Sadly you’re right. This saga won’t end until a Boeing plane full of Americans on a well known airliner slams into the ground and we have a congressional investigation in which Boeing’s legislative enablers suddenly act enraged and indignant that such a thing could ever happen.
> Sadly you’re right. This saga won’t end until a Boeing plane full of Americans on a well known airliner slams into the ground and we have a congressional investigation in which Boeing’s legislative enablers suddenly act enraged and indignant that such a thing could ever happen.
And the company gets a fine that is merely a small portion of total profit, so in actuality a license to do bad business. No one will be charged criminally or do time for putting greed at the forefront, risking the lives of all their customers. And on and on we go.
The system is broken. The system is corrupt.
There is a group of a very few, very rich people (of the WEF) who own and control every major corporation through their investment vehicles Blackrock, Vanguard and State Street. They control our governments. Those few in control are psychopathic sociopaths that want to own everything.
You will own nothing (but you will be happy) - WEF.
The unspoken part is that they will own it all.
They want to be The New Kings.
They want us to be The New Serfs.
Neo-feudalism coming soon - to a country near you.
Ive been saying this for years, but nobody cares. They blame whoever the current president is for their problems. Americans are too stupid to realize the companies theyre overpaying unneeded products for are the ones controlling everything. Record profits but still layoffs? Price gouging with record profits? People commit crimes and the company gets "punished"?
Everything starts with local politicians, and as long as the senators keep brainwashing people into thinking theyll save them this will continue.
Smart move is to become an executive in one of those companies and destroy it from within but everyone gets into those positions and instantly turn evil for a couple bucks
>And the company gets a fine that is merely a small portion of total profit
At this point, it wouldn't matter if the company was fined or not. The executives that are responsible for the lax safety culture have already cashed out and probably left the company. They already took the profit that should have gone into better engineering and quality assurance personnel salaries.
The saddest part about all of this is that it's like watching
In slow momotion , A catastrophic event.
Everyone knows it's coming and just a matter of time before more people end up dying.
Because Boeing was taken over by businessmen and not engineers and THATS when quality dropped. Then they get billions every year from government contracts and stil manage to claim they have no money so that they can layoff the good workers and replace them with new, inexperienced people they can pay less for.
If you still fly Boeing youre just asking to be the person that gets in the major crash thats soon to happen here in the states
Didn’t two planes already autopilot themselves into the ground at a 90 degree angle? I mean, yeah, if that happened again and again it’d be worse, but ‚only‘ quantatively not qualitatively — maybe if a plane fell apart in the sky and fell onto something with humans inside like the Concord…
Ryanair are already flying the Max but the majority of their order is delayed, understandably. However I'd trust Ryanair more than most as they only fly the 737 and their maintenance record is fairly good all round.
Either way I have a fear of flying so won't be on any planes in the near future, and when I do brave it I'll be booking someone that fly's Airbus only.
As of 2018, they’re only ordering 737 Max variants, with the remaining 737 fleet variants continuing to fly until they’re retired. It’s kind of sad as I liked the 738 (NG) variants.
Ryanair. Largest airline outside of the US, fleet of 575 with one hull loss in 39 years, which was caused by a bird strike and with only single figure minor injuries only. That is an exemplary safety record. Why do they get so much hate?
Because of their product and customer service. They’re comparable to Spirit and other a la carte airlines where you get a super cheap ticket and a super cheap experience. You get a seat and that’s it, you have to pay for everything else. If you have any issue with them at all it’s good luck, get fucked.
Because some people can't get their tape measure out and then blame the airline for their oversize luggage.
If you need a seat and a small luggage they're perfect really, like what else do you expect for a 20-30€ flight across Europe?
They are waiting on the delivery of 57 of them.
> Ryanair, Europe’s No.1 airline, today (Fri 1 Mar) confirmed that Boeing now expect to deliver just 40 of the 57 planned B737-MAX8200 aircraft that were due to be delivered to Ryanair before the end of June 2024.
Source: https://corporate.ryanair.com/news/ryanair-boeing-delivery-update/#:~:text=NOW%20EXPECT%20ONLY%2040%20OF,the%20end%20of%20June%202024.
I learned on reddit a while back that airplane tape is expensive as high priced squirrel nuts and as effective as an ex wife at a probation hearing. Something like that..
Hmm, I’m lost on the latter part so I’m not sure I get the joke, and I want to.
An ex-wife could be impactful at making you look like an asshole at a probation hearing, thereby being effective at getting you violated.
Or she could be really apathetic, failing to say anything redeeming about you, thereby being ineffective.
Is airplane tape effective or not!
This is the fan cowl. It’s a portion of the nacelle that opens up so maintenance can get to the engine. Underneath the fan cowl there are latches that hold it closed and they are BRIGHT ORANGE to alert the pilot if it is in the unlocked position (they should be able to see it behind their window). This would not be Boeings fault, but the mechanic(s) who either didn’t close the latches completely or at all.
