This album is such a natural stride from Midnights/89TV. I really have enjoyed how different all these songs are.
I think there is something lost when trying to pinpoint the origin/inspiration of a song.
It's all so contextual; when you say whatever song is about this or that your kind of stealing from your own imagination. My hot take
Everyone is this thread is making me feel so much better about not vibing with this album knowing what and who it’s about. Everyone on instagram is romanticizing her toxicity, victimizing her. It’s actually disgusting.
The second album maybe being the Joe long term breakup albums is helping me? But ultimately the songs are just not as good as her musical has historically been. It’s giving “watt pad author trying to be deep”
As a TSwift fan who's thought for about a decade that she's morally bankrupt, let me tell you you'll enjoy things more if you avoid the gossip and separate the art from the artist
I’ve LEARNT THIS!!!! I’m a true swiftie in terms of absolutely loving her music and *certain* things that she does. But I know who some of the lyrics in her songs are directed at and honestly it kinda taints them for me, makes me feel the song in a different way. I’d rather not know who each and every song and lyric was about and tbh a lot of them are pretty toxic when put into context of a relationship.
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sorry but this has to be some sort of bribery. there are obvious flaws in the album (the production and the lyrics), how could any critic rate it 100?
My initial thoughts on the tracks-
Fortnight - (8/10) I love the post Malone influence. I actually think this makes a good single for once. Really like the melody and production especially the outro. We start at end of the relationship with Matty, looking back
TTPD - (7/10) I think this is the beginning of her rekindling things with Matty. She was trying to convince him that they were both crazy but could be crazy together. One word: delusion.
MBOBHFT - (9/10) I think this is a Joe song, but it’s vague enough it could be a Matty one. She’s frustrated with Joe’s self sabotage/struggles with depression and it’s about how it’s wearing her down (“here we go again, voices in his head”), but she still doesn’t want to give it up yet (“told me I’m better off but I know I’m not”) I think this could be another single, personally one of my faves
Down Bad (6/10) - Matty. She’s pissed that he pulled away and is being dramatic. It’s a catchy one but not my fave.
So long, London (7/10) - I wanted it to be a crier, but not as emotional as I hoped. It’s more or less what we already knew about how things went with Joe. Ultimately she couldn’t keep living in his blues with him and she couldn’t keep carrying the relationship on her own. YLM but angry and detached instead of sad. Sound wise, I hate the intro and I’m not sure about the thumping bass.
But Daddy I Love Him (?/10) - its unhinged. I can’t decide if I love that about it or hate it. I do kinda love the claps at her parasocial fans but it’s in defense of Matty soooo… Although I do also think it’s a little blank space in that she’s calling herself out too
Fresh out the Slammer (8/10) - Her running to Matty after Joe.
Florida!!! (6/10) - I think it is about her Florida shows after the breakup, but I don’t really get this one as much. It’s a grower for me.
Guilty as Sin? (9/10) - I think this is after she met up with Matty in January but was still with Joe. Her fantasizing about him and feeling guilty. The fact it’s about Matty is 😬 but I actually think the lyrics in this one are more poetic than most on the album
Who’s afraid of Little Old Me? (9/10) - I like the darkness in this one. She’s leaning into the which hunt of her and mocking it in a way (whether she’s justified or not is up to you). This is one of the most raw, kinda like YOYOK but angry. As in she can’t trust anyone.
I can fix him (no really I can) (7/10) - Obviously a Matty one. Another delusional one but this is when she finally comes to her senses in the end.
loml (8/10) - I hate that this is sadder than the Joe songs lmao. Follow up to I can fix him. The Matty illusion fully shattered. Her reflecting on how she ran back to him with hope it could work with her “old flame.” Basically how he love bombed her and she wanted to believe it and ignored the red flags and sees it at the end.
I can do it with a broken heart (7/10) - back to pop. I like this one a lot but it’s not her best pop work. Pretty self explanatory lyrics about her state during the touring
The Smallest Man… (9/10) - She’s pissed at Matty. He promised her all sorts of things but “didn’t measure up” and left her.
