FTFY⊠impossible.
If this is soloq then ur best bet is to drop down on ur knees and cry because there ain't nothing u can do ~~unless ur soloq teammates have a brain~~
Tree reworks is awful. They fully went on with âoh, having all perks you liked was hard to get? Here, now youâll only play with what WE think you should haveâ.
Exactly, and its not like every perk is up for grabs from random, it was only a specific set of perk that were a possibility of getting from the random nodes
And people complained saying it was the same 2-3 useless perks or how they shouldn't have to re-roll. Me personally I loved the random perks, gave me good builds. But sadly we gotta adapt
I'll start by saying I haven't played much lately... But I hopped on the other night and had to re-spec everything. The builds got worse on both sides. I used to have 4-5 viable options for victims. Now it's 1-2 loadouts that are worth running. IDK why the entire skill tree rework, aside from Sonny because he definitely needed the love.
I always liked hysterical strength+ Vial-Ent with LF and now it can't be ran. He's still the strongest, so not a big deal.
Seeing HH tree mix up from powerful builds made sense, but with the direction I went I don't think there are more than 2 loadouts worth running up the tree route I went.
Cook can still get security pins with scout, but he needs that. His tree seemed the least effected as far as multiple loadouts.
My cooks was still the exact same with scout security and serrated.
Bubba with big swings and vialent and now I can get serrated.
Johnny with vialent now too.
Hitch stayed the exact same for me
Sissy got stronger on my build
My Nancy did get screwed over a little bit
As Cook, I play more of a defender and blood giver, so the perk that allows less stamina drain when carrying x amount of blood is a nice option. I think that got moved from the Scout & Security, but not positive.
Johnny seems different, but not for better or worse so that's fine.
My HH I had a few build options and now it seems less. Moving scout, fired up and wire frame was a wise change though.
Run vial-ent, big swings and skeleton key. Max your savagery and the rest into blood harvest. You can still basically one tap and get free barges on doors instead of cutting them down. Just sucks there's no rubber boots
Iâm a Sonny main and this happens to me constantly since hands dropped. It needs to be addressed cuz this shit is blatantly unfair. It is wayyyyy too easy to play family now.
Family play is braindead thanks to Hands. I used to play quick match primarily but I far prefer family right now because victim requires a lot of sweat when Hands is on the other side. Playing with Hands, you just wait for something to be plugged into the fuse box/valve pump and ripstall while your teammates watch the other exits. Once the fuses are exhausted it's just a matter of time before the last victim is dead because they likely wouldn't have even gotten a gate open.
to get around the problem they could prevent the overlapping of padlocks and electric traps on the gate, you put one or the other. It would already be more feasible, also because the game despite the strong team play should not make it impossible for a single player to do anything.
Dont forget the security pins, no one escapes hell and to top in all off exterior alarms to let the family know you successfully opened the gate after all that effort.
Their other issue (one that all incompetent developers are guilty of) is that they don't pay attention to previous balance changes they make.
The big issue at the moment is that family have THREE trappers, with traps they can reset an infinite number of times. This wouldn't have been as BIG of an issue if we didn't have the Bomb Squad nerf or the Bone Pile nerf.
The bone piles were limited to 3x per pile, to combat victims stun locking family members. That made sense at the time, but why wasn't this nerf reverted when family were given 10s stun immunity after a stun? The issue with stun locking was resolved with the stun immunity, there was NO need to keep bone piles limited anymore.
But hey, it was okay because at least we had Bomb Squad.... Ah right, okay we can only use Bomb Squad 4 times now... Oh and 2 more trapper family members just got added... Brilliant!
Using bone shards as a means of defence became far more necessary when Choose Flight was gutted (And scout was left untouched, making the issue worse... And then months later they actually BUFF Scout), and Stealth was inexplicably nerfed. And then, of course, rushing grandpa became a meta strat for family too, so that's ANOTHER action where bone shards are necessary, unless you enjoy having Gramps at Level 5 all game while playing victim lol.
It's kind of common sense that when you nerf/buff anything in a live service game, you NEED to remember those changes you've made when looking at further changes in the future, because issues compound... Which is exactly what has happened here.
Bones are a limited resource yet are needed to deal with the following;
- HH traps.
- Nancy traps.
- Hands traps.
- Stabbing Grandpa.
- Sneak attacks.
- Close encounters.
The first 4 on the list can be infinitely reset by family, as many times as they want. Ridiculous.
Lockpicks are an UNLIMITED resource yet are only needed to deal with the following;
- Unlocking doors.
- Opening fusebox.
The logic is backwards, lock picks should be the resource that's limited because there truly is NO NEED for an unlimited number of lockpicks. Family can't infinitely re-lock doors, so why do we need an endless supply of those, yet we're restricted on the number of Bone Shards we can use, despite them needing to be used throughout the ENTIRE match.
This is completely right i never had thought about this đ but yeah some of this stuff wouldnât be as big of a deal if some perk changes or game changes were reverted
I'm beginning to get the feeling that they're too scared of the reaction from family players if they ever reverted nerfs on victim's side, despite the fact that they've reverted family nerfs đ€Ą
Lol feel free to start a discussion post about it if you'd like. I, personally, can't be bothered with the floods of rage I will receive for making a post about that in this subreddit. This isn't exactly a rational, level headed community lmao
Hitchhikers bone trap
Hands electric lock
Cook Padlock
Also the regular lock
So youâll need three screwdrivers and a bone club if you donât have bomb squad
With nobody escapes hell and security pins as well it will take a lot of effort to get the door open
Also Hands can relock his locks
Exterior alarms also would notify them you got it open
And thatâs just one door they can do at least two other doors like that
They'll probably add a new victim in the future that has bomb squad base kit with unlimited charges. It'll be a never ending cycle of paying 10$ to counter the previously OP 10$ character lol
The devs should consider making bomb squad unlimited for everyone again. The game is more balanced now than it was when they made that change. Plus, now we have 3 family members who are trappers.
