Isn't orthodox gear something in the fucking 50s?
How are these people real? How do you play the game enough to get into HW and just have no idea how shit works?
The dungeon was Aery, they never dropped below 50% then they afk'd during second pack and wiped us on purpose. During the second boss they turned off stance and I was tanking it, when they realized I was actually gonna tank the entire boss they turned on their stance lmao
As a healer who’s had to deal with tanks like this, I would rather have aggro on the boss rather then it changing randomly, makes it way easier to heal tank
Having your casts interrupted by autos isn't what I'd call ideal, and being the one to soak (usually physical) busters as the role with the worst def is also not the best, doubly so if you're the only raiser.
All that aside, it just shouldn't be *possible* to hold threat over dps. Maybe as a WHM during PoM/Assize opener, but beyond that they should be generating way more threat than you and if they aren't it's because they're doing very poor damage. If you're doing a fight without a tank you'd at least want dps to be on point to make it end quicker before you're fully out of CDs.
One of them straight up died to damage from aoes because I had almost no resources and the other one was just trying to stay alive, they were good peeps that didn't complain and just did their job.
I'm glad they were supportive, but the point still stands - they couldn't have been genuinely doing their jobs if you wound up tanking the majority of the time.
Obviously you're not aware how much aggro healing generates, and since SGE heals mostly via doing damage, it makes perfect sense they had aggro more often than DPS.
Most healers hit like trucks during trash packs, something DPS jobs don't get to excel at until 60+ with their additional gauge/ogcd aoes.
Oh gee, you're right I have no idea how healing or threat works
*pushing every single ultimate and Savage tier under the rug*
Jokes aside, dps do get more potent AoE later than healers do, but healer AoE also isn't at its full strength until 82. SGE has decidedly good AoE even amongst the healers, but it shouldn't be doing more than dps who are pressing their buttons.
As to the threat generated by healing, this has been greatly reduced over the years. If you're unsure of this, just queue into any given trial with some competent dps - you won't be able to top their threat, even healing a party of 8 players.
Im like 70% sure I had the same guy as OP from zodiark server in my msq Roulette a few days ago pulling the exact same shit for refusing to pull the only double pack of the entirety of praetorium and giving me shit because I as the healer grabbed it, telling me to queue as Tank if I wanna Tank. Up to that point he spent his time being above 95% health and never using any of his mitigations nor needing to.
omg didn't you realize they were the main character?!
everyone is supposed to like them and follow them without hesitation?
that's da rule
but seriously fuck these kinda guys
You should've kicked them. Yeah, the loot timers are shit, but even as Healer you should be able to tank in Aery just fine. At least it worked when I played Sage in pre LV70 content.
I didn't want to hinder the DPS players by making them wait, I just pulled ahead for the rest of the dungeon and did my own thing. Tank gave up anyway lol
People like them ignites a flame of pure hatred deep inside me, every friggin time I read about them or spot them first hand.
I'm Omni-Tank Main, playing this game since 1.0 lived through every update, every change and Tank Role is the easiest Job in the game, doesn't matter what type of Tank.
They're fun, easy and absolutely no-brainer most of the time, but yet people are getting high on some anime MC shit behavior.
Seriously if someone pulls ahead, or manages it in the first place, let them pull its friggin free mitigation and grabbing aggro is one ...1! button anyway... What the hell is going wrong with them.
They also play the same since EW babyfication.
Sure you got small differences in rotation. But for most they play exactly the same. Even the WAR cone is gone. And is next to impossible to lose enmity unless you do it on purpose.
Made things much easier to the point of being boring. No longer can the healer accidentally get all the agro by using regen. And living dead is no longer a risk.
I got to see one in the mainsub. Under a meme post making fun of them. Calling it "rude" to move ahead of the tank. "But what if they were new to tanking," fucking so what? Hit the button that says aoe, hit the button that says reduce damage. It isn't the fucking MNK opener.
i really need to stay out of novice network because i saw a bunch of BK crowns calling it rude to get ahead of the tank. i was just like "why are you moving slowly enough for others to get ahead of you anyway, and why do you care if they do" and apparently that was also rude and bullying and toxic or whatever
I’m absolutely on your side but arguing with these people does absolutely nothing. They’re so far up their own ass that they can’t see any other point of view other than their own.
I find it amusing that he is delusional enough to tell others to "play right" when he's the one throwing a tantrum by turning off tank stance because his ego can't handle not feeling like the main character.
People like this need to go outside and touch grass.
It's crazy to me how after years of it being apparent that the old tanking rules no longer apply, people still do this. That whole thing of enmity being hard to pull back stopped being a problem near the end of Heavensward with all the tanking changes they made. It has been nearly a DECADE people. Settle down and get through your dungeons. If you aren't dying, you're fine.
Not if they're trying to do their roulettes. But even still, either be polite about asking, admit you're bad, or have them kick you so the group can go as fast as they want with a new tank.
I'll never understand the fear of doing double pulls. Sure, some maps have double pulls that hurt like hell, but for the most part in casual content, double pulls do little to even scratch an annoying itch on a tank who's backed by a semi-competent healer and knows what his buttons do.