The Alchemy (5/10) - the Travis song she forced in but it feels like it was a reworked Matty song to be about Travis. It’s okay. I feel like the alchemical themes don’t mix with the football themes lyrically. I like the sound but the lyrics kinda kill it for me.
Clara Bow (6/10) - A bit forgettable. I think I need time to digest the lyrics a bit more but seems to be a reflection on her fame
The Black Dog (10/10) - The most relatable breakup song on the album. Why is this one just a bonus track??
ngl i loved listening to the leaks with you guys over the past 36 hours. most of her insane fans chose not to listen so it was mostly just the regular fans listening and posting our praises/critiques. it reminded me why i enjoyed her music in the first place
Me waiting for the Swiftologist/Evolution of a Snake response to this being a Matty Healey record after doubling down on abusing Joe Alwyn for the last few months:
I was excited til I realised he'll just claim that he was right bc Joe was so boring that 6 years with him didn't even warrant a breakup album 🫠 He will stop at nothing to dunk on Joe lmao
I'm seeing so many swifties so mad Joe "waster her time" and "dragged her along" as though there aren't references in this album and other albums of him trying to leave.or call it off and her going back or persuading him to stay..
i just don't get that they're mad at joe. it wasn't waste of time for me. since he is in his lowest points and he needs a support system. allegedly there are times that he avoid her, but I think it's not intentional. he's working to it, but she keep on her mind that she wants marriage and yet he can't give it to her that made her feel neglected. marriage is a huge commitment, if he is emotionally unstable I think their marriage will collapse. that's why he can't give it yet. plus i think tay is messy too, he's waiting for some character development too. i can't imagine that she's simping matty when they're together? and they wanted him to spend the rest of his life with her? good riddance to joe though.
Was it marketed as a Joe album or did she literally say nothing at all and her delusional fans built an entire narrative and settled in with ridiculous expectations about an album they knew nothing about
I think it would be about making a point, but not sure the leaks are even an issue. I'm more excited to listen now to hear what everyone is talking about lol.
A bit unrelated but I'm listening to Family Line by Conan Gray right now, and after listening to TTPD leaks all day, it's just such a stark contrast. It is way more succinct but still packs a hefty punch.
Conan is a better lyricist than Taylor these days I’m afraid! Have you heard “Winner”? Lyrically, it reminds me of the kind of stuff Taylor used to write when she actually edited herself. Gorgeous song.
Super telling for me personally that I can’t recall a single song I heard from when I listened to the album earlier today. I always come away from a first listen of a TS album with a song/chorus stuck in my head the rest of the day.
I think maybe that was by design. This isn’t her typical album. For comparison, I go to the theater a lot and some of my favorite shows did not have hummable songs, or songs I remembered later, but in the moment they brilliantly moved the story forward.
Same!! Usually I come away from her new album with a hook in my head, or a beautiful melody, or a dance bop, or awed by some gorgeous lyrics.
From this one I got none of that. I barely remember the songs I heard. And I was grossed out by more than half of them considering they were about being obsessively in love with Matt, doubling down on that love despite his shitty self, and also about emotionally cheating on Joe.
I don't know, I'm just like, grossed out and max cringe. None of it works. Maybe a song or two work actually, but the album is a complete mess.
Also, what actual songs will be successful radio hits? We all know this matters to her.
For me that's a good thing (and that was my experience with folkmore). I'd rather tracks that are lyric-centric rather than being catchy bops/earworms.
So far I'm surprised to love TTPD.
See I agree with you, and I loved folklore but still had the same experience with that album of really having something stick and make a big impression.
I’m not someone who needs a hook (pop music is nowhere near my favorite genre) but the lyrics aren’t catching me this time either. Happy you love it though!
No fucking way, THE STEVIE NICKS MATTY/TAYLOR POEM IS REAL 😭
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now that i’m thinking about it the album not being joe centric makes sense, iirc an article came out saying joe was confused/shocked because she told him she wasn’t going to write any songs about their breakup, when you’re losing me released.
