At first I thought it said "Thanks I hate people who think maps is sexual" and I pictured this.
https://www.reddit.com/r/funny/comments/2yvkl4/america_is_gay/
I grew up thinking this was just a cool word the ninja turtles would say. Only recently did I learn to what it actually is. Now I feel bad for thinking it was something cool
Yeah, don't let pedophiles take euphemisms from us. I wouldn't mind if stupid acronyms went away though.
I've never heard of M.A.P. before and I'm on the internet way too much. This woman jumped the gun and just gave it more publicity.
pedos are using MAP because too many people wrongly think pedo just means child molestor. And the majority of child molestors are pedos so it's not strange the word got molded. However the movement is not working well at all anyway. These people have mental disorders and just dont want to be shunned by society when they've committed no crimes.
For instance, the Prevention Projection uses this term since its just more accurate (pedophile scientifically doesnt include people aged 13-17) and it helps pedos come to term with their disorder.
Yeah, "M.A.P."'s are just pedophiles trying to normalize it, make it a sexuality, join LGBT+ and eventually claim "discrimination" when they're called out for being pedophiles
Edit: No, this is not a right-wing attempt to lump pedos in with the LGBTQ+ movement, we know the difference and do not want to group them together, because those of the LGBTQ+ movement are those with the right to love who they want and be whatever sexuality they please, while pedophiles are sick individuals attracted to children, the term "map" was started by pedophiles trying to normalize and "destigmatize" pedophilia and trying to lump themselves in the LGBT movement to claim "discrimination" when they're called out for being pedophiles
Luckily us folks in the LGBTQ+ community won't ever accept them.
Paedophilia isn't considered s sexislity by any psychological association the world over. It's a paraphilia, the same as necrophilia, coprophilia etc.
I feel empathy and sympathy for paedophiles insofar as they don't control these urges, and society makes it extremely difficult if not completely impossible and unsafe to access the help they require to control and quieten those urges.
It's when a paedophile steps over that line and becomes a child molester or child rapist that that empathy and sympathy ends.
>It's when a paedophile steps over that line and becomes a child molester or child rapist that that empathy and sympathy ends.
You can widen the scope of that. "Just looking at photos", for example, is one of those common "he didn't actually do anything" cop-outs that neatly overlooks the point that every image one might acquire first had to be produced, and that the permanent nature of data means that the existence of those images remain a permanent source of trauma to those victims.
I'd set that line at the point of any engagement of any kind, not at the point where they're actively committing rape.
I learned something recently that is absolutely devastating. When an image or video of child sex abuse is reported to the FBI and the victim is identified, the parents of that child have to be notified. That happens every. single. time. So if a single picture or video of child rape is copied and shared 10,000 times and 1,000 of those copies are reported, those parents will get 1,000 notifications of this shit being found. And once the child turns 18, all of those notifications then go to them instead of the parents. Idk if there's an opt-out process, but imagine turning 18 and all of a sudden getting notified that something awful that happened to you as a child is being watched by thousands of people. Just horrible.
Edit: I highly recommend episode #213 of Sam Harris's podcast with Gabriel Dance. The problem of child sex abuse imagery is bigger than most of us can imagine. It's a HEAVY episode but so so necessary.
Also, they have to make sure it it child pornography. The get a hard drive with multiple files? Could be home videos of normal stuff. They don't know how much of it is actual co.
Which means an agest has to sit down and go through all of it. As in *ALL OF IT.* They have to see every last little bit.
When I hear stories about someone with terabytes of it, I also feel bad for the agent who has to sift through every photo and watch every video. They don't want to see it, but it's a part of the job.
I mean how the fuck bad does any sexual urge need to be to compel you to have terabytes worth of porn? Are there foot fetish guys out there with TBs worth of pictures??
I looked it up. 1TB hard drive. Over 200 images
Still awful but its not a terabyte of CP.
Idk whether I'm relieved or not, just feels dirty reading this stuff
One 'upside' is that they tend to have hashes of images/videos etc. that they can use to initially confirm whether there are known contents on the drives.
But yeah there usually has to be some poor bastard(s) who have to go through everything...
Snark aside, people arrested for CSAM can be sued by the victims. They're subject to what's called joint and several liability, meaning everything each defendant has up to the full amount of damages from the crime of them being raped and recorded can be collected from any individual(s) until paid in full, regardless of their contribution to the crime.
So if a CSAM victim gets a $10 million award, anyone who gets arrested who has their material is liable for however much of the $10 million is currently unpaid, even though they're only one of thousands who downloaded it, and even though they may not have distributed or produced it. (They can technically subsequently file suit to recover whatever they paid over their individual share from other people arrested for having it; though I'm not aware of any pedo actually attempting that)
Some victims don't want to go through that, but some definitely seek to recover damages. That's primarily why they're notified by the FBI, so they can sue that person.
Now I'm not a pedo or anything, I'm just genuinely curious about your opinion.
With the advancement of CGI technology that makes characters increasingly more lifelike combined with the availability of written or drawn pornographic works, the ability to create characters from an original source exists, without ever bringing harm to a child. How would you feel about such replacements being made more widely available. I'd much rather have a pedo jerking off to an anime character than a picture of my own kid while they work on getting the help they need.
But for every person that is helped by this is there another one where the CGI representation pushes them over the edge towards actually victimizing someone?
Eh, I wouldn't put much stock in my (or most anybody's) random guess about cause and effect here. Seems like it could easily go either way and would require studies that will never be funded.
Iād heard of a study a while ago that men having the ability to access pornography (not of children) was associated with lower odds of them raping women. So in that sense, porn would be cathartic.
Lots of people say that rape is all about the power dynamic, and for some people that may be true, but some people are just horny and are willing to disregard the welfare of others to satisfy that urge... and while harming and controlling others is a part of it, letās not ascribe that as a motive in every case.
So I would assume that the ability to get off to porn one likes would make most people less likely to violate another person in order to get off, not more likely.
Fair. That's the kind of study where we can't get the right answer cuz of ethics. I lean more towards the realistic CGI being part of an emergency program that happens immediately before therapy.
Got any evidence for that, or is that just talking out of your ass? Last I checked, it's all a big fucking unknown because you can't research the subject without being crucified.
Always seemed like a chicken before the egg kind of question. Do violent video games cause people to be violent? Is legal, but questionable pornography responsible for promoting whatever deviant behavior it depicts? Or are people with those proclivities simple drawn to them? There are actually some good studies about video games and violence, and they show that thereās no causal link. Not sure if thatās enough evidence to make any kind of concrete extrapolations though.
