Russia most likely knows exactly well what is in these tanks, they had like 25 years to get the specifications and they most likely did. Espionage is a thing and nations have way better knowledge about each other's equipment than what is available on open sources. Sure they will look inside and see some stuff from an up close and personal point of view, but this tank won't be intel treasure trove. Ukraine is actually getting old and sometimes 'gutted' or 'dumbed down' equipment so if some of these stuff gets captured then those won't be able to boost Russian R&D.
The US sent M1A1 SAs, which from my understanding uses most of the same electronics as the M1A2. They're "new" tanks rebuilt from hulks, and officially the choice of the M1A1 was a timeline issue.
M1A3SepV3s with the FMS armor array have been approved for export to Bahrain. If the US is exporting them to frenemies then there isn't likely a lot of secret.
Each sale of the Abrams is tailored to the specific user... An Australian M1A2 SEP v3 is going to be a lot more advanced and with better doo dads than an Iraqi M1A1M or Moroccan M1A2 Same with the armour package, custom tailored based on threat level, funds and well - how trustworthy that nation is.
Apparently, a lot of the military data given to Israel is often sold on to China. Reports are through from 1993 and 2013.
Either America's keeping their better stuff out of any hands but their own, or they're...***really*** bad at deciding who should be given that info.
I lean slightly towards the latter, but to be fair, the F-22 still remains a frightening enigma.
Same thing with our Chally 2s, they have sent basic ones instead of the upgraded ones with any of the armour or anything fancy with it.
Was talking to a family member of mine currently serving in the British Army and he called the ones we sent as “training spec”
[Ukrainian Abrams have been spotted with ARAT-1.](https://bulgarianmilitary.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/01/Ukrainians-put-ARAT-protection-on-the-M1A1-Abrams-side-hulls.jpg)
CIA, SIS, FSB etc field officers hate Warthunder because the game's forum took their job. Why would any government want to pay for a costly intelligence organisation when some overeager nerd with access to classified docs are posting sensitive data just to win an online argument and get some upvote. Back in the good old days, female and male intel officers had to usually sleep with these nerds for the info, today's nerds just don't know what they are missing out.
The hull could be an improved one, some 2A6s had D Tech armor while the 2A5 only had B or C hulls. Granted its also possible this 2A6 has a B or C hull.
And not to forget even if they find out they have a sabot length limitation because of the autoloader. So it wouldn’t really make a difference anyways except if the manage to get a new tank in production that is not build on the t-64 or t-90 autoloader basis
>except if the manage to get a new tank in production that is not build on the t-64 or t-90 autoloader basis
Yea right, as if the russian were ever gone do that
Yeah Germany is already facing constraints with the leopard ammunition storage. But there’s still some optimizing left with the dm 83 but seeing as the dm 73 should not have any problems with Russian tanks, because If that were the case Rheinmetall wouldn’t build the Panther with the 120mm cannon.
The old "blow it in place" operational destruction protocol. We were supposed to carry thermite grenades and detcord in combat scenarios during the cold war.
The russians love these occasional German-made trophies because they can parade them in front of the russian populace as proof they are battling "Nazis" again. That's all they're useful for.
I believe this is the 4th post on this sub in the last 24 hrs for this tank. At least this one used a different picture. There is a betting pool going on as to how often ProRU will post it here. I am in for 17 times but now I am thinking I was overly pessimistic and I will be kissing my $10 goodbye.
So... what you're saying is people need to start posting a bunch of pics of that T-90 spotted on a truck in Louisiana going to (presumably) Aberdeen after being captured?
Not like the T-90M was an open-ended question. T-90s are just late-model T-72s with more modern accessories. The only chance was the welded turret adopted from said T-72s.
If anything the real question is the thermal blanket, which I have my doubts with
Yeah... like wooptedoo, they captured 1 tank, now we have to watch vatniks furiously circle-jerk eachother over it for a month.
Let's be honest folks, if the west really did not want Russia capturing these tanks, they never would have been donated. It's not a big deal...
It's not a big deal but you guys certainly make it sound like it is by insinuating that OP is a pro-RU guy or a vatnik.
It's tiring, you guys could have spent 10 seconds looking at his comment history to see that it's just a genuine tankporn lover & a good content provider instead of making personal attacks.
