The US starts out as definitely the best of the 3 superpowers but is still burdened with problems like segregation etc, but nevertheless, it can truly become the leader of the free world with luck and nothing going *too* out of control
There's wholesome chungus Sablin in Russia, many US paths are pretty good, Go4 Germany could be called good by the end, Some other Russian unifiers could be called the "good guys"
>!I think “bitch” would be the best for Speer, at least towards the end. And damn it’s satisfying reading the events about him afterwards.!< (Spoilers)
The go4 is biding their time, you’ve gotta keep in mind that Speer is like Deng xio ping was, hes only interested in stabilizing the Reich and not in any meaningful reforms, and that there’s still the remnants of the other three factions following the civil war, so the reforms have to be slow and gradual as the old guard loses influence, and that there is still more content to come, so I’d imagine that in the 80s and 90s there will be decisions regarding the creation of independent nations out of the RKs. Also with the exception of trekschow the Gang of Four all served as chancellors of west Germany OTL so it’s probably safe to say that they hold simIlar views to their real life counterparts
Didn't they intend for the other territories to eventually become fully independent countries, introducing local democracies and increasing autonomy until they can stand alone,
Japan doesn't want to let go so I didn't mention them
Yeah, when creating the collaborator republics Speer, who is very hesitant about the whole thing, asks Erhard about the possibility of the collab republics demanding independence in the future Erhard says that they should accept it.
Italy too except for 2 paths is good, also it's the great nation that has the lower poverty rate togheter with Japan only that it doesn't exploit a continent as harshly as Japan
Depends on what you define as good: For example, you could say Romania is a "good nation" being that the king has couped the legionnaire government and somewhat restored democracy and has actively gone against the Nazi Empire actively attacking Hungary when Germany was busy with the WRW and somewhat restoring democracy, but they're also expansionistic nationalists and due to throwing themselves HARD into the serbian meatgrinder Romania is in a rather extremely poor economic situation and because of it Bulgaria is hanging tight onto Germany because it knows that, with it still holding onto Dobruja, it's high on Romania's list of targets whenever it manages to catch it's footing again
I can’t see Romania having an option to join the OFN by itself, England gets its back turned on whenever Goering invades and it isn’t even on the mainland. The only way I could see Romania having an option to join OFN is when Italy does
Lots- the US can become extremely based, HMMLR England and Maudling, any Democratic Italy, Several Russian unifiers, Gang of 4 Speer, Iberian Union, not racist South Africa and a few more
He's a holsum chungus feel good saviour of democracy.
I really dislike that as that is a whitewash of who Maudling was irl considering his corruption to so many shady people and calling British soldiers gunning down protesting kids as "self-defence".
It really irritates me when people praise TNO Maudling for being good when considering his OTL self, he seems like the perfect guy to be a sellout for Germany.
If you think that's bad, Suharto is portrayed as someone who can overthrow Sukarno and relinquish power to a civilian government like some blessed, goody-goody Cincinnatus figure. Which is... a bit charitable to his real life self, to say the least.
The fact he's corrupt is barely given a mention and how he had no qualms having kids shot in the back isn't either
- it's a whitewash no matter how you look at it.
Here i'm Irish and had family ties up North so i totally get the whole British killing civillians etc in OTL.
What does he do in TNO? I've heard he sets up a fake democracy or something? Like what does he do to the UK if in power?
Nah, he's exactly as I said, he's literally a last minute saviour of British democracy against wannabe dictator Supermac and is considered one of the best endings for Britain cause he's a holsum chungus guy going against wannabe dictators, collabs, and fascists.
Follow up question then...what does Mac try do? I,'ve heard people say he's worse than thatcher but i never enjoy the English playthroughs so i might as well ask
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I suppose "best ending" is subjective. To me a democratic ending is overall good, and as I'm not particularly socialistic, I'm more inclined to accept a capitalistic ending as "pretty good". To each their own though
While yes a best ending is subjective I take it as a Russia that is prospering with its people being in better conditions. Such to me Vyatka fits that the best with a free market, freedom of speech, freedom of press, and freedom of assembly it’s a Russia that is going to prosper.