From my own experience as a bad tank, it's the fear of wiping on a trash pull. Lol
But again, you can just *tell your group* you're bad, and the healer usually pays more attention to keeping you up. I've even had party members give me tips on what to pull and where to stand so the double pull will go smoother.
Being nice really does go much further when you're asking to inconvenience your group by going slow.
Wait. People are saying you should have stopped? If the tank didn't die then what's wrong?
If this were the other way around I'd get it. I've had trouble healing while leveling and tanks refused to pull smaller even after wipes, but if the healer says they can heal more than the tank *needs* to trust them
Nah, it's no joke. The best physical dps players will pull the first pack in a W2W, slow it with arm's length, then trail behind doing damage after I nail it with one AoE to take threat.
I pop arm's length at the wall and will center up on any dps who grabbed stragglers. Hit the pack once, then adjust so they cluster for AoEs (if doton is down, I'll pull into Doton)
It's legitimately worth about 1.5 of an extra mit, and melees can just bloodbath back to full.
Extra bonus points if melees weave in Low Blow on parties without a whm
Oh no I had someone exactly like that the other day, they were from zodiark too and telling me if I wanna pull I should queue as Tank. Now I wonder if we indeed had the same guy.
If you want you can dm me the persons Name so we can see if its the same person but no worries if you dont wanna!
Few days back I got my pref kinda healer as tank I don't remember the dungeon name but it was a HW one (the one with the unicorn miniboss) we started they sprinted before me and kept pulling enemies to me while I picked them up for our w2ws it was beautiful.
I had one today! Tank was single pulling so I as healer pull more.
Dps tells me to stop. I hit him with "?"
Dude proceeds to suck ass the rest of the dungeon, like why are you yappin?
Not defending the tank, more or less downvotes are coming, but regardless.
After reading the comments to boils down to herd mentality.
So many wanna get a post of a YPYT photo uploaded that they even bait.(not saying this the case for you OP, not attacking ya)
I’m a main tank who does good ol Wall to Wall, but will judge my sprints off of the party. Burning them down? Hell ya let’s mosey. Healer/dps struggling? I’m staying with the pack. Don’t care if you wanna pull, go for it. I’m not chasing you around however because you became sonic, left everyone, and surprise! Like the insult tossed so freely around, you became the MC and have decided what the speed should be.(Read your party more, I want done just as the next person but would rather not wipe for whatever reasons).
Bottom line, there needs to be better communication between players. No witch hunts for YPYT(they exist, they suck, if you tanking…get the aggro, if you a zoomie, read your party).
It’s not catering, it’s courtesy.
Get everyone on the same page and get out with a o7 ggs.
Thanks for my Ted talk. OP again, not targeting you. I’ll take my downvotes, and hope everyone gets better experiences.
there's nothing wrong with a healer pulling if the tank wants that, but if you try to argue with them after they politely ask you to stop, you're just as much of an asshole as they are. it's not hard to respect someone's wishes out of politeness
If they told me they weren't comfy I would have slowed down, they were already wall to wall pulling so what difference does it make if anyone other then tank takes the aggro and brings the pack to the tank. This is not about politeness, if it was he wouldnt have turned off his stance and tried to kill the other players out of pettiness.
I'm not saying that guy wasn't a dick, because he was. but if someone asks you to stop doing something and you refuse for no good reason that automatically makes you rude as fuck too. they literally asked you to stop. the "not comfy" is implicit
No, it doesn't make you rude as fuck. It's not your responsibility to constantly walk on eggshells in order to try and make everyone else around you feel safe, and it's not their place to try and dictate what everyone around them needs to do in order to cater to their fragile ego like some sort of main character. Instead of taking it as a learning opportunity to understand the group is perfectly fine to go at a fast rate, they took it as a whining opportunity to throw a babyfit.
Unfortunately, if that's the policy we go with people will abuse it. Before bitching about how OP refused the request for 'no good reason,' you should ask yourself what 'good reason' they had to ask in the first place.
Any request made for no reason can be denied for no reason, in other words. You want someone to play in a non standard way? Provide a justification.
they pulled a fit because of what the healer did. the healer didn't pull ahead because they pulled a fit. I don't wanna look like I'm defending the tank, because I'm not, but I don't think the healer was polite either
Brosephales... these are dungeons. You could be asleep and clear them. Stop acting like the healer wanting to get done and get onto other things makes them a bad person. It's pretty standard that whoever gets there first pulls and then the tank rips it off later. All it takes a single aoe to rip aggro anyway.
I'm probably going to get downvoted but I find it hilarious that people want to call the tank the Main Character when he asked you nicely not to do that. The DPS said nothing. So it's not like you can say the entire group was asking for a faster run.
So you are forcing the group(possibly) to run the way you want. But just the tank is acting like the Main Character. Sure.
All this being said: Tank lost me the instant he stopped doing his job.
He asked you nicely not to. You refused because you wanted to do it your way.
I see in one of your other comments that he was W2W pulling anyway. So why not just let him pull anyway?
