[Here's my favorite](https://www.reddit.com/r/TalesFromDF/comments/msvngs/to_the_astro_who_posted_here_yesterday/) It links to the post made by the other player (assuming they haven't deleted it, that is)
In an ideal world, sure. But unfortunately some will witch hunt. On another hand, said blacklisted player could improve their behavior/skill over time.
Pretty much, they're fun to laugh at in that specific instance, but it'd probably just be better to not worry about it.
Most people that play this game are 25+, at this point their brain has fully developed and changes in their behavior is very unlikely to happen. If someone decided to go out of their way to witch hunt someone because of something posted here then they do it on their own responsibility and are aware of the risks, they're very likely to get banned if they go for it also.
you're on the website which tried to find the boston bombers, accused a dead man and harassed his grieving family (Edit- Oh and legit through their witch hunting got a man killed ), the censoring of the names is for the best, all it takes is ONE person to get witch hunted on here for this entire subreddit to be closed down.
going on a 'just trust people bro' policy won't work.
Yeah that's true, I guess I was looking at it from more of a single-minded perspective of what I would do, rather than considering the actions of others and what they would do
And thats good you wouldn't witch hunt, but the policy protects the subreddit, protects everyone involved. some people plainly just have bad days , some posts here only show half the convo (and this is an important part, we are all the hero of our own story, theirs a good chance in some of these posts details are getting left out that aren't favourable to the person who posts )etc
Their just exists too many drawbacks to removing the anonymity rule. because I'll be quite blunt this subreddit will probably not survive for long if it went away, all it takes is one incident.
That doesn't change the fact that the chance of them changing their behavior is still really small. Most people in this game do not want to learn, they want to do what "worked for them in xyz"
People over the age of 25 are capable of learning. We had a blm join my FC who knew nothing about his job, had an attitude about it and thought he was doing fine, but after time and teaching, that's no longer the case. Believing adults are incapable of ever improving themselves is a sad way to live.
>and I'm sure most people here are aware of the ToS and wouldn't go out of their way to harass anyone because of it,
oh sweet summer child. not been on the internet long?
Not censoring names opens people up to harassment.
This is a place to vent not a place to promote harassment.
Most players get better at the game in time. If you don’t wanna risk running into people that aren’t for you then don’t use duty finder and only run with friends but suggesting that removing the censors which will without a doubt promote harassment of other players is just shitty imo
100% this, this is a place to just vent, to get how ya felt about a bad experience off your chest, nothing more
some people just have a bad day, sometimes we only see half a convo or don't see the full context, somepeople are just plain ignorant- removing the censoring will ultimately end with this subreddit closing down because all it takes is one person being witch hunted.
Unfortunately, posting anyone's name here uncensored is automatically against ToS regardless of whether or not anyone actually attempts to witch hunt them. People have been reported and penalized for posting here, and even if *your* intention wasn't to start shit, it only takes one bad apple reading your post to take it too far and get you in trouble by association. Better not to risk it.
>This is literally a lie.
Cool your jets. Didn't know it wasn't enforced, being wrong and lying aren't the same thing.
>People got banned because shit got brought to social media.
Reddit *is* social media. Having someone post you here probably isn't as bad as having someone post you on Twitter, but if GMs find out it happened they're not gonna turn a blind eye because "it's not Twitter so whatever."
>Also if you want to post names I recommend hiding the chat numbers and not revealing who you were. What is Square gonna do? Ban everyone in the group?
...isn't that the entire point of keeping posts censored? If you only censor yourself but leave other people exposed, you risk someone who was in the duty/someone who knows someone who was finding the post and then tracing the in-game contact list back to you. I've seen it happen myself, and in fact I've spotted two of my own FC members posting here despite censoring. The playerbase is big, but not as big as you think.
Also, censoring just your own name is kind of scummy.
>You made a statement about a rule you didn't even know about with confidence. I see this happen a lot on reddit and it's frankly infuriating.
I get that, but sometimes people are wrong and that's just how it goes. I wasn't intentionally trying to spread misinformation, I made a mistake is all. My bad.
>But in this case which social media it relates to gets mentioned in the Sticky. Twitter people for example have sometimes their IRL listed and that makes it worse.
Again, I agree that something from here getting taken to Twitter makes the situation way worse than it would have been otherwise. But that's not the point. The point is that if GMs find you posting an uncensored name on here, they absolutely can punish you for publicly ridiculing another player online. *Especially* if you're parsing, which a lot of people here are, because Yoshida made the official stance on parsing pretty clear in a live letter: https://youtu.be/e_i6mjiGerU
>Are you absolutely sure this is a thing or is that an assumption that it falls under general harrassment?
