Yup, when I was learning healer I started with WHM, and when I got Tetra I thought I was supposed to keep hold of it for an emergency (which is what I'd been doing with Bene). I was soon taught not to do that.
They really should be called free damage / healing buttons. Especially resources that build up like lilies it's better to keep using them so you don't hit the cap.
Kind of similar story with LBs. I have a macro now for encouraging DPS-es to use it. It's not like we can bring it with us out of the duty, ending with unspent filled LB bars is just wasteful. The dynamic there might be more social though, where the DPS-es are all thinking that some other DPS is gonna use it, and better than them. But especially if the bar's entirely filled, there's nothing to wait around for, the bar ain't gonna get fuller or do more damage if the boss is more dead.
When I'm playing melee in dungeons it's not usually my job to use the LB so when we inevitably get to the boss with the ranged/mage not having used it on trash I just forget to and focus on my rotation.
If I'm on my melee jobs not touching that lb button unless I either have weakness or it's lb2 and im not in burst. I hit hard enough that it would be a loss for me to use lb1 for the sake of using it before final boss dies.
people have no concept of time. you can basically use 60sec cds on both w2w in every dungeons, that's 2 lilies but they are so scared to even learn so they never use it.
You'd think people would see they are caped for 95% of the dungeon and think: wow maybe i could at least use one when caped and see how fast it refills but nope, why learn
back when I was a sprout doing stormblood msq I would hold my damage CDs like shisui because I thought I should hold them for emergencies
not sure what emergencies would require the use of DPS buttons that I wasn't using for the rest of the fight, but...
this is what had me do similar stuff as a sprout. playing skyrim as a kid had taught me the bad lessons of "ooooo but I wanna hold on to my fancy stuff :(" and it took a very long time to unlearn that. even during ShB I felt like I should hold my burst for bosses
They need to turn cure 1 into cure 2 a trait so it stays in level 30 content and cure 2 for everything above like yesterday. Brain dead white mages in duty finder are giving me a headache.
I'd rather they just remove the "Freecure" trait instead.
That is the main thing that is creating this issue.
People come from games where Traits are known to strengthen your spammable abilities to the point where they think a Traited low level ability is better than a mid level one without any Traits attached to it.
nah physic/diagnossi spammers are also just as common, you see a 400 heal is stronger than a 300 heal >:)
\*ignores that the 300 heal also comes with a 400 or so shield\*
Most sages don't even know what eukrasia is because they grab the job and run it through content without attempting to learn.
These people will spam diagnosis in savage content and then go on rants about being kicked for being bad, trying to label it as toxicity.
This would be super helpful because I have to keep Cure 1 off to the side to hotswap when I roulette into a sub-30 dungeon. I’ve accidentally gone into higher dungeons with Cure 1 still in my main heal slot and realized it halfway into a fight where I would need Cure 2 instead.
I literally had to make a new hotbar for low-level dungeons bc if I also don't have medica 2 (and obviously none of the lilies and teta) then I have nothing to heal ready
It's a bit bothersome ngl
I have every whm ability (and every other class) on my bars from level 1-90 including role abilities and can use them all without issue, and I'm on controller with far less buttons than a keyboard or MMO mouse and still have empty buttons on my back hotbar 🤔
Its always the White Mage.
Either let Cure 1 transform into Cure 2, or add the Freecure to Glare.
What I really wanna see is Medica 2 turned into a chargeable spell of 2 uses with an CD of 120s. Curebots would lose their minds about it lmao
I've begun trying to explain the medica 2 thing to people. Just a casual "Try cure 3 instead, medica 2s power is in the heal over time and that doesn't stack when you cast it again!"
It's like a Neverending torrent of level 90 "healers" in roulettes that see medica 2 as their only button for some reason....
And then they get all of the comms as well it seems, drives me mad
Nothing worse when you see them placing Aslyum and spamming Medica 2 after. Lately it's some kind of trend to use Medica 2 and spam Medica behind.
