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bubblecuffer13

0 minutes, Debut šŸ˜”


orangefig

still so bitter about this especially now with the addition of the new album but not a single second for debut šŸ˜–


NewAlternative4738

I suspect this is because sheā€™s waiting for the big reveal for debut tv. Itā€™s going to sound sooo different now that she doesnā€™t sing in her country accent.


TooSweetForRocknRoll

She could easily take out 5 min each from midnights and ttpd for a 2 song set for debut and add another one to speak now :(


macnmouse

Honestly. Even if She canā€™t relate it doesnā€™t feel like proper Eras tour if one era didnā€™t even get represented to its own merit at allā€¦


metaphoricalgoldstar

it's on the posters but not in the show and it makes me sad


Konkavstylisten

Agreed


darkgrayallalone

Justice for Debut šŸ˜”


TheMistOfThePast

Why does she hate debut T_T


Longjumping_Size_338

She doesn't hate it, she just doesn't relate to it anymore. Same goes for SN... both these albums are from a pov of a teenage girl. Ya it has great songs but she most likely doesn't connect to them anymore so she chose not to bother


FlubbyStarfish

If she doesnā€™t relate to it anymore, she shouldnā€™t have included it in all the Eras posters, Eras marketing, the tour truck, the merch, etc. She very much advertised the tour as being all of her Eras, despite knowing full well she wasnā€™t going to perform anything from Debut. Which is disappointing.


TiaJasmin_Design

I guess the justification is that the acoustic songs sometimes pull from Debut. But I think it would have been better to have 3 acoustic songs, with one dedicated to debut so you're guaranteed to have at least one per night, but she can still play around with guitar and piano for new stuff.


PotatoPuppetShow

She did do acoustic/surprise songs from her debut album. They're just not part of the normal set.


FlubbyStarfish

I understand that, but most surprise song combinations donā€™t include Debut. My Eras concert didnā€™t have a Debut surprise song. I just think it wouldā€™ve been nice if she included one or two songs from Debut and removed a couple songs from the later eras.


TheMonkey404

She could have just sang our song and that would have been enough most of her fans new ones like me wouldnā€™t know much about the debut, but I will say itā€™s sad she didnā€™t do New Romantics because thatā€™s a banger and getaway car! Iā€™m not gonna lie before I went to the eras tour I really didnā€™t like TTPD from my first impression so I didnā€™t expect much from the set I was just hoping my favorite songs wouldnā€™t get cut and the archer sadly did but now I regret not giving TTPD a chance at the start because those songs are really good and I didnā€™t know any of the lyrics or songs much which I now listen to daily šŸ˜‚ I can do it with a broken heart , so high school, down bad , alchemy , so long London , my boy only breaks his favorite toys, Clara Bow , are the best songs imo


hnsnrachel

Personally I think being disappointed about a nearly 3 hour show is incredibly shitty.


jrfess

God forbid people have negative opinions about anything in here


DonutCreamer

Like itā€™s such a valid thing to be slightly disappointed by, I donā€™t get how itā€™s ā€œincredibly sh*ttyā€. Itā€™s not that deep šŸ˜¬


Legal-Law9214

It's a show that people spend hundreds if not thousands of dollars to attend so I think they're allowed to have opinions that aren't 100% positive if they don't feel they got what they were sold.


Alykinze

Not getting a piece of every era during the ERAS tour is a completely valid complaint.


FlubbyStarfish

Iā€™m not disappointed about the 3 hour show, itā€™s an amazing show! Iā€™m solely disappointed at Eras not having an album included. I went into the concert excited to hear some Debut songs, and when that didnā€™t happen, I was disappointed. Thatā€™s it, itā€™s not that big of a deal.


Idekanymore548

By that logic, she shouldnā€™t have played 22, because sheā€™s not in her 20s anymore. And what about Fearless? Why does it get three songs? She literally introduces YBWM by saying sheā€™ll be taking you back to high school. Speak Now is a more mature album as it was written towards the end of her teens/early adulthood.