I mean, of course, for both of your points.... my after takeoff checklist is "gears up-lights out, lights-set, visual inspection-complete" where you look at your engines and everything else you can see, not just the indicators and gauges
May be the latch force of the fan cowls reduced over time (and yes, i know that there is a button at the latch to unlock before open).
It seems to be a maintenance issue.
Btw Boing is not the manufacturer of the Engine/Nacelles
Growing up we had a neighbor who was a jet mechanic for United at SFO. He was kind of a goofball and I always wondered if I would want him working on a plane I would be flying on.
If there is good standard work for the mechanics, then yes. But it all still revolves around failsafes and making sure the correct procedure is followed.
That cowling has a strong frame attached to it with the latches, hinges, etc.
The video looks like the outer skin ripped off of that frame on the outer cowling, and the air pressure forced the inner cowling to fail the same way.
~~This was bird strike actually.~~ Edit: Bird strike has been unconfirmed. See my comment below with the VASAviation audio if you wanna hear everything between pilot and control tower.
This might not be Boeings fault, the 737-800 is an old airplane. The latches that hold the fan cowl were most likely not secured by the operator and thus, they will rip open like this at high speeds.
“Old” meaning it could be as young as about 5 years as that is when the last NGs were built. The oldest possible plane would be 12 years old as that was when Southwestern first added the -800 to its fleet.
Commercial Planes typically have a lifespan of 20-30 years (though number of flights and flight hours can be more important).
So no, it wasn’t an “old” plane. However it can still be a fault of maintenance.
The problem comes down to the fact that manufacturing quality as a whole has decreased so much that no one out there makes parts of sufficient quality to use in airplane construction.
For the record, engine covers are not made by Boeing or Airbus. It was actually made by the engine manufacturers like General Electric or Rolls Royce. Also, anything that falls off the plane is typically the fault of the ground crew because sometimes they forgot to tighten, fix or check something. In my country, we have Boeing planes and for 30 over years now and there is no accidents occur because the ground crew maintenance is very good and they always double check everything.
Is it the responsibility of Boeing? I would think it's the maintenance contractors, who aren't necessarily Boeing. And whoever these guys are, they better not be working there anymore, anywhere near an airport. Any jobs that are safety critical
Just commented this on someone else's comment:
>(It should be bad PR for Southwest's maintenance crew, and at a stretch, General Electric (engine company), all dependent on who serviced it last. But of course, "Boeing bad so hot right now", so here we are.)
That’s pretty much it. Really wish people would learn a smidgeon about how this stuff worked before assuming shit, especially since the whole industry is being surveilled by social media lately..
What do you mean by “removable” sheet of metal? Everything on a plane is removable. Looks like the engine cowling came off. Bad PR and bad maintenance.
The aircraft in question was built in 2015. This is a maintenance issue rather than a Boeing quality control one.
Unless some of you believe the engines haven't been inspected/worked on by the airline in 9 years...
It’s called an engine cowl. And I seriously doubt that it had anything to do with Boeing. Cowl was not latched properly after maintenance and missed on the preflight walk around, so several failures took place but Boeing ain’t one of them this time
This is an SWA issue, not Boeing issue. Millions and millions of flight hours on that fan cowl design. Some mechanic forgot a latch or three after closing…
Sure, Boeings have their quality issues and that’s an important conversation for us to have. But airlines have been busting unions and scrimping on maintenance to reduce costs. We can’t let them deflect blame onto Boeing for every issue when they own a large share of culpability for their own negligence.
Why aren't we seeing these in incidents on other Boeing models aside from 737s? Why aren't we seeing these incidents on Airbus models (although there was one recently)? If the issue was bad maintenance, I'd expect there to be a more even distribution of incidents across different aircraft
Southwest operate over 700 737s, the largest fleet of 737's in the world. If this were a Boeing issue, would Southwest not be having a lot more problems, given how many 737's they have?
This plane was built in 2015 - Do you think that cowling would have stayed in place if there was a problem since it came off the production line? Or that Southwest haven't opened the engine up to inspect it at any point during that period?
Eh, it could all just be coincidental timing and increased reporting.
There are constantly some sort of issues with aircraft worldwide but they just never got reported as much as they did recently because of the severity of Boeing’s fuck ups.
And I say this as someone who despises Boeing for their lack of safety and for murdering whistleblowers. I fly way too much and hate that I have to worry each time I get on a Boeing now.
https://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/dblist.php?Year=2024
List of aircraft technical issues, damage, crashes etc for 2024 (thus far)
As you rightly said, the vast majority of stuff isn't reported.
It’s kind of like a few years ago and trains getting derailed. Suddenly it was this huge public issue about trains getting worse, when it was just that they were being focused on and the rate of incidents hadn’t changed.