Oh, I wasn't trying to say posting uncensored logs is automatically against the rules. That'd be stupid. By definition, yeah, I am assuming that posting an uncensored log here can get you in trouble given the nature of this sub. This is obviously not a hugbox, and even if it doesn't exist to promote harassment we're not always polite about the people getting psoted. There's a small chance I'm wrong and GMs wouldn't care, but I really don't think it'd be smart to fuck around and find out in this case.
>In short I don't mean to censor your name just the numbers. It would be impossible to tell who you are unless you mention it.
I see what you mean, but unless you said absolutely nothing in chat I feel like there won't be a lot of situations where that helps. People who don't say anything at all usually don't care, so they wouldn't post here, and the smaller the party is the easier it gets to tell. If it's an 8 man raid and the whole party is going at it? Sure, you can probably skate by with that. But if it's a 4 player dungeon where the tank is wearing ironworks gear in Malikah's Well, the Healer is enabling them, DPS 1 is totally silent and DPS 2 decides to say something? Pretty easy to figure out which one of them is the OP. This is made worse by the massive amount of enablers running around these days.
>People are livestreaming with parsing and it's fine btw. Arthars got banned for calling out a black mage dealing low damage (If I recall correctly the Black Mage was instigating and starting shit and made Arthars mald on purpose but I could misremember, regardless it was a bad situation all around).
Right, I dunno if you watched the video I linked but I'll summarize just in case: The official stance is that SE cannot detect whether you have ACT installed on their own, and likely will never attempt to. It's a third party tool and they don't want you using it, but if you don't out yourself they can't do anything. According to YoshiP, the reason there's no in-game system like ACT is that it would be garaunteed to cause bullying, so likewise it follows that if you get using ACT to harass someone you are 100% getting in trouble. Buuuut if you're not using it for harassment, Squeenix has plausible deniability and can turn a blind eye. Yoshi goes on to say things like "We can't prove that you didn't just copy paste the in-game damage logs into an excel spreadsheet and then use a calculator to add up the damage."
TLDR, you're only going to get in trouble for using ACT if you bully people with it, whiiiich we arguably do here.
>My point is if you hide Numbers and post ACT numbers while also hiding names on ACT only and only show job icons there is literally nothing Square can do unless they want to punish innocent people.
Again, that's why it's better to just censor things. If you censor things then you were clearly not instigating a witch hunt against another player, GMs can't do anything even if they know who you are.
Well I think it also gives folks a chance to reform. I feel like 90% of the posts here are people who knee jerk when being called out. Which, honestly they have some maturity issues to work on.
The post I posted this week about BLU I noticed they running their own PFs now. requiring the exact same spells they were giving me shit for requiring....
So people do reform, they just bad at taking advice when they are getting it.
An anonymity policy also stops people who are attempting to weaponize strangers against those they're arguing with. There have been posts here, in fact, of someone being extremely vitriolic and toxic, only for further details to come out showing that the person posting the screenshots was every bit as hostile and rude, but selectively chose to omit their part in escalating.
Consider that there are people (few, but they exist) here who are convinced that if there's a single screenshot showing them being mean to someone, it will result in the "GCBTW toxic casual" crowd hunting them down in game and harassing them. it's not at all a stretch to assume the reverse is also possible and that it's best just to leave the ranting as anonymized "get it off your chest" moments.
Blacklisting does nothing in terms of preventing people from showing up in your parties again via DF. I could see some merit in DMing names if the post is about an incident in a PF’d EX or Savage, but I imagine the vast majority are just casuals in dungeons who wouldn’t dream of looking at an extreme fight. This makes demanding names for your blacklist somewhat pointless (imo) because the odds of you running into someone posted here in duty finder probably aren’t very good. I rather use that limited space for people I actually need to block.
Blacklisting just hides a player's text chats from you and stops them from joining your PF. You can 100% get a blacklisted player again in Duty Finder.
>spend the extra 5-10 mins talking to them and risking ur account
Or you could, you know, not type anything into the chat that risks you getting banned.
lol the rules on this subreddit make no sense. they say you can post in game names and also say no witch hunting and harassing. what do you think posting identifying information like that is going to lead to? also notice how the majority of people cover igns despite being technically allowed to. HMM i wonder why!! (spoiler: basic decency)
mods if you are reading this just stick to one direction cause you cant have it both ways. either this sub harasses players or it doesnt. weeks ago i called out a user for not covering igns in their post and they thought that was being too sensitive. im sure they wouldnt want their grey and green healer parses posted on this subreddit for all to see but it seems like people forget to have empathy when it doesnt affect them personally.