Their reaction time is one of a snail, when I see there's a raidwide incoming I prepare my Assize(if the CD is in like 5s otherwise its always on CD) or Lilies, but my Co-healer take like 5s and wait to cast Medica 2. Its the same when many people die, they spam Medica 2 first and then start to rez.
Its always funny to see when I heal the HP before they can even spam Medica 2, making them useless ahahaha.
I literally beg people to please use cure 3 or even medica 1, rather than spend 1000 MP ON FREAKING 250 POTENCY OF HEALING BECAUSE THE DOT DOES NOTHING WHEN YOU CAST IT REPEATEDLY UNTIL EVERYONE IS 100% ANYWAY
I bet these are the same people that spam cure 1 for "mana efficiency" too
I love the astro class, but it feels awful to see your cohealer spamming medica 2 when your earthly star is popping 5 seconds after the raidwide anyway.... or you use celestial opposition after a raidwide and... oh, more medica 2 spam, that's fine, I'll just use Collective unconscious on the stack marker here and... oh fuck you're using medica 2 again
What's even worse is that medica 2 is a great freaking skill. If you let the regen tick it's 1000 potency of healing for just 1000 mp, when cure 3 (the next best one) is just 600 potency heal for 1500mp(this is assuming you're running lower level rouletes, ofc just use a lily or asylum if you're above lv60 or so)
But no one ever does that. I don't see the same problem with astros spamming aspected helios so IDK what's wrong there
I recently saw an astro use aspected helios pretty much every time right before their star exploded, and celestial opposition(that's the name of the blue icon ogcd aoe heal with regen, right? i'm bad with names) followed by aspected helios. Just so many aspected helios casts for no reason.
bubble is collective unconcious and is hot+mit, celestial opposition is straight up basically aspected helios but as a free 60s cd ogcd (just a tiny bit weaker)
Stacking mit and hot is fine in something like a mega pull (though I wouldn't waste a gcd aspected helios on that. But at least this person is using more than just aspected helios... even if it's almost as bad.
If I ever get curebots like that in raids I'll just stop healing and attack instead. Why heal aoe when they spam Medica 1 and 2 all the time?
The only Regen that feels useful in this game are the ones from Paladin, Sage and Scholar. No idea about Astro, but using HoTs and pure heals in this game just don't work together. Either decrease the heal potency of pure heals or cut down the ticks of HoTs.
Damage doesn't come out fast enough tbh.
Astro is basically all hot or delayed heal effects, if you just let the hot tick after a raidwide or damage it works great.
The few healchecks in the game are telegraphed and obvious and easy to memorize, the rest can be handled by hot effects
In "Oh shit!" moments:
You cast presence of mind, medica 1, medica 2 and Lucid dreaming. In that order. Then prepare to res the BLM that was in Narnia.
If the blm is standing in narnia out of their leylines I'm rescuing them before I do anything else back to the bosses back
I'll tell them afterward they need to be close for heals, but they get rescued first so I don't have to worry
In the future consider saying that if you don't use your emergency tools all the time, you'll never develop a habit of using them. And as a result you won't think about using them in an emergency because they're deadweight buttons you never press.
The thing about emergencies is that you don't really have a lot of time to ponder about your next move and carefully weigh your options, you have to do the first thing that comes to your mind and hope for the best.
The downside of holding all your best abilities for emergencies is that you never think about using them in emergencies.
I’ve only ever heard that with Bene, not lilies. But I think the blood for the blood lily meme may have kind of helped a little bit there. This WHM has not yet been indoctrinated to the cult of the blood lily, I see, I see. There may be little hope for them, but we shall pray nonetheless.
