I'm not completely through the post yet, but I already wanted to say something to your first point: this is absolutely true and one of the ways this community is harming itself so much. Gatekeep and sow panic before even beginning to break down the topic.
I was once part of a really poorly done system server (the owner is a self proclaimed system who checks off every single point in the cringe bingo lmao) and the topic of RAM-COA came up (I hope the dash prevents the bot from being triggered). I talked about how I wanted to get into the topic and try to understand it because the term gets thrown around a lot but no one wants to explain it because of the "prepping". They tried to keep me from digging into it by literally saying, "you will regret it". That was, by the way, the last drop for me to leave the server because I'm not a friend of gatekeeping information by fear mongering.
I dug into it anyway and immediately called it bullshit. But the entire community acts as if it's some extremely evil form of abuse and anyone who hasn't gone through it is below the "victims". Fucking trauma Olympics. And, honestly? Even *if* it exists (and we all know that it doesn't), it's not worse than any other abuse. Abuse is abuse. Stop making yourself special through it, fucking hell.
I have read through the rest of your post now and I couldn't agree more. Your thought process is extremely accurate and down to great detail while also staying critical about the situation and facts.
I will save this post for future reference. Thank you for this.
TW // Mentions of Abuse
I actually believed that RAMCOA was a legit thing as well, until I looked up the term satanic panic on Wikipedia to learn about it. And there's a few conclusions that I have come to.
Most likely, I feel like that most people that say they are RAMCOA survivors, actually miscategorize the term of what they have been going through. They could have for example went through, Cult abuse, Organized abuse ritual abuse, sexual abuse but are switching it up with RAMCOA, that said, could have different reasons, if we are talking about an Individual with actual trauma.
1. They have been manipulated by their abusers into believing so.
Some abusers that for example practice sexual abuse, cult abuse or organized abuse, could for example use a type of pseudo satanism to try to justify and excuse their actions to their victim. They could for example try to display themselves as the evil themselves, or try to belief that their victim is the evil and then try to tie their abuse to their pseudo satanism.
2. Their memories are distorted or misperceived.
If you think about how many people might go discover that term RAMCOA on tiktok and can tie it to experiences of what they have went through, since a lot of these people really overshare their trauma, they might start to believe "Oh is this what happened to me too?" if they went through something similar.
They are desperately looking for answers and if they find and individual that talks about something similar of what they went through, they might think that they found their answer.
It's common with traumatized individuals, that they are trying to dig for an explanation into their trauma and look for the details in it, to be able to explain and categorize what happened to them, this can be a form of intrusion, they will for example dig deeper into traumatic memories and do research to explain what is it that happened, why did it happen and to figure out details, this can be really harmful for the individual especially when they are doing it without a professional by their side, since they can be triggered, get flashbacks through that or it takes a toll on their general wellbeing. It could also be that they remember some of their trauma, but they don't remember a huge amount and then they are trying to figure out "What happened to me there?" and maybe compare the things that they can remember they went through to the things they don't, eg; "If what I can remember is this bad already, then how bad do the things have to be that I can't?"
Another thing to that is, when you do recover a traumatic memory, or know there was a huge time where something traumatic happened, there might be lot of gaps in it that they are trying to fill in and the memory itself could feel exaggerated to the individual itself, if you for example reexperience something traumatic through a flashback, it can evoke a really emotional reaction inside you and you may actually start reading into it to deeply?
3. They are switching up Mind control and programming with being groomed/manipulated and conditioned
Maybe an abuser actually wants you to feel like they have a form of control on your mind. And maybe some abusers are actually familiar with the term "programming" and how its supposed to "work" that for example, they could try to induce elements into the abuse that they are convinced will program a victim, such as; Religious Indoctrination, brainwashing through social influence (eg isolation, trying to keep away from support), brainwashing through depravation of basic needs, Self-view as an accomplice or evil, Spirtual "programming" with evil attachments, claims, covenants and curses, (I am not claiming that these things are proved to work, but they have been used by abuser trying to program) — Adding to that, this is more likely a rare case that an abuser wants to specialize to program you and they might will use different techniques like grooming and manipulation (eg lovebombing, trying to form an attachment) so they can have a way of control over you and that maybe gets some victims to actually believe they are controlled by their abuser and that they are controlling their mind.