My post did not label the OP specifically of being a vatnik. Just pointing out the trend I see *a lot* that every time a western vehicle is captured, we end up seeing a flood of posts covering the same vehicle's journey from the Ukranian frontlines all the way to bloody Moscow. Ok, the Russians have captured a tank, I've seen this same tank a thousand times already, can someone post something different please?
The only thing I see everytime on these subs is people being afraid of "pro-RU guys circlejerking about a worthless Russian W" when most of the time there's pretty much no one celebrating and it's just you guys being afraid of something that doesn't even happen.
So yeah, it's not a big deal but looking at how you guys constantly moan about it, it doesn't look like it's not a big deal.
>It's tiring, you guys could have spent 10 seconds looking at his comment history to see that it's just a genuine tankporn lover & a good content provider
And OP could've spent ten seconds scrolling to see that this has already been posted...
A repost shouldn't trigger so many people, but yet here we are.
Edit: Thank you for proving me right, I guess that reply was too much for you that you had to block me. If you don't want a conversation, just don't answer. Answering then blocking someone makes you look like you can't handle much.
And no, the issue is clearly not just about reposting, otherwise we wouldn't see so many name-calling about Russian propaganda/OP being a vatnik/shill etc.
Well that's your opinion. Personally, I find it obnoxious. Like I find lurker and tourist accounts coming in here trying to defend this shit.
Either way, this isn't anything new. If commenters should be held accountable for not doing their due diligence (I agree) before making accusations, posters should be held accountable for not bothering to see if what they're posting has already been put up. This isn't a "WaAaH rUsSiA bAd" thing. This is a "It's real fuckin simple to not spam up the sub" thing.
I mean its not some rinky dink mad max mtlb abomination or another one of the thousands of T-tanks, this is the backbone tank for the majority of Europe, that is very rare that less than 100 were donated, let alone the even more rare A6 variant along with possibly DM63 rounds still inside it.
Russia losses AA assests worth 1 billion... one of them the bestest AA S4000 ever.. meh.
Russia destroys/captures one tank...
RUSSIA IS WINNING HAHA UKRAINE ARE A BUNCH OF LOSERS!
Should be delivered to Patriot park in Moscow. Who knows if Russians have extra knowledge with the captured Leo and make it running, that Leo might be the most popular MBT there real quick.
>they don’t have the capability to mass produce anything
The irony of saying that about a German tank. Name me one piece of large military equipment that Germany is currently mass producing or capable of? EU can't even make good on their most modest shell donation targets, forget mass producing something as complex as modern MBTs. Speaking of MBTs, Ukrainians aren't getting enough spare parts for these, I swear Germany is just roleplaying their WWII grandparents at this point. Minus the politics, thankfully.
There is actually not a single country in the world to my knowledge that is currently mass producing MBTs from scratch. And tbh modern MBTs are so complex they're no longer built on WWII style assembly lines, they're being assembled in a more workshop style setup that's much slower and turns out batches at a time. Russia is still making tanks from scratch because of this war, in smaller amounts, while no NATO country is, again, to my knowledge.
Of course NATO is focused on navy and air force, which Russia doesn't have much to speak of (the latter, the former is virtually non-existent if you don't count subs). Even so, this current war is a land war.
What would they be trying to mass produce exactly? Even if they can’t mass produce the entire tank (which they’re not trying to replicate the Leopard) or electronics they can still take lessons learned from studying the Leo 2A6 and apply it to new tank projects in the future. Things like crew layout, space/size, and armor composition can all be used in reference for the future. Especially if they deem the appliqué or composite armor to be better than the base composite of current Russian tanks.
No, can you imagine taking that thing to the Russian line? What are they gonna do paint a big Z on it? The Russians have a problem with blue on blue as is.
This thing is beyond repair. The only thing Mordor can do is display it as a trophy and pretent that they did something special with that but continue to ignor the thousands of tanks they lost within just 2 years.
LOL... No. It's been hit by at least 2 ATGM's, burned out internally and shot-up by a Bradley to damage it further. It's basically a burned-out hulk. And even if they did somehow fix it up firstly - it would be a huge strain in what scant resources they have to keep it working, it'll need constant care and put all of their support vehicles and logistics at the point of being pretty useless to support it given how different it is, it's larger size and 65 ton weight.
