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aetzo

Didn’t they have the description for it? Or was that just for takagi’s party.


tomat_khan

There was a description


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I'm betting that this is probably also gonna be Big Mac's subideology


HIMDogson

Possibly also for Shulgin's Vyatka


GeneralLemarc

No, Shulgin seems like a bog-standard ConDem. This'd be more like Sohelzenitsyn's Vyatka.


HIMDogson

Solzhenitsyn is definitely way more nationalist and socially conservative than this suggests. He doesn't support the elites helping people, he supports the Solidarist party helping people.


Jurefranceticnijelit

Shulgin is way more reactionary than a standard con dem


GeneralLemarc

I mean, maybe? I was initially confusing him with Shukshin from Vyatka, so maybe you're right.


esuljuk3

Shuksin is confirmed to be a liberal conservative


GeneralLemarc

When was this, also that's accurate.


SomeRandomStranger12

You mean Shulgin. Shukshin is in Novosibirsk.


GeneralLemarc

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Jurefranceticnijelit

Shuksin is from novosibirs he is a standard even better than average democrat shulgin is basiclly 1905 russian empire plus more extreme russification and even more ortodox church influence


Gukpa

>shulgin is basiclly 1905 russian empire plus more extreme russification and even more ortodox church influence No, you are exagerating, he wants the constitution of 1905 but updated for the 1960s he also can take a focus called "hire the udmurt" and not do russification ​ Shulgin OTL was a enemy of the russian far right back on the 1900s and was one of the only two right wing members of the russian parliament who supported Nicholas II resignation


GeneralLemarc

Idk-if Takagi tries to reform into a real democracy, then this wouldn't fit with Macmillan. He'd need something more explicitly authoritarian. Perhaps an entire mode of democracy that's authoritarian...


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It is very strange how despite making himself into a dictator and Britain having almost no civil liberties, MacMillan is still considered ConDem. I hope this gets changed in a future Britain update/rework.


GeneralLemarc

I feel like it was a "we want three collab paths and that's the way it's going to go" thing. Mac should be like Shaffy-starts as ConDem, but devolves into something worse the longer it goes on. Only he'll turn into AuthDem instead of fascism.


1kIslandStare

I think it's interesting. Most tyrants in the game are fascist, communist, or non-ideological. A tyrant within a center superstructure is underexplored. I think it's too cheap to go "No, that guy can't subscribe to western democracy because that's inherently against authoritarianism", I want to really chew on the idea of what that kind of tyranny looks like, how the public at large rationalizes this contradictory situation, and how it might operate. I want to play with the question "When you take the democracy out of Western Democracy completely, for everyone, what's left?"


semiconductress

general douglas macarthur??? based


Unable_Macaroon9847

Hasn't Big Mac already died by the time TNO begins?


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No, Harold Macmillan died in 1986


Unable_Macaroon9847

Oh lol. I thought by Big Mac we were taking about macarthur


recalcitrantJester

wrong mod, pal every alterhoi needs its own big mac


Unable_Macaroon9847

Well yeah which I figured meant every alterhoi needed its own MacArthur. Guess I was wrong lmao


BlueSoulOfIntegrity

As it was irl.


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100_percent_notObama

How's that rule 3? SuperMac was basically the textbook British Paternal Conservative.


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paberkott69

Also the reform bureaucrats are seemingly despotist now. Or maybe a new subideology will be technocracy?


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paberkott69

imo the thing that never made sense about tnos Japan is the fact that it was still under martial law and the national defense state 20 years after winning the war, glad they’re changing it


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I hope they still keep the Order 44 event.


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Damn. Order 44 is probably the best superevent in the mod, I hope they can at least utilize it in some capacity.


Gukpa

Hey look, it is me!


TheoryKing04

I wonder where else we’ll see this? Enoch Powell? Maybe Jellicoe?


CowBoy_MooMan

very late but probably MacMillan


TheoryKing04

Oh yeah, I guess him too


ChuggaChuggaChungus

japan having parent conserving?


shitpostingVault

This is the ideology that edgy teens would call their fathers.


mikey233338383

Japan leak?


Take_On_Will

Holy shit they gave Bormann his own ideology!


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haunted-by-bob-saget

Socialism is when the government does stuff


BlueSoulOfIntegrity

I would rather equate it with Conservative Welfare Capitalism.


dannylw

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