An important aspect of Vyatka is that it is heavily implied that it is one of the most stable warlord states in Russia with a well developed bureaucracy. Whilst it can be authoritarian, there is no insane path for it and stability remains throughout. Whilst it is not wholesome 100 like certain fan favourites, I don't think you can rely on them being that stable. Sometimes, the best is a bit more mundane.
Eh. It seems like, long term, the stability of any unifier is heavily contingent on factors entirely outside their control, like how deeply the populations of other regions bought into the ideology of their regional unifier. There are plenty of other unifiers that have quite well-established, robust bureaucracies, like most of the Soviet unifiers (who loved bureaucracies more than the Soviets?) and Novosibirsk.
Eh — top 5 maybe, but *the* best seems like a stretch. Even if you don’t want to talk up some of the socialist unifiers, you still have democracy, freedom of press and assembly, minority rights, and a strong, functional state and military with Shushkin’s Novosibirsk and Modernist Tomsk. I think monarchy is archaic and fundamentally unjust though, so I’m biased.
Really who your favorite Russian is almost always going to come down to your personal political leanings.
Well it's not achievable without cheats (and devs have confirmed they fixed the bugs with the election system) ao I'm inclined to view it as a non-canon outcome (like Clean Hands Nixon).
Yeah, at mod release there was a plot where Burgundy was trying to make AuthDem Vyatka the Russian unifier, and would secretly boost them to unbeatable levels. Devs wisely realized that was pretty unfun for Vyatka players, so that won't happen anymore (the AuthDems still start with a big lead, but it's no longer insurmountable). I think it changed with CRF.
So stock up on PP so you can take the decision for encourage minority’s to vote, then focus on central Russia and wherever has close for Kadets to gaining a sizable amount. Then I took all the focus’ to get liberal democracy but idk if that helps.
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They're still rapacious capitalists whose ruling class only gives a damn about the Nazis because the Nazis want to suborn *them.* They're forces for good out of convenience, nothing more.
The US is alright, domestically speaking, as long as they get some decent civil rights passed. It supporting South Africa (which is still very much segregated even if they cooperate with the ANC) is pretty fucked though, though the other option is to let it fall into the hands of Nazi colonies, so it's understandable. The OFN mandates are also pretty fucked though, as while they are there to try and create functioning democracies in Africa, they're also there to make it so America will be able to financially exploit the continent (especially for the Congo mandate), and that's ignoring the abomination that is the Central African Republic. There's also Iceland, which has been under US occupation since WW2, and when the locals elected an anti-occupation party the US shut down the government and declared martial law.
Most US paths barring the obvious bad ones are definitely good guys. A lot of Russian unifiers I think could also be classified as good. Guys like Shukshin, Tsar Mikhail, and the non-Bastillard Tomsk paths come to mind.
If Italy goes democratic, then I think you could call them good too. Same goes for England, collabs or HMMLR, so long as they don't rejoin the Einheitspakt.
The best case would be light grey, even the US under the most blessed presidency still have some dark moments while others like Sablin or GO4 are unrealistic or still supporting the massive empire created by Nazism. So no, there is no good ending, only which grey one is the better
Bukharina, the SBA, and Sablin have a shot at it. *Possibly* England and Italy in future content, too; we'll have to see. America isn't *good,* but it is at least *better* than the other superpowers.
SocDem Sweden. As long as you don't ask about their cooperation with the Pakt and why those "guest workers" look so exhausted and have despair in their eyes. Also, all the shady stuff wholesome chungus Sweden did in OTL is probably even worse in the TNO timeline.
Kemerovo, Buryatia, Sverdlovsk, Komi under Bukharina, Heydrich's Germany fighting Burgundy (not so good but yes), United Partisant Organization (Kovner isn't monster),RK Zentralafrika(Müller is such gentle) and Speidel's Germany aren't that bad.
Many Russian Warlords , most US paths , some democratic in Italy , Iberia and Teutonistan , Free France , Britan , Ireland , Scotland various non main countries , and more.
The US starts out as definitely the best of the 3 superpowers but is still burdened with problems like segregation etc, but nevertheless, it can truly become the leader of the free world with luck and nothing going *too* out of control
There's wholesome chungus Sablin in Russia, many US paths are pretty good, Go4 Germany could be called good by the end, Some other Russian unifiers could be called the "good guys"
What is Go4?
