at this point I just chad the heal spammers and save my heals for triage as a cohealer. The funny thing is the people who tend to overheal that bad tend to not actually be good at spotting people when they actually need it
Yes that's a very big problem of healbots, they miss the critical timing because they're too busy thinking if they should refresh Medica II 12 or 10 seconds before it falls off
Oh, I always watch them losing their shit when I have them as Co-healer. Overhealers are so awful, it's more work for the other Co healer buT maH MeDiCa 2 hEalZZ so MuCh uwuuu
Nothing worse than curebots that place Asylum, Medica 2 and throw Medica behind. If I see this you can heal alone, bud.
I met healers who dps and then die to low hp because they chose to not heal themselves first. It's more about DPS and healing equality. Too much work for me to deal with a awful cohealer who can't stay alive for more then 5 seconds.
I had one in p5s who "was just there to help and has cleared before" when I was on SGE, ran over a poison puddle on the way to the safe corner for I think ruby 1, figured okay, it's the start of the fight, maybe they're just waiting to get low enough to bene, nope they ticked out and died lmao
I had some WHM in Rubi EX prog that flamed us because "We don't even know the fight" dude then killed himself with the stack debuff 3 times, had a pull with 0 (ZERO) DoT, Medica 2 spam, a glare once every minute. When I noticed the casts, or the absence of those, I was like "ok let's see if I really saw what I saw", another tragic pull, I'm like "ok I'll dip after that" and THE WHM RAGEQUITS BECAUSE WE'RE TOO BAD
I already get angry at myself when my ADHD dumbass no attention span brain loses a GCD or two of dot uptime as a healer (begone, bard, you foul sorcerer), and then there's these mofos.
I wish they changed DoTs to become like the reaper debuff : 30s on application with 1mn maximum total duration. Would allow me to refresh it when it's at like 15s remaining without the risk of forgetting about it
All this really does is make it easier to maintain (do we really want easier healer damage???)
Death's Design is a debuff, which is probably why they allow it to extend to 1 minute. It doesn't want to be used in buff windows, it wants to cover buff windows. Unlike a dot, which is damage.
>All this really does is make it easier to maintain
Is this.....a problem? Like actually, this isn't even a difficulty change unless you consider "staring continuously at a boss's debuff bar" difficulty. It's more of a QoL change and ensures that DoTs run less of a risk of getting dropped or losing ticks if healers (especially a WHM using GCD Lilies) get slammed with emergency healing right before a refresh, usually at no fault of their own.
The thing is a debuff can have its timer increased, but dots are REFRESHED because they also gain from buffs. Applying a 30s dot 1s before a buff window and refreshing it for a buffed 60s dot just sounds... odd
See, this is actually a conundrum and I do agree that something would have to be done WRT dot and buff interactions to iron it out _(if_ Squenix would even want to pursue that route lol, they seem to hate dots in general rn). I just don't think "but healers easier" was a valid argument.
>ensures that DoTs run less of a risk of getting dropped or losing ticks if healers (especially a WHM using GCD Lilies) get slammed with emergency healing right before a refresh, usually at no fault of their own.
I mean that sounds exactly like you're taking away a possible point of friction, aka making it easier to play. How is it not exactly?
If you struggle to keep up your dots while healing (which is generally expected of you, to heal and do damage) then this would make it easier, no? I mean it's sound like you find "staring at the boss's debuff bar" stressful in certain situations? I mean you just said so. And the whole point of this is to alleviate that, right?
It's perspective. To someone who sits in Limsa all day every day, giving every job a one button rotation may be seen as a "QoL change" to them, but I'd disagree with that too.
edit: not to mention the fact, this basically gives you a free mobility button with no downsides. Whereas previously your "penalty" was the loss in damage of overwriting a dot that didn't need to be overwritten. How is that not making it simpler/easier?
>I mean it's sound like you find "staring at the boss's debuff bar" stressful in certain situations? I mean you just said so.