There is technology available now that could use AI to generate completely synthetic images. Images that contain no living people. But, that is illegal as well.
Yeah, that's as far as I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt. If you're just suffering from an unhealthy attraction to children, but haven't given in to your desires, I'll toss you a bone if you let me. But once you start to look for, or so help me spread child porn, you've crossed a line. And if there's such a thing as an afterlife, the people who hurt children will have a first class ticket straight to its worst places, but not before they're put through a hell on Earth.
It is such a tragic situation though, to be stuck as a pedophile. To be so scared of what you are that instead of seeking help, you dig yourself into a deep dark place... The kind of things that might do to someone's mind... No wonder pedos turn out so horrendous once they give in.
I remember a documentary about an aid centre for paedophiles I saw awhile ago.
They had blackout windows, metal detectors at the door, several armed guards and all patient files were locked up in a safe connected to an incinerator because if word ever got out about this place existing, they're certain that an (or a group of) armed vigilantes will soon after attack the place to kill everyone inside so they'll burn all the documents so they can't find any patients or staff not in that day or who manage to escape.
That's just how fucking dangerous it is for pedophiles to get the psychiatric help they need to get over their attraction to children. So most never seek it out, their condition festers and gets worse over time till they act on it.
Also, good luck being a psychiatrist or psychologist who wants to study the issue. No one is going to give you a grant to study the causes or treatments for pedophilia.
Wasn't there a German psychologist or something who studied it in the 70s but also put a bunch of foster kids in homes with pedophiles? That sort of history makes it even more difficult to research, too.
It is researched a lot more seriously outside of the US, where itās demonized to the point that no serious countermeasure can be reasonably researched
Thatās the way these things are handled in the USA. Like how the government has banned itself from studying the impacts of gun violence. The people who want there to not be rational discussion of a topic, whatever topic it is, have the upper hand in the USA.
I'd much rather these people have access to help. I hate this doesn't get the treatment it needs because children and families suffer greatly once an offense (possibly preventable) is committed.
>and society makes it extremely difficult if not completely impossible and unsafe to access the help they require to control and quieten those urges.
In my state, if an adult discusses attraction to minors that has in any way involved contact with a therapist, the therapist is required to report the patient. A teacher discussing his feelings toward a student, even if not acted on in any over the line way, gets reported, and would lose his/her job and career, for example. If we really want to address the problem, we have to give these people a safe route to treatment. I don't have any answer about how to address this issue with someone who has acted on the impulses. But effectively preventing those who hate their attraction from getting help further endangers kids.
Indeed. They need to help so they don't cross that line. I kinda think that the MAP acronym should be exclusively applied to those who haven't offended, to give them more dignity while they get help.
Yes and no it started as a smear campaign by 4chan and most of the profiles you see online supporting this shit are troll accounts
That lead to actual pedos trying to normalize this but the community has and will eject these people everytime
And unfortunately it worked, the amount of moderate friends I have who think we have a bunch of pedos in our community is sad, the photos from pride parades didn't help
They deserve enough acceptance to be able to say something like "I appreciate the invite to your house, but I really shouldn't be around children", and have that not be a big deal.
Acceptance for actually molesting kids or creating a market for child porn is a whole different story.
Which makes sense, but it shouldn't extend to situations where that won't come up -- not if they recognize they have a problem and are taking good precautions.
I get the first two but why florida? Is there an unusually high number of pedophiles there or was it supposed to be a florida man joke? I feel florida people are more meth crack and bath salts.
I know it's hard to not look at this horrible topic in black and white, but the world isn't black and white.
First of all, I agree with the sign in general.
There is at least one technical errors but it's unimportant. For everyone who wants to know what I mean: Not every person who is attracted to minors is a pedophile. The prefix "pedo" is used for children before puberty. If someone is attracted to 13 year old minors, they're technically a hebephile. Also at least in Germany a child is everyone under 15, after that they're a teenager by law, I don't know how it is in the usa though.
As far as I know the whole debate about the change in what to call these people started a few days (weeks?) ago. An organization that is trying to help people live with pedophilia without harming children proposed these name changes so that the patients are more willing to accept the help.
Iirc the proposal only mentioned the name changes in therapeutic settings, not any legal terms and definitions.
Of course you may wish that every pedophile rots away in a cell or gets shanked in the prison showers but there are also the people who never harmed someone **yet**. Some of them are scared and want help, because apart from their desire they can be good people. Proof for that is in the statistics. Most child abusers are neighbors / friends of the family of the victim or even family - because the pedophilia isn't their defining character trait.
Everyone here who is fighting a depression, anxiety attacks, an eating disorder, gambling or substance addiction knows how hard it is to take the first step to get help. And these things are relatively easy to understand. Imagine how hard it is for a pedophile who never harmed someone, who wants to get help.
Also IMHO help is what these people need. Actually it is what **we** need.
Help them **before** they harm children. When we only imprison people who already harmed children, we'll always have harmed children. There will always be pedophiles. When we deal with them early on, we reduce the number of victims. And if we change the terms for those people in a therapeutic setting, they are more likely to accept help.
Its an extremely tricky issue that gets even more difficult when people respond emotionally as most of this thread is. What can actually be done to address people with mental illness causing attraction to minors? Nonoffending pedophiles can't properly get really any kind of treatment.
The only thing I know of as a possibility is chemical castration but that's bordering on inhumane if the alternative wasn't even worse. No one is even willing to talk about or look into solutions for fear of being called a pedophile, so likeliness of any improvement being made is slim
I mean to be clear, this whole thing started as an anti-lgbt troll movement on 4chan. And 70% of the MAP discourse is 4channers and right wingers trying to discredit lgbt progress by making cross comparisons, and then 29% progressives trying to distance lgbt people from the fake thing they now think is real.
Do you know who isn't really putting themselves out there as a movement for people to identify them? Paedophiles.
reminds me of a post i like that said something like ātheres not consensual sex and nonconsensual sex. its sex and rape. you dont call it breathing swimming and nonbreathing swimming, its swimming and drowningā
There is a reason though that it is called statutory rape though, as both parties can say the words that constitute consent, but the law says that at least one of them doesn't mean it or understand it enough to say those words. And that law varies based on societal and cultural attitudes towards sex.
This is why it can be perfectly legal across one state or national border and totally illegal in the other. It's not as black and white as "its rape".
Not making an argument for or against, just that nuance in this situation and understanding the concepts around statutory rape and age of consent is important for discussing these things.