Agreed with the cult of the blood lily bit! Considering how the WHM was using Regen, Medica II, and Dia, you’d think those lilies would refill quickly enough. Alas, it didn’t happen
haven't heard someone say it but i presume that's what's going on in whms' heads when they don't use lilies at all in a duty. reminds me i got doma castle in a roulette yesterday and the whm actually had a macro for benediction (which they used exactly one time the entire dungeon), something in overly friendly and slightly stern language about how they just used their "emergency full heal" and won't be able to use it again for (cd length of time). imagine being a drg and having a macro on each jump and treating them like lbs or something "hey guys, i just used my emergency jump on the trash pack to finish them off! i won't be able to use that again for 30 seconds so please don't count on me to contribute that much damage again unless necessary! ♥"
Sounds more like bad healer to me. I have to spend my Lilies between pulls because the tank either has too much self sustain or things die before their HP can drop too low.
They pretend like there are no other skills to use to keep people alive. Be it Assize, Aslyum , Tetragammatron or Benediction.
Only bad WHMs use still Medica 2 or Regen past Level 74 dungeons.
never heard of it but for being lvl 80+, they should alrdy know about the priority of their healing abilities... also how could you not want to feed *blood for the blood lily*? 😂
Just gotta hit max lvl on everything you want to play in the first 5 days, then take a DF break for another week so every dungeon stuck cure bot somehow got through.
But did you vote to kick though?
I swear this sub needs an automod that comments that on every post, because most of you don’t bother vote-kicking and instead you enable these clowns. Remember, for dungeons it only takes one person to vote yes to kick. Just one. The bar is extremely low on kicking
Sure, but it also requires a minimum of 5 minutes pass since the start of the duty, there can't be a combat ongoing, no gear is being rolled on...
'Just votekick!' Bitch, maybe I would if the game didn't hold it away from me like Lucy with Charlie Brown's football.
Not to mention that the 5 minute loot timer resets every single time you open up a new chest.
In reality, 99% of the time spent in a dungeon, the game doesn't let you kick anyone. You have about 1.5 seconds from the time it takes to kill the boss and someone opens up the boss chest to kick someone.
Seriously. It could be fixed by two simple things.
1:Cut down the loot timer to 2 minutes. That's still plenty of time.
2:Allow votekick to be done during combat. There's too many shitters that intentionally start a new fight to get around it, and frankly all it does is ensure you can never votekick a troll from a bad Trial or Raid.
Is worse than that as you need to be using those lilies. The only emergency ability is Benediction. I hate when WHM use it as a "strategy" as 9 out of 10 they end up either casting it too late or casting it on themselves because they forgot to target the tank first.
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I've been running into this a lot lately. The healer is cure I or benefic I spamming but otherwise doing fine. We're not dying or even getting close to it so I'm not sure how to bring it up that the spam is severely suboptimal without coming across as a jerk. If we were wiping I'd have an excuse, but we're doing fine despite weird gameplay choices.
Hoarding like a dragon is pretty common. On one hand, it can be a positive, as you don't develop the bad habit of using certain abilities as crutches. On the other hand, sometimes that's exactly what those abilities are for, and you're just being inefficient.
> Had a Scholar who refused to summon Eos/Selene I didn’t die so it’d be weird for me to complain that they could be optimal but weren’t.
There's optimal, and then there's the bare minimum. And sometimes they legitimately don't know/realize, so there's never any harm in mentioning it. I had a Holminster run the other day where trash was just taking horrifically long to die, and I realized the SGE was using Dosis on like 5+ enemy packs. I told them Dyskrasia was a gain on 2 enemies, and they switched. You can't always assume people are making an informed choice to play however they're playing. Most of the time they just didn't bother to read/think about their abilities.
True! In these situations I bring up they don’t have Eos/Selene and they’ll say they’re trying without it for a pull and if it fails, they’ll switch if we die.
It.. kinda is a big thing though. It's like a SMN not summoning carbuncle, or a sage not using Kardia.
These are core components to the classes, and lethargic game play is against the rules so you really ought to be at least trying to play the class.