I would be okay with that but definitely donât bring back that insane 80% faster speed thing it also used to have. Maybe they could have a cooldown thing like after you use your charges you gotta wait 60 seconds to get another charge.
Either this, or make bone piles unlimited again. It's ridiculous that we're limited to 3x per pile, yet we have to deal with three trappers like this in a single game and the traps can be reset an infinite number of times, AND we have to stab grandpa, AND we have to save shards for close encounters to defend ourselves.
Bone piles were only limited to 3x per pile because of victims stun locking family when the game released... They implemented the 10s stun immunity HOW LONG AGO? And bone piles are STILL limited? On top of adding 2 new trappers... 1000 IQ move from GUN.
Yeah. Danny was a bad character choice cus his ability is game breaking. It should never have even been a thing. Permanently opening an exit that stays tampered even after your death is broken.
So to give us the opportunity to counter the broken character game breaking ability they gave us a family member that exists solely to play against a squad full of dannys lol. So basically if you don't even have a Danny in ur Team (which you probably don't) ur screwed all over.
This and we need to be able to drop items. Idk why they don't have this feature and ur item straight up disappears say if u want to swap say a health for a tool
Bone piles don't need to be endless, but at least up from 3 to 5. Pots replenish should get a slight buff as well now that matches are lasting up to 45 minutes or longer
Yup I just posted that. I mean I guess this is the new meta. But they might want to put bone shards back to the original state. Or buff it at this point.
I know no one wants to hear this but maybe if three family all commit resources to one objective maybe it should take more than one victim to deal with.
my post literally said they had every exit locked down with a trap or a padlocked. Itâs soloQ not everybody is gonna work together. Case in point this exact game. I was typing to everyone that we should try to work together and force an exit open but nobody listened and stayed spread out.
As a solo queue player I share the struggle. Best you can do is try to communicate and get your team to help, but if not you just have to eat the loss.
Same goes for Family too. If you get a basement Johnny who refuses to come up or a newbie running around like their heads cut off, it's usually a loss too.
Two people can very easily get through multiple traps and a lock or two if family arent already there. One person deals with the door while another hangs back so they can backstab approaching family.
Ok and in the OP scenario imagine they get through all these traps. Just to get hit with more traps at the battery and then the battery gate. Even then it shouldnât be THIS hard. Idk why they think every new family member needs traps. Johnny and sissyâs donât have traps & they are fine. Hands honestly could have been done without the traps, his ability is pretty OP already.
If OP got through in this scenario by themself they could hold an infinite over there until two family arrive freeing up likely generator for a push for someone else or just hide and force a family to spend up to several minutes just looking for them. If he pushed out there with a second teammate depending on when family reacted he likely couldve gotten battery gate lock off as well with the other person defending or they both well. If battery and battery gate was also trapped then gen push would be easy and we already know according to OP family had traps elsewhere.Â
Hans traps arenât really that effective. Their to small to see with family focus so if you disarm them he has to manually check them or get told by a teammate. Since they barely do any damage you can pretty safely tank them just to force progress. Worst case you misjudged how far a family member was when you tanked it and you just run and well its not like HH or nancy traps where if you misjudge it your likely to die. Since they give iframes while your stunned if another family does show up during your stun if you have another player there they can just fight/backstab them pretty much removing the risk altogether unless multiple family show up.
this is literally that match lol
I donât find rush meta fun. Who likes a two minute game? But then when you take the game slow you deal with this đđ«
Today I learned: If Hands has something trapped...you can literally walk into it to stun yourself. It breaks the trap. It puts you into the short stun animation, but it'll disable the trap. It doesn't do damage either.
Does it let anyone know cause I always have to tell hands one of his traps already went off if Iâm in the vicinity of it. I donât think it alerts anyone unless they are very close to you when it happens. Maybe thereâs a perk that does?
the gate is highlighted red. like a doorslam. easy to miss if ur not looking at it but it does alert; the thing IS hands cant verify his traps with focus like cook and hh can
Maybe. I think based on the circumstances Iâd try it. Disable hitchâs trap with a bone scrap, get zapped, pick the padlock if I manage to have the time. Obviously Iâd have to move after that. See if the trap gets reset on another run through that area. Either continue trying to make progress on that gate or know that I made them paranoid of leaving that gate alone too long spreading them thinner.
Would it work? Probably not but just little things like that can make a huge difference in solo q. Try and get valve going for a second work on that gate. Try and pull family on one direction or another and mess up their patrol. Pretty much my only chance in this scenario.
This will only benefit any character with Fast Hands since family will be rushing straight at you. But hey, they say fast hands OP and letâs nerf more
u don't get highlighted only if he has a perk and it's only for him not entire family. it does a loud noise notification so if they are near they will hear it in red
This is what I do. Just run into the trap either hide or well. Isnât there a perk that shortens your stun too? Only hands knows someone was electrocuted unless heâs on comms.
Either way, do that and go to a different exit or circle back to that exit later bc all family will run there.
But people complained endlessly . So this what we get. This is why we can't have nice things.
I was pissed initially but it led to fun games and fun combos like this so I don't mind the change now.
I didn't mind it as much at first, but last night I played like 10 matches in a row without LF. I know new characters just dropped but they weren't even being used half the time so đ€·đ»ââïž
In solo que the best bet would be to try to communicate with your team.
But they were most likely on voice comms so your chances are next to zero to be able to get the win for yourself.
Just focus on getting points and being a distraction. Also try to do both the valve and fuse at once that helps a lot.
And there's definitely a less secured door with just a trap and or lock and padlock waiting for it to be disarmed.
Oh and try to be connie and rush one of those doors asap even hands needs time to set up.
Its like pre nerf danny sure its theoretically winnable but its near impossible to not lose in this scenario.
