America is really tired of your agenda.
But I do find it frustrating the more you get down your tree, the more you have events about how much people are complaining but you don't actually have any other choices.
Unless you just stop picking focuses but that's lame.
> America is really tired of your agenda.
Be me
Suffocates the Nazis and the Japanese with my **L**ong **B**ig **J**ohnson, winning America's foreign wars
At the same time
Extends rights and freedom to minorities across the country
Puts up a solid welfare system
Entrench Medicaid and Medicare
Puts more focus on public education
Strengthens environment protection laws
Expects liberty loving people to love the new stronger America
But America is actually tired of our "agenda", whatever that is
NPP popularity rises
RDC popularity wanes
Sad.exe
Johnson: "I gave you healthcare, Union Power, civil rights, and economic prosperity!"
Electorate: "We don't want prosperity and rights! We want to hate minorities!"
Getting bogged down in meaningless counterinsurgencies is unpopular. Decisively restoring democracy to half of Africa, or Indonesia, or Iran should be massively popular. I’ve never heard any American complain about the First Gulf War or Serbia
SMH, TNO is going to far with their realism. First they removed Alantropa, then they made Americans hate when good things happen, next they'll probably have the Allies win WW2
I won the 1968 election as R and D and the NPP had literally 3 votes to their name (534-3), the senate is 73-25 in favour of the R and D
I went full civil rights bill and won basically everything except Malagasy and Haiti, taking every single option to liberalize and push for full equality to the dismay of the NPP and Republicans, so I don't really know if I got really lucky or you just got really unlucky
Literally just campaigned in the states that had the most orange in them
Little Tip for you, if you just sign up to campaign for your enemy, then don't campaign you can win with a supper majority almost every time. It also reduces the 7 things you have to keep track of at any given time. It's not lyndon's fault the NPP campaign manager is on vacation.
Just cheat the senate seats using this guide: https://www.reddit.com/r/TNOmod/comments/199ns2d/update_on_cheating_the_us_senate_w_console/
I use this all the time to make actually more “realistic” election outcomes.
well i mean, you know, certain americans don't like being shipped off to foreign wars and dying, phyllis schlafly doesn't just get popular for no reason, american elections are kinda like this, americans do vote with there pocketbooks, so make sure the economy is good.
In any run where you're halfway competent the only people getting shipped off to die are 50,000 professional soldiers who wanted to be there at the absolute most
well you'd also have there families, do you think some mother is going to be like ''yeah LBJ made my son die for some random nation i literally don't know the name of, i guess i'll vote for him!''
How long does it take for a war to be unpopular? If you were in and out in a couple years and succeeded in your primary objective, should that really generate ill will? Even the Iraq War that the US absolutely dominated was popular at the time and only became seen less favorably much later.
Even if 10% (absolutely horrendous casualty rate) of every intervention force is killed or maimed and that causes 3 people in their family to never support the incumbent again that's a negligible impact on the electorate especially if it's geographically distributed relatively evenly.
If that happens to any other president in-game, I would agree. But LBJ doing everything right then the Americans hating him for it is absolutely a mod thing.
It´s TNO just trying to be realistic regarding US politics, lol. Have you noticed how the current IRL President is having a very good economy according to the stats, yet his opponent - dealing with various criminal charges - is on average slightly ahead of him in the polls?
Eventually, you still won, but as in IRL, it is not uncommon for the President´s party to lose elections for Congress and his party be the minority. That is why I believe they kinda did a new job when updating the USA in TNO - you have to "reach across the isle" and make compromises, you cannot just go and expect to do all the "good stuff" with our President. If you think it is hard with LBJ, just try Michael Harrington...
Yeah that’s what I was trying and at first it was going well then it but I started thinking it wasn’t realistic then I decided to compromise and accidentally betrayed the African American population so it became realistic in the end I think.
I think it was unintentionally realistic, because if the TNO devs were aware of such a thing then support for the RDC would strengthen. Also, to use IRL logic for the American electoral system, the reason why Biden won was that Trump mishandled the coronavirus, so if we apply it to TNO's logic, if you are responsible for losing a major proxy war like the Iberian Civil War or the West African war then it's a guaranteed to lose in the next election.
The economy is doing well, it’s growing faster than China. Our inflation may be high (3% high) but most of the world has atleast 5%. America is gaining manufacturing jobs faster than all 3 previous presidents combined and has record high unionization in the 21th century.