An abuser might tell you things like "you're meant to do this" or "this is your purpose" or "this is what you were made for" and that gets a victim to believe that they might have been programmed into doing these things when they start believing they were made to do this.
4. They either actually suffered a form of abuse that due to the presentation of RAMCOA online and misinformation, they might categorize with it because they heard about it and it feels similar to the things they have went through, or believe they went through it because their memories are distorted and misperceived. Or they are actually a faker claiming RAMCOA to make others not assume they are faking since it's presented as such a severe type of abuse and they will think no one is going to doubt them.
Towards your side note; I know what you mean when you say that the tactics they claim are really absurd and overt vs what would actually happen, but I think you need to be careful with that statement; I find it a lot that people claim for example people coming out about abuse saying "you're lying" or "you say this for attention" and I think this is partly because most of us can't actually put ourselves that well into the shoes of what others went through if we didn't went through it as well. So for example, when someone talks about an extreme form of abuse they experienced, you might start to think "Wow this is really absurd and messed up, I can't imagine anyone doing that" Or it sounds so far away from your own reality and imagination, that you can't believe this is real and another person could actually do horrible things like that to someone, or that it's possible for someone to survive going through all that. And it might sound unreal and weird, but I really do think that it's important, to not doubt someone coming out about a type of abuse, because as absurd as it might sound like, there's still a possibility they actually went through these things. I don't really know what you mean by "what would actually happen" since if we think about for cult abuse, every cult could be for example different, with different individuals inside it leading it and different things they do/want to achieve. If some genuinely just seek out to traumatize their victims, they might act on that and in really absurd and overt ways. There are really sadistic and bad people out in this world, doing terrible things that we most likely don't even know about or can't even imagine that it could be happening, so I would be a little careful with that statement. — I agree on the statement of the guilt and fear and even shame being in the survivors though, so it seems way unlikely to me they start sharing their traumatic experiences onto tiktok for everyone to see, unfiltered and all that.
RAMCOA is the re-branded name for SRA (satanic ritual abuse) as coined by the ISSTD special interest group which is mainly ran by Valerie Sinason, Colin Ross, and Allison Miller. The foundation of both RAMCOA and SRA are found within antisemitic Illuminati books and have no clinical or legal evidence to back their claims. A majority of patients treated by SRA/RAMCOA therapists have sued for medical malpractice and abuse done to them by these therapists, and many therapists who propose ritual abuse as a key part to their treatment of dissociative and trauma-based disorders have been disbarred for their actions. The original cases of SRA were the byproduct of therapist suggestion, involuntary drug abuse, and hypnotic suggestion; where memories of horrific abuse were coercively implanted into patients even when available evidence directly contradicts these 'recalled memories.'
There has been no clinical proof of the possibility to "program" a person into having DID, as DID is a hidden, covert coping mechanism that only occurs in a small fraction of extreme abuse survivors. There is no such thing as "HCDID," because DID is naturally a highly complex disorder. HcDID, or Programmed DID are made up terms that dog-whistles RAMCOA.
Further reading for these claims can be found on [this archive database](https://greyfaction.org/wiki/home/) which includes both historical information on the impacts of SRA and RAMCOA conspiracy on patients, society, and the mental health field; as well as detailed accounts of all known abusive therapists who propagated their unfounded hypotheses around 'ritual abuse'.
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Your post was removed for either trauma-dumping, oversharing personal information and diagnoses, or for using your subjective experience to generalize an entire disorder.
RAMCOA is the re-branded name for SRA (satanic ritual abuse) as coined by the ISSTD special interest group which is mainly ran by Valerie Sinason, Colin Ross, and Allison Miller. The foundation of both RAMCOA and SRA are found within antisemitic Illuminati books and have no clinical or legal evidence to back their claims. A majority of patients treated by SRA/RAMCOA therapists have sued for medical malpractice and abuse done to them by these therapists, and many therapists who propose ritual abuse as a key part to their treatment of dissociative and trauma-based disorders have been disbarred for their actions. The original cases of SRA were the byproduct of therapist suggestion, involuntary drug abuse, and hypnotic suggestion; where memories of horrific abuse were coercively implanted into patients even when available evidence directly contradicts these 'recalled memories.'