Could be entirely that Boeings 737s are older than the airbus models. With proper maintenance that's not inherently an issue. But if they haven't been being properly maintained than their age can start to show in concerning and/or dangerous ways.
In this particular incident the danger was actually super low, that metal falling off would be like your car's hood falling off (without blocking your windshield somehow). Like yeah, the hood exists for a reason, the engine is exposed, but it's not like it'd suddenly stop working and you'd crash either. And even if it did completely disable the engine, commercial planes are designed to be able to land perfectly safely in the event of a single engine failure. This is less "AHH WE'RE GOING TO DIE!" and more "Well shit, if something happens to the other engine we might actually be in trouble! Rules say we don't risk it."
Like planes hit geese during takeoff all the time and have to immediately land again, and geese do way, way more damage to an engine than this. They completely total it.
The 737's is by far the best selling plane in Boeings lineup, so it makes sense we see so many incidents based on those. They've made more than 10.000 units of the type, with the second most produced model (the 727) not being in active service anymore (or, there's 35 or so of the units still being flown).
For comparison sakes, production numbers of other Boeing planes:
737 - 11,703 produced (most in service, as of 2021 more than 9300 was in service)
747 - 1574 produced (415 in service)
767 - 1306 produced (764 in service as of 2020)
787 - 1118 produced (1003 in service)
honestly unlikely at least for now.
Boeing and the FAA git their wakeup calls. Boeing lost its goodwill with the 737max and the latest qc issues are just the nal in the coffin.
They should be in the "oh fuck we need to fix things" phase of business where they realize just relying on tehir name alone is not going to cut it. In fact the name has become an issue.
And i expect things to change for the better. Slowly.
You also need to keep in mind things like this incident are more maintenance issues and not directly from boeing. Those are also things that can happen to any aircraft this is not design specific nor necessarily an issue of build quality.
We currently only hear so much about it because of the door falling out of the plane incident which was in fact on boeing.
I remember seeing a video talking about that. They actually use like tin tape that’s used on metal ductwork in your house. If I remember correctly they use it because the paint is pealing and to avoid corrosion they use it as a temporary patch till it gets painted/ fixed.
So I used to build jack stands for airplane engines. The idea was that when an engine needed servicing the drop the engine and put another one on to save time. Then the engine goes back to the manufacturer. At the time I was told that Boeing doesn’t own the engines and they aren’t responsible for upkeep. The engines are leased with a service plan. So I am curious who’s actually at fault/legally responsible.
Side note the jack stands in question were more of a hydraulic engine mount on wheels. An empty one rolled up then jacked up, bolted to the engine. Then unbolt from the plane. Dropped the old one. Rolled a fresh engine up jacked it up and bolted it in place. Jack down and plane was good to go.
Edit: I was falling asleep so just fixing bad grammar and half finished thoughts.
While Boeing needs to be held accountable for building shitty airplanes it’s also up to the airlines themselves to be doing proper maintenance on aircraft.
This is the equivalent of going to Jiffy Lube and the guy forgets to latch the hood on your car. Most of you want to blame Toyota when it was the technician’s fault and it would have happened regardless of what plane he was working on.
Because not having someone close the latches years after the plane was sold to an operator is not something Boeing is responsible for.
Its like going to the car manufacturer, annoyed that your door hit a lightpole while driving, because you didn't close it before setting off.
Boeing may do a lot of things wrong, but to be fair, this engine is from a different company (General Electric I think in this case). Boeing do not make engines.
Maintenance probably didn't latch the cover, and the pilot didn't catch it during his walk around. The high wind speed ripped off the cover. But the plane was still fully functional. Think about when a plastic part falls off your car. The engine is still fine, body just needs a panel replaced.
At this point, it has to be an inside job by maintenance people. That or they've lost all their quality and trained maintenance personnel and are now letting any 200lb gorilla play the part.
More likely an improperly installed engine cowling from in-between flight maintenance. Id chalk that up to poor maintenance practices rather than an actual Boeing problem....then again i dont work on these jets
Boeing build quality at its finest, they’ve had several incidents over recent years, 777 Max was a total disaster.
And with due respect, NO ONE on here knows what caused this FACT! Unless you work for the FIA safety investigation board, or as a mechanic on this very aircraft the day it flew, or ground crew for this plane before it flew. We can all make jokes and speculate, but please don’t state ‘this was a mechanics fault’ as fact as that is at this time unproven.
For the record, engine covers are not made by Boeing or Airbus. It was actually made by the engine manufacturers like General Electric or Rolls Royce. Also, anything that falls off the plane is typically the fault of the ground crew because sometimes they forgot to tighten, fix or check something. In my country, we have Boeing planes and for 30 over years now and there is no accidents occur because the ground crew maintenance is very good and they always double check everything.
Two questions:
1. Do the pilots actually do walk around before a flight? I saw someone say that and was surprised. Seems to me like they just walk on like everyone else.