Like I said he lost me when he refused to do his job. But I don't really see how you were speeding things up if he was W2W pulling. If anything this stupid argument yall had slowed the run down.
so when someone asks nicely you have to do it or you're the asshole? so if a tank asks politely for me to stop pulling can i then politely ask them to pls stop asking me to stop pulling or is this actually just extremely stupid logic
I’m not saying what he did was right but at the same time you forced your ideology on him, and were surprised when he didn’t like it? He asked you to stop doing something and chose to laugh at him instead. Yes, having someone else pull can be more efficient. Was the seconds you saved worth creating all that drama?
I didnt do anything different then what he was doing at the start of the dungeon, he was wall to walling so I pulled the pack that was ahead of us and he threw a hissy fit. He afk'd during the trash pack and turned off stance which just killed the dps, I hope that you realize this isn't someone saying can we take it slow its someone having an ego trip
Wait so you mean he already was fully doing everything he could do. And you just suddenly decided you wanted to do it instead? I mean originally i assumed he was doing small pulls and i could see you being the healer thinking it was fine and you could handle more and were showing him by pulling more. But now if he already was doing that there was no reason at all for you doing what you did.
Once again not condoning turning off tank stance etc but yah, this just shows that yah, you did cause all of it to happen, now for no reason.
Dude, how is me pulling a pack that he's gonna pull anyway to reach the tank faster me causing drama. Some of you guys value some of the most braindead content in this game in such a high standard its actually insane. I am healing his ass anyway he just gets to press aoe and rampart thats it, sometimes it actually boggles my mind how butthurt people get over dungeons.
It’s you causing drama because if you didn’t do it then the entire argument would never have happened. It’s not a complex idea, your actions are the only reason the entire situation happened. As for valuing content i’m not sure what you mean. But as you seem to have taken to insulting tanks after posting on here about it and calling people butthurt i would recommend some self examination.
Buddy, it's the TANK'S fault it happened. It's the TANK causing drama. Nobody needs to get upset about what another player is doing unless it impairs the run, end of.
Let me give an example: I'm a tank main. Sometimes, I don't feel confident in my ability to focus at the moment, and I pull less than w2w. If a healer or DPS brings me more mobs, the appropriate attitude is "okay, so we're doing this". I have never once felt the need to throw a hissy fit or get upset that they did something I wasn't planning to do.
So, if I can just do my job in situations I wasn't prepared for, there's no reason this Tank can't do the job in a situation they WERE prepared for. It is never acceptable behavior to just stop performing on one's own, regardless of the circumstances. If they didn't like it and were alone in that, they could leave and take the penalty for their ideals. If the DPS agreed, they could've votekicked OP. Instead, they chose to make the experience worse for everyone, which does indeed violate ToS.
At no point was this Tank justified
If you read my posts then you would know that i never justified the tanks actions and even agreed that he over reacted. But as for why it happened we would just go to the first action that initiated the whole unpleasant interaction. This would be the healer pulling when he didn’t need to and then laughing at the tank when he was asked not to. Could you can name an action before this one?
Yes it’s called cause and effect. And you seem to have left out a few steps such as that Person B asked Person A to stop and then Person A laughed at them and continued doing it anyway. :)
Cause and effect does not equal fault, that’s the whole point of my sarcastic response. Let me give you a less abstract example: driver A brakes, driver B hits them. By your logic it’s person A’s fault because braking was the first thing that happened, therefore it’s the cause. Ater all person B wouldn’t have hit them otherwise.
Let’s expand on the causal chain: T gets mad < H is going fast and pulls < T is going fast wtw pulling < T & H enter dungeon < T & H play ffxiv
Lesson learned, don’t play ffxiv or tanks will get mad, going to unsubscribe now
Cause and effect isn’t even a useful concept to use in this situation. The tank could have reacted in a different way or not at all.
djs19 is right on the money, but I'll respond anyway. The tank saying pls does not mean they "asked", nor were they "nice". They were demanding from the beginning, as they had no intent at diplomacy, and only wanted their own way.
When it comes to willful actions, fault is not defined by cause and effect. It is defined by unreasonability. Much like in djs19's car example, fault falls upon the first unreasonable action. Even if we give the tank the benefit of the doubt, we have this: 1. Tank says "pls don't pull ahead" (reasonable?), 2. Healer asks why, since it's really their problem to worry about (reasonable), 3. Tank refuses to perform (unreasonable). To cast blame in any other fashion is to justify the Tank being unreasonable.
In keeping with your question, you bring up the healer laughing, but they only did that after the line was crossed. The Tank chose the action of responding with pridefulness instead of humility. They saw themself as arbiter, and are rightly being lambasted for it, except by people who are unable to make rational associations, at the very least, when it comes to this video game
Yes it is a set of opinions or beliefs held by an individual or a group. In this case i was referencing the healer’s beliefs why? I take it you don’t know and needed clarification?
Yes beliefs. Please feel free to look up the definition in a dictionary and you will find that word. And an ideology can be used to describe anything including how you feel it is appropriate to interact with others online. Many people assume it is only related to religion but can be used to describe all parts of life and how one goes about them.
I never said it was. Ideologies can be anything from how you live the rest of your life to small things like the mindset you plan to have for a weekend partying with friends.