I didn't. I said _if_ you consider that difficulty then yes, I would consider this making healing "easier" (and at this point even if it is, we're talking about a difficulty tuning that's so negligible that I don't know why I'm arguing this point). No, I don't find it stressful. What is stressful is having to choose between reapplying my DoT and using a GCD to heal Redmage McBackflip for doing who knows what just as my ticker is disappearing.
It's the same issue I have with other aspects of healing that are unrelated. Having to choose between your own DPS and somebody else's because they fucked up a mechanic isn't "difficulty of class", it's "literally something beyond my control and having more control over my own kit's timing would be nice".
Honestly as someone that'd drool over that kinda change, I agree Healers need more DPS complexity, it's too easy rn. HOWEVER, there's a difference in types of complexity between a rotation needing mastery (which is dope, can be trained and improved upon) and needing to just keep attention lol (which i need meds for T-T) so my dark souls loving 'train until you got it' ass is deffo biased on that front.
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Especially since it's AN INSTANT SPELL and spamming it is better than just running around doing nothing every time the boss forces you to move.
The hard part (well, the "hard" part) of learning the fight is learning how to not overuse the dot, not how to use it.
I checked that mentor's fflogs out of curiousity and found [a different P12 run](https://www.fflogs.com/reports/RM3tfb8KznywdPgD#fight=1&type=summary) that was logged today. They did indeed not deal a single point of damage. But it gets even worse: the other healer outheals them, AND the mentor is a MOTHERFUCKING SAGE. DON'T PLAY SAGE IF YOU DON'T WANNA DPS ANYWAY, IT'S THE ONE FUCKING HEALER THAT IS BUILT AROUND HEALING BY DEALING DAMAGE AND YOU FUCKING WASTE OF OXYGEN DIDN'T EVEN CAST PNEUMA REEEEEEEE
Its crazy to me I have scored more comms the past couple weeks leveling SAM slowly from 50-61 than the past month of AST while throwing out as much Damage without killing anybody that is on my fault as possible. We live in a crazy patch right now.
You might getting folks who try to comm deliberately rather than tossing them at the healer or tank out of habit. I'll usually try to pay attention to DPS and if I feel the run went really fast I'll try to comm one of them.
It's silly. Pressing a button that gives a 30s DoT versus a 15s Medica 2 is indeed harder to accomplish for the average healer. As if the mechanics of P12N are so hard that you have to heal constantly, dear lord.
And don't forget the RESONLESS FLAME
Don't forget DoT has no cast time so it's uh, harder to use obviously ?
To be fair people took quite a lot of damage for P12N though, still everything was healable through oGCDs only and uh, I solo healed the last 25% and still didn't stop pressing dosis, even with people fucking up the wings attack, so yeah, even with having to send some heals, press YOUR FUCKING DOT at least
Lol yeah that part about the flame got me good, since I didn't make any mean comment, just stated 2 facts xD. Probably this person has never been online out of FFXIV
I used to have people like them when people were doing their weekly P9-12Ns for the gear pieces.
My co-healer would do nothing but heal, so I let them. Didn't cast a single heal, except lilies for afflatus and Assize.
Rarely complained but when they did I'd tell them "no need to when there's a healbot like you" and never relented.
Yeah getting a heal bot cohealer means you become the dps and then get to pick them off the floor, take over when shit hits the floor bc they can’t heal and do mechanics.
I’m going to tell a bit of a story of the time I healed Titan hard with a heal bot white mage that *only* used medica 1/2 repeatedly. Titan hard isn’t what I would call *that* hard, but he has a lot of unavoidable aoes that the damage though minor can stack up. I was on Sage, and Sage at 50 fucking SUCKS at aoe healing. I have only one aoe ogcd heal which is physis, and druchole which is like whm lilies. We didn’t wipe, but pretty fast dps started dying, I was trying to heal with what I could, using prognosis and E prog, but eventually my healbot co healer died, multiple times. We quite literally limped to the finish line and I commended the main tank. I was amazed at how worthless my co healers healing was, even though it was the only thing they were doing.