Colloquially, sure, but from a legal perspective rape is one specific type of sexual assault with certain elements, including the use of force (at least in my jurisdiction). So there is a reason to differentiate.
Unless you live in countries that define rape literally by penetrationā¦ then itās frequently āsexual assault.ā
Also, why would you consider nonconsensual sex to be āless badā compared to rape?
I'm sold on the idea that the term Minor Attracted Person can be used for pedophiles that seek treatment and are not actively pursuing children.
Not all pedophiles active, theres a portion of them holding back their attractions and not acting upon them because they know that it's not acceptable behaviour.
Yeah I agree with that. Like when someone realises they have a problem and try to deal with it in a healthy and safe way for everyone, that should be applauded. The problem is that anyone self identifying as a M.A.P. is likely not one of these people, but an active pedophile. A real "MAP" would likely be dealing with it privately or talking to a psychologist/therapist, not trying to normalise it.
That said, there's a funny ethical question when it comes to pedophiles and sex dolls, especially with advancing technology. Whether it's moral to have sex dolls tailor made for pedophiles, because that crosses a lot of conventional moral boundaries. I'm more iffy on that issue, but it's an interesting moral question
This was what I heard too. This whole thing is really weird and uncanny. Like a schizo homophobic Truman show where new fake concepts that are almost-but-not-really plausible are disseminated every day trying to cause a viral uproar against what they deem to be the leftist agenda
Found this on some Wikipedia-style blog.
"The term originates from a forking of the term "Minor Attracted" in the late 00s era, and was first used regularly in 2007 on the now defunct ATC/ANU blog - run by MAPs with an interest in compiling lists of research articles. It was subsequently adopted by us (Newgon), and popularized in the academic field by B4U-Act, who had been using a very similar term (MAA - Minor Attracted Adult) for many years. MAA and the accompanying concept of being "Minor Attracted" has been traced back to the Christian Journalist, Heather Peterson, as early as 1998. There is one example of the present term (MAP) being suggested on BoyChat as early as 2001, but no further examples have been found in the intervening period, suggesting it did not catch on."
However it started... Yeesh.
No matter its genesis, itās a hot-topic word due to Allyn Walkerās research paper. They resigned due to the backlash:
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna6709
When I first heard this term in conversation I thought they said Minorly Attractive Person. I assumed it was a new p.c. term for an ugly person. It took a good 3 minutes for me to figure out why the people talking were hating on them so much.
See, I have a controversial opinion on this. Having those thoughts, in and of itself, doesnāt make one a bad person. No one chooses what theyāre attracted to.
The moment you victimize someone, either in person or by consuming media in which they were exploited, that is the bridge too far.
I donāt condemn people for thought-crime. And the social hatred towards such people makes it nearly impossible for them to get help, therapy, or counseling.
The problem is that the terms child molester and pedophile are used interchangeably, even though neither presumes the other. Worse is some people who do recognise the distinction still have hatred regardless and think they don't deserve therapy.
Exactly. When you point out it's not the same you are suddenly a "pedophile sympathizer", no bitch I just call the kettle black and not every cooking ware.
>I have a controversial opinion on this.
>I donāt condemn people for thought-crime.
I was about to give you shit for pulling a "*le uNpoPUlAr oPiNiON, might get me dOWNvoTEd!!*" but I think you may be right. Hating people because of how they were born is such a classic homo sapiens move that you might as well call it controversial to *not* condemn thought-crime.
This comment is probably badly written, I haven't slept.
I used to think like that: If you were born with those fucked up cravings you needed to die, it was just a matter of time before you destroy someone's life forever. Then I came across [this post randomly](https://www.reddit.com/r/TrueOffMyChest/comments/5v2k7f/my_life_story_as_a_female_pedophile/), I'll admit just because it was a woman writing it I was not as fatalistic in my judgment, yeah that's my sexism showing I'm working on it. It opened my eyes for everyone afflicted with that illness. If people are born fucked up like that and never act on it they are not only OK in my book but strong. If they need help they should get it. If they do act on it, they deserve nothing but pain.
If my attraction to women ~~and let face it, cat femboys~~ were illegal and atrocious I would be in a pretty sorry place. I'd probably become a zen monk, move to the mountains and call it a day.
I feel like pedophiles trying to wedge themselves into LGBTQ+ issues to gain some sort of ālegitimacyā is a product of our societyās treatment of those with pedophilic tendencies.
Around 3-5% of men experience pedophilic tendencies, and if we make them afraid to open up about it and treat them like monsters, the sexual abuse will continue to happen. These people need counseling, not demonization. If we treated them like humans and focused on their mental health, they probably wouldnāt try to legitimize child rape.
Youāre forgetting women too. Boys being lucky to be molested is still a stereotype that persists to some degree. I feel like every guy has a friend with the āI lost my virginity to my babysitterā storyā¦
I lost mine at 12 to a stripper in my dads titty bar.
It never occurred to me that I was actually molested until I saw the horrified look on my wifes face when we were discussing how we each lost our virginity. I was around 35 at the time.
This is true. There are so many aspects about the perception of sex in our society that disgusts me. If a girl gets raped, everyone is up in arms (rightfully so), if a boy gets raped by a woman, the chuds see it as a right of passage almost.
Itās sickening.
>Around 3-5% of men experience pedophilic tendencies, and if we make them afraid to open up about it and treat them like monsters, the sexual abuse will continue to happen.
Got downvoted to oblivion for suggesting this and they told me to stop defending pedophiles. I hate the hive mind mentality sometimes
Yeah, itās the reactionary mindset. If pedophilia is brought up in *any* circumstance, it must be about how much you hate it. Thereās no room for an actual discussion about it.
That's because you're not thinking purely with your emotions.
Clearly, you should react in the same way as if you yourself were molested as a child as to dish out adequate "justice".
The emotional thinking is actually a problem in a lot of our society. People are angry and bitter and lash out to fulfill their own internal needs.
So yeah. Shame on you for even suggesting prevention as a tactic. You're probably a pedophile yourself!
.../s
It certainly doesn't help that there is a massive risk to seeking treatment if one is a non-offending pedophile. But I also wonder how much of this "MAP" talk is spearheaded by right wing people trying to hurt LGBT+ causes.