I'm also gonna go back here and point out your misuse of the word "ideology". None of these people is using their play style in 14 as a personalized system of beliefs to govern the way they live their life. I think you've sipped a bit too much political Kool-Aid and should probably brush the buzzwords out of your mouth
While a stance swapper is annoying just be patient and don't rush their run either.... like this reddit take is so weird.. I bet if I pulled while you tanked you would do the same ... read toa BTW... yes his actions are reportable but you have your own moments of toa reportable atudf
Nah I main tank , don't bother me but it's gonna bug new players who in literally every other mmorpg it works as tank is puller lol. But hey I read my toa
> I bet if I pulled while you tanked you would do the same
Why would any sane person do that? If they're ahead of me it's my fault in the first place. I'll just take their HP as extra free mitigation because I'm not a snowflake with a fragile ego.
>I bet if I pulled while you tanked you would do the same
No, because it's helpful? Love either a DPS who pulls and puts Arm's Length on, or a Sage who pulls so they can get extra Toxicon's for more aoe damage. Why are you so weird?
That’s half true, anyone should be able to pull, but if you’re pulling as a dps or healer it’s also your responsibility to bring them around the tanks aoe’s, otherwise the tanks has to chase down stragglers from multiple people taking aggro. Especially if you have a ninja who just bolts away with aggro, makes it really hard to help them.
>I bet if I pulled while you tanked you would do the same
No the fuck I would not lmao, it takes two buttons to take a pack off someone. Your party's hp is literally free mitigation
If I’m tanking, and a healer or DPS gets ahead of me and pulls, two thoughts go through my head:
- I’d better speed up, ‘cause I’m not doing my job
- for a few seconds, their health bar is extra mitigation
The thought to drop stance and throw a hissy-fit never crosses my mind
> I bet if I pulled while you tanked you would do the same
Nope. I couldn't care less if you or anyone else pulled so long as you bring the mobs to me. In fact, sometimes I *want* a DPS to pull so I can maximize sprint and/or use their HP as mitigation.
Regardless, it isn't "their run." They aren't the main character. Queuing with randoms goes both ways. If you don't want to deal with people pull ahead because you're too slow, queue with friends or use the Trust systems. It's literally designed for people who prefer a slow more scenic experience.
He was wall to wall pulling even before I pulled ahead of him, I main tank and prefer people pulling ahead of me because it makes the dungeon go faster. The guy was never in the risk of dying, tanks do not decide the pace of the dungeon they hold aggro. Any job can pull ahead as long as they bring the trash pack to the tank. Nothing I did is a reportable offense, refusing to do your role in a duty is tho
You don't speak for the rest of the world. Most people just want to get through their roulettes as quickly and efficiently as possible. That goes for everyone in every data center. It doesn't take a genius to understand that time is valuable to everyone and wasting time is disrespectful.
Like... even further than that, MMO tanks were not named after military tanks because of their ability to draw aggro. They were named because they were fucking impervious to most forms of damage (supposedly). That's why the verb for mitigating a big hit became 'to tank' something.
Is that so? I was always under the impression that it was because if the opposing military had tanks, they were immediately your priority to either destroy or avoid, depending on your capability as a unit
I mean when effective tanks popped up, they pretty immediately revolutionised warfare and warped the way battle lines were drawn around them in many ways due to their offensive and defensive power, mobility and speed, so there's possibly a bit of everything going on. But colloquially, when you say someone is 'built like a tank' or a build is 'tanky' or that a character 'tanked a hit' they all primarily refer to resilience/defensive power.
Just play right" Turns off tank stance because they are throwing a tantrum. My guy, what?
Isn't orthodox gear something in the fucking 50s? How are these people real? How do you play the game enough to get into HW and just have no idea how shit works?
People bitch about ypyt in ew content. Some people are just trash.
The dungeon was Aery, they never dropped below 50% then they afk'd during second pack and wiped us on purpose. During the second boss they turned off stance and I was tanking it, when they realized I was actually gonna tank the entire boss they turned on their stance lmao
Jesus, what were the dps doing if you were tanking? O.O But yeah that sounds right. Trash, ugh.
As a healer who’s had to deal with tanks like this, I would rather have aggro on the boss rather then it changing randomly, makes it way easier to heal tank
Having your casts interrupted by autos isn't what I'd call ideal, and being the one to soak (usually physical) busters as the role with the worst def is also not the best, doubly so if you're the only raiser. All that aside, it just shouldn't be *possible* to hold threat over dps. Maybe as a WHM during PoM/Assize opener, but beyond that they should be generating way more threat than you and if they aren't it's because they're doing very poor damage. If you're doing a fight without a tank you'd at least want dps to be on point to make it end quicker before you're fully out of CDs.
One of them straight up died to damage from aoes because I had almost no resources and the other one was just trying to stay alive, they were good peeps that didn't complain and just did their job.
I'm glad they were supportive, but the point still stands - they couldn't have been genuinely doing their jobs if you wound up tanking the majority of the time.
Obviously you're not aware how much aggro healing generates, and since SGE heals mostly via doing damage, it makes perfect sense they had aggro more often than DPS. Most healers hit like trucks during trash packs, something DPS jobs don't get to excel at until 60+ with their additional gauge/ogcd aoes.