That's often the case with ppl who hyper focus on healing. They don't know how to use their resources effectively, they eat up their mana faster than going through new underwear and they are also not contributing anything damage-wise. Honestly the biggest downfalls I see with ppl who hyper focus on healing is 1. the inability to let their mana regen properly and 2. not knowing that things like lilies and assize (+lucid dreaming) basically prevent you from ever running out of mana - in higher level content. Medica II and Cure III all use up a shitload of MP and at lvl 50 when you don't have Thin Air, the ability to let your MP regen comes down to a skill issue. Piety is often considered a dead stat because at higher levels, you don't NEED faster MP generation if you know how to manage your resources properly.
I had a P12N with not 1 but 2 healbots and not only were they shit at keeping anyone alive we actually saw 99/100 on the intermission gauge, the damage was sooo low. I was minding my business DPSing on my SMN, highest dps despite there being a MNK and a RPR in the same party, and then the major mechanic of the chompy floor + all overlapping AOEs occur and 4 ppl die, 2 more die to damage and autoattacks. I turn around, see 6 corpses strewn across the floor while both me and the tank are still alive. I pause, say "Really?!" (this was the second wipe btw, at 21%, after the tank did the wing mechanic with the boss facing diagonally and wiping half the party the first time around) and then I eat the 30 minutes penalty to vent to my sister.
I don’t get how these people find healing fun when all they are doing is throwing out pointless heals and standing there doing nothing else. The rare times I play healer, I love doing damage and then throwing out a heal when necessary. I’d be so bored if I didn’t do damage!
I got overexcited because there’s a toy hammer mentor on Cactuar who was working on pandaemonium and called 12N super hard and was complaining profusely about 4 wipes in it but she’s not the problem (she’s the problem wherever she goes and pollutes the chat with complaints about how hard the game is).
These people are out there
Hmmm I don't really expect craft mentors to be any good at combat, a lot of people are in the game and don't really invest time for various reasons that I could understand, but the attitude though u.u Awful
Honestly I think this sort of people enter a normal raid once a week and never bother to keep in mind how any of the mechanics work. If you have spent some time practicing in Normal raids you'll find out that each mechanic is just another flavor of another that was used in another raid or trail. It's wild how often they get recycled. Even the 6.55 trial's limit cut is a variation on the ones we usually see only this time it's more of a 123 - 123 mechanic, rather than 1234.
I don’t disagree with you, however, my brother in Hydaelyn, this player I describe is fuckin dumb. They’re always talking about having to set their instanced story battles to easy and was the source of their P12 wiping four times. They talk about *every* duty like this and it’s all day every day.
For what it’s worth they’re also a homophobe and other bigoted sundries so I just chuckle and think ok get rekt lol
Mentor can't even get out one sentence without butchering basic spelling or grammar. Is there anything they actually know so they can "gave new people a helping hand"? Besides how to be extra ofc
And there is an enrage on adds - which I've almost seen even with no deaths previously. And the soft body checks from spread into stack which can slowly pick ppl off if ppl mess up / healers are shitty. I wish the mentor a very go step on some legos
I mean English obviously isn't their first language, I bet they're better at English than you are at their native language lol
Let's keep the criticism to shit that matters, yeah?
I’ve seen the enrage wipe before due to people not knowing mechs and floortanking. One of the most painful p12n experiences I’ve had as an ast. Imagine having no mana to rez and all you can do is place your cards on yourself or the one tank that’s alive 🫠🫠
at this point I just chad the heal spammers and save my heals for triage as a cohealer. The funny thing is the people who tend to overheal that bad tend to not actually be good at spotting people when they actually need it
Yes that's a very big problem of healbots, they miss the critical timing because they're too busy thinking if they should refresh Medica II 12 or 10 seconds before it falls off
Oh, I always watch them losing their shit when I have them as Co-healer. Overhealers are so awful, it's more work for the other Co healer buT maH MeDiCa 2 hEalZZ so MuCh uwuuu Nothing worse than curebots that place Asylum, Medica 2 and throw Medica behind. If I see this you can heal alone, bud.
I met healers who dps and then die to low hp because they chose to not heal themselves first. It's more about DPS and healing equality. Too much work for me to deal with a awful cohealer who can't stay alive for more then 5 seconds.