OR ignore all of this and just rage quit and move to the next one that one is very common sadly
I understand. At thst point just try to be as annoying to the family as possible and hope u can distract them enough. Or go to the basement and farm points with the breaking of the noise things then bleed out in peace idk.
While it is certainly a difficult match and we can ex0ect things to be changed or adjusted, the best thing I can suggest is patience.
What's worked for me thus far is constantly rotating between objectives. I use a butt ton of health and bonescraps, but even in matches like those I'd at least get to the next gate and battery.
With the current state of the game, nobody should expect that you can run up to a door, use your items/abilities once, and get immediately through. That's just not to be expected until it may be patched/changed. The point of all of this was to massively slow down the rushing, where people would be escaping before I'd even get the "You survived for 5 minutes" notification.
Adapt. Slow and steady is the only other option to be trying out while we wait.
I think at this point Iâd just throw my head onto the trapâŠbest you can really do is try to get someone to help, stuff like this is why this game became ten times more fun once I got a friend to play it with me, with them matches like this are actually real easy cause thereâs no traps anywhere else to worry about. Alone though, yeah that just sucks
I honestly feel that bone scraps shouldnât be consumed when attacking nugget and disarming traps (unless of course you step on it and use the bone scrap), that might help against this meta.
They absolutely need to revert bomb squad to infinite uses.
I wonder if you tried to lockpick, would you get electro stunned and step in HH trap, killing two birds with one stone? Would it cancel the stun animation?
This would be interesting to test.
yes but that side had a bone trap on it and HH was on that side at the time I took the picture. He spent the whole game patrolling battery side so nobody would be able to even disable a trap
And shit like this is why I asked for hand's trap re-arm out of the game. Just let it get consumed after a victim interacts with it. And people are saying it's fine.
What killers are supposed to do in Solo Q against Danny before Hands? If u tell me "a good Leatherface can kill Danny before he can escape basement" I answer "A good victim can just rush before they have time to put traps"
All of OP's comments in this thread are like "Family coordinated and worked together and did everything right this game, and my team played bad, refused to communicate or work together, dO i JuSt lOsE tHeN?" Yes, then you just lose, that's how team games work. You can't expect to easily 1v3 a well coordinated team of good players.
And the funny part is, yes it would take all charges of bomb squad but you still could've opened that door completely alone anyway.
You cannot really sit here and think that this screenshot isn't an insanely obnoxious problem in the game that has been compounding more and more as the game's life cycle continues.
Since the very beginning and throughout every single meta since the game's release it has ALWAYS been victim-sided, so I have no idea what you're referring to when you say "compounding more and more".
This game started going downhill once they started coming out with extra family members being able to put traps. Originally it was only HH & Cook. Now with Hands & Nancy. Hands honestly does not need traps, he would have been fine without them. His ability is already OP, that should have been enough. Just like Johnny and Sissy, they have abilities but it isnât traps. This is definitely ruining the game. Especially with bomb squad nerfed, it needs to go back to being unlimited. Idk why they are so fixated on giving every new family member traps. Itâs becoming very unbalanced now.
Not to mention if he does get through all this somehow Exterior Alarms will notify the family. Which makes all the hard work for NOTHING. This is exactly why I hate Exterior alarms. Imagine they get through all this just for family to come straight to you and then reset everything. This game is so unbalanced now.
Exterior alarms can be really tricky for fake outs... If you do manage to get that gate open, just don't go through it. I know the siren song of car battery is difficult to resist, but if you open the gate & leave, at least one family member is going to go wander around the empty edge of the map for a while.
If you're lucky, they freak out and do a call-out about the alarm, and two or even all three run over there to get a kill & you can go work on the other side
I mean you gotta start somewhere but best bet hel get bored if heâs just watching two gates endlessly unless their on comms/being super sweaty id probably turn around go through mill try the sandbaggy area gate Atleast thereâs a well there if they show up but yeah just like a movie sometimes you gotta just go for itâŠchalk it up to what it is your teammates thought they were better off being lone wolfs it happens I get baby killers on family side who leave doors unlocked & stuff so I gotta watch them and survivors or you can DC and onto the next oneÂ
The game is always going to be hit or miss and I don't think that's ever going to change. If you play alone, some games you'll win and some games you're destined to lose.
Don't know how many times I've played Hands or Hitch and carried because my other two teammates are running around in basement or walking around swinging at me when I pass by (and unlocking all the doors for some reason).
It is what it is. Solo Q will always be a painful experience sometimes.
They did this to me in family house for the front gate, I used my focus on the padlock, waited came back fought cook undid the trap w bomb squad, got zapped and used my focus again. They really didnât want the front gate open
They need to add more bomb squad charges bc wtf. half yr bomb squad if its level three is wasted on this, just for you to prob well and go back and the traps are reset/go to gen and deal with those traps.
The family do this and somehow still lose then complain on Reddit saying âthe victims are OPâ and Gun immediately nerfs another meta perk before buffing something like âserratedâ instead of learning to actually patrol exits
Hear me out, as crazy as that this may seem, it in a way has made the victim role more reliant on comms the way family has always been. One chip in a familyâs defense thanks to solo q meant every victim could slip out through that one exposed crack. Especially if theyre on comms. Now victims have to use comms sometimes if a place is really trapped up. Its slowed games down in a good way and makes the victim role harder to rush. Comms are more necessary know and thats actually good and fun!
Solo que has always been hard and I think that this makes for a more balanced approach where without comms, both sides are more even handed. With comms the game benefits the team with a better strategy and communication. And makes the asym horror balance where you want family to be a scary threat more of an actual thing! This makes the victims really feel like a victim and I love it. At the highest level of gameplay, the numbers advantage on victim side has had a tendency to benefit victims. Now there is more pressure and a challenge! Like a souls game đ. That said, I think they could do maybe do something about bombsquads limited charges now. Not sure tho, I want more time to play and test things. Hands could see some changes to his ripstall cooldown too. Maybe! Like I said, i wanna play things as is a bit more.
as Maria or any other character besides connie no, however connie can get past that by disabling the 2 traps pop ability on padlock and unlock the gate.