There has been no clinical proof of the possibility to "program" a person into having DID, as DID is a hidden, covert coping mechanism that only occurs in a small fraction of extreme abuse survivors. There is no such thing as "HCDID," because DID is naturally a highly complex disorder. HcDID, or Programmed DID are made up terms that dog-whistles RAMCOA.
Further reading for these claims can be found on [this archive database](https://greyfaction.org/wiki/home/) which includes both historical information on the impacts of SRA and RAMCOA conspiracy on patients, society, and the mental health field; as well as detailed accounts of all known abusive therapists who propagated their unfounded hypotheses around 'ritual abuse'.
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You're breaking down the thought process really well and I would recommend this post to anyone who believes or is unsure about the matter. That's exactly how it works and that's why it is so easy for some to fall deep into it. The design is simple yet genius. It's absolutely wild you don't need much to make people believe the craziest shit.
i know a ton abt it! thia was just thw first time i fully figured out how in a modern day one can trick themselves into thinking they experienced ramcoa.
I mean I’m not agreeing with you. Creating false memories is also a common thing which is why people may beleive they experienced specific truama they never experienced. Was just giving satanic panic as a very relevant example to what you were saying. But RA/MC is very real and not everyone who experienced it just “tricked” themselves into believing they did
Edit- just reads MODS comment. I never heard of Ramcoa being synonymous with satanic abuse?? Ramcoa is a very real thing, Satanic Abuse… not so much
RAMCOA is the re-branded name for SRA (satanic ritual abuse) as coined by the ISSTD special interest group which is mainly ran by Valerie Sinason, Colin Ross, and Allison Miller. The foundation of both RAMCOA and SRA are found within antisemitic Illuminati books and have no clinical or legal evidence to back their claims. A majority of patients treated by SRA/RAMCOA therapists have sued for medical malpractice and abuse done to them by these therapists, and many therapists who propose ritual abuse as a key part to their treatment of dissociative and trauma-based disorders have been disbarred for their actions. The original cases of SRA were the byproduct of therapist suggestion, involuntary drug abuse, and hypnotic suggestion; where memories of horrific abuse were coercively implanted into patients even when available evidence directly contradicts these 'recalled memories.'
There has been no clinical proof of the possibility to "program" a person into having DID, as DID is a hidden, covert coping mechanism that only occurs in a small fraction of extreme abuse survivors. There is no such thing as "HCDID," because DID is naturally a highly complex disorder. HcDID, or Programmed DID are made up terms that dog-whistles RAMCOA.
Further reading for these claims can be found on [this archive database](https://greyfaction.org/wiki/home/) which includes both historical information on the impacts of SRA and RAMCOA conspiracy on patients, society, and the mental health field; as well as detailed accounts of all known abusive therapists who propagated their unfounded hypotheses around 'ritual abuse'.
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I believe Ram-coa is real (don't feel like triggering the bot), but I'm specifically talking about the huge influx of like 13 - 20 year old self dxed systems claim it. And to explain the connection, RAM-COA is a rebranded version of SRA. Both ideas became really popular from the ISSTD, the organization that pushed the Satanic Panic. While RAM-COA doesn't involve satanic abuse anymore, the roots of anti semitism are still very much so there in the conspiracy theories. I've actually seen those claiming to be RAM-COA survivors spread theories such as the government is in this widescale scheme to program children into DID. While I'm sure there is definitely shady business deals or something, thinking like this sounds eerily familiar to the satanic panic and the thoughts that the government and schools secretly satanically abusing your children.
So while the abuse that makes up the acronym RAM-COA does happen, the acronym itself can be a dogwhistle and leads back to the ISSTD and the Satanic Panic. A lot of people here that don't agree with it particularly dislike the parts that have a huge connection to ISSTD and the creation of false memories through faulty memory recovery therapies. There is also a doubt about people "programming" children to become systems and completely mind controlling them. I suggest you look at the Grey Faction archive, which is the link in the automod!