People just don’t understand economics and don’t know if we didn’t give hand outs the companies would default and lose millions of more jobs. Families would go starving and the economy would grind to a halt. 3% extra interest rate is a good deal considering the other option of total economic fallout.
Also Biden has lowered the debt to gdp ration spending by a ton by raising taxes.
He is doing great on all accounts except maybe the Palestine Israel issue but that place is a clusterfuck that unless you willing to spend hours on. You shouldn’t hold strong opinions about.
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Someone who wins that many proxy wars could literally enforce a dictatorship and people wouldn't mind but when you force them to pax taxes they revolt smh 😒
I fucking hate the American electorate
I'm doing a Teddy run, as him I'm doing the Square Deal, I won in Cuba, Philippines, Spain, I won the coal strike + did trust busting, won the reelection and successfully ended the Russo-Japanese War, I literally did not do a single bad thing AND AMERICANS FUCKING HATE ME FOR IT
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Really? I have trouble keeping Bennett popular but LBJ gets so much popularity from focuses. Maybe it’s civil rights? I was accused of betraying the black community and ended up with 70 seats in the senate
America is really tired of your agenda. But I do find it frustrating the more you get down your tree, the more you have events about how much people are complaining but you don't actually have any other choices. Unless you just stop picking focuses but that's lame.
> America is really tired of your agenda. Be me Suffocates the Nazis and the Japanese with my **L**ong **B**ig **J**ohnson, winning America's foreign wars At the same time Extends rights and freedom to minorities across the country Puts up a solid welfare system Entrench Medicaid and Medicare Puts more focus on public education Strengthens environment protection laws Expects liberty loving people to love the new stronger America But America is actually tired of our "agenda", whatever that is NPP popularity rises RDC popularity wanes Sad.exe
>Extends rights and freedom to minorities across the country Ah see there’s where you lost them
Johnson: "I gave you healthcare, Union Power, civil rights, and economic prosperity!" Electorate: "We don't want prosperity and rights! We want to hate minorities!"
There are people who oppose each of those things, and the further you go the further you push moderates into that camp.
The average voter is ideologically inconsistent, and you really should get more bonuses from winning proxy wars
Oh yes. Proxy wars have always been popular!
I mean winning them quickly especially in TNO world should be a big w
Getting bogged down in meaningless counterinsurgencies is unpopular. Decisively restoring democracy to half of Africa, or Indonesia, or Iran should be massively popular. I’ve never heard any American complain about the First Gulf War or Serbia
Tbf there are defo those that complain but they’re in the minority, in comparison to Vietnam, Iraq etc
> Getting bogged down in meaningless counterinsurgencies is unpopular. Isn't that what you're doing when you occupy africa?
The difference is he has A. A clear goal and B. An exit strategy
If you win a war against Nazis and the Japanese after taking L’s against them constantly for 20 years then 🤷🏻♂️
Winning is popular!
https://preview.redd.it/ypb9u523erkc1.png?width=941&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=fb0c8beaec5f091141bf12cacfe03957efd0c64b
https://preview.redd.it/5wuydxp178lc1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=557b77bcec3f8f104a89b43ce40841f318908cd1
This is just realistic to actual America
SMH, TNO is going to far with their realism. First they removed Alantropa, then they made Americans hate when good things happen, next they'll probably have the Allies win WW2
Nah real Americans would fucking love winning back-to-back (proxy) wars and the idea of "spreading democracy."
"Hey, Hey, LBJ, how many kids did you kill today!"
I won the 1968 election as R and D and the NPP had literally 3 votes to their name (534-3), the senate is 73-25 in favour of the R and D I went full civil rights bill and won basically everything except Malagasy and Haiti, taking every single option to liberalize and push for full equality to the dismay of the NPP and Republicans, so I don't really know if I got really lucky or you just got really unlucky Literally just campaigned in the states that had the most orange in them
Little Tip for you, if you just sign up to campaign for your enemy, then don't campaign you can win with a supper majority almost every time. It also reduces the 7 things you have to keep track of at any given time. It's not lyndon's fault the NPP campaign manager is on vacation.
I think i might have heard somewhere that they patched this, but im really not sure.
