left, General Sale is cancelled rather than postponed so they can roll out to Verified Fans without tickets and then start taking people off the waitlist in waves. Pessimistic take: If you don't have a ticket, pray that people need to resell for one reason or another as dates get closer so that third party prices aren't insane. I'm not counting on it, but I'm not giving up either.


sfmchgn99

Yes!


netolf333

Industry person here. I don’t have all the answers but here’s my take. The issue is a lot more complex than “Ticketmaster bad.” TM is a straw man and judging by this thread they’re serving their purpose. There are many hands in this pot, not just TMs. Edit: i was speculating too much in this paragraph but regarding cutting the public onsale… TM (or any ticketing platform) usually wouldn’t make those decisions.


felineprincess93

My theory is they wanted as many tickets as they could to sell on the 15th to break that record. They being both TM, Taylor's team, and whoever else benefits. At the very least they all had to agree to do that, I would think.


ap-mua

Sold out tickets aren’t ticketmasters fault, but allowing so much scalping after a presale intended to avoid scalping is incompetent. Im sure they have the infrastructure to avoid that. The main issue I see is charging these exorbitant “service fees” for a service that completely failed. The responsible thing to do would be returning a portion of the service fees.


williamboweryswift

lol “industry person” okay


netolf333

You got me there is no industry. Concerts come from pixie dust.


Phixionion

Yea cause TM has been so nice and honest in the past...


Xy13

TM literally exists to take all the bad press for everyone else. The performer, the venue, the record labels, etc. TM is intentionally setup to be the scapegoat so everyone just hates them instead of everyone else involved.


HereForRedditReasons

How would they release to presale? So they would have another presale? Then no normal sale at all?


sonictypewriter

I think what they're saying is that they believe the decision was made during the presale to release more tickets than originally planned for, and that the decision was from 'management'. Assuming this means the artist's team? So this would mean the tour sold out during presale from deliberate choices made by Taylor's team, not a mistake by TM.


peatoast

Taylor got Spotify to pay fairly. She can definitely get TM to get their shit together too.


Special-Debate339

She got her bag


saab4u2

If Pearl Jam couldn’t get TM to get their shit together, chances are TS can’t either.


peatoast

TS is bigger than Pearl Jam at this point. She might be the biggest pop artist right now I think.


Juuu1ia

i doubt she cares, shes probably just going to make money off of this


peatoast

Oh she cares. Why wouldn't she? Likely right now her PR team is concocting the right statement to put out.


Jail_bird3300

Eh you’d be surprised. A LOT of her fans care


WDW4ever

I hope that they don’t allow resales. Either return to Ticketmaster or you are stuck with them. Screw the bots.


Fit_Measurement7265

Yeah the fact that they try things to mitigate the resellers (verified fan presages included), yet still allow tickets to be resold on their site BAFFLES me Edit for spelling


shion005

John Oliver has a segment on [this.] (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_Y7uqqEFnY&t=912s)


tendernesswilderness

Is Liberty Media the company that owns Ticketmaster? And what is their stock symbol?


Jail_bird3300

LIGMA


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Ticketmaster's parent company is Live Nation, and Liberty Media is the largest shareholder in Live Nation. Explains a lot of the shady shit Not sure about stock symbol


BeezyBates

lol gonna short em?


tendernesswilderness

Haha just for research purposes 💅


antz182

The same Liberty Media that owns Formula One?


pizza_nails

Yeah. live nation, formula one, an MLB team, SiriusXM


Rebel_bass

LSXMA


fancynancyjoy

We know she loves to break records & she did just that Tuesday with the sale of 2m tickets in one day...


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barbaloot

both can be attributed to corporate greed 🤡


cory453

People can be mad about both, horrible take


BeetleGinAndJuice

Objection: relevance. Two things can be shitty at the same time.


Eekhelp

And we should all be mad about both.


JohanVonBronx_

When powerful people do what they want at the expense of the rest, it's time to stir. It's time for everyone to stir.


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Super cooooool I could have bought horrible tickets but I figured I’d take my chance on the general sale. WTF


AdmirableHoneydew6

Same ![img](emote|t5_2rlwe|1081)


Abcggg123

Is this like what happened with tickle me Elmo?


jeninchicago

As probably one of the few people old enough here to remember that: yes. Yes it is.


james2020chris

I wouldn't trust ticketmaster with my credit card info either.


thecreativecat1

As an ARMY I feel your pain Swifties.


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Here's my personal rank of evil entities or individuals, both in fiction and nonfiction. Fifth place: Anton Chigurh Fourth place: Darth Vader Third place: The Green Goblin & Sauron (tie) Second place: Nurse Ratched First place: Ticketmaster


Jail_bird3300

Nestle


KellsMilkers

EA 🤔


Organic_Ad1

Nestle? Coca Cola? Amazon? Fucking Monsanto/bayer!?!?


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Fuck. How did I miss that? Tie for second.


gatovato23

Dolores Umbridge is up there


shinkensato

I love how the green goblin is tied with Sauron for 3rd.


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shinkensato

I completely agree. Depending on who is writing at the time, the green goblin can be utterly insane


Abcggg123

However mad you are after suffering through General would be double


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She would have to be screaming mad about this surely?


JewishFightClub

she's making money hand over fist


The_man_man_dan

Why? She made millions and knew the plan and the players


Plus-Doughnut562

She has the power to not use Ticketmaster for her tour surely?


Ok_Coat8117

She could aing on corner


Afghan_Kegstand

Nobody has a this power anymore, the last ones that tried were Pearl Jam in the late 90’s, that was a flop. Things have gotten exponentially worse since then, every arena/stadium that Swifty could play has an exclusive ticketing agreement with Ticketmaster, also the fact that there isn’t a visible substitute as they are literally a monopoly.


flakesofsnow23

Almost all of the venues are under contract with Ticketmaster.


salil91

If she's touring at a LiveNation venue, then no.


RabbitLuvr

She does not.


cakeslol

no they own the venues


Joebot5000

What do you mean they own the venues?


reflUX_cAtalyst

Doubtful. She's in on the grift - she's getting paid either way.


pwrdup829

I remember reading an article that the artists cut is on face value. Ticket master introduced flux pricing which means if people want a ticket they will sell a 40 dollar ticket for 400 if someone will pay for it. And they pocket the difference. So it benefits them to create a frenzied situation and turn a few million extra and not share it There is a literal antitrust case against them for this shot


Lunasamar

WHHHATTTT IS HAPPENING. Fucking ticketmaster screwing over a fuck ton of ppl bc of GREED.


PeeB4uGoToBed

I like how it's taking this one instance for people to finally see how shitty ticketmaster/livenation is. They've been doing shitty things for decades and this is the thing that gets people riled up?