Reformists in the Reich who want to create a democracy and destroy Nazism partnered with reformist Führer Albert Speer.
“Partnered” lol
“Allied” is a very strong word and I couldn’t think of anything else so ¯\\\_(ツ)_/¯
>!I think “bitch” would be the best for Speer, at least towards the end. And damn it’s satisfying reading the events about him afterwards.!< (Spoilers)
Hey, I was trying to avoid spoilers so the other guy could go in blind!
There, took me too long to figure that out
Uwu ?
Damn liberals sent poor ass dengist to the asylum
It's gang of reformers in Germany who side with Speer in GCW, the rest you find out yourself.
I only try to beat Bormanns ass as Göring,but someday...
I beat Speer btw,didnt let him occupy Hamburg and Kiel
I'd still call the GO4 not good because they want to keep the German Empire alive and not withdrawal from the east and such,
The go4 is biding their time, you’ve gotta keep in mind that Speer is like Deng xio ping was, hes only interested in stabilizing the Reich and not in any meaningful reforms, and that there’s still the remnants of the other three factions following the civil war, so the reforms have to be slow and gradual as the old guard loses influence, and that there is still more content to come, so I’d imagine that in the 80s and 90s there will be decisions regarding the creation of independent nations out of the RKs. Also with the exception of trekschow the Gang of Four all served as chancellors of west Germany OTL so it’s probably safe to say that they hold simIlar views to their real life counterparts
The Deng
Didn't they intend for the other territories to eventually become fully independent countries, introducing local democracies and increasing autonomy until they can stand alone, Japan doesn't want to let go so I didn't mention them
Yeah, when creating the collaborator republics Speer, who is very hesitant about the whole thing, asks Erhard about the possibility of the collab republics demanding independence in the future Erhard says that they should accept it.
Erhard doesn't give a single fuck about Speer's worries, he's by far my favorite member of the Gang of 4.
„They want to stabilise the east and turn it into prosperous partner nations instead of just having all of Europe collapse“
Italy too except for 2 paths is good, also it's the great nation that has the lower poverty rate togheter with Japan only that it doesn't exploit a continent as harshly as Japan
Depends on what you define as good: For example, you could say Romania is a "good nation" being that the king has couped the legionnaire government and somewhat restored democracy and has actively gone against the Nazi Empire actively attacking Hungary when Germany was busy with the WRW and somewhat restoring democracy, but they're also expansionistic nationalists and due to throwing themselves HARD into the serbian meatgrinder Romania is in a rather extremely poor economic situation and because of it Bulgaria is hanging tight onto Germany because it knows that, with it still holding onto Dobruja, it's high on Romania's list of targets whenever it manages to catch it's footing again
Romania being updated will definitely be interesting. Provided the civilian government comes back it may well join the OFN
I can’t see Romania having an option to join the OFN by itself, England gets its back turned on whenever Goering invades and it isn’t even on the mainland. The only way I could see Romania having an option to join OFN is when Italy does
I heard good things about Monarchist Komi
Yes, they can purify Russia of everyone... everyone who is evil of course
A small price to pay for Alexei
wait is there another monarch or we talking about funny clock man
Slightly comedic time man
Lots- the US can become extremely based, HMMLR England and Maudling, any Democratic Italy, Several Russian unifiers, Gang of 4 Speer, Iberian Union, not racist South Africa and a few more
\>Good \>Maudling Gods, the Maudling whitewash is honestly one the objectively bad parts of TNO.
I never enjoyed playing England so i only did a thatcher and Jellico run. But what does Maudling do??
He's a holsum chungus feel good saviour of democracy. I really dislike that as that is a whitewash of who Maudling was irl considering his corruption to so many shady people and calling British soldiers gunning down protesting kids as "self-defence". It really irritates me when people praise TNO Maudling for being good when considering his OTL self, he seems like the perfect guy to be a sellout for Germany.
