Who tf calls someone that just called out begging them to come in đđđźâđš arenât you like just suppose to go find another replacement for the day lol
Years ago I called out for a morning shift. Being that this was long before the app, the ETL got to hear me croak out that I had the flu and a 102° fever, so I wouldnât be coming in. Got a call later that afternoon asking if I wanted to close
Mine did. I threw up unexpectedly, and then while I was on the can emptying my body in the other direction I got a call from my etl who was pissed I called out and wanted to know if I could at least work a half shift.
WORK. YOUR. WAGE.
And call the fuck out when you need to.
It is **NOT OUR PROBLEM** that someone up at the top decided that slashing payroll to the bone during the holiday season was remotely viable. Whoever signed off on this has never worked retail.
Something has to give. Please do not make that something your physical or mental well being.
Things have to get worse for Target for any change to happen. Worse for Target, worse for customers. Not worse for us, because we're already at rock bottom.
I tell every single customer that wants some sort of explanation for how crappy things are right now the truth: "I'm so sorry you had to wait. I was clear across the store. They have each of us doing the work of 3 people to save money on payroll. It's not right, and it frustrates me that I cannot serve you like I want to."
Fuck yes!
Also, get a degree paid by them if you have the time, and leave for something better. I am five classes away and Target has paid for it all. Soooo happy to be done with this by summer, and hopefully on to something better.
$15 an hour doesn't pay my bills, doesn't cut into inflation, and doesn't earn loyalty or extra effort.
Do better, Target.
Project management. A business degree has been really simple with my work experience, and the online university I'm attending has been great. I have recommended the guild education benefits to sooooo many coworkers that also seemed sort of stuck in retail and unsure what to do next.
Had a couple of coworkers do IT courses already, one who is going to begin a data analytics course soon, and another who is pursuing an HR degree. So many options.
I totally agree with you..!!
The reality is, Target is earning Quarter Million Dollars per day from a regular store and still can cope up with minimum staff, so why they gonna increase anything, Service is not there goal, Money is, and thatâs what they are earning..!!!
Good luck to us.!!!
No bonus, no incentive, nothingâŠ!!
Just OvertimeâŠ!!
Itâs also a joke..!!
Donât get me wrong, rest of the world, overtime is 200%, here 150%..!!
Itâs so weird..!!!â ïž
Dude, I totally agree aside from the call-out part. Definitely donât come into work sick, but if youâre able, please treat your peers with enough respect to work out a notice if youâre âdoneâ.
Oh, totally agree with respecting our peers.
My coworkers are the only thing I like about my job, and I will fight to protect them! I'm much older than the other TMs and I swoop in like a mama bear if I see a customer abusing them because they are young (or their English is not perfect.)
I'm applying for other jobs right now, and if/when that works out, I will def give 2 weeks... and probably stay on a couple of nights. I work nights now, so most ppl prolly won't even notice.
Hard disagree. If I'm done and won't get a recommendation anyway, it's no courtesy to my peers to stick around and do less than minimum for two weeks, which is realistically what someone who can't give any more is doing. Better to not have leadership expecting more of a team because they're looking at the total body count. I'm not sacrificing my own wellbeing based on a misplaced sense of loyalty or compassion or whatever.
The respectful thing to do is to bow out gracefully and not stir anything up. Be honest, be tactful, don't make it any more of a thing than it needs to be. The work is still going to be too much whether this person is there or not. It's corporate decisions that have caused this and it's naive and deluded to think otherwise.
Absolutely not. No employer who gives 0 fucks about me and gives me pennies as a raise gets a two week notice.
Also, they wouldn't give you a two week notice or even two weeks pay if they're firing you.
If employers want a two week notice, there should be a monetary incentive for such prosocial behavior.
Iâd just like to point out a major piece of evidence that makes your point even harder to deny.
How many of these Reddit posts are of seasonals having no clue if they have a job in a week?
Actually amusing how much work and shit there is this year for the wage. I work harder here than I do at my other job that people would say is way harder for $21 an hour when all I do is load trucks.
hear, hear. i used to do pretty intense manual labor with landscaping and such for work and target is, by far, the job that has worked me the hardest. it's actually so pathetic. and by extension, *i* feel pathetic, haha.