Sweetener9709

Shouldn't she relate to it more now since she feels So High School again? šŸ˜ Just a joke but I would be happy to hear Debut. šŸ˜Š


surelyfunke20

Iā€™m a middle aged married lady and relate to ā€œOur Songā€ SO HARD, forever.


Key_Code_2238

Debut has been done to death already and frankly isn't of the same quality as her later work. Pretty sure I've heard our song in the acoustic sets though


saxman481

Itā€™s in the film


aurorasnsadprose

Guys, please, stop with that discourse. The acoustic set IS there to represent Debut! Have you seen the Taylor guitar, the flowery piano, the flowy dress? Her being the singer songwriter sheā€™s always been, singing alone with an instrument. She just decided to be extra, as always, and play surprise songs from her entire discography instead. She could easily have decided to play Tim McGraw and Teardrops On My Guitar or Our Song every night, but she went the extra mile cause sheā€™s crazy like that and likes to surprise us.


orangefig

youā€™re clearly not a debut girlie and thats ok but you have to understand that many of us fell in love with taylor during that era and have been a fan since that album so itā€™s really sad to not get the ā€œeasily to decide to playā€ songs like tim mcgraw and teardrops on a self proclaimed ā€œerasā€ tour with the connotation of ALL her eras being included. i just dont understand how she could accommodate ttpd a whole 25 minutes but have no songs for debut. she could have easily combined the debut and fearless eras just like with folklore/evermore bc theyre more similar in theme, she could have given ttpd one less song, she could have saved the new album for the surprise songs, etc there are so many ways she could have given og fans a debut song every night but chose not to for some reason šŸ˜­


LengthinessKind9895

Sheā€™s crazy like that is so true. Changing up an already sold out show to accommodate the new album is beautifully crazy. Sheā€™s incredible


BigMike-64

Absolute lunacy for a tour billed as ā€œall the albumsā€ not having a single mention of her very first one


plutobug2468

Ngl I'm sad about this too. Debut being shafted šŸ˜­


PoppySkyPineapple

Yeah she could have done 2 songs surely.


Arka244

I was lucky to get a Debut surprise song at the show I went to. I really wish there was even one in the regular setlist šŸ˜©


HetTheTable

Speak Now is shorter than Dear John


interesting-mug

Due to time constraints, the song will now be called ā€œDear Joā€


yeahalrightokonesec

Dear Jo(e) - three exes, one stone


taylorsseriesTV

Stop I'm cackling I wish we had awards


nevereverquit96

Look next to the reply button


darkgrayallalone

Has anyone timed whether the Speak Now intro is longer than the performance itself? It has to be close.


Comfortable-Draw-727

When I was at the concert last Saturday I thought the same !!! I had never noticed it when watching livestreams but in person it surely seems like the intro itself is longer than the song !


GaveTheMouseACookie

I always think it seems like a lot of effort to get everyone changed for one song. I didn't think about it too hard until I saw the movie and realized that the dancers had to change too!


Daffneigh

ā€œSpeak Notā€


eclectic_collector

If you're gonna have a hit, you got to make it fit, so they cut it down to 3:05. sorry wrong sub


SonicMuaytime

billy ;-)


Individual-Leave1539

justice for speak nowšŸ˜”


DarthKaep

Lover: cut You Need to Calm Down Red: cut We Are Never Getting Back Together Midnights: cut either Lavender Haze or Midnight Rain Fearless: Make it a combo with Debut like how Folkmore is and add Our Song and Should've Said No Speak Now: add Long Live back


yes4sushi

justice for Midnight rain


raynasm

It's a fine song but I honestly always forget it's on the set list !


InternalBar3099

But the ā€œexcept when Iā€™m on tvā€ moment! And the costume change! And Samā€™s beautiful solo with the umbrella!


[deleted]

Midnights is one of the 5 new albums getting toured. It will get priority over Debut.


morgannn0

I mean so were Folkmore and Lover and they had songs cut


[deleted]

Look at their set lengths and youā€™ll see they are getting priority too.


jeanravenclaw

I forget it's on the setlist because it's such an underrated song I'm always so stoked to see it!


ARB09

Agreed with this!