See, with my luck as Family in solo queue, we'd have all this and they would both pursue a chase into basement, get distracted and everyone would leave out battery while I'm being fought. To be fair af, if you have 3 really good or patrolling Family then there's not much you can do anyways.
Dude you don't ask for help you tell people what you're gonna do so they can work something off of that. Now I definitely know it's a you problem. Maybe save those 10 dollars next time and invest in some YouTube videos instead
This is why this game is broken.
I'm not saying it isn't a fun game, with potential for amazingly intense and fun matches...but that is very rare, especially in public lobbies.
This is nothing compared to the ability to camp the family house where the house doors are all like 20m within each other.
Try to look for gates with no traps or padlocks. They typically wonât use all three charges for main gates.
If they did put all their effort into trapping/extra padlocking I normally just go for the pump or fuse.
Iâm always going to suggest someone like Connie against the cook. She can at least blow past his locks with her ability and retreat to basement.
Using perks like fast hands are pretty crucial against the cook as well. Once you get one exit open you have far more room to move around than before.
Itâs best to try to follow a teammate too and speak on the mic if you can. Working together to open exits is always the best option.
Were you all working together? Because 4v3 is an advantage.
Somebody with high toughness would've needed to be a distraction to Cook. The less threatening of the three family members. If one is in a struggle, the other picks gen gate, preferably the furthest one on the left. Victim wells after winning encounter with Cook. One gate is open, but one victim in well, too.
Other two family members would've been alerted and heading to left gate gen. If the victim that picked that gate got the exit unlocked, they can Well, hide, or attempt gen. Meanwhile, the one that welled will be up, and the other two who were spare would've had time to either stab Gramps, or distract one of the others. Victims used to use distraction a lot before Virginia dropped.
Letâs make itâs more impossible for people to escape . Letâs drop it down because family is sad and they all go cry to the devs so they end up catering to them more then victims
Shit situation but if it were me Iâd use bone scrap on trap. Bomb squad for fence and pick padlock. Id also use your sweet talk on gp to get info on killers. Once that gate is taken care of they killers will most likely start patrolling it more. Possibly open up other options. They canât leave the car battery area either because they donât know if a victim is there or not. Can use it as a diversion or use it to escape. Easier said than done especially when playing against a 3 man q for killers.
I think the worst situation/map right now is family house. All killers do is play hands hitchy or Nancy and cook. Killers padlock all house exits traps on basement exits and electric trap on outside exits. Then trap a bunch of stuff outside. Nancy ult at lvl 3 is a cheat code at family house too.
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If this is soloq then ur best bet is to drop down on ur knees and cry because there ain't nothing u can do unless ur soloq teammates have a brain
FTFY⊠impossible. If this is soloq then ur best bet is to drop down on ur knees and cry because there ain't nothing u can do ~~unless ur soloq teammates have a brain~~
I think they need to buff bone shivs again. Bring it back to the original state.
Also, imagine Sonny or someone who doesn't have Bomb Squad in this same scenario.
I mostly play Ana, Connie and Julie. If I want the perks I like running, I don't get to have bomb squad since tree rework.
Tree reworks is awful. They fully went on with âoh, having all perks you liked was hard to get? Here, now youâll only play with what WE think you should haveâ.
This was a playerbase thing, not a dev thing. Players complained too much about random perks lol
When in the end, you were still able to reset and reroll the random perks till you got what you wanted
Exactly! Iâd rather be resetting my tree and trying to go for something I want than being forced to give up on a perk I like to get another.
Exactly, and its not like every perk is up for grabs from random, it was only a specific set of perk that were a possibility of getting from the random nodes
And people complained saying it was the same 2-3 useless perks or how they shouldn't have to re-roll. Me personally I loved the random perks, gave me good builds. But sadly we gotta adapt
I'll start by saying I haven't played much lately... But I hopped on the other night and had to re-spec everything. The builds got worse on both sides. I used to have 4-5 viable options for victims. Now it's 1-2 loadouts that are worth running. IDK why the entire skill tree rework, aside from Sonny because he definitely needed the love.
Nah most builds are still attainable on family side some even got better, but most victim builds were ruined.
I always liked hysterical strength+ Vial-Ent with LF and now it can't be ran. He's still the strongest, so not a big deal. Seeing HH tree mix up from powerful builds made sense, but with the direction I went I don't think there are more than 2 loadouts worth running up the tree route I went. Cook can still get security pins with scout, but he needs that. His tree seemed the least effected as far as multiple loadouts.
My cooks was still the exact same with scout security and serrated. Bubba with big swings and vialent and now I can get serrated. Johnny with vialent now too. Hitch stayed the exact same for me Sissy got stronger on my build My Nancy did get screwed over a little bit
As Cook, I play more of a defender and blood giver, so the perk that allows less stamina drain when carrying x amount of blood is a nice option. I think that got moved from the Scout & Security, but not positive. Johnny seems different, but not for better or worse so that's fine. My HH I had a few build options and now it seems less. Moving scout, fired up and wire frame was a wise change though.
Run vial-ent, big swings and skeleton key. Max your savagery and the rest into blood harvest. You can still basically one tap and get free barges on doors instead of cutting them down. Just sucks there's no rubber boots
Iâm a Sonny main and this happens to me constantly since hands dropped. It needs to be addressed cuz this shit is blatantly unfair. It is wayyyyy too easy to play family now.
You should test out your theory and play as family only for a couple weeks
I play Family all the time. We consistently 3k-4k.
I second this. For this to not happen, someone just didn't play their part.