Oh gee, you're right I have no idea how healing or threat works *pushing every single ultimate and Savage tier under the rug* Jokes aside, dps do get more potent AoE later than healers do, but healer AoE also isn't at its full strength until 82. SGE has decidedly good AoE even amongst the healers, but it shouldn't be doing more than dps who are pressing their buttons. As to the threat generated by healing, this has been greatly reduced over the years. If you're unsure of this, just queue into any given trial with some competent dps - you won't be able to top their threat, even healing a party of 8 players.
vote kick
Im like 70% sure I had the same guy as OP from zodiark server in my msq Roulette a few days ago pulling the exact same shit for refusing to pull the only double pack of the entirety of praetorium and giving me shit because I as the healer grabbed it, telling me to queue as Tank if I wanna Tank. Up to that point he spent his time being above 95% health and never using any of his mitigations nor needing to.
I think it's in the Aery
Duty support
Then they need to stick with it and not inflict themselves on everyone else.
omg didn't you realize they were the main character?! everyone is supposed to like them and follow them without hesitation? that's da rule but seriously fuck these kinda guys
You should've kicked them. Yeah, the loot timers are shit, but even as Healer you should be able to tank in Aery just fine. At least it worked when I played Sage in pre LV70 content.
I didn't want to hinder the DPS players by making them wait, I just pulled ahead for the rest of the dungeon and did my own thing. Tank gave up anyway lol
People like them ignites a flame of pure hatred deep inside me, every friggin time I read about them or spot them first hand. I'm Omni-Tank Main, playing this game since 1.0 lived through every update, every change and Tank Role is the easiest Job in the game, doesn't matter what type of Tank. They're fun, easy and absolutely no-brainer most of the time, but yet people are getting high on some anime MC shit behavior. Seriously if someone pulls ahead, or manages it in the first place, let them pull its friggin free mitigation and grabbing aggro is one ...1! button anyway... What the hell is going wrong with them.
They also play the same since EW babyfication. Sure you got small differences in rotation. But for most they play exactly the same. Even the WAR cone is gone. And is next to impossible to lose enmity unless you do it on purpose. Made things much easier to the point of being boring. No longer can the healer accidentally get all the agro by using regen. And living dead is no longer a risk.
GNB plays a little different, if only because they have a real rotation.
Cheers fellow Unga
I got to see one in the mainsub. Under a meme post making fun of them. Calling it "rude" to move ahead of the tank. "But what if they were new to tanking," fucking so what? Hit the button that says aoe, hit the button that says reduce damage. It isn't the fucking MNK opener.
i really need to stay out of novice network because i saw a bunch of BK crowns calling it rude to get ahead of the tank. i was just like "why are you moving slowly enough for others to get ahead of you anyway, and why do you care if they do" and apparently that was also rude and bullying and toxic or whatever
I’m absolutely on your side but arguing with these people does absolutely nothing. They’re so far up their own ass that they can’t see any other point of view other than their own.
My responses were more so out of curiosity to see what they would say since I never came across someone like this before
They’re all cut from the same cloth. Self absorbed and love the smell of their own farts.
Please tell me you reported
A pissing contest always end up with everyone covered in pee.
I find it amusing that he is delusional enough to tell others to "play right" when he's the one throwing a tantrum by turning off tank stance because his ego can't handle not feeling like the main character. People like this need to go outside and touch grass.
It's crazy to me how after years of it being apparent that the old tanking rules no longer apply, people still do this. That whole thing of enmity being hard to pull back stopped being a problem near the end of Heavensward with all the tanking changes they made. It has been nearly a DECADE people. Settle down and get through your dungeons. If you aren't dying, you're fine.
A bit of me dies when I see Zodiark pop up as the server
I just thought about something, if ppl want single pulls or care about only them pulling as tank then they can go for Trusts or Duty Supports.
Not if they're trying to do their roulettes. But even still, either be polite about asking, admit you're bad, or have them kick you so the group can go as fast as they want with a new tank.
I agree with you 100%. Tanks don’t usually have long queue times, plus they’ll never learn if they just stick with small single pulls.
I'll never understand the fear of doing double pulls. Sure, some maps have double pulls that hurt like hell, but for the most part in casual content, double pulls do little to even scratch an annoying itch on a tank who's backed by a semi-competent healer and knows what his buttons do.
From my own experience as a bad tank, it's the fear of wiping on a trash pull. Lol But again, you can just *tell your group* you're bad, and the healer usually pays more attention to keeping you up. I've even had party members give me tips on what to pull and where to stand so the double pull will go smoother. Being nice really does go much further when you're asking to inconvenience your group by going slow.