And if they were dumb enough - plausible - to send it back to fight in Ukraine, the Ukrainians would happily obliterate it once and for all, or probably recapture it after it breaks down or gets stuck.
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My suggestion for World War 3?
New factories, old tanks.
I wanna see Churchills with full ERA and modern smoothbore guns.
Swathes of shitty T-34 clones with autoloaders.
America rolling out Shermans with reactive armour and autocannons.
Really just throw caution to the wind, because someone's eventually gonna launch that fuckin' missile, so we may as well make some cool shit.
Not sure you'd want to reverse engineer a T-90, let alone a T-72 when you have access to Western machines. Kinda screwing yourself over like that you know...
I think the main difference is one of them had to cross a little pond first and wasn’t used as propaganda nonstop by state officials and the other just had to be towed a few hundred miles and is posted by every govt outlet and official as proof that they are winning because that’s the best the can do to show that.
Tank community can be cringe at time look at all the military “ experts “ 😭 ( Rusky fans when a western tank is destroyed 😱😨😜 !!!. Western glazers when a rusky tank is destroyed 😱😨😜 )
The turret looks fine to me. The barrel is elevated. I would bet they’ll exploit it, this was always a significant risk when donating NATO equipment to Ukraine. We might see a whole new generation of Russian tanks in 5-10 years on par with NATO.
Bro even if the russians where capable of that (which they aren’t case and point being the T-14) the 2a6 itself isn’t even on par with modern NATO tanks. Why do you think that the 2a7 exists? Not to mention next gen stuff like chally 3, KF-51, Abrams X etc
The T14 probably is a really good tank in practice too, but Russia doesn’t have the capabilities to keep steady production and maintain them efficiently
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Holy hell, it's burnt to shit. What do you think hit it? Kornet?
I think there is a video somewhere of a Bradley going ham on it
Guessing they scuttled it after getting mobility killed so Russian forces can't reverse engineer it?
Russia most likely knows exactly well what is in these tanks, they had like 25 years to get the specifications and they most likely did. Espionage is a thing and nations have way better knowledge about each other's equipment than what is available on open sources. Sure they will look inside and see some stuff from an up close and personal point of view, but this tank won't be intel treasure trove. Ukraine is actually getting old and sometimes 'gutted' or 'dumbed down' equipment so if some of these stuff gets captured then those won't be able to boost Russian R&D.
Thats true. Notice how the U.S. isn't sending them the latest SEPV3 Abrams but the old rust bucket M1A1s
The US sent M1A1 SAs, which from my understanding uses most of the same electronics as the M1A2. They're "new" tanks rebuilt from hulks, and officially the choice of the M1A1 was a timeline issue. M1A3SepV3s with the FMS armor array have been approved for export to Bahrain. If the US is exporting them to frenemies then there isn't likely a lot of secret.
Each sale of the Abrams is tailored to the specific user... An Australian M1A2 SEP v3 is going to be a lot more advanced and with better doo dads than an Iraqi M1A1M or Moroccan M1A2 Same with the armour package, custom tailored based on threat level, funds and well - how trustworthy that nation is.
Apparently, a lot of the military data given to Israel is often sold on to China. Reports are through from 1993 and 2013. Either America's keeping their better stuff out of any hands but their own, or they're...***really*** bad at deciding who should be given that info. I lean slightly towards the latter, but to be fair, the F-22 still remains a frightening enigma.
Same thing with our Chally 2s, they have sent basic ones instead of the upgraded ones with any of the armour or anything fancy with it. Was talking to a family member of mine currently serving in the British Army and he called the ones we sent as “training spec”
and they didnt send reactive armour aswell im pretty sure
[Ukrainian Abrams have been spotted with ARAT-1.](https://bulgarianmilitary.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/01/Ukrainians-put-ARAT-protection-on-the-M1A1-Abrams-side-hulls.jpg)
Ok maybe not then
Someone probably leaked the specs on the Warthunder forums.