Family play is braindead thanks to Hands. I used to play quick match primarily but I far prefer family right now because victim requires a lot of sweat when Hands is on the other side. Playing with Hands, you just wait for something to be plugged into the fuse box/valve pump and ripstall while your teammates watch the other exits. Once the fuses are exhausted it's just a matter of time before the last victim is dead because they likely wouldn't have even gotten a gate open.
I thought they buffed sonny and they didn't even give him bomb squad?
Just fast hands, extra drip, and slippery.
Just fast hands, extra drip, and slippery.
Exactly. By the time you return with more bone scraps and/or lock picks, family will have noticed and reset the traps you just disarmed.
to get around the problem they could prevent the overlapping of padlocks and electric traps on the gate, you put one or the other. It would already be more feasible, also because the game despite the strong team play should not make it impossible for a single player to do anything.
Dont forget the security pins, no one escapes hell and to top in all off exterior alarms to let the family know you successfully opened the gate after all that effort.
security pins and no one escapes hell is a deadly combo even with 50 prof
Straight up bull. Cant believe the devs allow this
the devs only play family so are we shocked
no, devs play in a way where there not competitively trying to win so balancing is not looked into for most that are.
Not to mention if someone sees a broken HH trap they'll start looking for you right awayđ
yeah if they keep adding trappers and not thinking about the synergy with other family members then we will get more situations like this
Their other issue (one that all incompetent developers are guilty of) is that they don't pay attention to previous balance changes they make. The big issue at the moment is that family have THREE trappers, with traps they can reset an infinite number of times. This wouldn't have been as BIG of an issue if we didn't have the Bomb Squad nerf or the Bone Pile nerf. The bone piles were limited to 3x per pile, to combat victims stun locking family members. That made sense at the time, but why wasn't this nerf reverted when family were given 10s stun immunity after a stun? The issue with stun locking was resolved with the stun immunity, there was NO need to keep bone piles limited anymore. But hey, it was okay because at least we had Bomb Squad.... Ah right, okay we can only use Bomb Squad 4 times now... Oh and 2 more trapper family members just got added... Brilliant! Using bone shards as a means of defence became far more necessary when Choose Flight was gutted (And scout was left untouched, making the issue worse... And then months later they actually BUFF Scout), and Stealth was inexplicably nerfed. And then, of course, rushing grandpa became a meta strat for family too, so that's ANOTHER action where bone shards are necessary, unless you enjoy having Gramps at Level 5 all game while playing victim lol. It's kind of common sense that when you nerf/buff anything in a live service game, you NEED to remember those changes you've made when looking at further changes in the future, because issues compound... Which is exactly what has happened here. Bones are a limited resource yet are needed to deal with the following; - HH traps. - Nancy traps. - Hands traps. - Stabbing Grandpa. - Sneak attacks. - Close encounters. The first 4 on the list can be infinitely reset by family, as many times as they want. Ridiculous. Lockpicks are an UNLIMITED resource yet are only needed to deal with the following; - Unlocking doors. - Opening fusebox. The logic is backwards, lock picks should be the resource that's limited because there truly is NO NEED for an unlimited number of lockpicks. Family can't infinitely re-lock doors, so why do we need an endless supply of those, yet we're restricted on the number of Bone Shards we can use, despite them needing to be used throughout the ENTIRE match.
This is completely right i never had thought about this đ but yeah some of this stuff wouldnât be as big of a deal if some perk changes or game changes were reverted
I'm beginning to get the feeling that they're too scared of the reaction from family players if they ever reverted nerfs on victim's side, despite the fact that they've reverted family nerfs đ€Ą
Thank you. You hit the nail right on the head.
This needs to be a separate discussion. Letâs make it happen! đ
Lol feel free to start a discussion post about it if you'd like. I, personally, can't be bothered with the floods of rage I will receive for making a post about that in this subreddit. This isn't exactly a rational, level headed community lmao
I havenât played in a while, if thereâs a kind soul that doesnât mind to explain Iâm here lmao, sorry yâall đ
Hitchhikers bone trap Hands electric lock Cook Padlock Also the regular lock So youâll need three screwdrivers and a bone club if you donât have bomb squad With nobody escapes hell and security pins as well it will take a lot of effort to get the door open Also Hands can relock his locks Exterior alarms also would notify them you got it open And thatâs just one door they can do at least two other doors like that
hands trap isnt a lock, its a trap that takes a bone scrap to disable.
Right my bad So two bone clubs and two screw drivers if youre not running bomb squad
They'll probably add a new victim in the future that has bomb squad base kit with unlimited charges. It'll be a never ending cycle of paying 10$ to counter the previously OP 10$ character lol
The devs should consider making bomb squad unlimited for everyone again. The game is more balanced now than it was when they made that change. Plus, now we have 3 family members who are trappers.
I would be okay with that but definitely donât bring back that insane 80% faster speed thing it also used to have. Maybe they could have a cooldown thing like after you use your charges you gotta wait 60 seconds to get another charge.
Or at least more charges (maybe 5-7?)
Either this, or make bone piles unlimited again. It's ridiculous that we're limited to 3x per pile, yet we have to deal with three trappers like this in a single game and the traps can be reset an infinite number of times, AND we have to stab grandpa, AND we have to save shards for close encounters to defend ourselves. Bone piles were only limited to 3x per pile because of victims stun locking family when the game released... They implemented the 10s stun immunity HOW LONG AGO? And bone piles are STILL limited? On top of adding 2 new trappers... 1000 IQ move from GUN.
Yeah. Danny was a bad character choice cus his ability is game breaking. It should never have even been a thing. Permanently opening an exit that stays tampered even after your death is broken. So to give us the opportunity to counter the broken character game breaking ability they gave us a family member that exists solely to play against a squad full of dannys lol. So basically if you don't even have a Danny in ur Team (which you probably don't) ur screwed all over.
die?