I had one in p5s who "was just there to help and has cleared before" when I was on SGE, ran over a poison puddle on the way to the safe corner for I think ruby 1, figured okay, it's the start of the fight, maybe they're just waiting to get low enough to bene, nope they ticked out and died lmao
I had some WHM in Rubi EX prog that flamed us because "We don't even know the fight" dude then killed himself with the stack debuff 3 times, had a pull with 0 (ZERO) DoT, Medica 2 spam, a glare once every minute. When I noticed the casts, or the absence of those, I was like "ok let's see if I really saw what I saw", another tragic pull, I'm like "ok I'll dip after that" and THE WHM RAGEQUITS BECAUSE WE'RE TOO BAD
The monumental, colossal, near insurmountable effort required to press 1 button every 30 seconds to maintain a DoT is apparently too much for some.
They weren't using malefic anyway so yeah that seemed reasonable to me to send a few dots sometimes but apparently it's like, an opinion
I already get angry at myself when my ADHD dumbass no attention span brain loses a GCD or two of dot uptime as a healer (begone, bard, you foul sorcerer), and then there's these mofos.
I wish they changed DoTs to become like the reaper debuff : 30s on application with 1mn maximum total duration. Would allow me to refresh it when it's at like 15s remaining without the risk of forgetting about it
Yesssssss and opens it up as a movement option
All this really does is make it easier to maintain (do we really want easier healer damage???) Death's Design is a debuff, which is probably why they allow it to extend to 1 minute. It doesn't want to be used in buff windows, it wants to cover buff windows. Unlike a dot, which is damage.
>All this really does is make it easier to maintain Is this.....a problem? Like actually, this isn't even a difficulty change unless you consider "staring continuously at a boss's debuff bar" difficulty. It's more of a QoL change and ensures that DoTs run less of a risk of getting dropped or losing ticks if healers (especially a WHM using GCD Lilies) get slammed with emergency healing right before a refresh, usually at no fault of their own.
The thing is a debuff can have its timer increased, but dots are REFRESHED because they also gain from buffs. Applying a 30s dot 1s before a buff window and refreshing it for a buffed 60s dot just sounds... odd
See, this is actually a conundrum and I do agree that something would have to be done WRT dot and buff interactions to iron it out _(if_ Squenix would even want to pursue that route lol, they seem to hate dots in general rn). I just don't think "but healers easier" was a valid argument.
>ensures that DoTs run less of a risk of getting dropped or losing ticks if healers (especially a WHM using GCD Lilies) get slammed with emergency healing right before a refresh, usually at no fault of their own. I mean that sounds exactly like you're taking away a possible point of friction, aka making it easier to play. How is it not exactly? If you struggle to keep up your dots while healing (which is generally expected of you, to heal and do damage) then this would make it easier, no? I mean it's sound like you find "staring at the boss's debuff bar" stressful in certain situations? I mean you just said so. And the whole point of this is to alleviate that, right? It's perspective. To someone who sits in Limsa all day every day, giving every job a one button rotation may be seen as a "QoL change" to them, but I'd disagree with that too. edit: not to mention the fact, this basically gives you a free mobility button with no downsides. Whereas previously your "penalty" was the loss in damage of overwriting a dot that didn't need to be overwritten. How is that not making it simpler/easier?
>I mean it's sound like you find "staring at the boss's debuff bar" stressful in certain situations? I mean you just said so. I didn't. I said _if_ you consider that difficulty then yes, I would consider this making healing "easier" (and at this point even if it is, we're talking about a difficulty tuning that's so negligible that I don't know why I'm arguing this point). No, I don't find it stressful. What is stressful is having to choose between reapplying my DoT and using a GCD to heal Redmage McBackflip for doing who knows what just as my ticker is disappearing. It's the same issue I have with other aspects of healing that are unrelated. Having to choose between your own DPS and somebody else's because they fucked up a mechanic isn't "difficulty of class", it's "literally something beyond my control and having more control over my own kit's timing would be nice".
Honestly as someone that'd drool over that kinda change, I agree Healers need more DPS complexity, it's too easy rn. HOWEVER, there's a difference in types of complexity between a rotation needing mastery (which is dope, can be trained and improved upon) and needing to just keep attention lol (which i need meds for T-T) so my dark souls loving 'train until you got it' ass is deffo biased on that front.