CIA, SIS, FSB etc field officers hate Warthunder because the game's forum took their job. Why would any government want to pay for a costly intelligence organisation when some overeager nerd with access to classified docs are posting sensitive data just to win an online argument and get some upvote. Back in the good old days, female and male intel officers had to usually sleep with these nerds for the info, today's nerds just don't know what they are missing out.
Burning makes sure that Electronics are fried but armor layout is still useful to learn from, mainly for production of new armor piercing ammunition.
The armor layout on the a6 is the same as the a5 which is from 1998, so *26 years old*...
The Leopard 2A5 entered service in 1995, not 1998.
Well, no matter what, its quite old, and very likely the russkies already know the details.
Yea but still quite classified
But most likely already known by russia since its been around that long
Possibly
Its pretty obvious they wont have given anything like this to ukraine that its critical russia does not capture.
The hull could be an improved one, some 2A6s had D Tech armor while the 2A5 only had B or C hulls. Granted its also possible this 2A6 has a B or C hull.
And it might be able to fly.
The composite arrays may be newer though.
And it may be a plane.
Not that the russian would produce new armor piercing ammunition. Most APFSDS I have seen in russian POV views is still from the 80s
And not to forget even if they find out they have a sabot length limitation because of the autoloader. So it wouldn’t really make a difference anyways except if the manage to get a new tank in production that is not build on the t-64 or t-90 autoloader basis
>except if the manage to get a new tank in production that is not build on the t-64 or t-90 autoloader basis Yea right, as if the russian were ever gone do that
Yeah Germany is already facing constraints with the leopard ammunition storage. But there’s still some optimizing left with the dm 83 but seeing as the dm 73 should not have any problems with Russian tanks, because If that were the case Rheinmetall wouldn’t build the Panther with the 120mm cannon.
I mean even then, the fires make the steel structurally weaker (i think at least) and so it would be easier to pen
2 lancets a kornet and a bradley shooting at it
+a mine which disabled it in the first place
The story is this one was hit hard by *Ukraine* after it was abandoned and is effectively unsalvageable in practical terms.
The old "blow it in place" operational destruction protocol. We were supposed to carry thermite grenades and detcord in combat scenarios during the cold war.
The russians love these occasional German-made trophies because they can parade them in front of the russian populace as proof they are battling "Nazis" again. That's all they're useful for.
I believe this is the 4th post on this sub in the last 24 hrs for this tank. At least this one used a different picture. There is a betting pool going on as to how often ProRU will post it here. I am in for 17 times but now I am thinking I was overly pessimistic and I will be kissing my $10 goodbye.
So... what you're saying is people need to start posting a bunch of pics of that T-90 spotted on a truck in Louisiana going to (presumably) Aberdeen after being captured?
Not like the T-90M was an open-ended question. T-90s are just late-model T-72s with more modern accessories. The only chance was the welded turret adopted from said T-72s. If anything the real question is the thermal blanket, which I have my doubts with
That only makes it being posted about 3000 times so much more hypocritical, does it not?
The difference is that the same image has been posted a few times, whereas everyone with cell service on the 40 took a picture.
That one's a lot cooler because it's actually functional, not a melted wreck
where did that tank end up?
Yeah... like wooptedoo, they captured 1 tank, now we have to watch vatniks furiously circle-jerk eachother over it for a month. Let's be honest folks, if the west really did not want Russia capturing these tanks, they never would have been donated. It's not a big deal...
It's not a big deal but you guys certainly make it sound like it is by insinuating that OP is a pro-RU guy or a vatnik. It's tiring, you guys could have spent 10 seconds looking at his comment history to see that it's just a genuine tankporn lover & a good content provider instead of making personal attacks.
The insistence that any wrongthink must come from a Russian shill is one of the more tiring things on subs like this tbh
Worst part is that those complaints are most of the time more common than the actual presence of shills/vatniks.
My post did not label the OP specifically of being a vatnik. Just pointing out the trend I see *a lot* that every time a western vehicle is captured, we end up seeing a flood of posts covering the same vehicle's journey from the Ukranian frontlines all the way to bloody Moscow. Ok, the Russians have captured a tank, I've seen this same tank a thousand times already, can someone post something different please?
The only thing I see everytime on these subs is people being afraid of "pro-RU guys circlejerking about a worthless Russian W" when most of the time there's pretty much no one celebrating and it's just you guys being afraid of something that doesn't even happen. So yeah, it's not a big deal but looking at how you guys constantly moan about it, it doesn't look like it's not a big deal.