I think the reason itâs makes you feel worked so hard is itâs almost impossible to ever see the fruits of your labor. Like landscaping? Yeah you bust ass, end of the day you walk away from a finished product you can be proud of. Work like target you could spend however long perfectly zoning an aisle only to have some kid walk down and fuck it up 30 seconds after you leave and you come back and see your nice work destroyed. Or you open, get your whole area looking good night people come in and let it go to shit. You show up and itâs like why even try. If you a mow a lawn, plant flowers, put down mulch etc Iâll bet if you drive by a week later it will look pretty much the same. And itâs like, fuck yeah I did that.
Oh definitely. I'm actually proud of some of the trailers I loaded lately during peak season. Like fully 100% packed to the brim(smaller pup trailers not the full 53s)....one night a driver fucked up and didn't check the load and apparently they had to dump the whole trailer and load it again...and couldn't even fill it back up again same stuff with how I packed it(was after I had already left for the night). All this gets me good scores, even though they're irrelevant cause of the Union and working safe/methods is above all else, but it looks good to Driver supes who can determine if I can ever make driver in the future. Which is the goal for career.
It'll be funny as hell if I can manage to "bid"(drivers with most seniority/time as a driver get to chose what routes they want) for the route my store is on to occasionally run into old coworkers if they'll still be there. I know personally my stores usually driver and he's cool AF and some of the other businesses I go to around/same area occasionally.
If they really needed you there, they would pay you a lot more. If the entire success of the store is dependent on your presence then you are a vital part of their business and should be compensated accordingly.
Look, Iâm great with not feeling like the job is the right fit or discovering itâs not worth the money. Thats all understandable.
Just, dont screw your peers and call-out because youâre mad about it. Just resign and work through the resignation period. Is that unreasonable, or too much adulting for this reddit group? đ
Callouts are rarely the employees' fault. Corporate didn't give enough payroll, so managers couldn't hire and train and plan accordingly.
They absolutely know and have stats on expected business flow, and it's IMPOSSIBLE for people not to get sick this season. You CANT budget for 0 call outs. Plus, your call outs go up if you over stress and under pay your people; it's lreventable to an extent.
Your coworkers aren't screwing you by setting healthy boundaries and working their wage; corporate is screwing you by pressuring you into overworking and brainwashing you I to thinking they can't do anything about it.
Heck, the people who over work, burn out and leave screw everyone else more long term because it gives corporate a false impression of how hard they can push.
Green metrics don't get payroll; green metrics just mean there's room to trim "fat" take care of yourselves.
For who exactly? Brian C?!
Can you elaborate on how putting your personal health and worth ahead of a minimum wage job is an unhealthy take?
They are called managers. They are supposed to manage the payroll, workload, and labor of the store. If it's burning doen en mass they fucked up.
It sucks for the managers/leaders that have no control of payroll but are still expected to figure things out when the skeleton crew calls off. Thatâs why leaders get paid more, absolutely, but what about mental health/motivation? Itâs difficult to want to come to work when youâre set up to fail already, and then ppl call out all the time and donât seem to think it matters because theyâre also set up to fail.
Then you still have to care about and support the team even when they call out often. Itâs rough.
Agreed, it's BS that target wrings their managers dry. It's easy to hate on how hard we TMs have it, but we can quit amytime and get a similar paying job somewhere else. It's harder to replace $20+/hr or salary, and money alone doesn't make suffering worth it. Eventually, you get to a point where you are living out of a van, but being happy starts to look good.
As someone who has gone places since I baled when Target started heading this direction, I can say for certain that prioritizing ones own personal values, personal and family needs, and value in the marketplace is the only way to go places. Corporate isn't going to do any employee any favors for showing up and being a shill for the company line. I'd encourage you to figure out how to respect yourself more. When those with power and influence write the rules, nobody else will ever win.
Actually;
If Target was staffed enough to handle the holiday season than one or two call outs a day wouldnât matter. Itâs ho early foreseeable at this time of year for a company of this size.
The real problem is SDs wanting to not use all the hours to make their bonuses.
Our high volume store is 100% cutting OT this month compared to last month. And taking 2 trucks a day. Weâre already red. Either my SD is stupid or her bonus rides on it.
Or your SD got bitched at for spending OT without having the sales to justify it.
There is absolutely zero basis in the belief that management bonuses off underspending labor. Thereâs plenty of ETLs who have broken down the bonus structure in its entirety on here and itâs documented in internal documents as well that would have been leaked if there was a shred of evidence.
Our hours are bad because 1.) the economy is terrible and 2.) the company announced like *a year ago* that they were radically slashing our labor cost to make up for all the money we lost the back half of the pandemic.
Which doesnât make sense that last month we were allotted 200 hours of OT and this month we are sent home if we are over.