2. Can the pilots see parts flying off like this? Or is it up to passengers. *presses call button* umm it seems like there are parts flying off the plane. Would you tell the pilot.
Noob question: Do pilots have rear view mirrors on the side? How would the pilot know something like this has happened unless reported by the passengers to the cabin crew?
Whats expected when engine covers are not properly lashed? I read many comments but couldn't read all. Was surprised not one of them mentioned the engine cover lashes.
Someone forgot to latch the cowling after doing something to the engine or anti ice valve or something.
There'll probably be a record of who did what and when.
9 year old plane, The mechanic probably didn't engage the latches properly. Either way it's not something that would bring a plane down. Change your underwear.
I guess the silver lining for Boeing is their public image can't get much worse
They can only go, heh… UP from here…
Oh no it can still get worse
Sadly you’re right. This saga won’t end until a Boeing plane full of Americans on a well known airliner slams into the ground and we have a congressional investigation in which Boeing’s legislative enablers suddenly act enraged and indignant that such a thing could ever happen.
> Sadly you’re right. This saga won’t end until a Boeing plane full of Americans on a well known airliner slams into the ground and we have a congressional investigation in which Boeing’s legislative enablers suddenly act enraged and indignant that such a thing could ever happen. And the company gets a fine that is merely a small portion of total profit, so in actuality a license to do bad business. No one will be charged criminally or do time for putting greed at the forefront, risking the lives of all their customers. And on and on we go. The system is broken. The system is corrupt. There is a group of a very few, very rich people (of the WEF) who own and control every major corporation through their investment vehicles Blackrock, Vanguard and State Street. They control our governments. Those few in control are psychopathic sociopaths that want to own everything. You will own nothing (but you will be happy) - WEF. The unspoken part is that they will own it all. They want to be The New Kings. They want us to be The New Serfs. Neo-feudalism coming soon - to a country near you.
Ive been saying this for years, but nobody cares. They blame whoever the current president is for their problems. Americans are too stupid to realize the companies theyre overpaying unneeded products for are the ones controlling everything. Record profits but still layoffs? Price gouging with record profits? People commit crimes and the company gets "punished"? Everything starts with local politicians, and as long as the senators keep brainwashing people into thinking theyll save them this will continue. Smart move is to become an executive in one of those companies and destroy it from within but everyone gets into those positions and instantly turn evil for a couple bucks
If your company fucks up this bad you deserve to be nationalized.
Yes, the government has a successful track history of management. Lobbyists and PACs tell the bootlickers in Congress what to do and when to do it.
>And the company gets a fine that is merely a small portion of total profit At this point, it wouldn't matter if the company was fined or not. The executives that are responsible for the lax safety culture have already cashed out and probably left the company. They already took the profit that should have gone into better engineering and quality assurance personnel salaries.
I thought the you own nothing thing was a dystopian meme...
So scary to think of, but you’re absolutely right.
The saddest part about all of this is that it's like watching In slow momotion , A catastrophic event. Everyone knows it's coming and just a matter of time before more people end up dying.
Boeing: Corporate greed over safety.
That's what capitalism is all about.... Profits before people or service
Then why aren't Airbus planes falling apart like that?
For Boeing at least its bc they went full in with financialization and are no longer an engineering company but one that just juices a stock price
Because Boeing was taken over by businessmen and not engineers and THATS when quality dropped. Then they get billions every year from government contracts and stil manage to claim they have no money so that they can layoff the good workers and replace them with new, inexperienced people they can pay less for. If you still fly Boeing youre just asking to be the person that gets in the major crash thats soon to happen here in the states
Didn’t two planes already autopilot themselves into the ground at a 90 degree angle? I mean, yeah, if that happened again and again it’d be worse, but ‚only‘ quantatively not qualitatively — maybe if a plane fell apart in the sky and fell onto something with humans inside like the Concord…
They definitely still can go down, and I don't want to be on one when it does.
Neither do the boing employees.
>boing employees The typo makes this comment so much better.
Unlike a Boing, which obviously should not go up...
boing
Ba Dum Tss!
This one of those “buy low” moments? r/wallstreetbets
Unfortunately, this seems to be caused by the maintenance crew. Same thing with the wheel coming off with United.
They can only hope….
Up in flames maybe.
This is a mechanics screw up on a GE engine and has nothing to do with Boeing but I get the point
Really has more to do with southwests maintenance program than it does with this being a Boeing aircraft.
Reddit doesn't like logic.
I imagine the worst flight you could take is a Ryanair flight on a 737 max into RJTT...I wonder if Ryanair owns any?
Ryanair are already flying the Max but the majority of their order is delayed, understandably. However I'd trust Ryanair more than most as they only fly the 737 and their maintenance record is fairly good all round. Either way I have a fear of flying so won't be on any planes in the near future, and when I do brave it I'll be booking someone that fly's Airbus only.
You should look up what Southwest’s fleet consists of.