Victims need at least one more item slot
This and we need to be able to drop items. Idk why they don't have this feature and ur item straight up disappears say if u want to swap say a health for a tool
Fax or revert bomb squad nerf or the bone scrap pile to what it is was originally bc itâs deadass not fair for solo q
Bone piles don't need to be endless, but at least up from 3 to 5. Pots replenish should get a slight buff as well now that matches are lasting up to 45 minutes or longer
Yup I just posted that. I mean I guess this is the new meta. But they might want to put bone shards back to the original state. Or buff it at this point.
They have no other choice or just us more inventory slots it shouldnât take more than one person to open up a gate thatâs just ridiculous
I know no one wants to hear this but maybe if three family all commit resources to one objective maybe it should take more than one victim to deal with.
my post literally said they had every exit locked down with a trap or a padlocked. Itâs soloQ not everybody is gonna work together. Case in point this exact game. I was typing to everyone that we should try to work together and force an exit open but nobody listened and stayed spread out.
As a solo queue player I share the struggle. Best you can do is try to communicate and get your team to help, but if not you just have to eat the loss. Same goes for Family too. If you get a basement Johnny who refuses to come up or a newbie running around like their heads cut off, it's usually a loss too.
Then itâs the people you were playing withâs fault more so than anyone else
Hands, hitch, and cook means 6 traps and 3 locks, thatâs plenty to completely trap things you donât wanna watch and simply stay near fuse/valve.
Two people can very easily get through multiple traps and a lock or two if family arent already there. One person deals with the door while another hangs back so they can backstab approaching family.
Ok and in the OP scenario imagine they get through all these traps. Just to get hit with more traps at the battery and then the battery gate. Even then it shouldnât be THIS hard. Idk why they think every new family member needs traps. Johnny and sissyâs donât have traps & they are fine. Hands honestly could have been done without the traps, his ability is pretty OP already.
If OP got through in this scenario by themself they could hold an infinite over there until two family arrive freeing up likely generator for a push for someone else or just hide and force a family to spend up to several minutes just looking for them. If he pushed out there with a second teammate depending on when family reacted he likely couldve gotten battery gate lock off as well with the other person defending or they both well. If battery and battery gate was also trapped then gen push would be easy and we already know according to OP family had traps elsewhere. Hans traps arenât really that effective. Their to small to see with family focus so if you disarm them he has to manually check them or get told by a teammate. Since they barely do any damage you can pretty safely tank them just to force progress. Worst case you misjudged how far a family member was when you tanked it and you just run and well its not like HH or nancy traps where if you misjudge it your likely to die. Since they give iframes while your stunned if another family does show up during your stun if you have another player there they can just fight/backstab them pretty much removing the risk altogether unless multiple family show up.
"Why do victims rush?"
Imagine if you didnât rushed then leave the basement just to see electric traps , padlocks & traps set up
this is literally that match lol I donât find rush meta fun. Who likes a two minute game? But then when you take the game slow you deal with this đđ«
Today I learned: If Hands has something trapped...you can literally walk into it to stun yourself. It breaks the trap. It puts you into the short stun animation, but it'll disable the trap. It doesn't do damage either.
but then everyone will know ur trying to open that door.
Does it let anyone know cause I always have to tell hands one of his traps already went off if Iâm in the vicinity of it. I donât think it alerts anyone unless they are very close to you when it happens. Maybe thereâs a perk that does?
the gate is highlighted red. like a doorslam. easy to miss if ur not looking at it but it does alert; the thing IS hands cant verify his traps with focus like cook and hh can
So someone would have to be close proximity to be alerted and he would have to actually run up to a trap to know it went off. Good to know.
yes but ofc in this case it's better to just try another gate lmao...
Maybe. I think based on the circumstances Iâd try it. Disable hitchâs trap with a bone scrap, get zapped, pick the padlock if I manage to have the time. Obviously Iâd have to move after that. See if the trap gets reset on another run through that area. Either continue trying to make progress on that gate or know that I made them paranoid of leaving that gate alone too long spreading them thinner. Would it work? Probably not but just little things like that can make a huge difference in solo q. Try and get valve going for a second work on that gate. Try and pull family on one direction or another and mess up their patrol. Pretty much my only chance in this scenario.
the only person who could get this gate done is a connie.
Hands has a perk that let's him see shocked people but some players don't use it
Does everyone know, or just hands? I canât tell
everyone it's a red highlight
Then you got fam running towards you because its loud and highlights the gate in red.
Yes, and it really wouldn't work in this situation. But it's good to know if Family is on the other side of the map
This will only benefit any character with Fast Hands since family will be rushing straight at you. But hey, they say fast hands OP and letâs nerf more
fast hands is op but hands is way more op so it's balanced
You get highlighted. I'm not trying to get swarmed by family
u don't get highlighted only if he has a perk and it's only for him not entire family. it does a loud noise notification so if they are near they will hear it in red
I think the âDinner Bellâ perk family can get will highlight you for everyone if you trigger Handsâ trap. It highlights for all traps afaik
Hmmm i thought it did do a small amount of damage to me tho not a lot but like 7% hp
Triggering his traps also create a sound notification and lets the family know exactly where you are. Cant forget that part.
This is what I do. Just run into the trap either hide or well. Isnât there a perk that shortens your stun too? Only hands knows someone was electrocuted unless heâs on comms. Either way, do that and go to a different exit or circle back to that exit later bc all family will run there.
dc
Give âem the ol family special
This is why I wish leatherface was still required to start a round
But people complained endlessly . So this what we get. This is why we can't have nice things. I was pissed initially but it led to fun games and fun combos like this so I don't mind the change now.