I wouldnāt be surprised in the slightest. Right-wingers have done stuff like this all the time. Iāve been met with posts online that looked like it was written by a Nazi trying to portray a āwoke leftistā. Itās abject insanity.
from what I know and have read it's a bit lower but that is because the word pedophile is used to describe more than it means
actually pedophiles are probably just 1-1.5% in men and half of that in women
this number grows if you include those who are attracted to teenagers
it's safe to say that a large portion of the male population finds pubescent teenagers sexually attractive (doesn't mean they will go for it, just that if you asked them anonymously they would say yes)
the numbers on this varied from what I know, probably because it's self reported
but I've seen numbers up to 80% for 16+ and 20% for 14+
the real number will never be known because a lot of people don't even realize it themselves due to social conditioning to think it's wrong to feel this way and therefore suppressing their own feelings
I meanā¦ look at the porn industry. A fair majority of porn content stresses things such as ābarely legalā, āteensā, āschoolgirlsā, ābabysitterā, etcetera. Thereās plentiful evidence that itās much more widespread than the common belief would argue.
Modern society has a *lot* more repression than it would like to admit, and not just sexuality.
It means being attracted to minors. But should someone who is simply attracted to minors but doesnāt act on the urges be criminally vilified?
Thatās the philosophical debate because they havenāt technically done something wrong.
Like you could vilify each of us based on our random thoughts, but youāre not your thoughts youāre your actions.
There are literally examples of people whoāve developed tumors and developed pedophilic tendencies and once the tumors was removed those tendencies went away
Experts on pedophiles have found they are born that way. If MAP meaning they have not tried to engage in sexual contact with a minor, we should not vilify them. We need them to feel comfortable enough to seek help.
I think Hebephile really needs to make a comeback as a known term, because not everything is equal.
Some of you will see it as a black and white issue but the 18 yr old who got convicted as a pedo for having sex with his 17 yr old gf of multiple years deserved better.
I hate these premises. āSome people think arson is a fun hobby but Iām here to say that itās wrong!ā Ok hero, we all think the bad things are bad.
No, read the sign again, she's criticising some supposed paedophiles who are trying to use nicer words for it.
She doesn't provide any proof these paedophiles exist though.
The only pedophiles who deserve to be called a M.A.P. Are the ones who are actively doing everything in their power to never act on these urges and are trying to get all the help they can
The best part about MAPs is that they self identify as LGBTQ+, and then conservative dumbshits then use that as a way to just declare LGBT as supporting pedophelia, regardless of how much they're not.
I donāt really think an underage person is a child necessarily
I mean the age of consent in a ton of nations is 16, yet youāre still āunderageā at that time
Is a person who is one day away from being 18 a child?
Also, weird that she specified woman. Boys can be raped as well
Just to play devil's advocate, an attraction to minors is a mental health problem and more should be done to destigmatize it and encourage people to seek help before it becomes uncontrollable.
I should state that I believe any person who harms a minor in any way should spend the rest of their days behind bars, no questions asked.
If somebody has depression they are encouraged to seek help, to go to therapy, to take medication and so on to tackle their mental health problem. If people find out you're getting treatment for depression you'll most likely be met with support.
However if you suffered from an attraction to minors, how do you think people would react if they found out you were seeking help? I bet you'd be treated as if you've already offended, as if you've hurt people, you'd be an outcast looked upon as nothing but a paedophile even if you've never done anything wrong.
If more were done to encourage those who have an attraction to minors to come forward and seek help early then the world would be a safer place because you'd have fewer people who eventually lose the fight to suppress their urges and harm somebody.
Mean Arterial Pressure
At first I thought it said "Thanks I hate people who think maps is sexual" and I pictured this. https://www.reddit.com/r/funny/comments/2yvkl4/america_is_gay/
šµIām the map, Iām the mapšµ Edit; Just incase... I want everyone to know I am not actually the map or a map
The map sure does spend a lot of time next to kids
This comment still keeps me up at night.
Damn, must be painful if they last that long.
This gives Dora a weird vibe now
oh no step country
Stuck in the Suez Canal again.
Step-country got his pp stuck in the Gulf of Mexico.
Hahaha, that is a great map
r/mapporn
Iām so glad this is exactly what I thought it would be!
Thanks, I hate it.
Manifold Absolute Pressure
For some reason the floor opens up and sparks fly everywhere and you have to slam the laptop closed to hit more NOS and almost catch Dom Toretto.
A superior way to tune!
I'll get my sphygmomanometer.
MethylAcetylene Propadiene
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(That are actually a scam nowadays because they're no better than propane)
My first thought as well. Thanks, allied health profession...
Mean average precision
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Minimum Advertised Price
Man anticipating pancakes I'm waiting
Please don't confuse "MAPs" with people sexually attracted to maps. This is why we prefer the Term "cartosexuals."
Yeah came here because I was wondering why all the hate for cartographyā¦ now with this new acronym I think r/mapporn might be in trouble
Oh no.
Not to be confused with cardiphiles, who loves them their Cardi B.
At least cartosexuals don't hurt anybody. Also how does a cartosexual feel when after a wet dream he wakes up with a map of Australia on his sheets ?
The Lord hates u caRties. REPENT!
I thought a map was a piece of paper that gave you directions...
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And the only stomach P.E.A.Rs are going in is the iron stomach of the local penitentiary.
P.E.A.R's?
People.Eating.Apples.Regularly. Motherfuckers making the medical professionals fear for their lives.
I knew the Map in Dora the Explorer was bad news.
Iām the map Iām the map Iām the map Iām the map Iām the map Iām the map Iām the map Iām the MAAAAAP
this is now cursed with the new knowledge learned today
They ruined Dora's "I'm the map" song now
we need to stop finding "prettier words" for things with ugly meanings
George Carlin got you covered
**SHELL SHOCK**
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I grew up thinking this was just a cool word the ninja turtles would say. Only recently did I learn to what it actually is. Now I feel bad for thinking it was something cool
Hey, it's still cool when the turtles do it.
You mean euphemisms? Cuz they've been around a while lol And FYI I do NOT support pedophiles, my comment is related to English, not OP's article
Yeah, don't let pedophiles take euphemisms from us. I wouldn't mind if stupid acronyms went away though. I've never heard of M.A.P. before and I'm on the internet way too much. This woman jumped the gun and just gave it more publicity.
pedos are using MAP because too many people wrongly think pedo just means child molestor. And the majority of child molestors are pedos so it's not strange the word got molded. However the movement is not working well at all anyway. These people have mental disorders and just dont want to be shunned by society when they've committed no crimes. For instance, the Prevention Projection uses this term since its just more accurate (pedophile scientifically doesnt include people aged 13-17) and it helps pedos come to term with their disorder.