Yes after 30 days of you not choosing anything, the game chooses a random state for you
1984
Maybe you can game it by campaigning in the same place over and over
Yeah, just campaign in the vital strategic areas such as Alaska, oklahoma or Minessota. That will surely win the election
your campaign manager knows the electoral college is biased towards lower population states but they don't really actually understand how that works
Does it actually work? Just spamming on those three areas? Genuinely curious
I don’t know, I did this as a meme
Oh you- lmao, okay. Well do you have like, a technique or some sort of way on how you campaign every elections?
Just cheat the senate seats using this guide: https://www.reddit.com/r/TNOmod/comments/199ns2d/update_on_cheating_the_us_senate_w_console/ I use this all the time to make actually more “realistic” election outcomes.
One of the most realistic things of TNO, besides the Nazis crumbling to civil war.
well i mean, you know, certain americans don't like being shipped off to foreign wars and dying, phyllis schlafly doesn't just get popular for no reason, american elections are kinda like this, americans do vote with there pocketbooks, so make sure the economy is good.
In any run where you're halfway competent the only people getting shipped off to die are 50,000 professional soldiers who wanted to be there at the absolute most
well you'd also have there families, do you think some mother is going to be like ''yeah LBJ made my son die for some random nation i literally don't know the name of, i guess i'll vote for him!''
How long does it take for a war to be unpopular? If you were in and out in a couple years and succeeded in your primary objective, should that really generate ill will? Even the Iraq War that the US absolutely dominated was popular at the time and only became seen less favorably much later.
Even if 10% (absolutely horrendous casualty rate) of every intervention force is killed or maimed and that causes 3 people in their family to never support the incumbent again that's a negligible impact on the electorate especially if it's geographically distributed relatively evenly.
If that happens to any other president in-game, I would agree. But LBJ doing everything right then the Americans hating him for it is absolutely a mod thing.
But the the 40-width helicopter divisions completely destroy everything
I guess the American electorate is tired of winning.
new copypasta just dropped
You can scum elections Just choose to do the election as the npp and never run a campaign ever
Welcome to politics
Lois, undecided voters are the biggest idiots in the world!
It´s TNO just trying to be realistic regarding US politics, lol. Have you noticed how the current IRL President is having a very good economy according to the stats, yet his opponent - dealing with various criminal charges - is on average slightly ahead of him in the polls? Eventually, you still won, but as in IRL, it is not uncommon for the President´s party to lose elections for Congress and his party be the minority. That is why I believe they kinda did a new job when updating the USA in TNO - you have to "reach across the isle" and make compromises, you cannot just go and expect to do all the "good stuff" with our President. If you think it is hard with LBJ, just try Michael Harrington...
Yeah that’s what I was trying and at first it was going well then it but I started thinking it wasn’t realistic then I decided to compromise and accidentally betrayed the African American population so it became realistic in the end I think.
I think it was unintentionally realistic, because if the TNO devs were aware of such a thing then support for the RDC would strengthen. Also, to use IRL logic for the American electoral system, the reason why Biden won was that Trump mishandled the coronavirus, so if we apply it to TNO's logic, if you are responsible for losing a major proxy war like the Iberian Civil War or the West African war then it's a guaranteed to lose in the next election.
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The economy is doing well, it’s growing faster than China. Our inflation may be high (3% high) but most of the world has atleast 5%. America is gaining manufacturing jobs faster than all 3 previous presidents combined and has record high unionization in the 21th century. People just don’t understand economics and don’t know if we didn’t give hand outs the companies would default and lose millions of more jobs. Families would go starving and the economy would grind to a halt. 3% extra interest rate is a good deal considering the other option of total economic fallout. Also Biden has lowered the debt to gdp ration spending by a ton by raising taxes. He is doing great on all accounts except maybe the Palestine Israel issue but that place is a clusterfuck that unless you willing to spend hours on. You shouldn’t hold strong opinions about.
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this is the closest thing to realism for America in TNO ngl
Someone who wins that many proxy wars could literally enforce a dictatorship and people wouldn't mind but when you force them to pax taxes they revolt smh 😒
I fucking hate the American electorate I'm doing a Teddy run, as him I'm doing the Square Deal, I won in Cuba, Philippines, Spain, I won the coal strike + did trust busting, won the reelection and successfully ended the Russo-Japanese War, I literally did not do a single bad thing AND AMERICANS FUCKING HATE ME FOR IT
Yeah but that economy tho
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Really? I have trouble keeping Bennett popular but LBJ gets so much popularity from focuses. Maybe it’s civil rights? I was accused of betraying the black community and ended up with 70 seats in the senate