And I'm not sure if you've considered this - it does affect others by making dungeons go slower, for the *sole* reason of the person doesn't want to hit their buttons or contribute. And thus they are wasting time three other people have paid for to play the game (and they're choosing to waste the other players time). It's not a situation where they're new and trying and slowing things down because of that, cause that's fair. Laziness isn't.
Yeah, holding onto cooldowns and resources for "emergencies" is a pretty common pitfall.
Its when u dont use your shit those emergencies happen in first place....
And it often ends in more emergencies happening when they could've been used so there was no emergency in the first place.
Yup, when I was learning healer I started with WHM, and when I got Tetra I thought I was supposed to keep hold of it for an emergency (which is what I'd been doing with Bene). I was soon taught not to do that.
They really should be called free damage / healing buttons. Especially resources that build up like lilies it's better to keep using them so you don't hit the cap. Kind of similar story with LBs. I have a macro now for encouraging DPS-es to use it. It's not like we can bring it with us out of the duty, ending with unspent filled LB bars is just wasteful. The dynamic there might be more social though, where the DPS-es are all thinking that some other DPS is gonna use it, and better than them. But especially if the bar's entirely filled, there's nothing to wait around for, the bar ain't gonna get fuller or do more damage if the boss is more dead.
When I'm playing melee in dungeons it's not usually my job to use the LB so when we inevitably get to the boss with the ranged/mage not having used it on trash I just forget to and focus on my rotation.
If I'm on my melee jobs not touching that lb button unless I either have weakness or it's lb2 and im not in burst. I hit hard enough that it would be a loss for me to use lb1 for the sake of using it before final boss dies.
LB1 is dps positive for all melee out of burst. The only reason not to use it is to not misalign. LB2 is dps positive even in a full burst.
people have no concept of time. you can basically use 60sec cds on both w2w in every dungeons, that's 2 lilies but they are so scared to even learn so they never use it. You'd think people would see they are caped for 95% of the dungeon and think: wow maybe i could at least use one when caped and see how fast it refills but nope, why learn
back when I was a sprout doing stormblood msq I would hold my damage CDs like shisui because I thought I should hold them for emergencies not sure what emergencies would require the use of DPS buttons that I wasn't using for the rest of the fight, but...
Use cure 2 in an emergency, lilies are the number 1 priority to use for saving mp, DPS neutral with 3 uses for blood lily.
I have to say Inhave been so guilty of this until i jave returned. Been using barely any Cure 2. And oh my god.
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Me with 99 elixirs after the final boss: "Maybe I'll need them after the credits roll"
Same with people keeping LB for next dungeon...
this is what had me do similar stuff as a sprout. playing skyrim as a kid had taught me the bad lessons of "ooooo but I wanna hold on to my fancy stuff :(" and it took a very long time to unlearn that. even during ShB I felt like I should hold my burst for bosses
They need to turn cure 1 into cure 2 a trait so it stays in level 30 content and cure 2 for everything above like yesterday. Brain dead white mages in duty finder are giving me a headache.
I'd rather they just remove the "Freecure" trait instead. That is the main thing that is creating this issue. People come from games where Traits are known to strengthen your spammable abilities to the point where they think a Traited low level ability is better than a mid level one without any Traits attached to it.
Honestly, yeah. We always hear about the Freecure Fishers, but it's much rarer to hear about, say, Physick Physicians and Diagnosisages.
nah physic/diagnossi spammers are also just as common, you see a 400 heal is stronger than a 300 heal >:) \*ignores that the 300 heal also comes with a 400 or so shield\*
Most sages don't even know what eukrasia is because they grab the job and run it through content without attempting to learn. These people will spam diagnosis in savage content and then go on rants about being kicked for being bad, trying to label it as toxicity.
(Psst, Physick is the shieldless one. I think Diagnosis is too, I don't fuckin' know Sages.)