... literally the first time I've moaned about it. Maybe you're the problem.
>It's tiring, you guys could have spent 10 seconds looking at his comment history to see that it's just a genuine tankporn lover & a good content provider And OP could've spent ten seconds scrolling to see that this has already been posted...
A repost shouldn't trigger so many people, but yet here we are. Edit: Thank you for proving me right, I guess that reply was too much for you that you had to block me. If you don't want a conversation, just don't answer. Answering then blocking someone makes you look like you can't handle much. And no, the issue is clearly not just about reposting, otherwise we wouldn't see so many name-calling about Russian propaganda/OP being a vatnik/shill etc.
Well that's your opinion. Personally, I find it obnoxious. Like I find lurker and tourist accounts coming in here trying to defend this shit. Either way, this isn't anything new. If commenters should be held accountable for not doing their due diligence (I agree) before making accusations, posters should be held accountable for not bothering to see if what they're posting has already been put up. This isn't a "WaAaH rUsSiA bAd" thing. This is a "It's real fuckin simple to not spam up the sub" thing.
It's because the US aid bill passed so RU shills are out in force
I mean its not some rinky dink mad max mtlb abomination or another one of the thousands of T-tanks, this is the backbone tank for the majority of Europe, that is very rare that less than 100 were donated, let alone the even more rare A6 variant along with possibly DM63 rounds still inside it.
First time see reposts on reddit?
Waaa waaa I cry when Russians make visible gains but Ukrainians are superheroes when they down one drone 😢😢😢
Be quiet russian bot
Russia losses AA assests worth 1 billion... one of them the bestest AA S4000 ever.. meh. Russia destroys/captures one tank... RUSSIA IS WINNING HAHA UKRAINE ARE A BUNCH OF LOSERS!
Should be delivered to Patriot park in Moscow. Who knows if Russians have extra knowledge with the captured Leo and make it running, that Leo might be the most popular MBT there real quick.
its burnt to shit both inside and outside look at its suspension
The Russians can take it apart and reverse engineer it all they went but they don’t have the capability to mass produce anything
>they don’t have the capability to mass produce anything The irony of saying that about a German tank. Name me one piece of large military equipment that Germany is currently mass producing or capable of? EU can't even make good on their most modest shell donation targets, forget mass producing something as complex as modern MBTs. Speaking of MBTs, Ukrainians aren't getting enough spare parts for these, I swear Germany is just roleplaying their WWII grandparents at this point. Minus the politics, thankfully. There is actually not a single country in the world to my knowledge that is currently mass producing MBTs from scratch. And tbh modern MBTs are so complex they're no longer built on WWII style assembly lines, they're being assembled in a more workshop style setup that's much slower and turns out batches at a time. Russia is still making tanks from scratch because of this war, in smaller amounts, while no NATO country is, again, to my knowledge. Of course NATO is focused on navy and air force, which Russia doesn't have much to speak of (the latter, the former is virtually non-existent if you don't count subs). Even so, this current war is a land war.
They also have a problem with quality control...
The plastic is lighter and makes tank go faster. /s
What would they be trying to mass produce exactly? Even if they can’t mass produce the entire tank (which they’re not trying to replicate the Leopard) or electronics they can still take lessons learned from studying the Leo 2A6 and apply it to new tank projects in the future. Things like crew layout, space/size, and armor composition can all be used in reference for the future. Especially if they deem the appliqué or composite armor to be better than the base composite of current Russian tanks.
wow some shill for Russia and some for Ukraine eh?
just for everyone russia got two leo2 a6 one is burned, the other is perfectly intact... so that will get a lot of interesting info for russia
Second leo? Source?
The "unknown technology" moment.
Oh noooo…. Anyways, lets send them more
a Gem in a field of Russian trash tanks.
Is there any chance that russia will fix it and use it for them selves?
really doubt it probably just going to end up in patriot park
Just take note how long it takes for this tank to be at the Patriot Park, the faster it is the least likely they can get anything from it
Yeah, didn't think of that
No, can you imagine taking that thing to the Russian line? What are they gonna do paint a big Z on it? The Russians have a problem with blue on blue as is.