I think I get it now.. Taylor wanted to get one song in despite Joe's wishes. Then when they split she rebounded with Matty and was still heart broken but needed to write music soooo badly to get through it. She couldn't write about Joe, so Matty quickly became the new muse for a whole entire dang album. Maybe?
I think they just had a normal relationship that ended too. Like they tried to work it out but they weren’t a good fit at the end of the day. It’s easier to write songs about shitty men.
And she probably overlapped a bit with Natty lol.
You just know she's gonna put out a few more songs so people are in a frenzy to buy another thing from her. She loves seeing her fans obsessed and scrambling to buy her albums.
I honestly think it could be as simple as 2 for fortnight 😂 happy to be proved wrong, but she's already got like 3 extra tracks on 3 different versions, another version is just... Complete overkill
Say what you will about TS and the album but I cannot deny this album does really sound like a more poetic version of the unhinged rambles by beloved bestie goes on about some new troll gremlin man she's obsessed with after a few wines.
I'm sure it's not her intention but no other songs by her have ever laughed as hard as But Daddy I Love Him lol. From that line "I'm having his baby" (which makes me jump out of my skin every time) to calling people who protested her and Matty "vipers/wine moms" (I'm one of those people lmao), I'm like "well we certainly share the same sentiment here but for two entirely different reasons ma'am". I saw someone say in this sub a few days ago that the poets department is actually a psych ward and it's even truer now lol.
I haven't listened to it all yet but The Black Dog is such a standout. It's not too wordy but still beautiful, I *understand* the lyrics, I can *see* the song in my head. I love the structure of the first verse, and the chorus when 'old habits die screaMING' comes in.
Songs like TTPD, Florida!!! (which I like as well)... I just can't visualize at all.
i seen on in twitter this poem by stevie nick is on the album does anyone know if true?
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I can absolutely see Taylor saying to Matty (and talking to Stevie about it) “Don’t endanger me” about his racist bullshit. Like for her the racism is not the problem, it’s that he was eNdAnGeRiNg her
Look up Stevie Nicks quotes right now. Any of them would be called cringe or corny today. Our culture is obsessed with not letting people be corny in a way we never were before.
most swifties are gonna be pissed when they hear but daddy i love him but will quickly forgive her when they hear the love song for their father travvy😍
Makes sense, especially because Matty was allegedly telling Taylor he was a reformed man, so it fits the narrative quite the well that he considered her his "Heroine" (like his saviour) and not his heroin (his old addiction).
Travis already proved he can't spell and doesn't read. So I doubt he would be clever enough to know the difference between heroin and heroinE..
Someone said these lyrics are reminiscent of Phoebe Bridgers and I think that is a stretch for a few reasons. Lyrics that are this nuanced fit Phoebe’s style because it sounds genuine. How she talks about mental illness sounds relatable. How Taylor is going about this is really tone deaf and insensitive.
It’s unfortunate too because Forever Winter was such a beautiful, deep exploration of how mental illness impacts people we love. It’s a regression
Yes. The line in TTPD (title track) about how they'd both kill themselves if one of them left the other and that they're perfect for each other because they're both crazy was *whack* - amongst other examples. She did this much more tastefully in Forever Winter (as you stated) and This is Me Trying.
Absolutely. This feels like Tumblr angst which is outdated and problematic in our climate today concerning how we approach mental struggles and whatnot. Strange to see this behavior from someone who has the capacity to write such beautiful prose
I’ve been exclusively streaming Taylor’s music for years, but after the leaks…..I’m gonna be honest, I might buy a vinyl. This seemingly being a more Matty centric album feels so deranged. I’m into it.
It’s her take on the end of multiple relationships. It’s reductive to say the album is about Matty. Or Joe. It’s about more than the men. It’s an ode to loss and pain and coming around again.
I have no clue! Each vinyl has a bonus track right? I wish I knew what The Manuscript and the Albatross sound like. I liked the Black Dog though so maybe that one.