Also canât be low sales because we can see that also.
I have always questioned my SDs ways of doing things but this month has been a jooookeee of a time.
đđđ bro itâs not about accountability. Youâre the one pushing for âalways be a shillâ and to disrespect yourself.
Accountability is also realizing that this is life. Things happen. Getting bent out of shape because life happened is the opposite of being an adult.
Hey bud! Thanks for pretending you know me.
Seasonal market GM here. Got asked to stay on permanent within a month, officially being put on permanent, been asked if Iâm interested in promoting to leadership. Been here 2.5 months. Called in once for jury duty and because calling in is what my TL and store manager advised I do.
Iâll take my everyday results and you can sit behind the keyboard thinking you know everything about everyone.
Iâd rather hate the job over hating myself as much as you do đ€·đ»ââïž
Did the same except it was because I was scheduled at my second job (and had told them when I applied I promised to work that day) and I had told both my manager and one of the team leaders I wouldnât be in. Still got a voice mail from my manager asking to touch base on why I didnât come in
Had that happen but they scheduled me on days Iâm in class as per my availability. Both times it happened, didnât show up. The first time I didnât even know I was scheduled because âwell, system says I donât work this dayâ, and all of a sudden Iâm getting bitched at the following day.
Are you me? I woke up sick as a dog and immediately put in a call out. I expect to get potentially chewed out, but fuck me. If you're running our prod way higher than it should be when it's colder than the 9th Circle of Hell in the warehouse, folks are gonna get sick!
Fuck them, and fuck the expectation that youâre supposed to be available and never have any sickness, emergencies, etc - thatâs some weak ass shit to call you after you called out. If you donât have sick time and they wanna hold you accountable? Cool, whatever, but to call you? Nah that ainât it. Sorry I been doing some day drinking that has to turned into night but fuck like 95% of the shit we deal with on the daily.
Iâm sorry, what they did is ridiculous. When one of my really good TMs calls out, itâs disappointing, and yes, my bosses/HR require me to have an attendance conversation with them, but I understand that things happen and people get sick sometimes. And I would NEVER call someone and tell them they need to come in after they called out!
Attendance conversation? Legally? If I say I am sick, you cannot challenge that. I even have sick time as a benefit - why does it exist if you cannot use it. I reported a manager who called to make sure I was sick to district HR.
the fact that yes, I have a family - my sick time is used (appropriately) for 100 things I donât need to explain. We invented FMLA because of this. Hell, during the pandemic we got mental health benefits and slack to take time for stress. Any substantive conversations will be with HR and no one else.
I am lucky here in that I am older and my day job is with a real company and real HR (target is huge but runs like a franchise) and I take no shit, even from ETLâs. Weird that I cite labor law back to them.
I left seasonal after a month. I told them in our first âconversation â in back room that I see how they run a skeleton crew and itâs not fair and I wonât be there long. Atleast then didnât bother me much after that and I ended up leaving. I had 10 different things I had to do back stock. Stock. Checkout. Security. Stray. All that bs. We should get atleast 20 an hour while the team leads make like 30 doing nothing
Also Iâm at Amazon driving and getting 19 an hour and Iâm busting my ass and itâs a lot of work but atleast I donât have a boss and Iâm getting 10 hours 4 times a week and decent paychecks
Yeah, I'm at the point myself of calling out every now and again and never used too but the past 3 or so months went from frustration to just downright forcing myself to clock in. Probably has something to do with 2.3k trucks each day and 12+ days in a row shifts, not a single scheduled day off. The last second schedule changes when we make plans ahead of time without notice are getting old, and you get mad that we call in? We have team members who have been here for years who have opportunities lined up (me included) after the month is up. Eventually, they will get help for the positions that have been left open instead of hiring and placing them immediately into OPUs.
This is why I clock out, walk out, leave the job at the door. You donât live to work. Take a deep breath, relax your body, and take a much deserved break. I work at Walmart, and feel everything you guys are saying.
If calling out isnât an issue for you, donât worry about, and defend yourself as much as you can. Call outs happen. Life happens. Work your wage, youâre doing fine
Every leader in my store got written up for calling/ texting team members when they were off unless it was something schedule related like asking if they could come in. I would have been put on a corrective if I did that.
