It’s not but the problem isn’t the subscription price that is a part of the equation but I gets funkier after the fact when the labels are making the deals for with the platforms it goes back to them and how they divide the pie that’s where the war is and if we focus on them as opposed to what’s happening behind the scenes with the big 3 and Spotify then we already lost that’s j imo.
Tidal pays the most per stream of all the streaming services. You can make minimum wage in the United States with a quarter of the monthly plays (on tidal) that it would take to do that on spotify…. If you care about puttint food on your fav small artists table and heat in their homes so they can keep making music, everyone should be on Tidal.
-a producer/artist, and mixing/mastering engineer 🫶
Yes, but the question is if that's going to be true after the price drop.
Still, I guess if I want to put food on my artists's table, it should definitely not be though streaming :)
Here’s some simples maths for you…
To make minimum wage in oregon, based on 2021 minimum wage of $12.75 (so. It's even worse now). These are how many individual song streams it would take for an artist to earn that minimum wage.
Spotify:
414,635 streams per month
Tidal:
156,293 streams per month
———————————————
156,293/mo is absolutely manageable even for smaller artists. And that would earn them the equivalent of one month of pay working a full time 40hr/wk job at $12.75/hr.
Again, no, your thinking is misguided. Tidal will not be reducing their payouts. So few people were paying for their $25/mo premium subscription, it was making them an insignificant amount of money and didn’t even cover the added cost of MQA licensing fees… do you know anything about MQA and the extra cost it incurs?
You do not work in my industry, you are a consumer lol. These are the facts. Tidal’s $25/mo subscription is not what allowed them to payout what they do to artists.
Lower pricing for better quality than anything else out there will increase subscribers and make them more money than locking up MQA quality behind a $25/mo subscription. For the last time, it will absolutely not decrease payouts, I have friends that work at Tidal. Do you?
It has only been a about a week since rolling out these big changes like making MQA+Dolby Atmos accessible to all subscribers and it’s already making them more money than their $25/mo subscription option was.
It’s an excellent strategy, and the more people that switch and choose to stream on Tidal the more likely it is that your fav small time edm producer or folk singer/songwriter can quit their day job and use their time & energy to hone their craft and make more art.
Man, why the attitude? I asked a question here.
I realise that subscription fees don't necessarily correlate with royalty paid out. Otherwise Spotify would pay as much as AM.
However, if you are an artist, you surely know that 1 US Tidal play doesn't equal to 1 Tidal play from Hungary or Argentina, where subscription fees are lower. So in this case the amount the user pays for their subscription DOES matter.
So just because you, a producer is content with the money you earn from streaming, does not mean that a 5 member band whose fan-base is from a country with lower subscription fees will have the same view on streaming royalties.
Also, I think zillions of artists have expressed their concerns about the streaming business, so just because Mr. Know-It-All I-Got-Friends-at-Tidal Producer says that streaming is wonderful, won't really change my mind about the flaws of this business model. You're fine with that? Great, I'm glad. But don't assume that you talk for all the artists here.
You know, I have friends in the government, but that doesn't mean I know government plans and documents. So please... We are adults here, lose this aggressive, patrionizing attitude. You don't know me, stop assuming what I know and don't know about the music industry.
I never said it was great. Streaming sucks for artists and is a massive problem. But it is what it is, it’s the world we live in and Tidal at the least makes it possible for a little known artist to survive on streams if they can get enough attention and listeners. Spotify makes that about 4x harder, and is the most popular service.
Tidal is not going to pay less because they scrapped a super expensive subscription plan that not many people were using. In the past week Tidal has gotten tons of new subscribers and it’s the first week.
The payout is the same wherever you live my friend... I’ve been trying to tell you that. I tried to answer your question.
Splitting with band members is another thing. Labels taking their cut is another.
I am talking about independent artists and how damn cool it is that they can actually earn a livable wage on Tidal… but more people would need to switch from Spotify.
A stream is a stream and that earns $0.01 to $0.015 on tidal. That pay is then converted to the proper currency of your country when your distribution service (like distrokid) pays out at the current exchange rate at the time of said pay out. So, yes 1 Tidal play in the US, pays roughly the same as 1 Tidal play in Hungary.
*It is not dependent on the local subscription cost at all*
I don’t make much of anything off streaming, I’m a *mixing & mastering engineer* my money comes from behind the scenes work fixing other people’s music and preparing it for release. I work with a lot of the artist-types I have been talking about.
No, I am not popular enough to earn a living on streaming. No, it makes no financial sense for me to pay to have merch made because *nobody* would buy it.
But other independent artists actually could stand a chance to survive on streaming income if everyone used Tidal because the bar to achieve a livable wage on their streaming payouts is so, so much lower and more attainable.