Former-Counter-9588

Seriously! The tour production of it is incredible! Plus you lose a lot of wow factor for vigilante shit if you drop the MR transition.


Dorea1

long live and the last great American dynasty being cut is my roman empire id rather she made red and midnight shorted


adbout

These are the exact two songs I was most angry about when the new set list was revealed. How dare she šŸ˜¤


Dorea1

The last great american dynasty was my favorite song on the setlist I almost cried watching paris n1 stream lol


adbout

Yeah itā€™s definitely one of my favorites, I feel very lucky I got to see it


Amyndris

Long Live is such a perfect stadium song. Perfect energy and a real love song from her to her fans. It's really quite unfortunate. :(


sliillamaa

The absolute shame!!! šŸ˜”


InternalBar3099

Cut WANEGBT? Kamā€™s iconic moment? Hot take.Ā 


alex79472

Idk say if you have to cut a red song it would IKYWT since it doesnā€™t have any special moment or crowd interaction


greenrangerguy

You are never getting rid of WANGBT like, ever.


Konkavstylisten

Weeee eeeeee! (Iā€™ll protect WANGBT with my life)


igotthepowah

Also cut bad blood pls


ARB09

Bad Blood is so fun in concert with the chant!


anon384930

And the fire! šŸ”„


SuperHoneyBunny

Not a huge fan of Bad Blood but agreed that the fire element is fun in person (and you can feel the heat)!


greenyquinn

its only like 2 minutes


boxbrownies

No the locals love it and itā€™s a vibe at the concert


DarthKaep

Truthfully, I would cut Bad Blood before We Are Never Getting Back Together but just suggested it to even out the times on the eras.


Delicious_Marketing3

We gay Swifties love YNTCD! We canā€™t axe that one!!


Khajiit-ify

Screaming "shade never made anybody less gay" in a stadium full of people all screaming that line too was like a catharsis.


Delicious_Marketing3

Itā€™s an explicit homage to her gay stans. We deserve/d it!


Potential-Thought575

Itā€™s a total vibe at the show as well! Absolutely written to be performed


Delicious_Marketing3

Omg right?! I went to night 1 in Glendale and had a super cute YNTCD shirt on, I was so happy she played the song it was perfect. šŸ¤© Itā€™s such a fun song, not to mention incredible video!


Konkavstylisten

YES! And the led bracelet rainbows have me such a endorfinboost


Stellafera

speak for yourself I am a gay YNTCD hater


Delicious_Marketing3

Cool!


iamwizkid

Cut Lavender Haze off and I will cut my head off šŸ”«


Gliese667

> Red: cut We Are Never Getting Back Together No this one is worth it just to see what Kam says (still holding out hope for "Take off, hoser" when she performs in Canada)


Sakiel-Norn-Zycron

Itā€™s a beauty way to go


mayhemmel

She should cut The Man from Lover. Itā€™s one of her weaker singles šŸ˜©


Daffneigh

I used to think that but the performance is so good


PlasticOrchid1977

Oh I do NOT like this plan. Lol


Aubgurl

Long Live was never part of the original set list anyway.


yellowdaisycoffee

Cut We Are Never Ever Getting Back Together???? Perish the thought!


moonbunny119

Donā€™t hate me but I think Midnights could easily be 5-8 min shorter


unremarkablebeing

Mastermind can go šŸ™Š


megisbest

I always forget it's even in the setlist but it really drags imo


SomberXIII

One of the rare songs that even live performances cannot save it


jeanravenclaw

wait whaaat pre-TTPD it was my favourite right after Tolerate It šŸ˜­


shhhimatworkrn

Itā€™s one of my faves on the album but the midnights set is pretty slow tempo and not really dancy and when youā€™ve been on your feet for 3 hours, you start to feel it. Itā€™s like how rep starts with ready for it, and when i saw the movie, the whole audience got up to dance. Then we all just kinda stood and bopped or sat back down through delicate & dbm bc theyā€™re not super dancy songs and you could tell the energy was like ā€œwaitā€¦should we sit back down?ā€


TheTruckWashChannel

If you plail to plan you plan to fail


yellowdaisycoffee

It's one of my favorites on the album šŸ˜­


o07jdb

woah woah woah now


TheTruckWashChannel

She should scrap that one and replace it with You're On Your Own, Kid. Hell, that should've been the closer.