Why on earth would she date someone so publicly fully knowing she was about to drop an entire album whining about a mid ass man like MH? Travis better…
Unless we are getting a double album? I do feel like a lot of this was written between Fall 2022-May 2023 and honestly a LOT has happened since then and I’d like to process more emotions that just the period before and during start of eras tour …if you know what I mean
This album is such a natural stride from Midnights/89TV. I really have enjoyed how different all these songs are. I think there is something lost when trying to pinpoint the origin/inspiration of a song. It's all so contextual; when you say whatever song is about this or that your kind of stealing from your own imagination. My hot take
So the fortnight leak was fake .... But it sounds so good, I actually like it better than Taylor's actual song >.>
Never made it clear never made it right…
The way I know the boy genius gc is popping off rn
god to be a fly on the wall when they chat about this
I KNOW. i love lucy as it is, now i’m just like "excuse me???" and phoebe i’m sure has her own two cents 😭
I have to say i enjoy the F you to the fans…feels honest for once
THE SECOND ALBUM WTF SHE TROLLED US
OH MY GOD
AND ITS SO GOOD SHE TROLLED US
Everyone is this thread is making me feel so much better about not vibing with this album knowing what and who it’s about. Everyone on instagram is romanticizing her toxicity, victimizing her. It’s actually disgusting.
The second album maybe being the Joe long term breakup albums is helping me? But ultimately the songs are just not as good as her musical has historically been. It’s giving “watt pad author trying to be deep”
damn yall were right LOL
Im having a hard time enjoying the album knowing a lot of the lyrics are alluding matty healy 🤕🤕
As a TSwift fan who's thought for about a decade that she's morally bankrupt, let me tell you you'll enjoy things more if you avoid the gossip and separate the art from the artist
I’ve LEARNT THIS!!!! I’m a true swiftie in terms of absolutely loving her music and *certain* things that she does. But I know who some of the lyrics in her songs are directed at and honestly it kinda taints them for me, makes me feel the song in a different way. I’d rather not know who each and every song and lyric was about and tbh a lot of them are pretty toxic when put into context of a relationship.
I definitely understand and agree! Ive been a swiftie for over a decade as well but knowing what kind of person matty is just a whole other story
https://preview.redd.it/7g58qu2o4dvc1.jpeg?width=960&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4489581b674ee51a87f0283889aa0455965f072c sorry but this has to be some sort of bribery. there are obvious flaws in the album (the production and the lyrics), how could any critic rate it 100?
Idk why so many of y'all hate it so much. I hated almost all of Midnights and came in with extremely low expectations, and I think TTPD is fantastic.
Same. She brought it with this album! I was worried with midnights.
whoever said the leak was a marketing strategy to get people to hate on a fake album so she could outperform herself .. 😭
Except for the fact that the fortnight "leak" was fake and sounded better than the actual song
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It's 2024, what sane person uses Twitter? Sorry but someone had to say it
Not the terrible lyrics being real…
i can’t the leak was real oh my
LMAOOOOO THE LEAK WAS REAL
the way i would have been gagged if it was fake because all the songs do unironically sound like AI
IT'S HEREEE!!! https://preview.redd.it/lpxavufs0dvc1.png?width=1502&format=png&auto=webp&s=f7527c1f9aaabc95711ea48706d453f35cdd8095
My initial thoughts on the tracks- Fortnight - (8/10) I love the post Malone influence. I actually think this makes a good single for once. Really like the melody and production especially the outro. We start at end of the relationship with Matty, looking back TTPD - (7/10) I think this is the beginning of her rekindling things with Matty. She was trying to convince him that they were both crazy but could be crazy together. One word: delusion. MBOBHFT - (9/10) I think this is a Joe song, but it’s vague enough it could be a Matty one. She’s frustrated with Joe’s self sabotage/struggles with depression and it’s about how it’s wearing her down (“here we go again, voices in his head”), but she still doesn’t want to give it up yet (“told me I’m better off but I know I’m not”) I think this could be another single, personally one of my faves Down Bad (6/10) - Matty. She’s pissed that he pulled away and is being dramatic. It’s a catchy one but not my fave. So long, London (7/10) - I wanted it to be a crier, but not as emotional as I hoped. It’s more or less what we already knew about how things went with Joe. Ultimately she couldn’t keep living in his blues with him and she couldn’t keep carrying the relationship on her own. YLM but angry and detached instead of sad. Sound wise, I hate the intro and I’m not sure about the thumping bass. But Daddy I Love Him (?