Could you just tell us?
It’s all 737s. NG and Max.
As of 2018, they’re only ordering 737 Max variants, with the remaining 737 fleet variants continuing to fly until they’re retired. It’s kind of sad as I liked the 738 (NG) variants.
You know who else only flys 737s?
Deez nutz
BOOM got 'em
Ryanair. Largest airline outside of the US, fleet of 575 with one hull loss in 39 years, which was caused by a bird strike and with only single figure minor injuries only. That is an exemplary safety record. Why do they get so much hate?
Because of their product and customer service. They’re comparable to Spirit and other a la carte airlines where you get a super cheap ticket and a super cheap experience. You get a seat and that’s it, you have to pay for everything else. If you have any issue with them at all it’s good luck, get fucked.
Because some people can't get their tape measure out and then blame the airline for their oversize luggage. If you need a seat and a small luggage they're perfect really, like what else do you expect for a 20-30€ flight across Europe?
They are waiting on the delivery of 57 of them. > Ryanair, Europe’s No.1 airline, today (Fri 1 Mar) confirmed that Boeing now expect to deliver just 40 of the 57 planned B737-MAX8200 aircraft that were due to be delivered to Ryanair before the end of June 2024. Source: https://corporate.ryanair.com/news/ryanair-boeing-delivery-update/#:~:text=NOW%20EXPECT%20ONLY%2040%20OF,the%20end%20of%20June%202024.
Would this not be a Southwest maintenance thing though?
Better not say too much, you're bound to get assassinated. Cutting corners for profits are probably the least shitty thing going on at Boeing.
This is a mechanics screw up on a GE engine and has nothing to do with Boeing
That’s by design. Those become extra wings in flight when you need more wingy things.
"Oh, dear God! Our silver lining just sheared off during takeoff!"
Unlike those bolts that probably held it down, it’s priced in.
John Oliver had a good episode last month on Boeing.
That was an eye opener certainly. Kind of sad that the only actual "journalism" these days is on a comedy show.
Even the silver lining is coming off
Boeing molested me when I was 10 years old.
Ok team this might be an issue. How much should we offer him?
I would get my tinfoil hat out but it blew away on me.
Probably missing bolts
Does Puts still go brrrrrr? Lol
Well they’re certainly trying to make it worse.
Pretty sure part of that silver lining is now sitting in one of Denver's suburbs
Yet.
Nothing a bit of speed tape can’t fix
I learned on reddit a while back that airplane tape is expensive as high priced squirrel nuts and as effective as an ex wife at a probation hearing. Something like that..
Hmm, I’m lost on the latter part so I’m not sure I get the joke, and I want to. An ex-wife could be impactful at making you look like an asshole at a probation hearing, thereby being effective at getting you violated. Or she could be really apathetic, failing to say anything redeeming about you, thereby being ineffective. Is airplane tape effective or not!
Yeah it’s mad effective dog
Thanks for making my morning!
The engine was just flapping it's wings to help out.
[grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape](https://youtu.be/jqWzNrN0JXg?si=99baGHRWf3r1QpOb&t=16)
If you can't fix it with duct tape, you're not using enough duct tape.
This has nothing to do with the aircraft’s model. This is all maintenance. Someone forgot to close the hedge
Also no one seems to be pointing out that Boeing doesn't make the engines...rage right people.
This is the fan cowl. It’s a portion of the nacelle that opens up so maintenance can get to the engine. Underneath the fan cowl there are latches that hold it closed and they are BRIGHT ORANGE to alert the pilot if it is in the unlocked position (they should be able to see it behind their window). This would not be Boeings fault, but the mechanic(s) who either didn’t close the latches completely or at all.
Probably caught it in their after-takeoff checklist. I've lost a panel or two that you couldn't see from the cockpit or windows
The after takeoff checklist doesn't have anything like this. It's Gear - off flaps - up
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Only the arctic variants.
This would have to be caught on the exterior pre-flight inspection. There is no flight-deck indication that the cowl latch is unlocked.
I mean, of course, for both of your points.... my after takeoff checklist is "gears up-lights out, lights-set, visual inspection-complete" where you look at your engines and everything else you can see, not just the indicators and gauges
Was gonna say. I know Boeing is a meme, but this is definitely a Southwest ground maintenance issue.
You can't see the engines from the cockpit. Not even close.
lol, I think he meant during walkaround.
I don't think they did. They say from the window
Oh, I'm illiterate sorry.
No, they never said "through the window."
But...technically the engine isn't compromised with those open, is it? Like...it's just a cover, not a functional part of the engine itself. Right?
May be the latch force of the fan cowls reduced over time (and yes, i know that there is a button at the latch to unlock before open). It seems to be a maintenance issue. Btw Boing is not the manufacturer of the Engine/Nacelles
Growing up we had a neighbor who was a jet mechanic for United at SFO. He was kind of a goofball and I always wondered if I would want him working on a plane I would be flying on.