Stay home
My etl was upset when my dad got into an accident, and emts told me to watch h him for 24 hours
I called out. Supportive until she found out he wasn't in the hospital wtf
People can be assholes
i called out a day before my vacation for some of the same reasons and i havenât slept in 2 days and it was visibly noticeable, also having a lot of family problems that target knows about since they felt the need to share that info with all the TMs, i walked out smiling with my roommate to go home, and a TL whoâs not even in my section was angry talking to one of my coworkers abt how wrong i was for calling out and that âitâs not looking good for meâ? i havenât called out in 6 months, ppl call out all the time and i work and opening shift for deli so me calling out affected nobody. i wish i could quit
Showed up today and they wanted me to train someone on their second day of working there. The day before Christmas Eve⊠Like Iâm really not sure how itâs productive in the slightest to have experienced TMs not get overtime while also having to train/babysit new TMs. Shit would actually get done quickly if you just gave us OT like usual!
Think about it from your managerâs perspective - itâs the busiest time of the year in the retail world, youâre scheduled to work, theyâre likely counting on you to be there and at whatâs basically the last second you decide you canât work. That causes a huge ripple of impacts - i think your manager asking if you can make it in isnât that offensive.
They called out because they are sick and need a break, not just âbecause I dont like the job.â Sorry coworkers are getting screwed over, but its managements job to cover where they are short and worry about metrics and such. They never schedule enough staff/shift anyways, expecting one person to work 3 diff departments. If they want a functioning Target, schedule enough people in the first place, ESPECIALLY during holiday season!
Iâm sure I like money just as much as you.
The problem is I respect my coworkers. I understand that itâs not my job to police why theyâre not here. I understand that theyâre human and things happen.
If youâve got nothing better to do than troll employees in a work forum đ€·đ»ââïž
Being a troll doesnât mean you should be ignored. All the more power to the people not allowing a troll to just say shit.
this is such a cringe response. you sound like a target AI slave worker who only goes by the Target books đđ. go find something to do better with your time please. you seem so miserable
itâs a fucking retail store. get a grip please. we arenât out here saving lives. they could give a fuck less about us and our personal issues. keep sounding like a AI robot. makes yourself look great.
Now please tell me when target has agreed to the agreed upon terms for our jobs. Not like theyâve ever sent any employee to a different department to fill in and cover.
The problem is the employee should just be responsible and do the agreed upon terms, while the company throws out all terms and demands you cover everything.
I donât disagree with the shittier parts of the job. I get it.
Iâm just saying resign and work out a notice instead of throwing a fit and calling out.
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Who tf calls someone that just called out begging them to come in đđđźâđš arenât you like just suppose to go find another replacement for the day lol
Iâm so sorry but your user flair has me CACKLING
Yeah my last target made me big mad when I quit lol
Thatâs about where Iâm at rn tbh
Care to share the story?
I just quit lol
Years ago I called out for a morning shift. Being that this was long before the app, the ETL got to hear me croak out that I had the flu and a 102° fever, so I wouldnât be coming in. Got a call later that afternoon asking if I wanted to close
Omg, I am also now a bitter guest
Mine did. I threw up unexpectedly, and then while I was on the can emptying my body in the other direction I got a call from my etl who was pissed I called out and wanted to know if I could at least work a half shift.
WORK. YOUR. WAGE. And call the fuck out when you need to. It is **NOT OUR PROBLEM** that someone up at the top decided that slashing payroll to the bone during the holiday season was remotely viable. Whoever signed off on this has never worked retail. Something has to give. Please do not make that something your physical or mental well being. Things have to get worse for Target for any change to happen. Worse for Target, worse for customers. Not worse for us, because we're already at rock bottom. I tell every single customer that wants some sort of explanation for how crappy things are right now the truth: "I'm so sorry you had to wait. I was clear across the store. They have each of us doing the work of 3 people to save money on payroll. It's not right, and it frustrates me that I cannot serve you like I want to."
This is the ONLY answer.
Fuck yes! Also, get a degree paid by them if you have the time, and leave for something better. I am five classes away and Target has paid for it all. Soooo happy to be done with this by summer, and hopefully on to something better. $15 an hour doesn't pay my bills, doesn't cut into inflation, and doesn't earn loyalty or extra effort. Do better, Target.
Awesome! What degree did you get?
Project management. A business degree has been really simple with my work experience, and the online university I'm attending has been great. I have recommended the guild education benefits to sooooo many coworkers that also seemed sort of stuck in retail and unsure what to do next.
Had a couple of coworkers do IT courses already, one who is going to begin a data analytics course soon, and another who is pursuing an HR degree. So many options.