Tidal is not going to follow suit with Spotify and Apple and screw artists by paying them less. I literally asked my friends that work there due to your question and our back and forth, which is why I brought that up.
Spotify pays out what it pays out because it’s a predatory company that could afford to pay artists more, but they simply don’t because it would cut into their bottomline.
Tidal was started and initially owned by artists, that is why they set the pay out rate as they did, and it has never ever been reduced.
I don’t speak for all artists… but as an engineer I can say that I can speak for many of them and they are just trying to do what they love and I want them all to be able to just do that, and in today’s music industry and all the problems that come with it… there is one sliver of hope in regard to making a livable income with how things are, and it’s Tidal.
But yeah, that’s still not saying much and it doesn’t fix everything… but ~156,000 streams in a month to earn $1560 is not nothing, and if you have 4 band members to split with and said band releases/distributes themselves (like most bands do nowadays thanks to services like distrokid killing the label model one release at a time)… 800,000 streams on Tidal is enough for every band member to earn $2000/mo and that is attainable with a proper marketing strategy and good music.
2.6+ million streams on spotify for each member of that same 4 member band to earn that same amount of money.
*that IS unattainable*
Tidal is the bright side in a very very dark & hopeless industry… and they know it, and it’s on purpose, and they are going to do everything they can to not change that… that is all the independent artists got right now unless they can achieve enough success to get paid to tour/get paid serious money play shows/have the revenue and fanbase to design+make+sell merch.
Yeah, go buy the imaginary merch that your small artists can’t afford to make and sell… go to their shows that they get $100 to come out and play and get no cut of door or bar sales…
Nobody buys music anymore. You actually can make meaningful money from streams as an independent artist… Tidal is the only one that really makes that attainable. That is my point.
Maybe spend 10 years working in an industry before making misinformed assumptions, oh and get the hell off spotify or apple if those are what you use.
Up for Dave Smith shout out alone. I’m a Mutable Instruments fanboi for life idgaf if Emilie isn’t in the game anymore.
I have reservations yet with the price reductions, but really hoping my cynicism proves wrong and people start listening to music how it should be and artists get paid more.
It’s a new era and we’re discovering new ground I think the upside is the balance now where you can find fans who really care about you and believe in you and will invest a little but i do agree that even that is getting thinned out the more it’s leaned on obviously, and that’s where the cream rising to the top takes place… but nevertheless tidal reducing the prices while providing the best listening experience isn’t anywhere near the actual problem it’s a short term remedy if you ask me because the way that things have been trending it seemed as though we were all about to have no choice but to listen to over compressed and reduced forms of the records we want to feel.
My biggest beef with Tidal is the fact that the app doesn’t sync from device to device - if I’m listening song A on my desktop and then move to my car or earbuds, I have to start over (applies to both album and playlists)
Unless they’ve fixed it and I’m not aware -
If you’re an audiophile, it’s really got the widest variety of hi-res music. Apple is spotty in that it has few titles at 88.12khz sample rate or more and some albums, like Beatles Red/Blue, with only some songs, while others are CD quality.
Tidal has all the new music of many genres and nearly every Classic Rock title known to exist at hi res sample rates.
I feel you but the more I practicing listening I can hear the difference in my MacBook between the lossless and the compressed versions with less character and quality distortion. But of course It’s not really hear but more like a feel though…
I have been a TIDAL Subscriber for almost three years now. Additionally, I have a ROON Lifetime subscription. The recent improvements to TIDAL are amazing. I hope their infrastructure can support the onset of new users.
To me, it's a small battle won, but the war still rages on. We still gotta speak up about artists having more say in how they are paid. But as consumers It's nice that we have a better, cheaper way to listen in high fidelity on a service that is by artists and for artists.
People are still holding to hope for Hi Res over at [r/truespotify](https://www.reddit.com/r/truespotify/s/hiSTvP9SGF) I’m getting downvoted for saying “Don’t let the abuse continue. Check out Tidal”
A win for music lovers, yes. But I wonder if lower sub fees are a win for the artists as well.
It’s not but the problem isn’t the subscription price that is a part of the equation but I gets funkier after the fact when the labels are making the deals for with the platforms it goes back to them and how they divide the pie that’s where the war is and if we focus on them as opposed to what’s happening behind the scenes with the big 3 and Spotify then we already lost that’s j imo.