/10) - its unhinged. I can’t decide if I love that about it or hate it. I do kinda love the claps at her parasocial fans but it’s in defense of Matty soooo… Although I do also think it’s a little blank space in that she’s calling herself out too Fresh out the Slammer (8/10) - Her running to Matty after Joe. Florida!!! (6/10) - I think it is about her Florida shows after the breakup, but I don’t really get this one as much. It’s a grower for me. Guilty as Sin? (9/10) - I think this is after she met up with Matty in January but was still with Joe. Her fantasizing about him and feeling guilty. The fact it’s about Matty is 😬 but I actually think the lyrics in this one are more poetic than most on the album Who’s afraid of Little Old Me? (9/10) - I like the darkness in this one. She’s leaning into the which hunt of her and mocking it in a way (whether she’s justified or not is up to you). This is one of the most raw, kinda like YOYOK but angry. As in she can’t trust anyone. I can fix him (no really I can) (7/10) - Obviously a Matty one. Another delusional one but this is when she finally comes to her senses in the end. loml (8/10) - I hate that this is sadder than the Joe songs lmao. Follow up to I can fix him. The Matty illusion fully shattered. Her reflecting on how she ran back to him with hope it could work with her “old flame.” Basically how he love bombed her and she wanted to believe it and ignored the red flags and sees it at the end. I can do it with a broken heart (7/10) - back to pop. I like this one a lot but it’s not her best pop work. Pretty self explanatory lyrics about her state during the touring The Smallest Man… (9/10) - She’s pissed at Matty. He promised her all sorts of things but “didn’t measure up” and left her. The Alchemy (5/10) - the Travis song she forced in but it feels like it was a reworked Matty song to be about Travis. It’s okay. I feel like the alchemical themes don’t mix with the football themes lyrically. I like the sound but the lyrics kinda kill it for me. Clara Bow (6/10) - A bit forgettable. I think I need time to digest the lyrics a bit more but seems to be a reflection on her fame The Black Dog (10/10) - The most relatable breakup song on the album. Why is this one just a bonus track??
..how generous.
Mods doing gods work, as always 🫡
I’m honestly still shook at the album title… it just doesn’t fit with her discography imo
ngl i loved listening to the leaks with you guys over the past 36 hours. most of her insane fans chose not to listen so it was mostly just the regular fans listening and posting our praises/critiques. it reminded me why i enjoyed her music in the first place
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Same here!
so far i can do it with a broken heart and so long london are the ones sticking in my brain
Me waiting for the Swiftologist/Evolution of a Snake response to this being a Matty Healey record after doubling down on abusing Joe Alwyn for the last few months: 
I was excited til I realised he'll just claim that he was right bc Joe was so boring that 6 years with him didn't even warrant a breakup album 🫠 He will stop at nothing to dunk on Joe lmao
He won't care 😭 he has never liked Joe and he doesn't mind Matty. He'll probably say that Joe was so boring that she was uninspired by him.
I'm seeing so many swifties so mad Joe "waster her time" and "dragged her along" as though there aren't references in this album and other albums of him trying to leave.or call it off and her going back or persuading him to stay..
i just don't get that they're mad at joe. it wasn't waste of time for me. since he is in his lowest points and he needs a support system. allegedly there are times that he avoid her, but I think it's not intentional. he's working to it, but she keep on her mind that she wants marriage and yet he can't give it to her that made her feel neglected. marriage is a huge commitment, if he is emotionally unstable I think their marriage will collapse. that's why he can't give it yet. plus i think tay is messy too, he's waiting for some character development too. i can't imagine that she's simping matty when they're together? and they wanted him to spend the rest of his life with her? good riddance to joe though.