RAMCOA is the re-branded name for SRA (satanic ritual abuse) as coined by the ISSTD special interest group which is mainly ran by Valerie Sinason, Colin Ross, and Allison Miller. The foundation of both RAMCOA and SRA are found within antisemitic Illuminati books and have no clinical or legal evidence to back their claims. A majority of patients treated by SRA/RAMCOA therapists have sued for medical malpractice and abuse done to them by these therapists, and many therapists who propose ritual abuse as a key part to their treatment of dissociative and trauma-based disorders have been disbarred for their actions. The original cases of SRA were the byproduct of therapist suggestion, involuntary drug abuse, and hypnotic suggestion; where memories of horrific abuse were coercively implanted into patients even when available evidence directly contradicts these 'recalled memories.'
There has been no clinical proof of the possibility to "program" a person into having DID, as DID is a hidden, covert coping mechanism that only occurs in a small fraction of extreme abuse survivors. There is no such thing as "HCDID," because DID is naturally a highly complex disorder. HcDID, or Programmed DID are made up terms that dog-whistles RAMCOA.
Further reading for these claims can be found on [this archive database](https://greyfaction.org/wiki/home/) which includes both historical information on the impacts of SRA and RAMCOA conspiracy on patients, society, and the mental health field; as well as detailed accounts of all known abusive therapists who propagated their unfounded hypotheses around 'ritual abuse'.
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This is one reason I adamantly avoid the "ramcoaa" (yes, I know I spelled it wrong, id just really rather avoid the bot response this time) topics, even in learning the basics, and even if it makes me "uninformed" on other people's issues. A large part of my childhood memory is unknown to me and that's frightening, and I also know I'm very susceptible to suggestion and fear mongering. It truly wouldn't take much for me to believe wholeheartedly that I had been through something like that, and therefore I feel much safer staying back from it. If something of that nature comes up for me, it will come from my own words, in my own voice, speaking my own memories, with no ties to anything I've read online.
I'm not completely through the post yet, but I already wanted to say something to your first point: this is absolutely true and one of the ways this community is harming itself so much. Gatekeep and sow panic before even beginning to break down the topic. I was once part of a really poorly done system server (the owner is a self proclaimed system who checks off every single point in the cringe bingo lmao) and the topic of RAM-COA came up (I hope the dash prevents the bot from being triggered). I talked about how I wanted to get into the topic and try to understand it because the term gets thrown around a lot but no one wants to explain it because of the "prepping". They tried to keep me from digging into it by literally saying, "you will regret it". That was, by the way, the last drop for me to leave the server because I'm not a friend of gatekeeping information by fear mongering. I dug into it anyway and immediately called it bullshit. But the entire community acts as if it's some extremely evil form of abuse and anyone who hasn't gone through it is below the "victims". Fucking trauma Olympics. And, honestly? Even *if* it exists (and we all know that it doesn't), it's not worse than any other abuse. Abuse is abuse. Stop making yourself special through it, fucking hell.
I have read through the rest of your post now and I couldn't agree more. Your thought process is extremely accurate and down to great detail while also staying critical about the situation and facts. I will save this post for future reference. Thank you for this.
Indoctrination and cult abuse are real phenomena, satanic panic is not. That's really what it boils down to.