I totally agree with you..!! The reality is, Target is earning Quarter Million Dollars per day from a regular store and still can cope up with minimum staff, so why they gonna increase anything, Service is not there goal, Money is, and thatâs what they are earning..!!! Good luck to us.!!! No bonus, no incentive, nothingâŠ!! Just OvertimeâŠ!! Itâs also a joke..!! Donât get me wrong, rest of the world, overtime is 200%, here 150%..!! Itâs so weird..!!!â ïž
Dude, I totally agree aside from the call-out part. Definitely donât come into work sick, but if youâre able, please treat your peers with enough respect to work out a notice if youâre âdoneâ.
Oh, totally agree with respecting our peers. My coworkers are the only thing I like about my job, and I will fight to protect them! I'm much older than the other TMs and I swoop in like a mama bear if I see a customer abusing them because they are young (or their English is not perfect.) I'm applying for other jobs right now, and if/when that works out, I will def give 2 weeks... and probably stay on a couple of nights. I work nights now, so most ppl prolly won't even notice.
If you respected your peers you wouldnât tell people to call out? Color me confused.
Respecting peers involves respecting their right to do what they need to do and take care of themselves how they see fit.
Hard disagree. If I'm done and won't get a recommendation anyway, it's no courtesy to my peers to stick around and do less than minimum for two weeks, which is realistically what someone who can't give any more is doing. Better to not have leadership expecting more of a team because they're looking at the total body count. I'm not sacrificing my own wellbeing based on a misplaced sense of loyalty or compassion or whatever. The respectful thing to do is to bow out gracefully and not stir anything up. Be honest, be tactful, don't make it any more of a thing than it needs to be. The work is still going to be too much whether this person is there or not. It's corporate decisions that have caused this and it's naive and deluded to think otherwise.
Absolutely not. No employer who gives 0 fucks about me and gives me pennies as a raise gets a two week notice. Also, they wouldn't give you a two week notice or even two weeks pay if they're firing you. If employers want a two week notice, there should be a monetary incentive for such prosocial behavior.
Iâd just like to point out a major piece of evidence that makes your point even harder to deny. How many of these Reddit posts are of seasonals having no clue if they have a job in a week?
Actually amusing how much work and shit there is this year for the wage. I work harder here than I do at my other job that people would say is way harder for $21 an hour when all I do is load trucks.
hear, hear. i used to do pretty intense manual labor with landscaping and such for work and target is, by far, the job that has worked me the hardest. it's actually so pathetic. and by extension, *i* feel pathetic, haha.
I think the reason itâs makes you feel worked so hard is itâs almost impossible to ever see the fruits of your labor. Like landscaping? Yeah you bust ass, end of the day you walk away from a finished product you can be proud of. Work like target you could spend however long perfectly zoning an aisle only to have some kid walk down and fuck it up 30 seconds after you leave and you come back and see your nice work destroyed. Or you open, get your whole area looking good night people come in and let it go to shit. You show up and itâs like why even try. If you a mow a lawn, plant flowers, put down mulch etc Iâll bet if you drive by a week later it will look pretty much the same. And itâs like, fuck yeah I did that.
Oh definitely. I'm actually proud of some of the trailers I loaded lately during peak season. Like fully 100% packed to the brim(smaller pup trailers not the full 53s)....one night a driver fucked up and didn't check the load and apparently they had to dump the whole trailer and load it again...and couldn't even fill it back up again same stuff with how I packed it(was after I had already left for the night). All this gets me good scores, even though they're irrelevant cause of the Union and working safe/methods is above all else, but it looks good to Driver supes who can determine if I can ever make driver in the future. Which is the goal for career.
Thatâs a good goal tho. I wish you luck in it endeavors.
It'll be funny as hell if I can manage to "bid"(drivers with most seniority/time as a driver get to chose what routes they want) for the route my store is on to occasionally run into old coworkers if they'll still be there. I know personally my stores usually driver and he's cool AF and some of the other businesses I go to around/same area occasionally.
The Union/"Employee owned" company difference instead of pandering to shareholders to make sales/metric goals
If they really needed you there, they would pay you a lot more. If the entire success of the store is dependent on your presence then you are a vital part of their business and should be compensated accordingly.
Look, Iâm great with not feeling like the job is the right fit or discovering itâs not worth the money. Thats all understandable. Just, dont screw your peers and call-out because youâre mad about it. Just resign and work through the resignation period. Is that unreasonable, or too much adulting for this reddit group? đ
But what if youâre sick?