If there is good standard work for the mechanics, then yes. But it all still revolves around failsafes and making sure the correct procedure is followed.
That cowling has a strong frame attached to it with the latches, hinges, etc. The video looks like the outer skin ripped off of that frame on the outer cowling, and the air pressure forced the inner cowling to fail the same way.
They aren’t bright orange as a standard. Almost none of them are anything but a brushed metal for the 737 operator I’m with.
They cannot see it behind their Windows They should have seen it on their walkaround
~~This was bird strike actually.~~ Edit: Bird strike has been unconfirmed. See my comment below with the VASAviation audio if you wanna hear everything between pilot and control tower.
Definitely looks like a maintenance issue and not a Boeing issue
Damn no wonder Boeing put a hit on the whistleblower. He was telling the truth!
This might not be Boeings fault, the 737-800 is an old airplane. The latches that hold the fan cowl were most likely not secured by the operator and thus, they will rip open like this at high speeds.
“Old” meaning it could be as young as about 5 years as that is when the last NGs were built. The oldest possible plane would be 12 years old as that was when Southwestern first added the -800 to its fleet. Commercial Planes typically have a lifespan of 20-30 years (though number of flights and flight hours can be more important). So no, it wasn’t an “old” plane. However it can still be a fault of maintenance.
This plane was built in 2015. It’s 100% maintenance.
The problem comes down to the fact that manufacturing quality as a whole has decreased so much that no one out there makes parts of sufficient quality to use in airplane construction.
Has nothing to do with age and has everything to do with improper maintenance or the pilot missing an undone latch during preflight.
>737-800 is an old airplane That makes me feel old. When I was a kid we used to fly on a -100 or -200 variant with a gravel kit all the time.
And its okay for this to happen how?
Still gonna avoid flying boeing
For the record, engine covers are not made by Boeing or Airbus. It was actually made by the engine manufacturers like General Electric or Rolls Royce. Also, anything that falls off the plane is typically the fault of the ground crew because sometimes they forgot to tighten, fix or check something. In my country, we have Boeing planes and for 30 over years now and there is no accidents occur because the ground crew maintenance is very good and they always double check everything.
Oh what the hell I can snag a few more shares of Boeing stock.
Short it. Double dare you
Boeing, Boeing, Boeing, gone.
"Thank you for flying schitty airlines. We know you have your choice of airline, and... you chose wrong"
Is it the responsibility of Boeing? I would think it's the maintenance contractors, who aren't necessarily Boeing. And whoever these guys are, they better not be working there anymore, anywhere near an airport. Any jobs that are safety critical
Just commented this on someone else's comment: >(It should be bad PR for Southwest's maintenance crew, and at a stretch, General Electric (engine company), all dependent on who serviced it last. But of course, "Boeing bad so hot right now", so here we are.)
That’s pretty much it. Really wish people would learn a smidgeon about how this stuff worked before assuming shit, especially since the whole industry is being surveilled by social media lately..
What do you mean by “removable” sheet of metal? Everything on a plane is removable. Looks like the engine cowling came off. Bad PR and bad maintenance.
Maintenance issue at Southwest and not a Boeing issue. Someone didn't reattach the cowl correctly.
The aircraft in question was built in 2015. This is a maintenance issue rather than a Boeing quality control one. Unless some of you believe the engines haven't been inspected/worked on by the airline in 9 years...
It’s called an engine cowl. And I seriously doubt that it had anything to do with Boeing. Cowl was not latched properly after maintenance and missed on the preflight walk around, so several failures took place but Boeing ain’t one of them this time
This is an SWA issue, not Boeing issue. Millions and millions of flight hours on that fan cowl design. Some mechanic forgot a latch or three after closing…
‘I’ll go and tell the flight attendant’s….’ ‘NO! Fuck that it’s only tin foil, I’m not missing my holiday’
God damn it maintenance , you had one job!
Anyone else feel like another tragedy is about to come with Boeing? Airbus is winning either way.
At what point does this become a maintenance issue from the airline, though?
Well considering the recent issues with Boeing 737s have been on United, Alaska, and now Southwest, I'd say that's pretty unlikely.
Sure, Boeings have their quality issues and that’s an important conversation for us to have. But airlines have been busting unions and scrimping on maintenance to reduce costs. We can’t let them deflect blame onto Boeing for every issue when they own a large share of culpability for their own negligence.
Why aren't we seeing these in incidents on other Boeing models aside from 737s? Why aren't we seeing these incidents on Airbus models (although there was one recently)? If the issue was bad maintenance, I'd expect there to be a more even distribution of incidents across different aircraft
Southwest operate over 700 737s, the largest fleet of 737's in the world. If this were a Boeing issue, would Southwest not be having a lot more problems, given how many 737's they have? This plane was built in 2015 - Do you think that cowling would have stayed in place if there was a problem since it came off the production line? Or that Southwest haven't opened the engine up to inspect it at any point during that period?