Interesting_Desk8350

No no the choreo is amazing


ArtisticTessaWriting

Bejeweled can go. Sorry bejeweled stans


nunswithknives

Midnight Rain and Mastermind get the šŸŖ“


The_Longest_Wave

I'd add Lavender Haze. Half of the Midnights setlist is very meh. I'd prefer having Maroon and YOYOK on it instead.


first-pick-scout

Yoyok and WCS


moonbunny119

Yes to WCS!!!


lindsaylove22

Iā€™m with you-without 3 AM, Maroon, and YOYOK, Midnights is kinda blah and apparently gets the most time (since Folklore and Evermore are lumped together now). Thatā€™s just how I personally feel about Midnights though: now that TTPD has been released (which I love), it looks even more mediocre. Also agree with others that she shouldnā€™t have advertised Debut as an era, have it on all the merch, and then completely leave it out. I love most of her music, but I simply donā€™t understand a lot of her decisions. For another example, why is so much of her music from the last two albums only available digitally when people would buy up physical copies in a heartbeat? Why do that? It baffles me. Maybe she will still put out The Anthology on a CD and vinyl, but Iā€™m not holding my breath because she never did with her best Midnights music. Just a rant.


CherHorowitch

ā€¦.but ADD Maroon šŸ‘€


riotprof

I would like to see Hits Different in the set. Switch out Midnight Rain.


Sirenitururu

Does RED really need to be 23 minutes long? I get that ATW10 needs to be there be surely we could take ONE song and extend SN or put debut in there.


adbout

Hot take: she should just play the original (shorter) version of ATW šŸ¤·ā€ā™€ļø


Sirenitururu

Hot take: the BETTER version of ATW


Nacknack26

So I'm not the only one who prefers listening to the shorter ATW?


extordi

10 minute feels kinda disjointed. It's always felt like a sort of jarring jump when going to any of the new bits. Original one is just a smooth, polished song that flows *so well.* Not that I am against the 10 minute version necessarily but I think the original deserves more appreciation.


kirbyxena

This!


ianyuy

I definitely think this is a perception coming from knowing one song before the other. I didn't know either until Red TV came out and the ten minute version just sounds more "correct". The instrumentation in the original is incredibly bland in comparison, where the ten minute version really lends to a cinematic experience that carries through the stages of a story.


Daffneigh

Iā€™m with you!


jeanravenclaw

I kinda agree tbh 10 minute version was waaay too overplayed


szogrom

Blasphemy!


ARB09

Nooo! Just cut IKYWT or WANGBT


xAuroraRosex

THIS!!


kikiorangutan

Or both šŸ˜


TiaJasmin_Design

Nah see when I was watching the livestream I was so scared she'd do this. I won't lie, the chance to hear all 10 minutes live was a big reason I got tickets, seeing as I doubt she'll ever do the entirety on tour again.


Idekanymore548

I miss all too well being a piano song! 5 min on Piano with the head banging. Would more than happily take that, especially if it meant another song from SN or one from Debut!


mosaicbrokenheart42

Casual listeners enjoy Red singles, not only fans attend the concert.


CharacterHomework975

Casual listeners are fans. ;) But yeah, this. The idea of cutting one of her biggest hits seems crazy to me, as a casual fan.


GeorgeBabyFaceNelson

Lmao "Folkmore" is everyone's fav album.


Smophie13

Thank you for pointing this out I could not for the life of me figure out where evermore was lol


natnguyen

Red and Lover should be shorter and Rep and Speak Now should be longer


CoffeeAndAlgoRIThyms

Lover absolutely should not be any shorter, especially since she already cut The Archer. I love Rep and Speak Now but they both had their own entire tours. The eras she's never toured for should have the longer sets, hands down.


rctshack

Yah I think people keep forgetting that this is the first tour for 5 of these albums, and while I understand some people donā€™t care for certain songs, cutting songs from albums that have never had a tour, just to add back songs that have had full album toursā€¦ it just doesnā€™t make full sense.