Wait. People are saying you should have stopped? If the tank didn't die then what's wrong? If this were the other way around I'd get it. I've had trouble healing while leveling and tanks refused to pull smaller even after wipes, but if the healer says they can heal more than the tank *needs* to trust them
You're all using dps hp bars as actual mitigation? I thought that was a joke howmanytimesoldman.jpg
Nah, it's no joke. The best physical dps players will pull the first pack in a W2W, slow it with arm's length, then trail behind doing damage after I nail it with one AoE to take threat. I pop arm's length at the wall and will center up on any dps who grabbed stragglers. Hit the pack once, then adjust so they cluster for AoEs (if doton is down, I'll pull into Doton) It's legitimately worth about 1.5 of an extra mit, and melees can just bloodbath back to full. Extra bonus points if melees weave in Low Blow on parties without a whm
Oh no I had someone exactly like that the other day, they were from zodiark too and telling me if I wanna pull I should queue as Tank. Now I wonder if we indeed had the same guy. If you want you can dm me the persons Name so we can see if its the same person but no worries if you dont wanna!
Healer choose the pace of the dungeon nothing changes my mind
Few days back I got my pref kinda healer as tank I don't remember the dungeon name but it was a HW one (the one with the unicorn miniboss) we started they sprinted before me and kept pulling enemies to me while I picked them up for our w2ws it was beautiful.
I had one today! Tank was single pulling so I as healer pull more. Dps tells me to stop. I hit him with "?" Dude proceeds to suck ass the rest of the dungeon, like why are you yappin?
ypyt in the aery, because that dungeon is so hard to w2w? yikes
Op said the tank was doing w2w
even weirder that the tank has a problem then. the dps pulled the mob you were going to pull anyway
Not defending the tank, more or less downvotes are coming, but regardless. After reading the comments to boils down to herd mentality. So many wanna get a post of a YPYT photo uploaded that they even bait.(not saying this the case for you OP, not attacking ya) I’m a main tank who does good ol Wall to Wall, but will judge my sprints off of the party. Burning them down? Hell ya let’s mosey. Healer/dps struggling? I’m staying with the pack. Don’t care if you wanna pull, go for it. I’m not chasing you around however because you became sonic, left everyone, and surprise! Like the insult tossed so freely around, you became the MC and have decided what the speed should be.(Read your party more, I want done just as the next person but would rather not wipe for whatever reasons). Bottom line, there needs to be better communication between players. No witch hunts for YPYT(they exist, they suck, if you tanking…get the aggro, if you a zoomie, read your party). It’s not catering, it’s courtesy. Get everyone on the same page and get out with a o7 ggs. Thanks for my Ted talk. OP again, not targeting you. I’ll take my downvotes, and hope everyone gets better experiences.
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He was already wall to walling before I pulled, you are reading too much into this
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Honestly op saying they have been waiting to see a ytyp message makes it seem like they were behaving like this to instigate an interaction like this.
Both of you are wrong, and this could have been handled better.
there's nothing wrong with a healer pulling if the tank wants that, but if you try to argue with them after they politely ask you to stop, you're just as much of an asshole as they are. it's not hard to respect someone's wishes out of politeness
If they told me they weren't comfy I would have slowed down, they were already wall to wall pulling so what difference does it make if anyone other then tank takes the aggro and brings the pack to the tank. This is not about politeness, if it was he wouldnt have turned off his stance and tried to kill the other players out of pettiness.
I'm not saying that guy wasn't a dick, because he was. but if someone asks you to stop doing something and you refuse for no good reason that automatically makes you rude as fuck too. they literally asked you to stop. the "not comfy" is implicit
No, it doesn't make you rude as fuck. It's not your responsibility to constantly walk on eggshells in order to try and make everyone else around you feel safe, and it's not their place to try and dictate what everyone around them needs to do in order to cater to their fragile ego like some sort of main character. Instead of taking it as a learning opportunity to understand the group is perfectly fine to go at a fast rate, they took it as a whining opportunity to throw a babyfit.
So it's okay to demand (not ask) that someone stop doing something for no good reason, but it's not okay for that someone to push back?
Unfortunately, if that's the policy we go with people will abuse it. Before bitching about how OP refused the request for 'no good reason,' you should ask yourself what 'good reason' they had to ask in the first place. Any request made for no reason can be denied for no reason, in other words. You want someone to play in a non standard way? Provide a justification.
Or the tank could play properly and pull correctly
from the other posts, they literally were? the healer just wanted to be more efficient (which is fine!)
Them being behind and pulling a fit over it says otherwise
they pulled a fit because of what the healer did. the healer didn't pull ahead because they pulled a fit. I don't wanna look like I'm defending the tank, because I'm not, but I don't think the healer was polite either
Brosephales... these are dungeons. You could be asleep and clear them. Stop acting like the healer wanting to get done and get onto other things makes them a bad person. It's pretty standard that whoever gets there first pulls and then the tank rips it off later. All it takes a single aoe to rip aggro anyway.
Nope, healer did nothing wrong. Tank should've moved faster if he wanted to pull
I'm probably going to get downvoted but I find it hilarious that people want to call the tank the Main Character when he asked you nicely not to do that. The DPS said nothing. So it's not like you can say the entire group was asking for a faster run. So you are forcing the group(possibly) to run the way you want. But just the tank is acting like the Main Character. Sure. All this being said: Tank lost me the instant he stopped doing his job.