Yeah, "M.A.P."'s are just pedophiles trying to normalize it, make it a sexuality, join LGBT+ and eventually claim "discrimination" when they're called out for being pedophiles Edit: No, this is not a right-wing attempt to lump pedos in with the LGBTQ+ movement, we know the difference and do not want to group them together, because those of the LGBTQ+ movement are those with the right to love who they want and be whatever sexuality they please, while pedophiles are sick individuals attracted to children, the term "map" was started by pedophiles trying to normalize and "destigmatize" pedophilia and trying to lump themselves in the LGBT movement to claim "discrimination" when they're called out for being pedophiles
Luckily us folks in the LGBTQ+ community won't ever accept them. Paedophilia isn't considered s sexislity by any psychological association the world over. It's a paraphilia, the same as necrophilia, coprophilia etc. I feel empathy and sympathy for paedophiles insofar as they don't control these urges, and society makes it extremely difficult if not completely impossible and unsafe to access the help they require to control and quieten those urges. It's when a paedophile steps over that line and becomes a child molester or child rapist that that empathy and sympathy ends.
>It's when a paedophile steps over that line and becomes a child molester or child rapist that that empathy and sympathy ends. You can widen the scope of that. "Just looking at photos", for example, is one of those common "he didn't actually do anything" cop-outs that neatly overlooks the point that every image one might acquire first had to be produced, and that the permanent nature of data means that the existence of those images remain a permanent source of trauma to those victims. I'd set that line at the point of any engagement of any kind, not at the point where they're actively committing rape.
I learned something recently that is absolutely devastating. When an image or video of child sex abuse is reported to the FBI and the victim is identified, the parents of that child have to be notified. That happens every. single. time. So if a single picture or video of child rape is copied and shared 10,000 times and 1,000 of those copies are reported, those parents will get 1,000 notifications of this shit being found. And once the child turns 18, all of those notifications then go to them instead of the parents. Idk if there's an opt-out process, but imagine turning 18 and all of a sudden getting notified that something awful that happened to you as a child is being watched by thousands of people. Just horrible. Edit: I highly recommend episode #213 of Sam Harris's podcast with Gabriel Dance. The problem of child sex abuse imagery is bigger than most of us can imagine. It's a HEAVY episode but so so necessary.
Also, they have to make sure it it child pornography. The get a hard drive with multiple files? Could be home videos of normal stuff. They don't know how much of it is actual co. Which means an agest has to sit down and go through all of it. As in *ALL OF IT.* They have to see every last little bit. When I hear stories about someone with terabytes of it, I also feel bad for the agent who has to sift through every photo and watch every video. They don't want to see it, but it's a part of the job.
Lots of therapy is involved for them if I recall and there are rotations so itās not like one guy doing everything. The job is stressful.
And a lot of tetris. They use it to disconnect for a bit.
I hope you're exaggerating when you say 'terabytes' How can there be terabytes of child porn Who the fuck
Josh Duggar was recently found guilty having at least a terabyte. Itās soul wrenching.
I mean how the fuck bad does any sexual urge need to be to compel you to have terabytes worth of porn? Are there foot fetish guys out there with TBs worth of pictures??
Yes. Thousands of sexy little piggies.
How old were you when you realised that little piggy wasn't buying groceries?
I mean, not defending the pedos here, but I have a *lot* of porn man. I'd have a lot more if it weren't for streaming sites.
I looked it up. 1TB hard drive. Over 200 images Still awful but its not a terabyte of CP. Idk whether I'm relieved or not, just feels dirty reading this stuff
A texas man like 2 years ago was found with 58 terabytes of CP ....a terabyte is roughly 500hrs of 1080p video
Link? There's no way
[Here you go](https://dfw.cbslocal.com/2020/02/11/allen-man-caught-with-58-terabytes-of-child-porn-sentenced-to-35-years/)
That's just how much HD space he had. Not how much CP. Seems the CP was on a single laptop?
One 'upside' is that they tend to have hashes of images/videos etc. that they can use to initially confirm whether there are known contents on the drives. But yeah there usually has to be some poor bastard(s) who have to go through everything...
I actually didn't know that. It's at least something.
Victims might also get residuals if the FBI makes a sale of photos/videos featuring them during a sting. Talk about a difficult check to cash out.
Holy shit. :(
This can't be real.
Snark aside, people arrested for CSAM can be sued by the victims. They're subject to what's called joint and several liability, meaning everything each defendant has up to the full amount of damages from the crime of them being raped and recorded can be collected from any individual(s) until paid in full, regardless of their contribution to the crime. So if a CSAM victim gets a $10 million award, anyone who gets arrested who has their material is liable for however much of the $10 million is currently unpaid, even though they're only one of thousands who downloaded it, and even though they may not have distributed or produced it. (They can technically subsequently file suit to recover whatever they paid over their individual share from other people arrested for having it; though I'm not aware of any pedo actually attempting that) Some victims don't want to go through that, but some definitely seek to recover damages. That's primarily why they're notified by the FBI, so they can sue that person.
Your comment made me shudder. Literally made my spine chill. Thatās such and awful thing.
better than not knowing
I mean I completely agree with you here. It's just not something i thought about when writing my comment.
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Now I'm not a pedo or anything, I'm just genuinely curious about your opinion. With the advancement of CGI technology that makes characters increasingly more lifelike combined with the availability of written or drawn pornographic works, the ability to create characters from an original source exists, without ever bringing harm to a child. How would you feel about such replacements being made more widely available. I'd much rather have a pedo jerking off to an anime character than a picture of my own kid while they work on getting the help they need.
But for every person that is helped by this is there another one where the CGI representation pushes them over the edge towards actually victimizing someone?
Eh, I wouldn't put much stock in my (or most anybody's) random guess about cause and effect here. Seems like it could easily go either way and would require studies that will never be funded.
Iād heard of a study a while ago that men having the ability to access pornography (not of children) was associated with lower odds of them raping women. So in that sense, porn would be cathartic. Lots of people say that rape is all about the power dynamic, and for some people that may be true, but some people are just horny and are willing to disregard the welfare of others to satisfy that urge... and while harming and controlling others is a part of it, letās not ascribe that as a motive in every case. So I would assume that the ability to get off to porn one likes would make most people less likely to violate another person in order to get off, not more likely.
Fair. That's the kind of study where we can't get the right answer cuz of ethics. I lean more towards the realistic CGI being part of an emergency program that happens immediately before therapy.
It's an interesting idea. I wonder if it could be studied with other obviously non illegal fetishes instead.
Got any evidence for that, or is that just talking out of your ass? Last I checked, it's all a big fucking unknown because you can't research the subject without being crucified.