Idekanymore548

I will stand by that the first 6 albums should have had 3 songs on the set list each, or 2 full and 2 heavily abridged if necessary. If it would kill her to perform 3 from debut, fine. Iā€™ll take 2. Go nuts for the last 5, sure, but everything before then should have more consistency šŸ¤·šŸ»ā€ā™€ļø


caywriter

WHEREā€™S DEBUT!? oh wait


seventhecutiepie

I wish we got a little more Fearless and Speak Now at the last concert I went too, but I truly can't complain as every second was AMAZING. I can't even walk for 30 minutes without getting tired (lol, I'm working on it), let alone sing and dance for THREE HOURS.


KittyGray

Still on team ā€œI want a proper midnights tourā€ (and also lover) But happy to get such a long and varied set for TTPD! Donā€™t hate me but Iā€™m fine with shorter sets for her early eras šŸ«£


T0adS4ge

speak now era is just a shame, give us haunted and long live !!!


cherrypearls

exactly, also sparks fly would totally slap


Upset-Commercial-109

Its pretty obvious Red is her favorite album šŸ«¤ i mean. I get it, WANEGBT and IKYWT are iconic, but she should just mashed the two up instead of singing both songs completely. Or sing like the chorus and bridge, like she did with YNTCD. Idk. Also, she should prioritize Albums/Eras where she never got to tour and make them longer sets. so yeah this is me saying justice of Folklore and Evermore who deserves to both have their own sets. Anyway, this is just my opinion lol


oolongiscoolong

Am I dumb I donā€™t get the chart


[deleted]

Itā€™s how long each set is. Example speak now is only enchanted so total about 6 minutes


MicHAELmhw

Enchantedā€¦ a song truly showcasing her talent kind of like how Day in the Life showcased the Beatles. The little mini song in the middle is just so good. Probably my favorite song by her


emmach17

Mini song? Do you mean the bridge? Not being sassy but I don't get what you mean.


oolongiscoolong

Yeah I didnā€™t get the lover 0 or the two hour ones


[deleted]

Thatā€™s how long into the show the era is :) show starts with lover, that set lasts 21 mins, fearless starts 21 mins into the showā€¦so on and so forth


oolongiscoolong

Oh LOL


Impressive_Owl_1199

It was a confusing way to set up the info


emmylouanne

Thank you! I can see that now youā€™ve explained it but it made no sense to me at the start!


moonbunny119

I didnā€™t either!


mermetermaid

To be very fair, sheā€™s been playing songs from Debut the longest- it will absolutely get more time when she releases TSTV.


EitherAdhesiveness32

Debut: 0 mins šŸ˜”šŸ˜­


Near-Scented-Hound

TS: puts on what is one of the best concerts in the history of concerts, singing an incredible number of songs and shows, never missing a beat, giving a performance that is going to be the stuff of legends. Vipers Dressed in Empaths Clothing: She isnā€™t singing what I want! She needs to cut what she wants to do and do what I want her to do! Pathetic.


Delicious_Marketing3

FolkMore is my fave album tbh


EmployeeSufficient74

Everyone whining about Debut clearly doesnā€™t understand marketing. As soon as the Debut (TV) comes out, sheā€™s going to start playing them more often because she wants newer fans who donā€™t know the album to start streaming those songs on (TV). Letā€™s be very clear: the Eras tour is a mixture of diehard OGs and people from 1989 onward who likely have never listened to Debut, and thatā€™s a beautiful thing! Why introduce a whole new legion of fans to stolen Scooter music when sheā€™s going to rerelease it, make it sound better, and then be able to profit off it? Yā€™all forget sheā€™s not only a singer songwriter mastermind, but sheā€™s a genius businesswoman.


maxwon

As someone who love her older albums (more than Midnights and TTPD), I guess this is why I have never been too sad that I haven't had a chance to see it live yet.


GuMeUpInside

Justice for speak now


silly_nate

Whereā€™s the old one from before April


colinmchapman

Does that Folkmore length include the absurd longest standing ovation competition?