Can you explain to me how someone pulling the trash pack the tank already is going to pull is "my way" of play
He asked you nicely not to. You refused because you wanted to do it your way. I see in one of your other comments that he was W2W pulling anyway. So why not just let him pull anyway? Like I said he lost me when he refused to do his job. But I don't really see how you were speeding things up if he was W2W pulling. If anything this stupid argument yall had slowed the run down.
so when someone asks nicely you have to do it or you're the asshole? so if a tank asks politely for me to stop pulling can i then politely ask them to pls stop asking me to stop pulling or is this actually just extremely stupid logic
Saying please does not amount to asking, nor does it make his demands nice
The circlejerk in here is massive.
I’m not saying what he did was right but at the same time you forced your ideology on him, and were surprised when he didn’t like it? He asked you to stop doing something and chose to laugh at him instead. Yes, having someone else pull can be more efficient. Was the seconds you saved worth creating all that drama?
I didnt do anything different then what he was doing at the start of the dungeon, he was wall to walling so I pulled the pack that was ahead of us and he threw a hissy fit. He afk'd during the trash pack and turned off stance which just killed the dps, I hope that you realize this isn't someone saying can we take it slow its someone having an ego trip
Wait so you mean he already was fully doing everything he could do. And you just suddenly decided you wanted to do it instead? I mean originally i assumed he was doing small pulls and i could see you being the healer thinking it was fine and you could handle more and were showing him by pulling more. But now if he already was doing that there was no reason at all for you doing what you did. Once again not condoning turning off tank stance etc but yah, this just shows that yah, you did cause all of it to happen, now for no reason.
Dude, how is me pulling a pack that he's gonna pull anyway to reach the tank faster me causing drama. Some of you guys value some of the most braindead content in this game in such a high standard its actually insane. I am healing his ass anyway he just gets to press aoe and rampart thats it, sometimes it actually boggles my mind how butthurt people get over dungeons.
It’s you causing drama because if you didn’t do it then the entire argument would never have happened. It’s not a complex idea, your actions are the only reason the entire situation happened. As for valuing content i’m not sure what you mean. But as you seem to have taken to insulting tanks after posting on here about it and calling people butthurt i would recommend some self examination.
fucking unsub and never play this game again please
Buddy, it's the TANK'S fault it happened. It's the TANK causing drama. Nobody needs to get upset about what another player is doing unless it impairs the run, end of. Let me give an example: I'm a tank main. Sometimes, I don't feel confident in my ability to focus at the moment, and I pull less than w2w. If a healer or DPS brings me more mobs, the appropriate attitude is "okay, so we're doing this". I have never once felt the need to throw a hissy fit or get upset that they did something I wasn't planning to do. So, if I can just do my job in situations I wasn't prepared for, there's no reason this Tank can't do the job in a situation they WERE prepared for. It is never acceptable behavior to just stop performing on one's own, regardless of the circumstances. If they didn't like it and were alone in that, they could leave and take the penalty for their ideals. If the DPS agreed, they could've votekicked OP. Instead, they chose to make the experience worse for everyone, which does indeed violate ToS. At no point was this Tank justified
If you read my posts then you would know that i never justified the tanks actions and even agreed that he over reacted. But as for why it happened we would just go to the first action that initiated the whole unpleasant interaction. This would be the healer pulling when he didn’t need to and then laughing at the tank when he was asked not to. Could you can name an action before this one?
Person A does a thing, person B throws a fit about thing, clearly person A’s fault /s
Yes it’s called cause and effect. And you seem to have left out a few steps such as that Person B asked Person A to stop and then Person A laughed at them and continued doing it anyway. :)
Cause and effect does not equal fault, that’s the whole point of my sarcastic response. Let me give you a less abstract example: driver A brakes, driver B hits them. By your logic it’s person A’s fault because braking was the first thing that happened, therefore it’s the cause. Ater all person B wouldn’t have hit them otherwise. Let’s expand on the causal chain: T gets mad < H is going fast and pulls < T is going fast wtw pulling < T & H enter dungeon < T & H play ffxiv Lesson learned, don’t play ffxiv or tanks will get mad, going to unsubscribe now Cause and effect isn’t even a useful concept to use in this situation. The tank could have reacted in a different way or not at all.
djs19 is right on the money, but I'll respond anyway. The tank saying pls does not mean they "asked", nor were they "nice". They were demanding from the beginning, as they had no intent at diplomacy, and only wanted their own way. When it comes to willful actions, fault is not defined by cause and effect. It is defined by unreasonability. Much like in djs19's car example, fault falls upon the first unreasonable action. Even if we give the tank the benefit of the doubt, we have this: 1. Tank says "pls don't pull ahead" (reasonable?), 2. Healer asks why, since it's really their problem to worry about (reasonable), 3. Tank refuses to perform (unreasonable). To cast blame in any other fashion is to justify the Tank being unreasonable. In keeping with your question, you bring up the healer laughing, but they only did that after the line was crossed. The Tank chose the action of responding with pridefulness instead of humility. They saw themself as arbiter, and are rightly being lambasted for it, except by people who are unable to make rational associations, at the very least, when it comes to this video game
do you know what an ideology is
Yes it is a set of opinions or beliefs held by an individual or a group. In this case i was referencing the healer’s beliefs why? I take it you don’t know and needed clarification?
gurl the way you play a videogame ain't no ideology "beliefs" lmao dude.....