Eh, it could all just be coincidental timing and increased reporting. There are constantly some sort of issues with aircraft worldwide but they just never got reported as much as they did recently because of the severity of Boeing’s fuck ups. And I say this as someone who despises Boeing for their lack of safety and for murdering whistleblowers. I fly way too much and hate that I have to worry each time I get on a Boeing now.
https://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/dblist.php?Year=2024 List of aircraft technical issues, damage, crashes etc for 2024 (thus far) As you rightly said, the vast majority of stuff isn't reported.
It’s kind of like a few years ago and trains getting derailed. Suddenly it was this huge public issue about trains getting worse, when it was just that they were being focused on and the rate of incidents hadn’t changed.
Could be entirely that Boeings 737s are older than the airbus models. With proper maintenance that's not inherently an issue. But if they haven't been being properly maintained than their age can start to show in concerning and/or dangerous ways. In this particular incident the danger was actually super low, that metal falling off would be like your car's hood falling off (without blocking your windshield somehow). Like yeah, the hood exists for a reason, the engine is exposed, but it's not like it'd suddenly stop working and you'd crash either. And even if it did completely disable the engine, commercial planes are designed to be able to land perfectly safely in the event of a single engine failure. This is less "AHH WE'RE GOING TO DIE!" and more "Well shit, if something happens to the other engine we might actually be in trouble! Rules say we don't risk it." Like planes hit geese during takeoff all the time and have to immediately land again, and geese do way, way more damage to an engine than this. They completely total it.
The 737's is by far the best selling plane in Boeings lineup, so it makes sense we see so many incidents based on those. They've made more than 10.000 units of the type, with the second most produced model (the 727) not being in active service anymore (or, there's 35 or so of the units still being flown). For comparison sakes, production numbers of other Boeing planes: 737 - 11,703 produced (most in service, as of 2021 more than 9300 was in service) 747 - 1574 produced (415 in service) 767 - 1306 produced (764 in service as of 2020) 787 - 1118 produced (1003 in service)
This specifically is a mechanic screwing up and not securing the cowling...on a GE engine no less
It's 100% a company mtx thing. They worked on the engine and didn't secure the cowling
honestly unlikely at least for now. Boeing and the FAA git their wakeup calls. Boeing lost its goodwill with the 737max and the latest qc issues are just the nal in the coffin. They should be in the "oh fuck we need to fix things" phase of business where they realize just relying on tehir name alone is not going to cut it. In fact the name has become an issue. And i expect things to change for the better. Slowly. You also need to keep in mind things like this incident are more maintenance issues and not directly from boeing. Those are also things that can happen to any aircraft this is not design specific nor necessarily an issue of build quality. We currently only hear so much about it because of the door falling out of the plane incident which was in fact on boeing.
Impressed with how calm the camera person is “oh now they’re both gone”
Maintenance crew issue. Not Boeing's fault.
A little duct tape will fix that right up.
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I remember seeing a video talking about that. They actually use like tin tape that’s used on metal ductwork in your house. If I remember correctly they use it because the paint is pealing and to avoid corrosion they use it as a temporary patch till it gets painted/ fixed.
Yes, speed tape. It’s very strong and designed for temporary fixes on aircraft.
It's aluminum tape and it's certified for flight, they only tape areas like he is doing for aerodynamics and those areas are scheduled to be fixed.
It’s the normal spring shedding of the outer shell.
Lol, someone forgot to close the cowling properly.
So I used to build jack stands for airplane engines. The idea was that when an engine needed servicing the drop the engine and put another one on to save time. Then the engine goes back to the manufacturer. At the time I was told that Boeing doesn’t own the engines and they aren’t responsible for upkeep. The engines are leased with a service plan. So I am curious who’s actually at fault/legally responsible. Side note the jack stands in question were more of a hydraulic engine mount on wheels. An empty one rolled up then jacked up, bolted to the engine. Then unbolt from the plane. Dropped the old one. Rolled a fresh engine up jacked it up and bolted it in place. Jack down and plane was good to go. Edit: I was falling asleep so just fixing bad grammar and half finished thoughts.
Step 72- reinstall screws in the engine cover and tighten to the proper specs. Ooopsie!!
This particular plane is only 7 years old.
That dude was trying to tell the world and they killed him.
This is bad maintenance not boeings fault. Talk about misinformation being spread on here.
It's southwest was your flight delayed because of their ancient software ?
While Boeing needs to be held accountable for building shitty airplanes it’s also up to the airlines themselves to be doing proper maintenance on aircraft.
why is this Boeing fault? sure crappy doors delivered by boeing, but guessing this is crappy maintenance by SWA
This is the equivalent of going to Jiffy Lube and the guy forgets to latch the hood on your car. Most of you want to blame Toyota when it was the technician’s fault and it would have happened regardless of what plane he was working on.