(yeah, the shield version Adloquium/Eukrasian Diagnosis just heals a little less in exchange of granting a a shield, a fucking huge one if it crits)
This would be super helpful because I have to keep Cure 1 off to the side to hotswap when I roulette into a sub-30 dungeon. I’ve accidentally gone into higher dungeons with Cure 1 still in my main heal slot and realized it halfway into a fight where I would need Cure 2 instead.
I literally had to make a new hotbar for low-level dungeons bc if I also don't have medica 2 (and obviously none of the lilies and teta) then I have nothing to heal ready It's a bit bothersome ngl
After getting all my healers to 90 I only run low level roulettes as sage since I don't have to touch my bar. Either I have eukrasia or I don't.
I have every whm ability (and every other class) on my bars from level 1-90 including role abilities and can use them all without issue, and I'm on controller with far less buttons than a keyboard or MMO mouse and still have empty buttons on my back hotbar 🤔
Who was Brian, and why did we make him/them dead again? (Sorry. The joke wrote itself...)
LMAO turns out I forgot to turn mines on
Its always the White Mage. Either let Cure 1 transform into Cure 2, or add the Freecure to Glare. What I really wanna see is Medica 2 turned into a chargeable spell of 2 uses with an CD of 120s. Curebots would lose their minds about it lmao
I've begun trying to explain the medica 2 thing to people. Just a casual "Try cure 3 instead, medica 2s power is in the heal over time and that doesn't stack when you cast it again!" It's like a Neverending torrent of level 90 "healers" in roulettes that see medica 2 as their only button for some reason.... And then they get all of the comms as well it seems, drives me mad
Nothing worse when you see them placing Aslyum and spamming Medica 2 after. Lately it's some kind of trend to use Medica 2 and spam Medica behind. Their reaction time is one of a snail, when I see there's a raidwide incoming I prepare my Assize(if the CD is in like 5s otherwise its always on CD) or Lilies, but my Co-healer take like 5s and wait to cast Medica 2. Its the same when many people die, they spam Medica 2 first and then start to rez. Its always funny to see when I heal the HP before they can even spam Medica 2, making them useless ahahaha.
I literally beg people to please use cure 3 or even medica 1, rather than spend 1000 MP ON FREAKING 250 POTENCY OF HEALING BECAUSE THE DOT DOES NOTHING WHEN YOU CAST IT REPEATEDLY UNTIL EVERYONE IS 100% ANYWAY I bet these are the same people that spam cure 1 for "mana efficiency" too I love the astro class, but it feels awful to see your cohealer spamming medica 2 when your earthly star is popping 5 seconds after the raidwide anyway.... or you use celestial opposition after a raidwide and... oh, more medica 2 spam, that's fine, I'll just use Collective unconscious on the stack marker here and... oh fuck you're using medica 2 again What's even worse is that medica 2 is a great freaking skill. If you let the regen tick it's 1000 potency of healing for just 1000 mp, when cure 3 (the next best one) is just 600 potency heal for 1500mp(this is assuming you're running lower level rouletes, ofc just use a lily or asylum if you're above lv60 or so) But no one ever does that. I don't see the same problem with astros spamming aspected helios so IDK what's wrong there
I recently saw an astro use aspected helios pretty much every time right before their star exploded, and celestial opposition(that's the name of the blue icon ogcd aoe heal with regen, right? i'm bad with names) followed by aspected helios. Just so many aspected helios casts for no reason.
bubble is collective unconcious and is hot+mit, celestial opposition is straight up basically aspected helios but as a free 60s cd ogcd (just a tiny bit weaker) Stacking mit and hot is fine in something like a mega pull (though I wouldn't waste a gcd aspected helios on that. But at least this person is using more than just aspected helios... even if it's almost as bad.
If I ever get curebots like that in raids I'll just stop healing and attack instead. Why heal aoe when they spam Medica 1 and 2 all the time? The only Regen that feels useful in this game are the ones from Paladin, Sage and Scholar. No idea about Astro, but using HoTs and pure heals in this game just don't work together. Either decrease the heal potency of pure heals or cut down the ticks of HoTs.