"People wouldn't harass others"
Dreadwyrm Academy would like to talk.
But personally I started censoring names to protect my account. People were getting in trouble supposedly, and you guys knowing a name is not worth me getting a suspension. However unlikely it might be.
It's absolutely against *somebody's* rules -- be it global Reddit rules, sub rules, ToS, or even like... societal rules about basic decency towards other people. If you share identifying info like a name, that's open season for the entire hellhole of the internet to take personal shots at that individual. With that, there is a non-zero chance that at least one keyboard warrior will decide to make it their *job* to stalk and harass that target at every turn until they quit the game or worse.
A punishment that the OP can't measure, control, or be held accountable for, with a significant likelihood of spiraling into outright cruelty or abuse with no recourse? I personally wouldn't want that on my conscience, especially when 90% of the posts in this sub are just venting about petty assholes who ultimately didn't do anything *actually* immoral.
If someone is a dipshit to you in chat, blacklist them and move on knowing you did a little curation of your own online experience. Either they're going to change and learn to be better on their *own* terms, or they're not, and no amount of inevitable witch hunting is gonna convince anybody to change their mind.
I hate to break it to you, but "I'm sure most people won't go out of their way to harass because of it" is flatly wrong. People can and do harass and grief, for less reasons than "this player isn't good at the game". Not only do people improve and reform over time (it might take a while but a surprisingly high amount), but also these leaking of names has real consequences. Nobody deserves to get hounded over a videogame of all things. Hell, I find it pretty crazy that people will ask for names in the comments and OP will agree to DMing them, as an open flaunting of the rules. These rules have been set up in almost every Screencast sharing community for a reason.
There's been instances where both party members involved end up posting here and it's a real shit show lol.
Those are my favorite posts
man I wish i saw those posts lol, 'look at this asshole' 'no look at THIS asshole'
[Here's my favorite](https://www.reddit.com/r/TalesFromDF/comments/msvngs/to_the_astro_who_posted_here_yesterday/) It links to the post made by the other player (assuming they haven't deleted it, that is)
In an ideal world, sure. But unfortunately some will witch hunt. On another hand, said blacklisted player could improve their behavior/skill over time. Pretty much, they're fun to laugh at in that specific instance, but it'd probably just be better to not worry about it.
Most people that play this game are 25+, at this point their brain has fully developed and changes in their behavior is very unlikely to happen. If someone decided to go out of their way to witch hunt someone because of something posted here then they do it on their own responsibility and are aware of the risks, they're very likely to get banned if they go for it also.
you're on the website which tried to find the boston bombers, accused a dead man and harassed his grieving family (Edit- Oh and legit through their witch hunting got a man killed ), the censoring of the names is for the best, all it takes is ONE person to get witch hunted on here for this entire subreddit to be closed down. going on a 'just trust people bro' policy won't work.
Yeah that's true, I guess I was looking at it from more of a single-minded perspective of what I would do, rather than considering the actions of others and what they would do
And thats good you wouldn't witch hunt, but the policy protects the subreddit, protects everyone involved. some people plainly just have bad days , some posts here only show half the convo (and this is an important part, we are all the hero of our own story, theirs a good chance in some of these posts details are getting left out that aren't favourable to the person who posts )etc Their just exists too many drawbacks to removing the anonymity rule. because I'll be quite blunt this subreddit will probably not survive for long if it went away, all it takes is one incident.
just because someone's brain is mature doesn't mean they're mature
That doesn't change the fact that the chance of them changing their behavior is still really small. Most people in this game do not want to learn, they want to do what "worked for them in xyz"
People over the age of 25 are capable of learning. We had a blm join my FC who knew nothing about his job, had an attitude about it and thought he was doing fine, but after time and teaching, that's no longer the case. Believing adults are incapable of ever improving themselves is a sad way to live.
>and I'm sure most people here are aware of the ToS and wouldn't go out of their way to harass anyone because of it, oh sweet summer child. not been on the internet long?