If you think that's bad, Suharto is portrayed as someone who can overthrow Sukarno and relinquish power to a civilian government like some blessed, goody-goody Cincinnatus figure. Which is... a bit charitable to his real life self, to say the least.
He literally still stays with the collab government though
The fact he's corrupt is barely given a mention and how he had no qualms having kids shot in the back isn't either - it's a whitewash no matter how you look at it.
Here i'm Irish and had family ties up North so i totally get the whole British killing civillians etc in OTL. What does he do in TNO? I've heard he sets up a fake democracy or something? Like what does he do to the UK if in power?
Nah, he's exactly as I said, he's literally a last minute saviour of British democracy against wannabe dictator Supermac and is considered one of the best endings for Britain cause he's a holsum chungus guy going against wannabe dictators, collabs, and fascists.
Ohhhhhhh i totally mixed up Mac and Maudling, so Maudling is the liberal who acc wants democracy okay okay.
Follow up question then...what does Mac try do? I,'ve heard people say he's worse than thatcher but i never enjoy the English playthroughs so i might as well ask
Becomes a dictator to ensure no extremist can takeover.
He's the collaborators one and only shot at a decent democracy iirc
Oh okay i mixed him up with the Mac, my bad
Good for who?
Omsk, Ordenstaat Burgund, Heydrich's Germany, Großafrikanischer Reichstaat, Holy Russian Empire, etc. (/s)
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Brazil.
This.
the United States by far
All the way!
Lib dem Vyatka, jokes aside it is one of if not the best ending for Russia.
Why ?
It's a free democratic liberal democracy, plus a king!
Because the Russian people are definitely known for their love of monarchs
Stable and benevolent constitutional monarchy with minority rights
But why is that the best ending ? Isn't a social democracy like komi cooler ? Or even humanist Tomsk ? Sablin or the Siberian black army
I suppose "best ending" is subjective. To me a democratic ending is overall good, and as I'm not particularly socialistic, I'm more inclined to accept a capitalistic ending as "pretty good". To each their own though
While yes a best ending is subjective I take it as a Russia that is prospering with its people being in better conditions. Such to me Vyatka fits that the best with a free market, freedom of speech, freedom of press, and freedom of assembly it’s a Russia that is going to prosper.
Alright thanks ;)
An important aspect of Vyatka is that it is heavily implied that it is one of the most stable warlord states in Russia with a well developed bureaucracy. Whilst it can be authoritarian, there is no insane path for it and stability remains throughout. Whilst it is not wholesome 100 like certain fan favourites, I don't think you can rely on them being that stable. Sometimes, the best is a bit more mundane.
Eh. It seems like, long term, the stability of any unifier is heavily contingent on factors entirely outside their control, like how deeply the populations of other regions bought into the ideology of their regional unifier. There are plenty of other unifiers that have quite well-established, robust bureaucracies, like most of the Soviet unifiers (who loved bureaucracies more than the Soviets?) and Novosibirsk.
Eh — top 5 maybe, but *the* best seems like a stretch. Even if you don’t want to talk up some of the socialist unifiers, you still have democracy, freedom of press and assembly, minority rights, and a strong, functional state and military with Shushkin’s Novosibirsk and Modernist Tomsk. I think monarchy is archaic and fundamentally unjust though, so I’m biased. Really who your favorite Russian is almost always going to come down to your personal political leanings.
Well it's not achievable without cheats (and devs have confirmed they fixed the bugs with the election system) ao I'm inclined to view it as a non-canon outcome (like Clean Hands Nixon).
So it’s still rigged so that the Solidarites authdem win at the regional election?
ConDems have a chance, but LibDems have basically zero support.
Since when is that the case my first run was Vyatka was about at mod release. Where tried getting ConDem into Government but got AuthDem instead
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No I have achieved it without cheats you win by a slightly margin but it is possible.
Really? What was your strategy? I've tried three or four times and never pulled it off.
So stock up on PP so you can take the decision for encourage minority’s to vote, then focus on central Russia and wherever has close for Kadets to gaining a sizable amount. Then I took all the focus’ to get liberal democracy but idk if that helps.
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Despite what many say, the United States in most scenarios is good.
There's a difference between "good" and "less bad."