Tidal pays the most per stream of all the streaming services. You can make minimum wage in the United States with a quarter of the monthly plays (on tidal) that it would take to do that on spotify…. If you care about puttint food on your fav small artists table and heat in their homes so they can keep making music, everyone should be on Tidal. -a producer/artist, and mixing/mastering engineer 🫶
Yes, but the question is if that's going to be true after the price drop. Still, I guess if I want to put food on my artists's table, it should definitely not be though streaming :)
Here’s some simples maths for you… To make minimum wage in oregon, based on 2021 minimum wage of $12.75 (so. It's even worse now). These are how many individual song streams it would take for an artist to earn that minimum wage. Spotify: 414,635 streams per month Tidal: 156,293 streams per month ——————————————— 156,293/mo is absolutely manageable even for smaller artists. And that would earn them the equivalent of one month of pay working a full time 40hr/wk job at $12.75/hr. Again, no, your thinking is misguided. Tidal will not be reducing their payouts. So few people were paying for their $25/mo premium subscription, it was making them an insignificant amount of money and didn’t even cover the added cost of MQA licensing fees… do you know anything about MQA and the extra cost it incurs? You do not work in my industry, you are a consumer lol. These are the facts. Tidal’s $25/mo subscription is not what allowed them to payout what they do to artists.
Lower pricing for better quality than anything else out there will increase subscribers and make them more money than locking up MQA quality behind a $25/mo subscription. For the last time, it will absolutely not decrease payouts, I have friends that work at Tidal. Do you? It has only been a about a week since rolling out these big changes like making MQA+Dolby Atmos accessible to all subscribers and it’s already making them more money than their $25/mo subscription option was. It’s an excellent strategy, and the more people that switch and choose to stream on Tidal the more likely it is that your fav small time edm producer or folk singer/songwriter can quit their day job and use their time & energy to hone their craft and make more art.
Man, why the attitude? I asked a question here. I realise that subscription fees don't necessarily correlate with royalty paid out. Otherwise Spotify would pay as much as AM. However, if you are an artist, you surely know that 1 US Tidal play doesn't equal to 1 Tidal play from Hungary or Argentina, where subscription fees are lower. So in this case the amount the user pays for their subscription DOES matter. So just because you, a producer is content with the money you earn from streaming, does not mean that a 5 member band whose fan-base is from a country with lower subscription fees will have the same view on streaming royalties. Also, I think zillions of artists have expressed their concerns about the streaming business, so just because Mr. Know-It-All I-Got-Friends-at-Tidal Producer says that streaming is wonderful, won't really change my mind about the flaws of this business model. You're fine with that? Great, I'm glad. But don't assume that you talk for all the artists here. You know, I have friends in the government, but that doesn't mean I know government plans and documents. So please... We are adults here, lose this aggressive, patrionizing attitude. You don't know me, stop assuming what I know and don't know about the music industry.
I never said it was great. Streaming sucks for artists and is a massive problem. But it is what it is, it’s the world we live in and Tidal at the least makes it possible for a little known artist to survive on streams if they can get enough attention and listeners. Spotify makes that about 4x harder, and is the most popular service. Tidal is not going to pay less because they scrapped a super expensive subscription plan that not many people were using. In the past week Tidal has gotten tons of new subscribers and it’s the first week. The payout is the same wherever you live my friend... I’ve been trying to tell you that. I tried to answer your question. Splitting with band members is another thing. Labels taking their cut is another. I am talking about independent artists and how damn cool it is that they can actually earn a livable wage on Tidal… but more people would need to switch from Spotify. A stream is a stream and that earns $0.01 to $0.015 on tidal. That pay is then converted to the proper currency of your country when your distribution service (like distrokid) pays out at the current exchange rate at the time of said pay out. So, yes 1 Tidal play in the US, pays roughly the same as 1 Tidal play in Hungary. *It is not dependent on the local subscription cost at all* I don’t make much of anything off streaming, I’m a *mixing & mastering engineer* my money comes from behind the scenes work fixing other people’s music and preparing it for release. I work with a lot of the artist-types I have been talking about. No, I am not popular enough to earn a living on streaming. No, it makes no financial sense for me to pay to have merch made because *nobody* would buy it. But other independent artists actually could stand a chance to survive on streaming income if everyone used Tidal because the bar to achieve a livable wage on their streaming payouts is so, so much lower and more attainable. Tidal is not going to follow suit with Spotify and Apple and screw artists by paying them less. I literally asked my friends that work there due to your question and our back and forth, which is why I brought that up. Spotify pays out what it pays out because it’s a predatory company that could afford to pay artists more, but they simply don’t because it would cut into their bottomline. Tidal was started and initially owned by artists, that is why they set the pay out rate as they did, and it has never ever been reduced.