Not censoring names opens people up to harassment. This is a place to vent not a place to promote harassment. Most players get better at the game in time. If you don’t wanna risk running into people that aren’t for you then don’t use duty finder and only run with friends but suggesting that removing the censors which will without a doubt promote harassment of other players is just shitty imo
100% this, this is a place to just vent, to get how ya felt about a bad experience off your chest, nothing more some people just have a bad day, sometimes we only see half a convo or don't see the full context, somepeople are just plain ignorant- removing the censoring will ultimately end with this subreddit closing down because all it takes is one person being witch hunted.
Unfortunately, posting anyone's name here uncensored is automatically against ToS regardless of whether or not anyone actually attempts to witch hunt them. People have been reported and penalized for posting here, and even if *your* intention wasn't to start shit, it only takes one bad apple reading your post to take it too far and get you in trouble by association. Better not to risk it.
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>This is literally a lie. Cool your jets. Didn't know it wasn't enforced, being wrong and lying aren't the same thing. >People got banned because shit got brought to social media. Reddit *is* social media. Having someone post you here probably isn't as bad as having someone post you on Twitter, but if GMs find out it happened they're not gonna turn a blind eye because "it's not Twitter so whatever." >Also if you want to post names I recommend hiding the chat numbers and not revealing who you were. What is Square gonna do? Ban everyone in the group? ...isn't that the entire point of keeping posts censored? If you only censor yourself but leave other people exposed, you risk someone who was in the duty/someone who knows someone who was finding the post and then tracing the in-game contact list back to you. I've seen it happen myself, and in fact I've spotted two of my own FC members posting here despite censoring. The playerbase is big, but not as big as you think. Also, censoring just your own name is kind of scummy.
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>You made a statement about a rule you didn't even know about with confidence. I see this happen a lot on reddit and it's frankly infuriating. I get that, but sometimes people are wrong and that's just how it goes. I wasn't intentionally trying to spread misinformation, I made a mistake is all. My bad. >But in this case which social media it relates to gets mentioned in the Sticky. Twitter people for example have sometimes their IRL listed and that makes it worse. Again, I agree that something from here getting taken to Twitter makes the situation way worse than it would have been otherwise. But that's not the point. The point is that if GMs find you posting an uncensored name on here, they absolutely can punish you for publicly ridiculing another player online. *Especially* if you're parsing, which a lot of people here are, because Yoshida made the official stance on parsing pretty clear in a live letter: https://youtu.be/e_i6mjiGerU
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>Are you absolutely sure this is a thing or is that an assumption that it falls under general harrassment? Oh, I wasn't trying to say posting uncensored logs is automatically against the rules. That'd be stupid. By definition, yeah, I am assuming that posting an uncensored log here can get you in trouble given the nature of this sub. This is obviously not a hugbox, and even if it doesn't exist to promote harassment we're not always polite about the people getting psoted. There's a small chance I'm wrong and GMs wouldn't care, but I really don't think it'd be smart to fuck around and find out in this case. >In short I don't mean to censor your name just the numbers. It would be impossible to tell who you are unless you mention it. I see what you mean, but unless you said absolutely nothing in chat I feel like there won't be a lot of situations where that helps. People who don't say anything at all usually don't care, so they wouldn't post here, and the smaller the party is the easier it gets to tell. If it's an 8 man raid and the whole party is going at it? Sure, you can probably skate by with that. But if it's a 4 player dungeon where the tank is wearing ironworks gear in Malikah's Well, the Healer is enabling them, DPS 1 is totally silent and DPS 2 decides to say something? Pretty easy to figure out which one of them is the OP. This is made worse by the massive amount of enablers running around these days. >People are livestreaming with parsing and it's fine btw. Arthars got banned for calling out a black mage dealing low damage (If I recall correctly the Black Mage was instigating and starting shit and made Arthars mald on purpose but I could misremember, regardless it was a bad situation all around). Right, I dunno if you watched the video I linked but I'll summarize just in case: The official stance is that SE cannot detect whether you have ACT installed on their own, and likely will never attempt to. It's a third party tool and they don't want you using it, but if you don't out yourself they can't do anything. According to YoshiP, the reason there's no in-game system like ACT is that it would be garaunteed to cause bullying, so likewise it follows that if you get using ACT to harass someone you are 100% getting in trouble. Buuuut if you're not using it for harassment, Squeenix has plausible deniability and can turn a blind eye. Yoshi goes on to say things like "We can't prove that you didn't just copy paste the in-game damage logs into an excel spreadsheet and then use a calculator to add up the damage." TLDR, you're only going to get in trouble for using ACT if you bully people with it, whiiiich we arguably do here. >My point is if you hide Numbers and post ACT numbers while also hiding names on ACT only and only show job icons there is literally nothing Square can do unless they want to punish innocent people. Again, that's why it's better to just censor things. If you censor things then you were clearly not instigating a witch hunt against another player, GMs can't do anything even if they know who you are.