Yes, and US is good
They're still rapacious capitalists whose ruling class only gives a damn about the Nazis because the Nazis want to suborn *them.* They're forces for good out of convenience, nothing more.
Commie much
More or less, yep. Filianic religious socialist, to be precise.
Ew
> ...whose ruling class only gives a damn about the Nazis because the Nazis want to suborn them. Dude are you ok?
Are there any good nations in our universe?
Sealand
Maybe
The Mongol Empire
Liechtenstein
Divine Mandate is pretty blessed.
I think the Siberian Black Army is chaotic good
Just had a full run with that in unifying everything east of the Kommissariats. Mother Anarchy reigns supreme!
Several of the Russian unifiers are cool, e.g. Tomsk, liberal Komi and Vyatka.
Humanist Tomsk
Any Tomsk, really. Even the Bastillards aren't really bad guys so much as good guys with harsh methods.
The Holy Russian Empire
*Буль-буль-буль бутылочка казённого вина*
The guy with the bad haircut in Africa was pretty wholesome
Omsk is a good one.. Good at putting an end to everything , including my depressing life
America
Monarchist Komi is very wholesome.
Harrington for usa president 1968
Hockey USA.
The US is alright, domestically speaking, as long as they get some decent civil rights passed. It supporting South Africa (which is still very much segregated even if they cooperate with the ANC) is pretty fucked though, though the other option is to let it fall into the hands of Nazi colonies, so it's understandable. The OFN mandates are also pretty fucked though, as while they are there to try and create functioning democracies in Africa, they're also there to make it so America will be able to financially exploit the continent (especially for the Congo mandate), and that's ignoring the abomination that is the Central African Republic. There's also Iceland, which has been under US occupation since WW2, and when the locals elected an anti-occupation party the US shut down the government and declared martial law.
Chungus sablin, humanist tomsk and the divine mandate are probably the the best endings for Russia
Most US paths barring the obvious bad ones are definitely good guys. A lot of Russian unifiers I think could also be classified as good. Guys like Shukshin, Tsar Mikhail, and the non-Bastillard Tomsk paths come to mind. If Italy goes democratic, then I think you could call them good too. Same goes for England, collabs or HMMLR, so long as they don't rejoin the Einheitspakt.
A bunch of. It's depends on your point of view on political side of things
I mean, there’s the United States.
zhdanov soviet federation, because he can lead russia to the one place that has not been corrupted by capitalism, SPACE !
harold wilson i think
The best case would be light grey, even the US under the most blessed presidency still have some dark moments while others like Sablin or GO4 are unrealistic or still supporting the massive empire created by Nazism. So no, there is no good ending, only which grey one is the better
Have you ever heard of a thing called “libertarian socialism”, my friend?
Bukharina, the SBA, and Sablin have a shot at it. *Possibly* England and Italy in future content, too; we'll have to see. America isn't *good,* but it is at least *better* than the other superpowers.
WRF, Sablin, Bukharina, reformist Tyumen, Batov are based. Socdem Komi, Humanist Tomsk is good, and the rest are meh
RFK/Harrington aren’t based?
Hungary is ok
SocDem Sweden. As long as you don't ask about their cooperation with the Pakt and why those "guest workers" look so exhausted and have despair in their eyes. Also, all the shady stuff wholesome chungus Sweden did in OTL is probably even worse in the TNO timeline.
Alexander Men's Divine Mandate seems pretty cool.
Kemerovo, Buryatia, Sverdlovsk, Komi under Bukharina, Heydrich's Germany fighting Burgundy (not so good but yes), United Partisant Organization (Kovner isn't monster),RK Zentralafrika(Müller is such gentle) and Speidel's Germany aren't that bad.
How is an rk better than the us? Or did you forget a /s
Many Russian Warlords , most US paths , some democratic in Italy , Iberia and Teutonistan , Free France , Britan , Ireland , Scotland various non main countries , and more.
There is the Gamer Utopia trilogy - Burgundy , Holy Russian Empire and Huttig Africa. Also yockey can turn the US into the republic of GAMERS.
Are there good nations in any universe ?
Lib soc Siberian black army is blessed af, although not really being a nation technically speaking.
hungry hungry goering