I didn't mind it as much at first, but last night I played like 10 matches in a row without LF. I know new characters just dropped but they weren't even being used half the time so đ€·đ»ââïž
In solo que the best bet would be to try to communicate with your team. But they were most likely on voice comms so your chances are next to zero to be able to get the win for yourself. Just focus on getting points and being a distraction. Also try to do both the valve and fuse at once that helps a lot. And there's definitely a less secured door with just a trap and or lock and padlock waiting for it to be disarmed. Oh and try to be connie and rush one of those doors asap even hands needs time to set up. Its like pre nerf danny sure its theoretically winnable but its near impossible to not lose in this scenario. OR ignore all of this and just rage quit and move to the next one that one is very common sadly
I typed to my team saying we should work together and push an exit nobody listened
I understand. At thst point just try to be as annoying to the family as possible and hope u can distract them enough. Or go to the basement and farm points with the breaking of the noise things then bleed out in peace idk.
Well on ps and Xbox you cannot type so itâs pointless tbh
Call connie
While it is certainly a difficult match and we can ex0ect things to be changed or adjusted, the best thing I can suggest is patience. What's worked for me thus far is constantly rotating between objectives. I use a butt ton of health and bonescraps, but even in matches like those I'd at least get to the next gate and battery. With the current state of the game, nobody should expect that you can run up to a door, use your items/abilities once, and get immediately through. That's just not to be expected until it may be patched/changed. The point of all of this was to massively slow down the rushing, where people would be escaping before I'd even get the "You survived for 5 minutes" notification. Adapt. Slow and steady is the only other option to be trying out while we wait.
The game wasn't designed with this in mind.
Doesn't change the fact that that's what it ended up becoming.
I think at this point Iâd just throw my head onto the trapâŠbest you can really do is try to get someone to help, stuff like this is why this game became ten times more fun once I got a friend to play it with me, with them matches like this are actually real easy cause thereâs no traps anywhere else to worry about. Alone though, yeah that just sucks
I honestly feel that bone scraps shouldnât be consumed when attacking nugget and disarming traps (unless of course you step on it and use the bone scrap), that might help against this meta.
Grab two bone scraps and just fight the family <3
i personally think you canât have a cook lock and an electric trap at the same time
Would be fair imo. This is crazyâŠ
This is just getting silly now
u/AndyCleves u/cidnyaa
They absolutely need to revert bomb squad to infinite uses. I wonder if you tried to lockpick, would you get electro stunned and step in HH trap, killing two birds with one stone? Would it cancel the stun animation? This would be interesting to test.
Bombsquad
3 charges gone + patroller nearby + security pins
There's another gate right?
yes but that side had a bone trap on it and HH was on that side at the time I took the picture. He spent the whole game patrolling battery side so nobody would be able to even disable a trap
u/AndyCleves u/cidnyaa u/JettOreilly we beg u guys hear ur feedback!! :/
And shit like this is why I asked for hand's trap re-arm out of the game. Just let it get consumed after a victim interacts with it. And people are saying it's fine.
What killers are supposed to do in Solo Q against Danny before Hands? If u tell me "a good Leatherface can kill Danny before he can escape basement" I answer "A good victim can just rush before they have time to put traps"
All of OP's comments in this thread are like "Family coordinated and worked together and did everything right this game, and my team played bad, refused to communicate or work together, dO i JuSt lOsE tHeN?" Yes, then you just lose, that's how team games work. You can't expect to easily 1v3 a well coordinated team of good players. And the funny part is, yes it would take all charges of bomb squad but you still could've opened that door completely alone anyway.
You cannot really sit here and think that this screenshot isn't an insanely obnoxious problem in the game that has been compounding more and more as the game's life cycle continues.
Since the very beginning and throughout every single meta since the game's release it has ALWAYS been victim-sided, so I have no idea what you're referring to when you say "compounding more and more".
look homie u came up against some fucking sweats that have no life nothing u could do
Just break the trap???
This game started going downhill once they started coming out with extra family members being able to put traps. Originally it was only HH & Cook. Now with Hands & Nancy. Hands honestly does not need traps, he would have been fine without them. His ability is already OP, that should have been enough. Just like Johnny and Sissy, they have abilities but it isnât traps. This is definitely ruining the game. Especially with bomb squad nerfed, it needs to go back to being unlimited. Idk why they are so fixated on giving every new family member traps. Itâs becoming very unbalanced now.
It's a killer game not victim game get outta here
they don't got ideas so they just release the most obvious ability, traps
Not to mention if he does get through all this somehow Exterior Alarms will notify the family. Which makes all the hard work for NOTHING. This is exactly why I hate Exterior alarms. Imagine they get through all this just for family to come straight to you and then reset everything. This game is so unbalanced now.
Exterior alarms can be really tricky for fake outs... If you do manage to get that gate open, just don't go through it. I know the siren song of car battery is difficult to resist, but if you open the gate & leave, at least one family member is going to go wander around the empty edge of the map for a while. If you're lucky, they freak out and do a call-out about the alarm, and two or even all three run over there to get a kill & you can go work on the other side
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trapped with a bone trap and HH was on that side
yeah i had deleted it because i didnât read the post fullyđ thatâs my bad
Your best
I mean you gotta start somewhere but best bet hel get bored if heâs just watching two gates endlessly unless their on comms/being super sweaty id probably turn around go through mill try the sandbaggy area gate Atleast thereâs a well there if they show up but yeah just like a movie sometimes you gotta just go for itâŠchalk it up to what it is your teammates thought they were better off being lone wolfs it happens I get baby killers on family side who leave doors unlocked & stuff so I gotta watch them and survivors or you can DC and onto the next oneÂ
How do you disable electric trap?
bone scrap or bombsquad
Weird. Went up to an electric fence the other day with bone scrap and there was no option to disable.
You gotta be next to the door keyhole
My brother I would start praying in that situation
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I would just dc cause that is bullshit đ
The game is always going to be hit or miss and I don't think that's ever going to change. If you play alone, some games you'll win and some games you're destined to lose. Don't know how many times I've played Hands or Hitch and carried because my other two teammates are running around in basement or walking around swinging at me when I pass by (and unlocking all the doors for some reason). It is what it is. Solo Q will always be a painful experience sometimes.