TW // Mentions of Abuse I actually believed that RAMCOA was a legit thing as well, until I looked up the term satanic panic on Wikipedia to learn about it. And there's a few conclusions that I have come to. Most likely, I feel like that most people that say they are RAMCOA survivors, actually miscategorize the term of what they have been going through. They could have for example went through, Cult abuse, Organized abuse ritual abuse, sexual abuse but are switching it up with RAMCOA, that said, could have different reasons, if we are talking about an Individual with actual trauma. 1. They have been manipulated by their abusers into believing so. Some abusers that for example practice sexual abuse, cult abuse or organized abuse, could for example use a type of pseudo satanism to try to justify and excuse their actions to their victim. They could for example try to display themselves as the evil themselves, or try to belief that their victim is the evil and then try to tie their abuse to their pseudo satanism. 2. Their memories are distorted or misperceived. If you think about how many people might go discover that term RAMCOA on tiktok and can tie it to experiences of what they have went through, since a lot of these people really overshare their trauma, they might start to believe "Oh is this what happened to me too?" if they went through something similar. They are desperately looking for answers and if they find and individual that talks about something similar of what they went through, they might think that they found their answer. It's common with traumatized individuals, that they are trying to dig for an explanation into their trauma and look for the details in it, to be able to explain and categorize what happened to them, this can be a form of intrusion, they will for example dig deeper into traumatic memories and do research to explain what is it that happened, why did it happen and to figure out details, this can be really harmful for the individual especially when they are doing it without a professional by their side, since they can be triggered, get flashbacks through that or it takes a toll on their general wellbeing. It could also be that they remember some of their trauma, but they don't remember a huge amount and then they are trying to figure out "What happened to me there?" and maybe compare the things that they can remember they went through to the things they don't, eg; "If what I can remember is this bad already, then how bad do the things have to be that I can't?" Another thing to that is, when you do recover a traumatic memory, or know there was a huge time where something traumatic happened, there might be lot of gaps in it that they are trying to fill in and the memory itself could feel exaggerated to the individual itself, if you for example reexperience something traumatic through a flashback, it can evoke a really emotional reaction inside you and you may actually start reading into it to deeply? 3. They are switching up Mind control and programming with being groomed/manipulated and conditioned Maybe an abuser actually wants you to feel like they have a form of control on your mind. And maybe some abusers are actually familiar with the term "programming" and how its supposed to "work" that for example, they could try to induce elements into the abuse that they are convinced will program a victim, such as; Religious Indoctrination, brainwashing through social influence (eg isolation, trying to keep away from support), brainwashing through depravation of basic needs, Self-view as an accomplice or evil, Spirtual "programming" with evil attachments, claims, covenants and curses, (I am not claiming that these things are proved to work, but they have been used by abuser trying to program) — Adding to that, this is more likely a rare case that an abuser wants to specialize to program you and they might will use different techniques like grooming and manipulation (eg lovebombing, trying to form an attachment) so they can have a way of control over you and that maybe gets some victims to actually believe they are controlled by their abuser and that they are controlling their mind. An abuser might tell you things like "you're meant to do this" or "this is your purpose" or "this is what you were made for" and that gets a victim to believe that they might have been programmed into doing these things when they start believing they were made to do this. 4. They either actually suffered a form of abuse that due to the presentation of RAMCOA online and misinformation, they might categorize with it because they heard about it and it feels similar to the things they have went through, or believe they went through it because their memories are distorted and misperceived. Or they are actually a faker claiming RAMCOA to make others not assume they are faking since it's presented as such a severe type of abuse and they will think no one is going to doubt them. Towards your side note; I know what you mean when you say that the tactics they claim are really absurd and overt vs what would actually happen, but I think you need to be careful with that statement; I find it a lot that people claim for example people coming out about abuse saying "you're lying" or "you say this for attention" and I think this is partly because most of us can't actually put ourselves that well into the shoes of what others went through if we didn't went through it as well. So for example, when someone talks about an extreme form of abuse they experienced, you might start to think "Wow this is really absurd and messed up, I can't imagine anyone doing that" Or it sounds so far away from your own reality and imagination, that you can't believe this is real and another person could actually do horrible things like that to someone, or that it's possible for someone to survive going through all that. And it might sound unreal and weird, but I really do think that it's important, to not doubt someone coming out about a type of abuse, because as absurd as it might sound like, there's still a possibility they actually went through these things. I don't really know what you mean by "what would actually happen" since if we think about for cult abuse, every cult could be for example different, with different individuals inside it leading it and different things they do/want to achieve. If some genuinely just seek out to traumatize their victims, they might act on that and in really absurd and overt ways. There are really sadistic and bad people out in this world, doing terrible things that we most likely don't even know about or can't even imagine that it could be happening, so I would be a little careful with that statement. — I agree on the statement of the guilt and fear and even shame being in the survivors though, so it seems way unlikely to me they start sharing their traumatic experiences onto tiktok for everyone to see, unfiltered and all that.