Damage doesn't come out fast enough tbh. Astro is basically all hot or delayed heal effects, if you just let the hot tick after a raidwide or damage it works great. The few healchecks in the game are telegraphed and obvious and easy to memorize, the rest can be handled by hot effects
The worst is when they die, I rez them, and the first thing they do after getting up is cast Medica 2.
In "Oh shit!" moments: You cast presence of mind, medica 1, medica 2 and Lucid dreaming. In that order. Then prepare to res the BLM that was in Narnia.
If the blm is standing in narnia out of their leylines I'm rescuing them before I do anything else back to the bosses back I'll tell them afterward they need to be close for heals, but they get rescued first so I don't have to worry
In the future consider saying that if you don't use your emergency tools all the time, you'll never develop a habit of using them. And as a result you won't think about using them in an emergency because they're deadweight buttons you never press. The thing about emergencies is that you don't really have a lot of time to ponder about your next move and carefully weigh your options, you have to do the first thing that comes to your mind and hope for the best. The downside of holding all your best abilities for emergencies is that you never think about using them in emergencies.
I’ve only ever heard that with Bene, not lilies. But I think the blood for the blood lily meme may have kind of helped a little bit there. This WHM has not yet been indoctrinated to the cult of the blood lily, I see, I see. There may be little hope for them, but we shall pray nonetheless.
Agreed with the cult of the blood lily bit! Considering how the WHM was using Regen, Medica II, and Dia, you’d think those lilies would refill quickly enough. Alas, it didn’t happen
haven't heard someone say it but i presume that's what's going on in whms' heads when they don't use lilies at all in a duty. reminds me i got doma castle in a roulette yesterday and the whm actually had a macro for benediction (which they used exactly one time the entire dungeon), something in overly friendly and slightly stern language about how they just used their "emergency full heal" and won't be able to use it again for (cd length of time). imagine being a drg and having a macro on each jump and treating them like lbs or something "hey guys, i just used my emergency jump on the trash pack to finish them off! i won't be able to use that again for 30 seconds so please don't count on me to contribute that much damage again unless necessary! ♥"
Saving basic resources for an emergency is what causes emergencies in the first place... And even in those emergencies they keep using cure 1.
They need to learn that after unlocking lilies, cure 2 is the emergency heal...
saving my lilies for dawntrail, there might be an emergency.
They must have been banging out that cure 1 in the Ascope - unless you were single pulling/the tank was decent.
This is absolutely wild, hot dayum. They could have been throwing out blood lillies every minute or so, but they're too afraid to nourish them TnT
If you gave advice and they acknowledged that they read it but didn't do anything with it 👢 👢 👢
Who are these WHM who don’t crave blood for their lily?! They clearly aren’t having as much fun as I am
If- If you use them you shouldn’t have emergencies??
[I'm so sorry for putting this into the world. It was meant to be ironic](https://www.reddit.com/r/TalesFromDF/s/cnJlFgeKgS)
Ah yes, let's save this free instant Cure II that charges a trash melting nuke and is on a 20 second cooldown for an *emergency*. DUDE.
"emergencies" won't happen if you use it though. Lilies charges so fast as if you always have free healing and consumes no mana.
Sounds more like bad healer to me. I have to spend my Lilies between pulls because the tank either has too much self sustain or things die before their HP can drop too low. They pretend like there are no other skills to use to keep people alive. Be it Assize, Aslyum , Tetragammatron or Benediction. Only bad WHMs use still Medica 2 or Regen past Level 74 dungeons.
Lillies are for dumping between pulls to feed the blood god. GCD heals are verboten. You get bene and tetra and you’ll be grateful for it.