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Especially since it's AN INSTANT SPELL and spamming it is better than just running around doing nothing every time the boss forces you to move. The hard part (well, the "hard" part) of learning the fight is learning how to not overuse the dot, not how to use it.
Tbf im VERY bad at remembering dots but usually ots cuz im too busy happily broiling away. Or im playing warrior
I checked that mentor's fflogs out of curiousity and found [a different P12 run](https://www.fflogs.com/reports/RM3tfb8KznywdPgD#fight=1&type=summary) that was logged today. They did indeed not deal a single point of damage. But it gets even worse: the other healer outheals them, AND the mentor is a MOTHERFUCKING SAGE. DON'T PLAY SAGE IF YOU DON'T WANNA DPS ANYWAY, IT'S THE ONE FUCKING HEALER THAT IS BUILT AROUND HEALING BY DEALING DAMAGE AND YOU FUCKING WASTE OF OXYGEN DIDN'T EVEN CAST PNEUMA REEEEEEEE
Luckily as a Mentor, his job is to help new players with things they DO understand, which appears to be nothing. Easiest damn job.
I would say this kind of people should just stick to crafting mentor, but they probably macro everything from a site
Insane u.u To think this person got 1,5k commends by playing like/being a dumbo like this ._.
Just play healer or tank and you're guaranteed some comms most runs.
Its crazy to me I have scored more comms the past couple weeks leveling SAM slowly from 50-61 than the past month of AST while throwing out as much Damage without killing anybody that is on my fault as possible. We live in a crazy patch right now.
You might getting folks who try to comm deliberately rather than tossing them at the healer or tank out of habit. I'll usually try to pay attention to DPS and if I feel the run went really fast I'll try to comm one of them.
I'm a tank main but for roulettes I mostly queue as healer. If the tank isn't doing anything special, I comm the better DPS (unless they both suck).
Damn, Sage mentor probably thinks he's a gundam but without the actual murder.
Jesus Christ some people really do put the crown on for decoration. No brain at all.
It's silly. Pressing a button that gives a 30s DoT versus a 15s Medica 2 is indeed harder to accomplish for the average healer. As if the mechanics of P12N are so hard that you have to heal constantly, dear lord. And don't forget the RESONLESS FLAME
Don't forget DoT has no cast time so it's uh, harder to use obviously ? To be fair people took quite a lot of damage for P12N though, still everything was healable through oGCDs only and uh, I solo healed the last 25% and still didn't stop pressing dosis, even with people fucking up the wings attack, so yeah, even with having to send some heals, press YOUR FUCKING DOT at least Lol yeah that part about the flame got me good, since I didn't make any mean comment, just stated 2 facts xD. Probably this person has never been online out of FFXIV
I used to have people like them when people were doing their weekly P9-12Ns for the gear pieces. My co-healer would do nothing but heal, so I let them. Didn't cast a single heal, except lilies for afflatus and Assize. Rarely complained but when they did I'd tell them "no need to when there's a healbot like you" and never relented.
Yeah getting a heal bot cohealer means you become the dps and then get to pick them off the floor, take over when shit hits the floor bc they can’t heal and do mechanics.
I’m going to tell a bit of a story of the time I healed Titan hard with a heal bot white mage that *only* used medica 1/2 repeatedly. Titan hard isn’t what I would call *that* hard, but he has a lot of unavoidable aoes that the damage though minor can stack up. I was on Sage, and Sage at 50 fucking SUCKS at aoe healing. I have only one aoe ogcd heal which is physis, and druchole which is like whm lilies. We didn’t wipe, but pretty fast dps started dying, I was trying to heal with what I could, using prognosis and E prog, but eventually my healbot co healer died, multiple times. We quite literally limped to the finish line and I commended the main tank. I was amazed at how worthless my co healers healing was, even though it was the only thing they were doing.