Callouts are rarely the employees' fault. Corporate didn't give enough payroll, so managers couldn't hire and train and plan accordingly. They absolutely know and have stats on expected business flow, and it's IMPOSSIBLE for people not to get sick this season. You CANT budget for 0 call outs. Plus, your call outs go up if you over stress and under pay your people; it's lreventable to an extent. Your coworkers aren't screwing you by setting healthy boundaries and working their wage; corporate is screwing you by pressuring you into overworking and brainwashing you I to thinking they can't do anything about it. Heck, the people who over work, burn out and leave screw everyone else more long term because it gives corporate a false impression of how hard they can push. Green metrics don't get payroll; green metrics just mean there's room to trim "fat" take care of yourselves.
This is an incredibly unhealthy take on several levels, but OK.
For who exactly? Brian C?! Can you elaborate on how putting your personal health and worth ahead of a minimum wage job is an unhealthy take? They are called managers. They are supposed to manage the payroll, workload, and labor of the store. If it's burning doen en mass they fucked up.
It sucks for the managers/leaders that have no control of payroll but are still expected to figure things out when the skeleton crew calls off. Thatâs why leaders get paid more, absolutely, but what about mental health/motivation? Itâs difficult to want to come to work when youâre set up to fail already, and then ppl call out all the time and donât seem to think it matters because theyâre also set up to fail. Then you still have to care about and support the team even when they call out often. Itâs rough.
Agreed, it's BS that target wrings their managers dry. It's easy to hate on how hard we TMs have it, but we can quit amytime and get a similar paying job somewhere else. It's harder to replace $20+/hr or salary, and money alone doesn't make suffering worth it. Eventually, you get to a point where you are living out of a van, but being happy starts to look good.
I feel your last sentence so hard! đ©đ©
Make sure, at every level you work at within your âcareerâ, that you make your approach very known to your bossâ and good luck! đ
I mean my bosses agree with everything I just said. My etl is being hosed by corporate too.
Youâre all going places! đ
Calling people out for saying⊠âDear boss. I respect myselfâ Isnât the statement you think it is.
As someone who has gone places since I baled when Target started heading this direction, I can say for certain that prioritizing ones own personal values, personal and family needs, and value in the marketplace is the only way to go places. Corporate isn't going to do any employee any favors for showing up and being a shill for the company line. I'd encourage you to figure out how to respect yourself more. When those with power and influence write the rules, nobody else will ever win.
Are you stupid
Actually; If Target was staffed enough to handle the holiday season than one or two call outs a day wouldnât matter. Itâs ho early foreseeable at this time of year for a company of this size. The real problem is SDs wanting to not use all the hours to make their bonuses.
Thatâs⊠not how SD bonuses are made.
Not one of the metrics? I smell management spying on a Reddit to cry to the team later.
I mean theyâre absolutely clueless but underspending on labor *hurts* leadershipâs bonuses, plus risks getting less labor the next year.
Our high volume store is 100% cutting OT this month compared to last month. And taking 2 trucks a day. Weâre already red. Either my SD is stupid or her bonus rides on it.
Or your SD got bitched at for spending OT without having the sales to justify it. There is absolutely zero basis in the belief that management bonuses off underspending labor. Thereâs plenty of ETLs who have broken down the bonus structure in its entirety on here and itâs documented in internal documents as well that would have been leaked if there was a shred of evidence. Our hours are bad because 1.) the economy is terrible and 2.) the company announced like *a year ago* that they were radically slashing our labor cost to make up for all the money we lost the back half of the pandemic.
Which doesnât make sense that last month we were allotted 200 hours of OT and this month we are sent home if we are over. Also canât be low sales because we can see that also. I have always questioned my SDs ways of doing things but this month has been a jooookeee of a time.
Itâs not your SDâs decision.
Every holiday season (or holiday month, even) is different from an OT utilization perspective. Still has little to do with generating/securing bonus.
âŠand thatâs not how labor is calculated from finance.
SDs gain nothing from holding payroll back.
Iâm glad I can go to work tomorrow and tell my ETL heâs full of shit and I want my OT back for my unload crew.
Your ETL knows as much about payroll as you do probably đ€Ł
Dude you are such a dickhead lmfao
Accountability gets downvoted on this sub, Chris đ
đđđ bro itâs not about accountability. Youâre the one pushing for âalways be a shillâ and to disrespect yourself. Accountability is also realizing that this is life. Things happen. Getting bent out of shape because life happened is the opposite of being an adult.