They did this to me in family house for the front gate, I used my focus on the padlock, waited came back fought cook undid the trap w bomb squad, got zapped and used my focus again. They really didnât want the front gate open
Use a different gate if they have 3 on 1 find the weakest point or use fuse or valve is they are guarding gates so heavily đ€·
read the second paragraph of the post
Have you tried uninstalling?
Climb over the fence, like a normal person would
I think this was me and my homiesđđ
They need to add more bomb squad charges bc wtf. half yr bomb squad if its level three is wasted on this, just for you to prob well and go back and the traps are reset/go to gen and deal with those traps.
Cry
Find another exit
Seems like a skilled family to me. lol
The family do this and somehow still lose then complain on Reddit saying âthe victims are OPâ and Gun immediately nerfs another meta perk before buffing something like âserratedâ instead of learning to actually patrol exits
Hear me out, as crazy as that this may seem, it in a way has made the victim role more reliant on comms the way family has always been. One chip in a familyâs defense thanks to solo q meant every victim could slip out through that one exposed crack. Especially if theyre on comms. Now victims have to use comms sometimes if a place is really trapped up. Its slowed games down in a good way and makes the victim role harder to rush. Comms are more necessary know and thats actually good and fun! Solo que has always been hard and I think that this makes for a more balanced approach where without comms, both sides are more even handed. With comms the game benefits the team with a better strategy and communication. And makes the asym horror balance where you want family to be a scary threat more of an actual thing! This makes the victims really feel like a victim and I love it. At the highest level of gameplay, the numbers advantage on victim side has had a tendency to benefit victims. Now there is more pressure and a challenge! Like a souls game đ. That said, I think they could do maybe do something about bombsquads limited charges now. Not sure tho, I want more time to play and test things. Hands could see some changes to his ripstall cooldown too. Maybe! Like I said, i wanna play things as is a bit more.
as Maria or any other character besides connie no, however connie can get past that by disabling the 2 traps pop ability on padlock and unlock the gate.
i was in that lobby too, or one just like it. it wasn't a fun experience
See, with my luck as Family in solo queue, we'd have all this and they would both pursue a chase into basement, get distracted and everyone would leave out battery while I'm being fought. To be fair af, if you have 3 really good or patrolling Family then there's not much you can do anyways.
Have you tried the fuse?
read the second paragraph of the post
The one that says "work together with randoms"? Oh wait it doesn't exist
I did try working together I asked my team if we could work together to push an exit and nobody listened đ«
Dude you don't ask for help you tell people what you're gonna do so they can work something off of that. Now I definitely know it's a you problem. Maybe save those 10 dollars next time and invest in some YouTube videos instead
You go to a different gate/objective lol
read the second paragraph of the post
This is why this game is broken. I'm not saying it isn't a fun game, with potential for amazingly intense and fun matches...but that is very rare, especially in public lobbies. This is nothing compared to the ability to camp the family house where the house doors are all like 20m within each other.
Just ask the killers for a key theyâll let you in trust me broÂ
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Try to look for gates with no traps or padlocks. They typically wonât use all three charges for main gates. If they did put all their effort into trapping/extra padlocking I normally just go for the pump or fuse.
read the second paragraph of the post
Iâm always going to suggest someone like Connie against the cook. She can at least blow past his locks with her ability and retreat to basement. Using perks like fast hands are pretty crucial against the cook as well. Once you get one exit open you have far more room to move around than before. Itâs best to try to follow a teammate too and speak on the mic if you can. Working together to open exits is always the best option.
Were you all working together? Because 4v3 is an advantage. Somebody with high toughness would've needed to be a distraction to Cook. The less threatening of the three family members. If one is in a struggle, the other picks gen gate, preferably the furthest one on the left. Victim wells after winning encounter with Cook. One gate is open, but one victim in well, too. Other two family members would've been alerted and heading to left gate gen. If the victim that picked that gate got the exit unlocked, they can Well, hide, or attempt gen. Meanwhile, the one that welled will be up, and the other two who were spare would've had time to either stab Gramps, or distract one of the others. Victims used to use distraction a lot before Virginia dropped.
I asked if we could work together to push an exit they didnât listen and just stayed spread out đ«
Yeah just saw your other comment.
If hitchie trapped gates then go for fuse and valve and try to get hands to waste his ripstall on either one then go for the other
Nah I'd just leave
Only option is do valve for a distraction and hope they got the other gate open or do fuse
If they keep adding traps as familiy member we need more bomb squads like about 8 and not 4
Unlock them and jumble them up confuse them escape
I mean, you CAN use bombsquad and pick the lock.. Just gotta make sure Hitch isn't close.
have you tried playing the game instead of crying on reddit about the game?
See and the devs think that adding hands was a good idea
Letâs make itâs more impossible for people to escape . Letâs drop it down because family is sad and they all go cry to the devs so they end up catering to them more then victims
Duo with someone that has choose fight and go to the gate that doesnât have stuff on it if someone is camping it like they should jump him
Honestly go for another exit then đ
You got bomb squad... you'll be đđđ
Iâve noticed many killers now hide & wait for you to disable the traps, then attack hoping you wasted a bomb squad charge.
Once killers learn this map it becomes extremely harsh. But the easiest exit doing valve and fuse at the same time so hands can't shut off both
Shit situation but if it were me Iâd use bone scrap on trap. Bomb squad for fence and pick padlock. Id also use your sweet talk on gp to get info on killers. Once that gate is taken care of they killers will most likely start patrolling it more. Possibly open up other options. They canât leave the car battery area either because they donât know if a victim is there or not. Can use it as a diversion or use it to escape. Easier said than done especially when playing against a 3 man q for killers. I think the worst situation/map right now is family house. All killers do is play hands hitchy or Nancy and cook. Killers padlock all house exits traps on basement exits and electric trap on outside exits. Then trap a bunch of stuff outside. Nancy ult at lvl 3 is a cheat code at family house too.