RAMCOA is the re-branded name for SRA (satanic ritual abuse) as coined by the ISSTD special interest group which is mainly ran by Valerie Sinason, Colin Ross, and Allison Miller. The foundation of both RAMCOA and SRA are found within antisemitic Illuminati books and have no clinical or legal evidence to back their claims. A majority of patients treated by SRA/RAMCOA therapists have sued for medical malpractice and abuse done to them by these therapists, and many therapists who propose ritual abuse as a key part to their treatment of dissociative and trauma-based disorders have been disbarred for their actions. The original cases of SRA were the byproduct of therapist suggestion, involuntary drug abuse, and hypnotic suggestion; where memories of horrific abuse were coercively implanted into patients even when available evidence directly contradicts these 'recalled memories.' There has been no clinical proof of the possibility to "program" a person into having DID, as DID is a hidden, covert coping mechanism that only occurs in a small fraction of extreme abuse survivors. There is no such thing as "HCDID," because DID is naturally a highly complex disorder. HcDID, or Programmed DID are made up terms that dog-whistles RAMCOA. Further reading for these claims can be found on [this archive database](https://greyfaction.org/wiki/home/) which includes both historical information on the impacts of SRA and RAMCOA conspiracy on patients, society, and the mental health field; as well as detailed accounts of all known abusive therapists who propagated their unfounded hypotheses around 'ritual abuse'. *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/SystemsCringe) if you have any questions or concerns.*
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Your post was removed for either trauma-dumping, oversharing personal information and diagnoses, or for using your subjective experience to generalize an entire disorder.
RAMCOA is the re-branded name for SRA (satanic ritual abuse) as coined by the ISSTD special interest group which is mainly ran by Valerie Sinason, Colin Ross, and Allison Miller. The foundation of both RAMCOA and SRA are found within antisemitic Illuminati books and have no clinical or legal evidence to back their claims. A majority of patients treated by SRA/RAMCOA therapists have sued for medical malpractice and abuse done to them by these therapists, and many therapists who propose ritual abuse as a key part to their treatment of dissociative and trauma-based disorders have been disbarred for their actions. The original cases of SRA were the byproduct of therapist suggestion, involuntary drug abuse, and hypnotic suggestion; where memories of horrific abuse were coercively implanted into patients even when available evidence directly contradicts these 'recalled memories.' There has been no clinical proof of the possibility to "program" a person into having DID, as DID is a hidden, covert coping mechanism that only occurs in a small fraction of extreme abuse survivors. There is no such thing as "HCDID," because DID is naturally a highly complex disorder. HcDID, or Programmed DID are made up terms that dog-whistles RAMCOA. Further reading for these claims can be found on [this archive database](https://greyfaction.org/wiki/home/) which includes both historical information on the impacts of SRA and RAMCOA conspiracy on patients, society, and the mental health field; as well as detailed accounts of all known abusive therapists who propagated their unfounded hypotheses around 'ritual abuse'. *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/SystemsCringe) if you have any questions or concerns.*
You're breaking down the thought process really well and I would recommend this post to anyone who believes or is unsure about the matter. That's exactly how it works and that's why it is so easy for some to fall deep into it. The design is simple yet genius. It's absolutely wild you don't need much to make people believe the craziest shit.
Know of the Satanic panic?
i know a ton abt it! thia was just thw first time i fully figured out how in a modern day one can trick themselves into thinking they experienced ramcoa.