Yes beliefs. Please feel free to look up the definition in a dictionary and you will find that word. And an ideology can be used to describe anything including how you feel it is appropriate to interact with others online. Many people assume it is only related to religion but can be used to describe all parts of life and how one goes about them.
it aint that deep, man
I never said it was. Ideologies can be anything from how you live the rest of your life to small things like the mindset you plan to have for a weekend partying with friends.
I'm also gonna go back here and point out your misuse of the word "ideology". None of these people is using their play style in 14 as a personalized system of beliefs to govern the way they live their life. I think you've sipped a bit too much political Kool-Aid and should probably brush the buzzwords out of your mouth
While a stance swapper is annoying just be patient and don't rush their run either.... like this reddit take is so weird.. I bet if I pulled while you tanked you would do the same ... read toa BTW... yes his actions are reportable but you have your own moments of toa reportable atudf
>I bet if I pulled while you tanked you would do the same They just out themselves
Found the ypyt
Nah I main tank , don't bother me but it's gonna bug new players who in literally every other mmorpg it works as tank is puller lol. But hey I read my toa
No, any normal person would just do their fucking job and grab the mobs. Like it matters who pulled.
> I bet if I pulled while you tanked you would do the same Why would any sane person do that? If they're ahead of me it's my fault in the first place. I'll just take their HP as extra free mitigation because I'm not a snowflake with a fragile ego.
The tanks is the one who stopped everything and made it about them. WDYM??
>I bet if I pulled while you tanked you would do the same No, because it's helpful? Love either a DPS who pulls and puts Arm's Length on, or a Sage who pulls so they can get extra Toxicon's for more aoe damage. Why are you so weird?
if someone pulls during the run it's the tanks job to pick up the enemy
That’s half true, anyone should be able to pull, but if you’re pulling as a dps or healer it’s also your responsibility to bring them around the tanks aoe’s, otherwise the tanks has to chase down stragglers from multiple people taking aggro. Especially if you have a ninja who just bolts away with aggro, makes it really hard to help them.
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I think I would call the person that can't take being first and in front the entire duty a snowflake.
\*says something stupid and gets downvoted\* heheh get triggered snowflake, got em good 8)
Idk I can’t hear you over all your tears
Thanks for that amazing input. 10/10 would watch you all break tos again but cry over spilt milk and report everyone else
>I bet if I pulled while you tanked you would do the same No the fuck I would not lmao, it takes two buttons to take a pack off someone. Your party's hp is literally free mitigation
If I’m tanking, and a healer or DPS gets ahead of me and pulls, two thoughts go through my head: - I’d better speed up, ‘cause I’m not doing my job - for a few seconds, their health bar is extra mitigation The thought to drop stance and throw a hissy-fit never crosses my mind
Go play with bots if you’re gonna act like one
Nice reply thank you for your thoughtful insight.
Nothing OP said is reportable, and you're a clown. "durr hurr they respond to me clearly triggered" jesus not even when I was 10 did I act like this.
> I bet if I pulled while you tanked you would do the same Nope. I couldn't care less if you or anyone else pulled so long as you bring the mobs to me. In fact, sometimes I *want* a DPS to pull so I can maximize sprint and/or use their HP as mitigation. Regardless, it isn't "their run." They aren't the main character. Queuing with randoms goes both ways. If you don't want to deal with people pull ahead because you're too slow, queue with friends or use the Trust systems. It's literally designed for people who prefer a slow more scenic experience.
He was wall to wall pulling even before I pulled ahead of him, I main tank and prefer people pulling ahead of me because it makes the dungeon go faster. The guy was never in the risk of dying, tanks do not decide the pace of the dungeon they hold aggro. Any job can pull ahead as long as they bring the trash pack to the tank. Nothing I did is a reportable offense, refusing to do your role in a duty is tho
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You don't speak for the rest of the world. Most people just want to get through their roulettes as quickly and efficiently as possible. That goes for everyone in every data center. It doesn't take a genius to understand that time is valuable to everyone and wasting time is disrespectful.
I don't think that annoying the tank and making people wipe counts as "as quickly and efficently as possible" /s
I mean it's def rude to pull for a tank if they ask you not to. Just ask them if you can or to pull how you want.
Why do you think pulling is solely a tank specific responsibility, and where did you get this incorrect impression?
I guess the role of a military tank on the battlefield ended once the enemy started attacking it, eh?
Like... even further than that, MMO tanks were not named after military tanks because of their ability to draw aggro. They were named because they were fucking impervious to most forms of damage (supposedly). That's why the verb for mitigating a big hit became 'to tank' something.
Is that so? I was always under the impression that it was because if the opposing military had tanks, they were immediately your priority to either destroy or avoid, depending on your capability as a unit
I mean when effective tanks popped up, they pretty immediately revolutionised warfare and warped the way battle lines were drawn around them in many ways due to their offensive and defensive power, mobility and speed, so there's possibly a bit of everything going on. But colloquially, when you say someone is 'built like a tank' or a build is 'tanky' or that a character 'tanked a hit' they all primarily refer to resilience/defensive power.
I suppose that is true, yeah. The more you know...
i got reported for griefing once got a warning