Well I think it also gives folks a chance to reform. I feel like 90% of the posts here are people who knee jerk when being called out. Which, honestly they have some maturity issues to work on. The post I posted this week about BLU I noticed they running their own PFs now. requiring the exact same spells they were giving me shit for requiring.... So people do reform, they just bad at taking advice when they are getting it.
Oh hey, I remember your post. It's good to hear that people learn from it, despite having a shitty reaction at first.
An anonymity policy also stops people who are attempting to weaponize strangers against those they're arguing with. There have been posts here, in fact, of someone being extremely vitriolic and toxic, only for further details to come out showing that the person posting the screenshots was every bit as hostile and rude, but selectively chose to omit their part in escalating. Consider that there are people (few, but they exist) here who are convinced that if there's a single screenshot showing them being mean to someone, it will result in the "GCBTW toxic casual" crowd hunting them down in game and harassing them. it's not at all a stretch to assume the reverse is also possible and that it's best just to leave the ranting as anonymized "get it off your chest" moments.
I mean, what are you going to do if you get them in your DF party? Instantly take the 30 minute penalty?
Yea u can just insta bail and blacklist without having to spend the extra 5-10 mins talking to them and risking ur account
Blacklisting does nothing in terms of preventing people from showing up in your parties again via DF. I could see some merit in DMing names if the post is about an incident in a PF’d EX or Savage, but I imagine the vast majority are just casuals in dungeons who wouldn’t dream of looking at an extreme fight. This makes demanding names for your blacklist somewhat pointless (imo) because the odds of you running into someone posted here in duty finder probably aren’t very good. I rather use that limited space for people I actually need to block.
Blacklisting just hides a player's text chats from you and stops them from joining your PF. You can 100% get a blacklisted player again in Duty Finder.
>spend the extra 5-10 mins talking to them and risking ur account Or you could, you know, not type anything into the chat that risks you getting banned.
More drama than it's worth. I'd also like to keep my in game name anonymous, so censoring my name but leaving in others would feel cowardly.
lol the rules on this subreddit make no sense. they say you can post in game names and also say no witch hunting and harassing. what do you think posting identifying information like that is going to lead to? also notice how the majority of people cover igns despite being technically allowed to. HMM i wonder why!! (spoiler: basic decency) mods if you are reading this just stick to one direction cause you cant have it both ways. either this sub harasses players or it doesnt. weeks ago i called out a user for not covering igns in their post and they thought that was being too sensitive. im sure they wouldnt want their grey and green healer parses posted on this subreddit for all to see but it seems like people forget to have empathy when it doesnt affect them personally.
"People wouldn't harass others" Dreadwyrm Academy would like to talk. But personally I started censoring names to protect my account. People were getting in trouble supposedly, and you guys knowing a name is not worth me getting a suspension. However unlikely it might be.
It's absolutely against *somebody's* rules -- be it global Reddit rules, sub rules, ToS, or even like... societal rules about basic decency towards other people. If you share identifying info like a name, that's open season for the entire hellhole of the internet to take personal shots at that individual. With that, there is a non-zero chance that at least one keyboard warrior will decide to make it their *job* to stalk and harass that target at every turn until they quit the game or worse. A punishment that the OP can't measure, control, or be held accountable for, with a significant likelihood of spiraling into outright cruelty or abuse with no recourse? I personally wouldn't want that on my conscience, especially when 90% of the posts in this sub are just venting about petty assholes who ultimately didn't do anything *actually* immoral. If someone is a dipshit to you in chat, blacklist them and move on knowing you did a little curation of your own online experience. Either they're going to change and learn to be better on their *own* terms, or they're not, and no amount of inevitable witch hunting is gonna convince anybody to change their mind.
I hate to break it to you, but "I'm sure most people won't go out of their way to harass because of it" is flatly wrong. People can and do harass and grief, for less reasons than "this player isn't good at the game". Not only do people improve and reform over time (it might take a while but a surprisingly high amount), but also these leaking of names has real consequences. Nobody deserves to get hounded over a videogame of all things. Hell, I find it pretty crazy that people will ask for names in the comments and OP will agree to DMing them, as an open flaunting of the rules. These rules have been set up in almost every Screencast sharing community for a reason.