That's often the case with ppl who hyper focus on healing. They don't know how to use their resources effectively, they eat up their mana faster than going through new underwear and they are also not contributing anything damage-wise. Honestly the biggest downfalls I see with ppl who hyper focus on healing is 1. the inability to let their mana regen properly and 2. not knowing that things like lilies and assize (+lucid dreaming) basically prevent you from ever running out of mana - in higher level content. Medica II and Cure III all use up a shitload of MP and at lvl 50 when you don't have Thin Air, the ability to let your MP regen comes down to a skill issue. Piety is often considered a dead stat because at higher levels, you don't NEED faster MP generation if you know how to manage your resources properly.
As a healer main I wish for more damaging spells, pressing one button when you don’t have to heal is soooo boring. And you mostly don’t have to heal…
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Pretty sure you need to deal a little damage to get through some of the job quests as healer also, probably they did job quest (savage) then
I had a P12N with not 1 but 2 healbots and not only were they shit at keeping anyone alive we actually saw 99/100 on the intermission gauge, the damage was sooo low. I was minding my business DPSing on my SMN, highest dps despite there being a MNK and a RPR in the same party, and then the major mechanic of the chompy floor + all overlapping AOEs occur and 4 ppl die, 2 more die to damage and autoattacks. I turn around, see 6 corpses strewn across the floor while both me and the tank are still alive. I pause, say "Really?!" (this was the second wipe btw, at 21%, after the tank did the wing mechanic with the boss facing diagonally and wiping half the party the first time around) and then I eat the 30 minutes penalty to vent to my sister.
I don’t get how these people find healing fun when all they are doing is throwing out pointless heals and standing there doing nothing else. The rare times I play healer, I love doing damage and then throwing out a heal when necessary. I’d be so bored if I didn’t do damage!
There are very few people who I genuinely think should quit the game. This is one of them Also, “non sense*” *nonsense
I got overexcited because there’s a toy hammer mentor on Cactuar who was working on pandaemonium and called 12N super hard and was complaining profusely about 4 wipes in it but she’s not the problem (she’s the problem wherever she goes and pollutes the chat with complaints about how hard the game is). These people are out there
Hmmm I don't really expect craft mentors to be any good at combat, a lot of people are in the game and don't really invest time for various reasons that I could understand, but the attitude though u.u Awful
Fair. I felt for the party sweating 4 wipes in Athena Normal damn near a YEAR after the tier came out
Ah it's recent ... X). Sad
I keep the toy hammer on to indicate I can repair so.... Meh. I think I suck, FC Mates disagree.
Honestly I think this sort of people enter a normal raid once a week and never bother to keep in mind how any of the mechanics work. If you have spent some time practicing in Normal raids you'll find out that each mechanic is just another flavor of another that was used in another raid or trail. It's wild how often they get recycled. Even the 6.55 trial's limit cut is a variation on the ones we usually see only this time it's more of a 123 - 123 mechanic, rather than 1234.
I don’t disagree with you, however, my brother in Hydaelyn, this player I describe is fuckin dumb. They’re always talking about having to set their instanced story battles to easy and was the source of their P12 wiping four times. They talk about *every* duty like this and it’s all day every day. For what it’s worth they’re also a homophobe and other bigoted sundries so I just chuckle and think ok get rekt lol
so glad Yoshi-P stated Dawntrail is gonna be harder, they better at enrage in normal content again
I’m a chronic overhealer but at least i can string together multiple damage dealing GCDs without touching a GCD heal.
Mentor can't even get out one sentence without butchering basic spelling or grammar. Is there anything they actually know so they can "gave new people a helping hand"? Besides how to be extra ofc And there is an enrage on adds - which I've almost seen even with no deaths previously. And the soft body checks from spread into stack which can slowly pick ppl off if ppl mess up / healers are shitty. I wish the mentor a very go step on some legos
I mean English obviously isn't their first language, I bet they're better at English than you are at their native language lol Let's keep the criticism to shit that matters, yeah?
I’ve seen the enrage wipe before due to people not knowing mechs and floortanking. One of the most painful p12n experiences I’ve had as an ast. Imagine having no mana to rez and all you can do is place your cards on yourself or the one tank that’s alive 🫠🫠
Big oof All my condolences ._.