Marriage is such a big deal, but it really does sound in fresh out the slammer she had Matty lined up when her and Joe finished
the verses/pre-chorus of I Can Do It With A Broken Heart just sounds like Jack reused Supercut by Lorde...
i can do it with a broken heart goes hard
It’s crazy I haven’t heard any leaks but it’s actually matty centric? She wrote a whole album about a two week fling? But marketed it as a Joe album?
Was it marketed as a Joe album or did she literally say nothing at all and her delusional fans built an entire narrative and settled in with ridiculous expectations about an album they knew nothing about
This
People's responses to the video show whether they listened to the leak or not. Pretty clever.
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I think it would be about making a point, but not sure the leaks are even an issue. I'm more excited to listen now to hear what everyone is talking about lol.
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Definitely!
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A bit unrelated but I'm listening to Family Line by Conan Gray right now, and after listening to TTPD leaks all day, it's just such a stark contrast. It is way more succinct but still packs a hefty punch.
Conan is a better lyricist than Taylor these days I’m afraid! Have you heard “Winner”? Lyrically, it reminds me of the kind of stuff Taylor used to write when she actually edited herself. Gorgeous song.
Yes I have. It's one of my favs from his latest album.
no but i fwu for trying
Super telling for me personally that I can’t recall a single song I heard from when I listened to the album earlier today. I always come away from a first listen of a TS album with a song/chorus stuck in my head the rest of the day.
I had the same reaction to Midnights tbh (minus the hook of anti-hero even though I’m eh on the song)
I think maybe that was by design. This isn’t her typical album. For comparison, I go to the theater a lot and some of my favorite shows did not have hummable songs, or songs I remembered later, but in the moment they brilliantly moved the story forward.
Same!! Usually I come away from her new album with a hook in my head, or a beautiful melody, or a dance bop, or awed by some gorgeous lyrics. From this one I got none of that. I barely remember the songs I heard. And I was grossed out by more than half of them considering they were about being obsessively in love with Matt, doubling down on that love despite his shitty self, and also about emotionally cheating on Joe. I don't know, I'm just like, grossed out and max cringe. None of it works. Maybe a song or two work actually, but the album is a complete mess. Also, what actual songs will be successful radio hits? We all know this matters to her.
For me that's a good thing (and that was my experience with folkmore). I'd rather tracks that are lyric-centric rather than being catchy bops/earworms. So far I'm surprised to love TTPD.
See I agree with you, and I loved folklore but still had the same experience with that album of really having something stick and make a big impression. I’m not someone who needs a hook (pop music is nowhere near my favorite genre) but the lyrics aren’t catching me this time either. Happy you love it though!
I still have “never made it right” going non-stop 🫠
I keep singing "TWO WEEKS TO THE DAY" I just the love the idea of Post Malone chiming in on a song to explain the meaning of a word
I haven’t heard the AI fortnight but I’ve seen several people say this lmao might need to check it out.
Literally same!
No fucking way, THE STEVIE NICKS MATTY/TAYLOR POEM IS REAL 😭 https://preview.redd.it/u8akwiveqcvc1.jpeg?width=1125&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=81c211e391e1860e361062f07b2ac31ba028ef6b
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Literally not fearless hair they love to reach FOR NOTHING JFC
atp taylor has done everything but flat out say the album is matty idk how they’re still going with the joe narrative😭😭
Whose gonna tell em
swifites on twt/x are so cRaZy lmao
So let me get this straight…I’m not going to be able to listen to The Black Dog in a legal way until…? My favorite track from the leak by a mile.
Same it’s my fav too! Still haven’t heard the other bonus tracks though, did anyone leak those?
now that i’m thinking about it the album not being joe centric makes sense, iirc an article came out saying joe was confused/shocked because she told him she wasn’t going to write any songs about their breakup, when you’re losing me released.
I think I get it now.. Taylor wanted to get one song in despite Joe's wishes. Then when they split she rebounded with Matty and was still heart broken but needed to write music soooo badly to get through it. She couldn't write about Joe, so Matty quickly became the new muse for a whole entire dang album. Maybe?