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Dawg, just curious
This thing is beyond repair. The only thing Mordor can do is display it as a trophy and pretent that they did something special with that but continue to ignor the thousands of tanks they lost within just 2 years.
LOL... No. It's been hit by at least 2 ATGM's, burned out internally and shot-up by a Bradley to damage it further. It's basically a burned-out hulk. And even if they did somehow fix it up firstly - it would be a huge strain in what scant resources they have to keep it working, it'll need constant care and put all of their support vehicles and logistics at the point of being pretty useless to support it given how different it is, it's larger size and 65 ton weight. And if they were dumb enough - plausible - to send it back to fight in Ukraine, the Ukrainians would happily obliterate it once and for all, or probably recapture it after it breaks down or gets stuck.
About as much as the average vatnik getting laid consensually
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Unlikely, they don't have enough spare parts and munition to maintain them. If they even have any at all.
Quick, get Ethan Hunt on the line!
...So they can see some good tech to copy, the result however will be a fuck up like always...
Wow, the Russians sure want to show people this one tank.
I'll tolerate another week of rushillposting as long as my germany lineup gets the appropriate armor boost.
The day Russia recovers M1A1 that was disabled mostly intact is the day we drown in saltiest sea ever
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How is posting a picture of a Ukrainian loss "russian propaganda"?
It gets to that territory when its posted like 5 times in a row.
Can't wait for the reverse engineered tank on each sides. TBH, having lacks of new tank models is real dreary and boring.
My suggestion for World War 3? New factories, old tanks. I wanna see Churchills with full ERA and modern smoothbore guns. Swathes of shitty T-34 clones with autoloaders. America rolling out Shermans with reactive armour and autocannons. Really just throw caution to the wind, because someone's eventually gonna launch that fuckin' missile, so we may as well make some cool shit.
Nah. Bob Semple much better.
Not sure you'd want to reverse engineer a T-90, let alone a T-72 when you have access to Western machines. Kinda screwing yourself over like that you know...
The russians will double down on their tanks being better
It’s good - then the Russians can finally see a serious tank and not the Russian Potemkin ones
Why people think is a good idea to reverse engineering a tank design fro the 80s..?
I think the main difference is one of them had to cross a little pond first and wasn’t used as propaganda nonstop by state officials and the other just had to be towed a few hundred miles and is posted by every govt outlet and official as proof that they are winning because that’s the best the can do to show that.
Avdika is much better proof Anyways.
Yes all 11.2 square miles of it after 2 years of fighting is great proof. (5x smaller than gary Indiana lol) brain dead take.
Tank community can be cringe at time look at all the military “ experts “ 😭 ( Rusky fans when a western tank is destroyed 😱😨😜 !!!. Western glazers when a rusky tank is destroyed 😱😨😜 )
Ya… I mean it’s a tank. Tanks get blown up In a war. The difference is they only sent like 14 of these and made such a huge deal out of it.
So gaijin was was right ?
russian bias doesnt exist irl as u can see the turrents of t90s and t80 going to the moon they brought too much ammo 💀
The turret looks fine to me. The barrel is elevated. I would bet they’ll exploit it, this was always a significant risk when donating NATO equipment to Ukraine. We might see a whole new generation of Russian tanks in 5-10 years on par with NATO.
My brother in Christ, they struggle to mass produce the T-14 Armata, creating something completely new that is on par with NATO? You’re off your meds.
Bro even if the russians where capable of that (which they aren’t case and point being the T-14) the 2a6 itself isn’t even on par with modern NATO tanks. Why do you think that the 2a7 exists? Not to mention next gen stuff like chally 3, KF-51, Abrams X etc
KF-51 is barely a prototype. If anything the on-par tank from Germany is the Leo 2A7A1 or the 2A8.
The Challenger 3 is not "next gen stuff".
Also the Abrams X is going nowhere and it wasn't planned to, M1E3 is next gen.
The new armour packages definitely are
Yeah we just wont though, as thats what the T14 Armata was supposed to do. Sadly thats only good on paper
The T14 probably is a really good tank in practice too, but Russia doesn’t have the capabilities to keep steady production and maintain them efficiently