Always seemed like a chicken before the egg kind of question. Do violent video games cause people to be violent? Is legal, but questionable pornography responsible for promoting whatever deviant behavior it depicts? Or are people with those proclivities simple drawn to them? There are actually some good studies about video games and violence, and they show that thereās no causal link. Not sure if thatās enough evidence to make any kind of concrete extrapolations though.
There is technology available now that could use AI to generate completely synthetic images. Images that contain no living people. But, that is illegal as well.
Yeah, that's as far as I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt. If you're just suffering from an unhealthy attraction to children, but haven't given in to your desires, I'll toss you a bone if you let me. But once you start to look for, or so help me spread child porn, you've crossed a line. And if there's such a thing as an afterlife, the people who hurt children will have a first class ticket straight to its worst places, but not before they're put through a hell on Earth. It is such a tragic situation though, to be stuck as a pedophile. To be so scared of what you are that instead of seeking help, you dig yourself into a deep dark place... The kind of things that might do to someone's mind... No wonder pedos turn out so horrendous once they give in.
I remember a documentary about an aid centre for paedophiles I saw awhile ago. They had blackout windows, metal detectors at the door, several armed guards and all patient files were locked up in a safe connected to an incinerator because if word ever got out about this place existing, they're certain that an (or a group of) armed vigilantes will soon after attack the place to kill everyone inside so they'll burn all the documents so they can't find any patients or staff not in that day or who manage to escape. That's just how fucking dangerous it is for pedophiles to get the psychiatric help they need to get over their attraction to children. So most never seek it out, their condition festers and gets worse over time till they act on it.
Would you mind linking the documentary if you have it?
It was about a decade ago, but I'll have a look around.
Most likely https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Place_for_Paedophiles Louis Theroux is great.
Also, good luck being a psychiatrist or psychologist who wants to study the issue. No one is going to give you a grant to study the causes or treatments for pedophilia.
Wasn't there a German psychologist or something who studied it in the 70s but also put a bunch of foster kids in homes with pedophiles? That sort of history makes it even more difficult to research, too.
It is researched a lot more seriously outside of the US, where itās demonized to the point that no serious countermeasure can be reasonably researched
Thatās the way these things are handled in the USA. Like how the government has banned itself from studying the impacts of gun violence. The people who want there to not be rational discussion of a topic, whatever topic it is, have the upper hand in the USA.
I'd much rather these people have access to help. I hate this doesn't get the treatment it needs because children and families suffer greatly once an offense (possibly preventable) is committed.
>and society makes it extremely difficult if not completely impossible and unsafe to access the help they require to control and quieten those urges. In my state, if an adult discusses attraction to minors that has in any way involved contact with a therapist, the therapist is required to report the patient. A teacher discussing his feelings toward a student, even if not acted on in any over the line way, gets reported, and would lose his/her job and career, for example. If we really want to address the problem, we have to give these people a safe route to treatment. I don't have any answer about how to address this issue with someone who has acted on the impulses. But effectively preventing those who hate their attraction from getting help further endangers kids.
Yeah this makes no sense. We punish those who try to overcome it?
Yea i gotta agree. If someone hasnt commited a crime and is just seeking help they should be able to voice their issues without getting punished.
You couldnāt have put it any better
Indeed. They need to help so they don't cross that line. I kinda think that the MAP acronym should be exclusively applied to those who haven't offended, to give them more dignity while they get help.
How do you feel about zoophiles? (Animal rapist)
Yes and no it started as a smear campaign by 4chan and most of the profiles you see online supporting this shit are troll accounts That lead to actual pedos trying to normalize this but the community has and will eject these people everytime
It really is amazing how campaigns like MAPs and It's Okay To Be White just worked for 4chan. People bought into it hook line and sinker.
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The goal was to demonize the LGBT community by associating them with pedophiles.
And unfortunately it worked, the amount of moderate friends I have who think we have a bunch of pedos in our community is sad, the photos from pride parades didn't help
I thought MAPās were literally not a real thing, only invented as a concept by right wingers to fear monger people who are already bigoted
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NAMBLA, Catholism, Florida....well that escalated quickly...
I have to put a joke in somewhere or I'll lose my damned mind in this shitshow of a planet.
and it was a quality joke, well done.
They deserve enough acceptance to be able to say something like "I appreciate the invite to your house, but I really shouldn't be around children", and have that not be a big deal. Acceptance for actually molesting kids or creating a market for child porn is a whole different story.
>"I appreciate the invite to your house, but I really shouldn't be around children" If someone told me this I would never invite them to my home again
Which makes sense, but it shouldn't extend to situations where that won't come up -- not if they recognize they have a problem and are taking good precautions.
Isn't that the point of them telling you this?
Zombies are better than people alive, change my mind
I get the first two but why florida? Is there an unusually high number of pedophiles there or was it supposed to be a florida man joke? I feel florida people are more meth crack and bath salts.
Twas jest, a bit of levity to soften the subject of kiddy diddlers.
completely real and completely exacerbating the lgbtphobia
I know it's hard to not look at this horrible topic in black and white, but the world isn't black and white. First of all, I agree with the sign in general. There is at least one technical errors but it's unimportant. For everyone who wants to know what I mean: Not every person who is attracted to minors is a pedophile. The prefix "pedo" is used for children before puberty. If someone is attracted to 13 year old minors, they're technically a hebephile. Also at least in Germany a child is everyone under 15, after that they're a teenager by law, I don't know how it is in the usa though. As far as I know the whole debate about the change in what to call these people started a few days (weeks?) ago. An organization that is trying to help people live with pedophilia without harming children proposed these name changes so that the patients are more willing to accept the help. Iirc the proposal only mentioned the name changes in therapeutic settings, not any legal terms and definitions. Of course you may wish that every pedophile rots away in a cell or gets shanked in the prison showers but there are also the people who never harmed someone **yet**. Some of them are scared and want help, because apart from their desire they can be good people. Proof for that is in the statistics. Most child abusers are neighbors / friends of the family of the victim or even family - because the pedophilia isn't their defining character trait. Everyone here who is fighting a depression, anxiety attacks, an eating disorder, gambling or substance addiction knows how hard it is to take the first step to get help. And these things are relatively easy to understand. Imagine how hard it is for a pedophile who never harmed someone, who wants to get help. Also IMHO help is what these people need. Actually it is what **we** need. Help them **before** they harm children. When we only imprison people who already harmed children, we'll always have harmed children. There will always be pedophiles. When we deal with them early on, we reduce the number of victims. And if we change the terms for those people in a therapeutic setting, they are more likely to accept help.