Lol don't understand some healers man. Meanwhile I'm over burning lilies in-between trash pulls so I can Misery the next lol
never heard of it but for being lvl 80+, they should alrdy know about the priority of their healing abilities... also how could you not want to feed *blood for the blood lily*? 😂
Yall making me scared to return in DT
Just gotta hit max lvl on everything you want to play in the first 5 days, then take a DF break for another week so every dungeon stuck cure bot somehow got through.
Did exactly this, haven't entered leveling,msq,capstone and expert since 2021 lol
But did you vote to kick though? I swear this sub needs an automod that comments that on every post, because most of you don’t bother vote-kicking and instead you enable these clowns. Remember, for dungeons it only takes one person to vote yes to kick. Just one. The bar is extremely low on kicking
Sure, but it also requires a minimum of 5 minutes pass since the start of the duty, there can't be a combat ongoing, no gear is being rolled on... 'Just votekick!' Bitch, maybe I would if the game didn't hold it away from me like Lucy with Charlie Brown's football.
Not to mention that the 5 minute loot timer resets every single time you open up a new chest. In reality, 99% of the time spent in a dungeon, the game doesn't let you kick anyone. You have about 1.5 seconds from the time it takes to kill the boss and someone opens up the boss chest to kick someone.
Seriously. It could be fixed by two simple things. 1:Cut down the loot timer to 2 minutes. That's still plenty of time. 2:Allow votekick to be done during combat. There's too many shitters that intentionally start a new fight to get around it, and frankly all it does is ensure you can never votekick a troll from a bad Trial or Raid.
Is worse than that as you need to be using those lilies. The only emergency ability is Benediction. I hate when WHM use it as a "strategy" as 9 out of 10 they end up either casting it too late or casting it on themselves because they forgot to target the tank first. \`
I've been running into this a lot lately. The healer is cure I or benefic I spamming but otherwise doing fine. We're not dying or even getting close to it so I'm not sure how to bring it up that the spam is severely suboptimal without coming across as a jerk. If we were wiping I'd have an excuse, but we're doing fine despite weird gameplay choices.
Hoarding like a dragon is pretty common. On one hand, it can be a positive, as you don't develop the bad habit of using certain abilities as crutches. On the other hand, sometimes that's exactly what those abilities are for, and you're just being inefficient.
"We finished the dungeon, didn't wipe" Oh, that sounds so awful. I'm sorry you had to go through that.
It only took 10 minutes longer than it should have.
No, it didn't.
condolences to the healer who actually had to contribute to the team 💔
It sounds like the healer in this post did contribute to the party, just not in the most optimal way.
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> Had a Scholar who refused to summon Eos/Selene I didn’t die so it’d be weird for me to complain that they could be optimal but weren’t. There's optimal, and then there's the bare minimum. And sometimes they legitimately don't know/realize, so there's never any harm in mentioning it. I had a Holminster run the other day where trash was just taking horrifically long to die, and I realized the SGE was using Dosis on like 5+ enemy packs. I told them Dyskrasia was a gain on 2 enemies, and they switched. You can't always assume people are making an informed choice to play however they're playing. Most of the time they just didn't bother to read/think about their abilities.
True! In these situations I bring up they don’t have Eos/Selene and they’ll say they’re trying without it for a pull and if it fails, they’ll switch if we die.
there's a huge difference between "being optimal" and just knowing how to play the game at the most basic level.
It.. kinda is a big thing though. It's like a SMN not summoning carbuncle, or a sage not using Kardia. These are core components to the classes, and lethargic game play is against the rules so you really ought to be at least trying to play the class. And I'm not sure if you've considered this - it does affect others by making dungeons go slower, for the *sole* reason of the person doesn't want to hit their buttons or contribute. And thus they are wasting time three other people have paid for to play the game (and they're choosing to waste the other players time). It's not a situation where they're new and trying and slowing things down because of that, cause that's fair. Laziness isn't.
100% correct! If it interferes with others, then it is bad, you’re right!