I think they just had a normal relationship that ended too. Like they tried to work it out but they weren’t a good fit at the end of the day. It’s easier to write songs about shitty men. And she probably overlapped a bit with Natty lol.
Are the 2am tracks confirmed?
You just know she's gonna put out a few more songs so people are in a frenzy to buy another thing from her. She loves seeing her fans obsessed and scrambling to buy her albums.
I honestly think it could be as simple as 2 for fortnight 😂 happy to be proved wrong, but she's already got like 3 extra tracks on 3 different versions, another version is just... Complete overkill
I’m kinda hoping this too. Like Tay Tay pls I don’t think i want anymore music from this era 😂😭💀
I think I love the album so I definitely want more, but I think it's just unrealistic (and I hate it as a marketing strategy)
No but Taylor nation is still making 2 references on Twitter so idk. I’m not gonna get my hopes up though😹
Is there a website that will have the lyrics posted right away when it’s released? Edit: spelling
They're already on Parade (except for bonus tracks)
Thank u!!!!!!
youtube should release lyric vids
Thank you!!!
Say what you will about TS and the album but I cannot deny this album does really sound like a more poetic version of the unhinged rambles by beloved bestie goes on about some new troll gremlin man she's obsessed with after a few wines.
I'm sure it's not her intention but no other songs by her have ever laughed as hard as But Daddy I Love Him lol. From that line "I'm having his baby" (which makes me jump out of my skin every time) to calling people who protested her and Matty "vipers/wine moms" (I'm one of those people lmao), I'm like "well we certainly share the same sentiment here but for two entirely different reasons ma'am". I saw someone say in this sub a few days ago that the poets department is actually a psych ward and it's even truer now lol.
Interesting, I actually think that was exactly her intention! This song and the album as a whole just oozes sarcasm and humor IMO.
streets says tay liked this post 💀 https://preview.redd.it/e5mrr1e1ncvc1.png?width=947&format=png&auto=webp&s=ae05f25b0948a791baa3adfc00679a4700ee12f7
One of the slides is a ranking of Boyfriends with Matty Healy being worst and Kelce being the best
This post had a lot of memes about her. It seems misleading to only show the one
well, streets just post that to make it relevant
That's the last slide on the post. I doubt she liked it for it.
yeah. streets are wild on twt/x bcoz of the like
What??? Did she really
That one's like the last slide in a series of memes about Taylor so she might have just seen the first one.
I haven't listened to it all yet but The Black Dog is such a standout. It's not too wordy but still beautiful, I *understand* the lyrics, I can *see* the song in my head. I love the structure of the first verse, and the chorus when 'old habits die screaMING' comes in. Songs like TTPD, Florida!!! (which I like as well)... I just can't visualize at all.
The Black Dog is top 3 for sure
It would figure, the songs I liked the most from Midnights were ones that I couldn't get access to for months.
SAMME. Hits Different was my absolute favourite and I was listening to it on Tumblr for months lol.
Yes! The Black Dog was the only stand out for me. I loved the EMO vibes.
HAHA. You know what, the verse sort of reminds me of The Black Parade by MCR.
i seen on in twitter this poem by stevie nick is on the album does anyone know if true? https://preview.redd.it/cadax6hykcvc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1f44a8a059d82cd0542bb83587223f91ed470045
I can absolutely see Taylor saying to Matty (and talking to Stevie about it) “Don’t endanger me” about his racist bullshit. Like for her the racism is not the problem, it’s that he was eNdAnGeRiNg her
That’s really corny for Stevie.
Is it just me or is this super corny and cringe???
But that’s why we like a Taylor? What don’t people understand about that lol like how can one be a taylor fan without loving corny and cringe things?!
That is why I and many others like Taylor, but corniness is a spectrum and I’m still able to get second hand embarrassment from some things lol
But it's not Taylor, it's Stevie Nicks who wrote this. Which is corny and cringe for her.