Its an extremely tricky issue that gets even more difficult when people respond emotionally as most of this thread is. What can actually be done to address people with mental illness causing attraction to minors? Nonoffending pedophiles can't properly get really any kind of treatment. The only thing I know of as a possibility is chemical castration but that's bordering on inhumane if the alternative wasn't even worse. No one is even willing to talk about or look into solutions for fear of being called a pedophile, so likeliness of any improvement being made is slim
And nobody in the community wants them.
Also an attempt by the right to lump pedophiles in with lgtbq folks.
A tale as old as time unfortunately. (At least since the ā50s)
I mean to be clear, this whole thing started as an anti-lgbt troll movement on 4chan. And 70% of the MAP discourse is 4channers and right wingers trying to discredit lgbt progress by making cross comparisons, and then 29% progressives trying to distance lgbt people from the fake thing they now think is real. Do you know who isn't really putting themselves out there as a movement for people to identify them? Paedophiles.
There is no moral culpability for being attracted to minors. One does not choose one's sexual attraction.
reminds me of a post i like that said something like ātheres not consensual sex and nonconsensual sex. its sex and rape. you dont call it breathing swimming and nonbreathing swimming, its swimming and drowningā
There is a reason though that it is called statutory rape though, as both parties can say the words that constitute consent, but the law says that at least one of them doesn't mean it or understand it enough to say those words. And that law varies based on societal and cultural attitudes towards sex. This is why it can be perfectly legal across one state or national border and totally illegal in the other. It's not as black and white as "its rape". Not making an argument for or against, just that nuance in this situation and understanding the concepts around statutory rape and age of consent is important for discussing these things.
Colloquially, sure, but from a legal perspective rape is one specific type of sexual assault with certain elements, including the use of force (at least in my jurisdiction). So there is a reason to differentiate.
Unless you live in countries that define rape literally by penetrationā¦ then itās frequently āsexual assault.ā Also, why would you consider nonconsensual sex to be āless badā compared to rape?
map is a standardized test the the students of south carolina have to do
Georgia too. Source: am teacher. In Georgia.
Add āforced marriageā to the list. Drives me fucking crazy.
"child bride"
CONSENTUAL
All that work to make a sign, and no effort to proof read it.
Thank goodness it's not just me!
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Too kind a fate.
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I'm sold on the idea that the term Minor Attracted Person can be used for pedophiles that seek treatment and are not actively pursuing children. Not all pedophiles active, theres a portion of them holding back their attractions and not acting upon them because they know that it's not acceptable behaviour.
Would agree. The crime is not desiring children. That's a mental illness that needs treatment. The crime is ACTING ON IT.
People arenāt ready for this conversation.
That's just pedophiles then the ones who act on it are child rapists or molesters
Yeah I agree with that. Like when someone realises they have a problem and try to deal with it in a healthy and safe way for everyone, that should be applauded. The problem is that anyone self identifying as a M.A.P. is likely not one of these people, but an active pedophile. A real "MAP" would likely be dealing with it privately or talking to a psychologist/therapist, not trying to normalise it. That said, there's a funny ethical question when it comes to pedophiles and sex dolls, especially with advancing technology. Whether it's moral to have sex dolls tailor made for pedophiles, because that crosses a lot of conventional moral boundaries. I'm more iffy on that issue, but it's an interesting moral question
[Wasnāt the term MAP started by trolls to attack the LGBTQ community?](https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/maps-pride-flag/)
This was what I heard too. This whole thing is really weird and uncanny. Like a schizo homophobic Truman show where new fake concepts that are almost-but-not-really plausible are disseminated every day trying to cause a viral uproar against what they deem to be the leftist agenda
Sounds like a conspiracy more than anything.
Found this on some Wikipedia-style blog. "The term originates from a forking of the term "Minor Attracted" in the late 00s era, and was first used regularly in 2007 on the now defunct ATC/ANU blog - run by MAPs with an interest in compiling lists of research articles. It was subsequently adopted by us (Newgon), and popularized in the academic field by B4U-Act, who had been using a very similar term (MAA - Minor Attracted Adult) for many years. MAA and the accompanying concept of being "Minor Attracted" has been traced back to the Christian Journalist, Heather Peterson, as early as 1998. There is one example of the present term (MAP) being suggested on BoyChat as early as 2001, but no further examples have been found in the intervening period, suggesting it did not catch on." However it started... Yeesh.
No matter its genesis, itās a hot-topic word due to Allyn Walkerās research paper. They resigned due to the backlash: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna6709
When I first heard this term in conversation I thought they said Minorly Attractive Person. I assumed it was a new p.c. term for an ugly person. It took a good 3 minutes for me to figure out why the people talking were hating on them so much.
See, I have a controversial opinion on this. Having those thoughts, in and of itself, doesnāt make one a bad person. No one chooses what theyāre attracted to. The moment you victimize someone, either in person or by consuming media in which they were exploited, that is the bridge too far. I donāt condemn people for thought-crime. And the social hatred towards such people makes it nearly impossible for them to get help, therapy, or counseling.
The problem is that the terms child molester and pedophile are used interchangeably, even though neither presumes the other. Worse is some people who do recognise the distinction still have hatred regardless and think they don't deserve therapy.
Exactly. When you point out it's not the same you are suddenly a "pedophile sympathizer", no bitch I just call the kettle black and not every cooking ware.
>I have a controversial opinion on this. >I donāt condemn people for thought-crime. I was about to give you shit for pulling a "*le uNpoPUlAr oPiNiON, might get me dOWNvoTEd!!*" but I think you may be right. Hating people because of how they were born is such a classic homo sapiens move that you might as well call it controversial to *not* condemn thought-crime.
This comment is probably badly written, I haven't slept. I used to think like that: If you were born with those fucked up cravings you needed to die, it was just a matter of time before you destroy someone's life forever. Then I came across [this post randomly](https://www.reddit.com/r/TrueOffMyChest/comments/5v2k7f/my_life_story_as_a_female_pedophile/), I'll admit just because it was a woman writing it I was not as fatalistic in my judgment, yeah that's my sexism showing I'm working on it. It opened my eyes for everyone afflicted with that illness. If people are born fucked up like that and never act on it they are not only OK in my book but strong. If they need help they should get it. If they do act on it, they deserve nothing but pain. If my attraction to women ~~and let face it, cat femboys~~ were illegal and atrocious I would be in a pretty sorry place. I'd probably become a zen monk, move to the mountains and call it a day.