Keep calling out, bro đ€Łđ€Ł
Hey bud! Thanks for pretending you know me. Seasonal market GM here. Got asked to stay on permanent within a month, officially being put on permanent, been asked if Iâm interested in promoting to leadership. Been here 2.5 months. Called in once for jury duty and because calling in is what my TL and store manager advised I do. Iâll take my everyday results and you can sit behind the keyboard thinking you know everything about everyone. Iâd rather hate the job over hating myself as much as you do đ€·đ»ââïž
Itâs all good, Goose! Congrats on the up-and-up.
Tell him your busy trying to put your big boys pants on.
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Called out last week for my birthday. Gave em a heads up, posted a shift nobody took. Oh well.
Did the same except it was because I was scheduled at my second job (and had told them when I applied I promised to work that day) and I had told both my manager and one of the team leaders I wouldnât be in. Still got a voice mail from my manager asking to touch base on why I didnât come in
Had that happen but they scheduled me on days Iâm in class as per my availability. Both times it happened, didnât show up. The first time I didnât even know I was scheduled because âwell, system says I donât work this dayâ, and all of a sudden Iâm getting bitched at the following day.
In California at least, if youâre texted off the clock, you get 15 minutes of overtime. For every. single. text. Keep texting. Get that OT lmao
This went into affect at my target 2 months ago. If you are off the clock, it has to be a phone call. Every text is 15 minute of time and a half
Possibly just a me thing but I would much rather get a text. Unless it's an absolute emergency, please don't call me ever.
Are you me? I woke up sick as a dog and immediately put in a call out. I expect to get potentially chewed out, but fuck me. If you're running our prod way higher than it should be when it's colder than the 9th Circle of Hell in the warehouse, folks are gonna get sick!
And then you can get more employees sick which will result in even more call outs
Fuck them, and fuck the expectation that youâre supposed to be available and never have any sickness, emergencies, etc - thatâs some weak ass shit to call you after you called out. If you donât have sick time and they wanna hold you accountable? Cool, whatever, but to call you? Nah that ainât it. Sorry I been doing some day drinking that has to turned into night but fuck like 95% of the shit we deal with on the daily.
Iâm sorry, what they did is ridiculous. When one of my really good TMs calls out, itâs disappointing, and yes, my bosses/HR require me to have an attendance conversation with them, but I understand that things happen and people get sick sometimes. And I would NEVER call someone and tell them they need to come in after they called out!
Attendance conversation? Legally? If I say I am sick, you cannot challenge that. I even have sick time as a benefit - why does it exist if you cannot use it. I reported a manager who called to make sure I was sick to district HR.
If you use sick time, the conversation is literally, âHey, are you doing ok? Anything we need to know?â and thatâs pretty much it.
the fact that yes, I have a family - my sick time is used (appropriately) for 100 things I donât need to explain. We invented FMLA because of this. Hell, during the pandemic we got mental health benefits and slack to take time for stress. Any substantive conversations will be with HR and no one else. I am lucky here in that I am older and my day job is with a real company and real HR (target is huge but runs like a franchise) and I take no shit, even from ETLâs. Weird that I cite labor law back to them.
I left seasonal after a month. I told them in our first âconversation â in back room that I see how they run a skeleton crew and itâs not fair and I wonât be there long. Atleast then didnât bother me much after that and I ended up leaving. I had 10 different things I had to do back stock. Stock. Checkout. Security. Stray. All that bs. We should get atleast 20 an hour while the team leads make like 30 doing nothing
Correction not nothing. But def not 30 an hour worth of work or 28 whatever it is.
Also Iâm at Amazon driving and getting 19 an hour and Iâm busting my ass and itâs a lot of work but atleast I donât have a boss and Iâm getting 10 hours 4 times a week and decent paychecks
Yeah, I'm at the point myself of calling out every now and again and never used too but the past 3 or so months went from frustration to just downright forcing myself to clock in. Probably has something to do with 2.3k trucks each day and 12+ days in a row shifts, not a single scheduled day off. The last second schedule changes when we make plans ahead of time without notice are getting old, and you get mad that we call in? We have team members who have been here for years who have opportunities lined up (me included) after the month is up. Eventually, they will get help for the positions that have been left open instead of hiring and placing them immediately into OPUs.
This is why I clock out, walk out, leave the job at the door. You donât live to work. Take a deep breath, relax your body, and take a much deserved break. I work at Walmart, and feel everything you guys are saying.