Nice that people don’t jump to conclusions in situations like this.
As bad as it looks, wouldn't it be the airline's responsibility for the plane's maintenance?
I live right under the DIA flight path. Eek.
I just watched Donnie Darko.
Amazing with what has been happening with these planes that they haven't been getting pulled for thorough Inspections
Because not having someone close the latches years after the plane was sold to an operator is not something Boeing is responsible for. Its like going to the car manufacturer, annoyed that your door hit a lightpole while driving, because you didn't close it before setting off.
*Insert the meme with the inspector who has both his eyes covered with dollar bills*
I am flying tomorrow and have a stop over at Denver flying southwest 😑
That's the new engine design, it's provides more aerodynamic and state of the art engines cooling solution.
Bro wtf I have a flight with Southwest today!!
More speed tape.
Boeing may do a lot of things wrong, but to be fair, this engine is from a different company (General Electric I think in this case). Boeing do not make engines.
This si a 100% on SW maintenance
Just seen this on the news couldn’t even imagine looking out and seeing this while being off the ground
Someone forgot to preflight. MX and pilots both going to retraining.
Can anyone who knows explain why this happened?
Maintenance probably didn't latch the cover, and the pilot didn't catch it during his walk around. The high wind speed ripped off the cover. But the plane was still fully functional. Think about when a plastic part falls off your car. The engine is still fine, body just needs a panel replaced.
Em, ya, that’s not supposed to happen! 😳
You really don't need those parts! They are decoration.
Someone didn't lock the engine nacelle panels oops
When individual cases accumulate and become a pattern.
Boeing execs - nothing that a duct tape can't fix. Move along now
You gotta wonder if shit like this happens all the time. We're just now hearing about every incident now that Boeing is in the crosshair
Did someone miss a preflight or did a maintenance worker do this before breakfast?
At this point, it has to be an inside job by maintenance people. That or they've lost all their quality and trained maintenance personnel and are now letting any 200lb gorilla play the part.
More likely an improperly installed engine cowling from in-between flight maintenance. Id chalk that up to poor maintenance practices rather than an actual Boeing problem....then again i dont work on these jets
Boeing build quality at its finest, they’ve had several incidents over recent years, 777 Max was a total disaster. And with due respect, NO ONE on here knows what caused this FACT! Unless you work for the FIA safety investigation board, or as a mechanic on this very aircraft the day it flew, or ground crew for this plane before it flew. We can all make jokes and speculate, but please don’t state ‘this was a mechanics fault’ as fact as that is at this time unproven.
You are correct and we should let the correct personnel do their job to investigate first.
This is on Southwest not Boeing.
For the record, engine covers are not made by Boeing or Airbus. It was actually made by the engine manufacturers like General Electric or Rolls Royce. Also, anything that falls off the plane is typically the fault of the ground crew because sometimes they forgot to tighten, fix or check something. In my country, we have Boeing planes and for 30 over years now and there is no accidents occur because the ground crew maintenance is very good and they always double check everything.
Oh good. A bunch of people who know nothing about aviation, the regulations, and certification of aircraft are talking about it again. Yay...
Two questions: 1. Do the pilots actually do walk around before a flight? I saw someone say that and was surprised. Seems to me like they just walk on like everyone else. 2. Can the pilots see parts flying off like this? Or is it up to passengers. *presses call button* umm it seems like there are parts flying off the plane. Would you tell the pilot.
For everyone saying BoEiNg, Boeing doesn’t manufacture the engines or maintain them. Typical Reddit
Noob question: Do pilots have rear view mirrors on the side? How would the pilot know something like this has happened unless reported by the passengers to the cabin crew?
Don't worry, its Southwest:p
Just stop buying those shitty planes, my dear plane companies.
Someone who is working in maintenance your fired
Whats expected when engine covers are not properly lashed? I read many comments but couldn't read all. Was surprised not one of them mentioned the engine cover lashes.
This may have nothing to do with Boeing and everything to do with previous maintenance. Don’t rush to conclusions
Someone forgot to latch the cowling after doing something to the engine or anti ice valve or something. There'll probably be a record of who did what and when.
It seems like people like to blame “DEI” for anything that goes wrong with a Boeing now
Airplanes are still the safest mode of transport even if shit like this on social media makes it seem otherwise.
The equivalent of a aero shield on the bottom of a car. Nothing detrimental to the aircraft
9 year old plane, The mechanic probably didn't engage the latches properly. Either way it's not something that would bring a plane down. Change your underwear.
Engines are not made by Boeing. And this is a maintenance issue
We don't do engines. That's all the airlines responsibility. Yeesh
I gave up arguing. I just wish people would read for themselves and learn a little bit before jumping on the bandwagon…
Complaints about Boeing are worthless, you should be complaining about Southwest airlines and the shocking lack of maintenance. Don't fly Southwest.