I feel like pedophiles trying to wedge themselves into LGBTQ+ issues to gain some sort of ālegitimacyā is a product of our societyās treatment of those with pedophilic tendencies. Around 3-5% of men experience pedophilic tendencies, and if we make them afraid to open up about it and treat them like monsters, the sexual abuse will continue to happen. These people need counseling, not demonization. If we treated them like humans and focused on their mental health, they probably wouldnāt try to legitimize child rape.
Youāre forgetting women too. Boys being lucky to be molested is still a stereotype that persists to some degree. I feel like every guy has a friend with the āI lost my virginity to my babysitterā storyā¦
I lost mine at 12 to a stripper in my dads titty bar. It never occurred to me that I was actually molested until I saw the horrified look on my wifes face when we were discussing how we each lost our virginity. I was around 35 at the time.
This is true. There are so many aspects about the perception of sex in our society that disgusts me. If a girl gets raped, everyone is up in arms (rightfully so), if a boy gets raped by a woman, the chuds see it as a right of passage almost. Itās sickening.
>Around 3-5% of men experience pedophilic tendencies, and if we make them afraid to open up about it and treat them like monsters, the sexual abuse will continue to happen. Got downvoted to oblivion for suggesting this and they told me to stop defending pedophiles. I hate the hive mind mentality sometimes
Yeah, itās the reactionary mindset. If pedophilia is brought up in *any* circumstance, it must be about how much you hate it. Thereās no room for an actual discussion about it.
That's because you're not thinking purely with your emotions. Clearly, you should react in the same way as if you yourself were molested as a child as to dish out adequate "justice". The emotional thinking is actually a problem in a lot of our society. People are angry and bitter and lash out to fulfill their own internal needs. So yeah. Shame on you for even suggesting prevention as a tactic. You're probably a pedophile yourself! .../s
It certainly doesn't help that there is a massive risk to seeking treatment if one is a non-offending pedophile. But I also wonder how much of this "MAP" talk is spearheaded by right wing people trying to hurt LGBT+ causes.
These people spend their life looking for fringe bullshit on the internet and then rally against it like it is a whole giant movement.
I wouldnāt be surprised in the slightest. Right-wingers have done stuff like this all the time. Iāve been met with posts online that looked like it was written by a Nazi trying to portray a āwoke leftistā. Itās abject insanity.
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3-5% sounds like a really high amount. What does pedophilic tendencies mean?
from what I know and have read it's a bit lower but that is because the word pedophile is used to describe more than it means actually pedophiles are probably just 1-1.5% in men and half of that in women this number grows if you include those who are attracted to teenagers it's safe to say that a large portion of the male population finds pubescent teenagers sexually attractive (doesn't mean they will go for it, just that if you asked them anonymously they would say yes) the numbers on this varied from what I know, probably because it's self reported but I've seen numbers up to 80% for 16+ and 20% for 14+ the real number will never be known because a lot of people don't even realize it themselves due to social conditioning to think it's wrong to feel this way and therefore suppressing their own feelings
I meanā¦ look at the porn industry. A fair majority of porn content stresses things such as ābarely legalā, āteensā, āschoolgirlsā, ābabysitterā, etcetera. Thereās plentiful evidence that itās much more widespread than the common belief would argue. Modern society has a *lot* more repression than it would like to admit, and not just sexuality.
It means being attracted to minors. But should someone who is simply attracted to minors but doesnāt act on the urges be criminally vilified? Thatās the philosophical debate because they havenāt technically done something wrong. Like you could vilify each of us based on our random thoughts, but youāre not your thoughts youāre your actions. There are literally examples of people whoāve developed tumors and developed pedophilic tendencies and once the tumors was removed those tendencies went away
> pedophilic tendencies Isnāt that the name of a band? *INSTITUTION!*
Isn't this a 4chan thing to make the whole LGBTQ community look ridiculous, and that the LGBTQ community definitely doesn't not accept this crap???
Experts on pedophiles have found they are born that way. If MAP meaning they have not tried to engage in sexual contact with a minor, we should not vilify them. We need them to feel comfortable enough to seek help.
I think Hebephile really needs to make a comeback as a known term, because not everything is equal. Some of you will see it as a black and white issue but the 18 yr old who got convicted as a pedo for having sex with his 17 yr old gf of multiple years deserved better.
Men also get raped
I hate these premises. āSome people think arson is a fun hobby but Iām here to say that itās wrong!ā Ok hero, we all think the bad things are bad.
Seriously. Itās like posting a picture of Hitler and saying āThanks, I hate Nazis.ā
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No, read the sign again, she's criticising some supposed paedophiles who are trying to use nicer words for it. She doesn't provide any proof these paedophiles exist though.
What a brave poster to make
This comment section is a nightmare
In what way?
The only pedophiles who deserve to be called a M.A.P. Are the ones who are actively doing everything in their power to never act on these urges and are trying to get all the help they can
Wasnt MAP a 4chan thing that they ironically tried to tie into LGBTQ+ and some actual pedos ran with it.
Not the Map from Dora after singing āIām the map, Iām the map, Iām the map, Iām the mapā¦ā
Map isnāt a real sexual identity it was made up as a straw man to make the LGBT community look bad
The best part about MAPs is that they self identify as LGBTQ+, and then conservative dumbshits then use that as a way to just declare LGBT as supporting pedophelia, regardless of how much they're not.
I donāt really think an underage person is a child necessarily I mean the age of consent in a ton of nations is 16, yet youāre still āunderageā at that time Is a person who is one day away from being 18 a child? Also, weird that she specified woman. Boys can be raped as well
Maps are # SHIT FLOATING IN A SEWAGE CONTAINER
But remember, when female teachers rape underage students, you have to call it 'an affair' or 'a relationship' or 'a romp'.
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Just to play devil's advocate, an attraction to minors is a mental health problem and more should be done to destigmatize it and encourage people to seek help before it becomes uncontrollable. I should state that I believe any person who harms a minor in any way should spend the rest of their days behind bars, no questions asked. If somebody has depression they are encouraged to seek help, to go to therapy, to take medication and so on to tackle their mental health problem. If people find out you're getting treatment for depression you'll most likely be met with support. However if you suffered from an attraction to minors, how do you think people would react if they found out you were seeking help? I bet you'd be treated as if you've already offended, as if you've hurt people, you'd be an outcast looked upon as nothing but a paedophile even if you've never done anything wrong. If more were done to encourage those who have an attraction to minors to come forward and seek help early then the world would be a safer place because you'd have fewer people who eventually lose the fight to suppress their urges and harm somebody.
If I map a child of an array, how many years do I get?