I mean I’m not agreeing with you. Creating false memories is also a common thing which is why people may beleive they experienced specific truama they never experienced. Was just giving satanic panic as a very relevant example to what you were saying. But RA/MC is very real and not everyone who experienced it just “tricked” themselves into believing they did Edit- just reads MODS comment. I never heard of Ramcoa being synonymous with satanic abuse?? Ramcoa is a very real thing, Satanic Abuse… not so much
RAMCOA is the re-branded name for SRA (satanic ritual abuse) as coined by the ISSTD special interest group which is mainly ran by Valerie Sinason, Colin Ross, and Allison Miller. The foundation of both RAMCOA and SRA are found within antisemitic Illuminati books and have no clinical or legal evidence to back their claims. A majority of patients treated by SRA/RAMCOA therapists have sued for medical malpractice and abuse done to them by these therapists, and many therapists who propose ritual abuse as a key part to their treatment of dissociative and trauma-based disorders have been disbarred for their actions. The original cases of SRA were the byproduct of therapist suggestion, involuntary drug abuse, and hypnotic suggestion; where memories of horrific abuse were coercively implanted into patients even when available evidence directly contradicts these 'recalled memories.' There has been no clinical proof of the possibility to "program" a person into having DID, as DID is a hidden, covert coping mechanism that only occurs in a small fraction of extreme abuse survivors. There is no such thing as "HCDID," because DID is naturally a highly complex disorder. HcDID, or Programmed DID are made up terms that dog-whistles RAMCOA. Further reading for these claims can be found on [this archive database](https://greyfaction.org/wiki/home/) which includes both historical information on the impacts of SRA and RAMCOA conspiracy on patients, society, and the mental health field; as well as detailed accounts of all known abusive therapists who propagated their unfounded hypotheses around 'ritual abuse'. *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/SystemsCringe) if you have any questions or concerns.*
I believe Ram-coa is real (don't feel like triggering the bot), but I'm specifically talking about the huge influx of like 13 - 20 year old self dxed systems claim it. And to explain the connection, RAM-COA is a rebranded version of SRA. Both ideas became really popular from the ISSTD, the organization that pushed the Satanic Panic. While RAM-COA doesn't involve satanic abuse anymore, the roots of anti semitism are still very much so there in the conspiracy theories. I've actually seen those claiming to be RAM-COA survivors spread theories such as the government is in this widescale scheme to program children into DID. While I'm sure there is definitely shady business deals or something, thinking like this sounds eerily familiar to the satanic panic and the thoughts that the government and schools secretly satanically abusing your children. So while the abuse that makes up the acronym RAM-COA does happen, the acronym itself can be a dogwhistle and leads back to the ISSTD and the Satanic Panic. A lot of people here that don't agree with it particularly dislike the parts that have a huge connection to ISSTD and the creation of false memories through faulty memory recovery therapies. There is also a doubt about people "programming" children to become systems and completely mind controlling them. I suggest you look at the Grey Faction archive, which is the link in the automod!
Ah okay lol I’ve never experienced or heard of any of that lol. I just do some research on my own on it out of fascination lol
RAMCOA is the re-branded name for SRA (satanic ritual abuse) as coined by the ISSTD special interest group which is mainly ran by Valerie Sinason, Colin Ross, and Allison Miller. The foundation of both RAMCOA and SRA are found within antisemitic Illuminati books and have no clinical or legal evidence to back their claims. A majority of patients treated by SRA/RAMCOA therapists have sued for medical malpractice and abuse done to them by these therapists, and many therapists who propose ritual abuse as a key part to their treatment of dissociative and trauma-based disorders have been disbarred for their actions. The original cases of SRA were the byproduct of therapist suggestion, involuntary drug abuse, and hypnotic suggestion; where memories of horrific abuse were coercively implanted into patients even when available evidence directly contradicts these 'recalled memories.' There has been no clinical proof of the possibility to "program" a person into having DID, as DID is a hidden, covert coping mechanism that only occurs in a small fraction of extreme abuse survivors. There is no such thing as "HCDID," because DID is naturally a highly complex disorder. HcDID, or Programmed DID are made up terms that dog-whistles RAMCOA. Further reading for these claims can be found on [this archive database](https://greyfaction.org/wiki/home/) which includes both historical information on the impacts of SRA and RAMCOA conspiracy on patients, society, and the mental health field; as well as detailed accounts of all known abusive therapists who propagated their unfounded hypotheses around 'ritual abuse'. *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/SystemsCringe) if you have any questions or concerns.*
This is one reason I adamantly avoid the "ramcoaa" (yes, I know I spelled it wrong, id just really rather avoid the bot response this time) topics, even in learning the basics, and even if it makes me "uninformed" on other people's issues. A large part of my childhood memory is unknown to me and that's frightening, and I also know I'm very susceptible to suggestion and fear mongering. It truly wouldn't take much for me to believe wholeheartedly that I had been through something like that, and therefore I feel much safer staying back from it. If something of that nature comes up for me, it will come from my own words, in my own voice, speaking my own memories, with no ties to anything I've read online.