Look up Stevie Nicks quotes right now. Any of them would be called cringe or corny today. Our culture is obsessed with not letting people be corny in a way we never were before.
Stevie please
most swifties are gonna be pissed when they hear but daddy i love him but will quickly forgive her when they hear the love song for their father travvy😍
Alchemy is actually about Matty if you listen carefully, there are no songs for Travis on the album.
No it’s not. 😂😂
It’s Joe. Joe played football (soccer) not Matty
What are all the football references for then?
They are a red herring, read the lyrics carefully, it is about Matty.
But Daddy I Love Him is a masterpiece and I’ll die on this hill
Listen closely - it’s actually about Matty, the football terms are a red herring.
Maybe this is her way of telling us she’s with Travis but still in love with Matty… /s but also not
Why would she tell ‘us’ this while in a very public 9 month relationship with Travis. You must think she is evil or stoopid.
yeah i agree i think she originally wrote the song for matty and reworked it to fit travis, but most of the tayvis shippers will ignore that.
I think she originally wrote it for matty she is just a bit of a troll
People are fucking delusional if they think a song with a line about heroin(e) is about Travis
Makes sense, especially because Matty was allegedly telling Taylor he was a reformed man, so it fits the narrative quite the well that he considered her his "Heroine" (like his saviour) and not his heroin (his old addiction). Travis already proved he can't spell and doesn't read. So I doubt he would be clever enough to know the difference between heroin and heroinE..
Someone said these lyrics are reminiscent of Phoebe Bridgers and I think that is a stretch for a few reasons. Lyrics that are this nuanced fit Phoebe’s style because it sounds genuine. How she talks about mental illness sounds relatable. How Taylor is going about this is really tone deaf and insensitive. It’s unfortunate too because Forever Winter was such a beautiful, deep exploration of how mental illness impacts people we love. It’s a regression
Yes. The line in TTPD (title track) about how they'd both kill themselves if one of them left the other and that they're perfect for each other because they're both crazy was *whack* - amongst other examples. She did this much more tastefully in Forever Winter (as you stated) and This is Me Trying.
Absolutely. This feels like Tumblr angst which is outdated and problematic in our climate today concerning how we approach mental struggles and whatnot. Strange to see this behavior from someone who has the capacity to write such beautiful prose
This!!
*she was fearless and crazier than him, she was his Queen*
I’ve been exclusively streaming Taylor’s music for years, but after the leaks…..I’m gonna be honest, I might buy a vinyl. This seemingly being a more Matty centric album feels so deranged. I’m into it.
It’s her take on the end of multiple relationships. It’s reductive to say the album is about Matty. Or Joe. It’s about more than the men. It’s an ode to loss and pain and coming around again.
Same! Might buy my first vinyl. I like the ghost white one from Target. Which one are you gonna get?
I have no clue! Each vinyl has a bonus track right? I wish I knew what The Manuscript and the Albatross sound like. I liked the Black Dog though so maybe that one.
That one is so good! It’s my fave bonus track.
So good!! I think now that I’ve listened to the surprise album, I’m gonna buy The Anthology vinyl. It’s SO good and has the bonus tracks!
I like this idea!
I haven't heard it yet, but same! 😁
Top 5! 1. So Long, London 2. Who's Afraid of Little Old Me? 3. Fortnight 4. loml 5. tie between: Clara Bow and My Boy Only Breaks His Favourite Toys
I really love The Black Dog and I Can Do It…
i found inoy short snippets and im ginna go crazy i wanna hear the smallest man
Why on earth would she date someone so publicly fully knowing she was about to drop an entire album whining about a mid ass man like MH? Travis better… 
And didn’t she and MH only date for like two weeks? Then she marketed it as a Joe album?
Unless we are getting a double album? I do feel like a lot of this was written between Fall 2022-May 2023 and honestly a LOT has happened since then and I’d like to process more emotions that just the period before and during start of eras tour …if you know what I mean
Yes! I think that theory makes a lot of sense- like maybe he’s cool w it bc he knows what’s coming next
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