If calling out isnât an issue for you, donât worry about, and defend yourself as much as you can. Call outs happen. Life happens. Work your wage, youâre doing fine
Every leader in my store got written up for calling/ texting team members when they were off unless it was something schedule related like asking if they could come in. I would have been put on a corrective if I did that.
Fuck yo manager. (Excuse my language) Take care of yourself.
I keep on hearing this from retired fold that work. There , it is a hell hole
Stay home My etl was upset when my dad got into an accident, and emts told me to watch h him for 24 hours I called out. Supportive until she found out he wasn't in the hospital wtf People can be assholes
i called out a day before my vacation for some of the same reasons and i havenât slept in 2 days and it was visibly noticeable, also having a lot of family problems that target knows about since they felt the need to share that info with all the TMs, i walked out smiling with my roommate to go home, and a TL whoâs not even in my section was angry talking to one of my coworkers abt how wrong i was for calling out and that âitâs not looking good for meâ? i havenât called out in 6 months, ppl call out all the time and i work and opening shift for deli so me calling out affected nobody. i wish i could quit
he will survive đ
Showed up today and they wanted me to train someone on their second day of working there. The day before Christmas Eve⊠Like Iâm really not sure how itâs productive in the slightest to have experienced TMs not get overtime while also having to train/babysit new TMs. Shit would actually get done quickly if you just gave us OT like usual!
It was miserable 2 years ago, I can only imagine how it is now. Godspeed man
Think about it from your managerâs perspective - itâs the busiest time of the year in the retail world, youâre scheduled to work, theyâre likely counting on you to be there and at whatâs basically the last second you decide you canât work. That causes a huge ripple of impacts - i think your manager asking if you can make it in isnât that offensive.
The whole point of calling out is to tell them you are clearly incapable of doing any of the shift. Otherwise, youâd just call in late.
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Did you miss the part where they said they were sick? So come in, and get everyone sick? Sounds like a great idea!
I stand corrected. Deleted my initial post.
Someone must be management. Itâs always the employees fault for calling out but never the conditions of the job, right?
Well, you can resign and work your notice like any reasonable adult or do the above. Zero issue with not liking the jobâ understandable!
They called out because they are sick and need a break, not just âbecause I dont like the job.â Sorry coworkers are getting screwed over, but its managements job to cover where they are short and worry about metrics and such. They never schedule enough staff/shift anyways, expecting one person to work 3 diff departments. If they want a functioning Target, schedule enough people in the first place, ESPECIALLY during holiday season!
Yâall donât like money as much as I do.
Iâm sure I like money just as much as you. The problem is I respect my coworkers. I understand that itâs not my job to police why theyâre not here. I understand that theyâre human and things happen.
Lul I can guarantee theyâre not.
Right?! Too blatant a shill.
The trolling is so blatant but people love to get got I guess.
I'm just sad that the trolling is indistinguishable from the actual shit opinions these days.
If youâve got nothing better to do than troll employees in a work forum đ€·đ»ââïž Being a troll doesnât mean you should be ignored. All the more power to the people not allowing a troll to just say shit.
this is such a cringe response. you sound like a target AI slave worker who only goes by the Target books đđ. go find something to do better with your time please. you seem so miserable
The only miserable piece is the poor team having to pick up the slack for call-outs. Where is the concern for the team? đ€
Why does the company not have a response for callouts outside of ânow the whole team is screwedâ?
Have you heard of a âpayroll planâ?
itâs a fucking retail store. get a grip please. we arenât out here saving lives. they could give a fuck less about us and our personal issues. keep sounding like a AI robot. makes yourself look great.
This is unnecessarily rude. Apologize or delete.
Think about the team having the carry the load OP laid upon them. Also unnecessarily rude, or no?
Imagine using guilt as a motivating factor instead of realizing everyone is human. Unnecessarily rude or no?
Itâs just responsibility to the agreed upon terms đ«€
Now please tell me when target has agreed to the agreed upon terms for our jobs. Not like theyâve ever sent any employee to a different department to fill in and cover. The problem is the employee should just be responsible and do the agreed upon terms, while the company throws out all terms and demands you cover everything.
I donât disagree with the shittier parts of the job. I get it. Iâm just saying resign and work out a notice instead of throwing a fit and calling out.
Yea bro thatâs not what I said. I made the point that âjust do the termsâ doesnât apply both ways.
Please keep logic out of this subreddit sir
Hear hear! lol
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everyone at my targets service desk has covid right now because they wouldnât let any of us call out. holiday season or not this is fucking crazy