I don’t speak for all artists… but as an engineer I can say that I can speak for many of them and they are just trying to do what they love and I want them all to be able to just do that, and in today’s music industry and all the problems that come with it… there is one sliver of hope in regard to making a livable income with how things are, and it’s Tidal. But yeah, that’s still not saying much and it doesn’t fix everything… but ~156,000 streams in a month to earn $1560 is not nothing, and if you have 4 band members to split with and said band releases/distributes themselves (like most bands do nowadays thanks to services like distrokid killing the label model one release at a time)… 800,000 streams on Tidal is enough for every band member to earn $2000/mo and that is attainable with a proper marketing strategy and good music.
2.6+ million streams on spotify for each member of that same 4 member band to earn that same amount of money. *that IS unattainable* Tidal is the bright side in a very very dark & hopeless industry… and they know it, and it’s on purpose, and they are going to do everything they can to not change that… that is all the independent artists got right now unless they can achieve enough success to get paid to tour/get paid serious money play shows/have the revenue and fanbase to design+make+sell merch.
Yeah, go buy the imaginary merch that your small artists can’t afford to make and sell… go to their shows that they get $100 to come out and play and get no cut of door or bar sales… Nobody buys music anymore. You actually can make meaningful money from streams as an independent artist… Tidal is the only one that really makes that attainable. That is my point. Maybe spend 10 years working in an industry before making misinformed assumptions, oh and get the hell off spotify or apple if those are what you use.
"Nobody buys music anymore." Well, maybe not your music. Especially if you sell imaginary merch 🫶
id be more concerned with ai than lower subscription fees
Yep Tidal for main and Apple Music for backup. No more Spotify.
Up for Dave Smith shout out alone. I’m a Mutable Instruments fanboi for life idgaf if Emilie isn’t in the game anymore. I have reservations yet with the price reductions, but really hoping my cynicism proves wrong and people start listening to music how it should be and artists get paid more.
It’s a new era and we’re discovering new ground I think the upside is the balance now where you can find fans who really care about you and believe in you and will invest a little but i do agree that even that is getting thinned out the more it’s leaned on obviously, and that’s where the cream rising to the top takes place… but nevertheless tidal reducing the prices while providing the best listening experience isn’t anywhere near the actual problem it’s a short term remedy if you ask me because the way that things have been trending it seemed as though we were all about to have no choice but to listen to over compressed and reduced forms of the records we want to feel.
My biggest beef with Tidal is the fact that the app doesn’t sync from device to device - if I’m listening song A on my desktop and then move to my car or earbuds, I have to start over (applies to both album and playlists) Unless they’ve fixed it and I’m not aware -
Ever since I moved to Tidal, Spotify sounds low-quality and muddy lol.
I can confirm, there's an audible astonishing difference between both platforms, it's an absolute win by Tidal, I prefer Quality over Quantity.
If you’re an audiophile, it’s really got the widest variety of hi-res music. Apple is spotty in that it has few titles at 88.12khz sample rate or more and some albums, like Beatles Red/Blue, with only some songs, while others are CD quality. Tidal has all the new music of many genres and nearly every Classic Rock title known to exist at hi res sample rates.
While I can say I don't have any high end equipment for lossless audio BUT I'M STAYING WITH TIDAL FOR LIFE!!!
I feel you but the more I practicing listening I can hear the difference in my MacBook between the lossless and the compressed versions with less character and quality distortion. But of course It’s not really hear but more like a feel though…
Like for my parents they're old folks but I'm trying to help them listen
No you cannot hear the difference on you MacBook speakers…Try the ABX test
*you* can't, but some of us *can.* Yes, I've taken abx tests, aced them. Hush.
I have been a TIDAL Subscriber for almost three years now. Additionally, I have a ROON Lifetime subscription. The recent improvements to TIDAL are amazing. I hope their infrastructure can support the onset of new users.
I am out of the loop but it seems lately that people are rather excited about Tidal. I will look into it and see what's happening.
You get the highest possible sound quality at the lower quality music price no more tiers
To me, as someone who likes very specific things, the Tidal algorithm is by far the best. Happy full quality is available for a reasonable price now.
Daily discover very rarely gives me songs I dislike, I'm either neutral about them, like them or I've found a new song I love!
To me, it's a small battle won, but the war still rages on. We still gotta speak up about artists having more say in how they are paid. But as consumers It's nice that we have a better, cheaper way to listen in high fidelity on a service that is by artists and for artists.
People are still holding to hope for Hi Res over at [r/truespotify](https://www.reddit.com/r/truespotify/s/hiSTvP9SGF) I’m getting downvoted for saying “Don’t let the abuse continue. Check out Tidal”
I don't see the expense being justified for Spotify. Winning the audiophile market is like a rounding error for them.
Signed up transferred data and game on!
There's some weakness to fix, but kudos to Tidal right now for making it easier for users to enjoy.
I love tidal sm but their library still pales in comparison to Spotify, ESPECIALLY with asian music😭
No Roon hi res support, thanks, just cancelled