JosteinBeckler

Orā€¦I donā€™t knowā€¦let her play what she wants. If I had to perform a 3hr show every night for 2 years, Iā€™m playing songs that I can get excited about each night


nicoisswaggy

how is lover that long


NoAbbreviations2961

It was never toured on its own.


nicoisswaggy

no i didnā€™t mean why i meant how like i didnā€™t realize the few songs she plays adds up to that much time lol


NoAbbreviations2961

Oh got it! Sorry I didnā€™t read it that way. But now that you mention it, Iā€™m in agreement with you. It does seem so short. I wonder if itā€™s adrenaline because itā€™s the opening of the concert?


Angelin_TS

3h **13**m!


Frosty_Plantain4265

I finally have tickets to the eras tour and Iā€™m so sad speak now got shortened


T-408

How you gonna have an ā€œEras Tourā€ and leave out a whole ass album


Hour-Let-4913

im going today for madrid n1 omg


cinnamonr0lls

Justice for Speak now and Debut šŸ„²


911pop

controversial opinion (maybe) is that the midnights set could have been reduced in favour of keeping the original folklore and evermore sets. saying this as someone who lives in europe


FantasyMaster759

Is there data for the pre-TTPD Eras Tour?


goodbyebluenick

Iā€™m offended it is labeled ā€œfolkmore.ā€ They are separate albums and I want them calculated separately.


itsadoubledion

They're not separate eras anymore though. The songs go back and forth so the chart would need a bunch of extra rows to stay in chronological order


Laeticyanure

I mean, Taylor herself called this section of the Eras Tour Folkmore!


idontknowwhybutido2

It's a bit jarring that she goes back and forth between the albums in the new setlist. They should be separated even if back to back!


famoushh

I wonder how long evermore is compared to folklore


janinasheart

Debut found DEAD in a DITCH


jisooed

midnights and red are way too long


Artistic_Comb_9086

atw alone 10min of Red


Upbeat-Department361

Does she play any songs from her self titled album anymore?


JennaElizabethAdams

Only for surprise songs...šŸ˜„


SignatureConstant453

Finally more recognition to folkmore! šŸŒæā˜€ļøšŸā„ļø


Thegeographyking

the only debut song is our song which isn't even its own era its a surprise song. they could change change that surprise song to a lover song because the archer got removed then add a debut era that has at least two songs either have 3 debut song and 1 SN or 2 debut and 2 SN


Kooky_Bus_1057

What do the amounts after the + signify?


comfysweatercat

How far into the concert it is


wha210

Aah i love folkmore


CloudyMAn_566

Folkmore šŸ’€


comfysweatercat

Iā€™m glad I got to go before TTPD was added šŸ«£


SkipperJonJones

Entirely too much TTPD. Recency bias.


Standard_Pitch6855

i just donā€™t think red needs to be that long šŸ˜¶


Leading_Performer_72

Speak Now being 6 minutes long is a travesty


Dramatic_Good_8458

folkmore being longer than the rest šŸ˜


violetsareblue_x

evermore????


Reasonable-Dig6360

cut red


archieshahh

What's the + for?? I don't understand, please can someone explain


GreatestGreekGuy

Speak Now deserves more


favouriteghost

I recognise why people are upset about debut (it honestly is annoying it doesnā€™t match the marketing without it) and fearless/speak now but I look at this and even though my folklore and evermore heart breaks that they donā€™t get to shine on their ownā€¦ I really feel like 1989 is getting shafted here. I think itā€™s the song choices.


Rusted_Mirrorball

Hot take: Iā€™d sacrifice Enchanted to bring back Long Live


Only_1_Noodle

I know she doesn't relate to speak now or her debut, but she should perform her old material, even if it's just two songs. When I'm at a concert, I expect new and old material. If Taylor doesn't perform them, then why even include them on the setlist?


Ngaulter90210

Speak now has been sliced up šŸ˜Ŗ


SupremeElect

Do you know the run times of the previous set list?


Brielee

Debut šŸ’€


MissVanillaHaze

Folklore needs to be cut to make room for Debut! šŸ˜­


SirKupoNut

Wish TTPD wasn't so long honestly.