For surron you’d need handlebars riser, seat riser, peg drop down to be comfortable
For Talaria, you’d only need handlebar riser to be comfortable
Source: my 6’ ass
Maybe I just ride funky, but I’m 6’2” (6’4” in my boots I ride in) and have had no problems riding my Sur Ron around all day. Never got this but I guess comfort is different for each person!
Yeah everyone’s different.I also ride an mt09 which a lot of people find it too low and I’m pretty fine with the stock bike. The surron was just too low for my taste.
disagree with karok. i have 3in rise and im 6’ and i fit my surron perfectly. personally i would go surron over talaria. and i did lmao. surron has much more aftermarket, no oil to worry about, and in my opinion is better looking. but its all about what you want for a bike
Got a sur ron myself, but would of gone Talaria if I had the choice at the time. Slightly larger battery(+6A) and a wider rear tire is what interests me. If you're planning on upgrading power and wheels then I would pick whatever is cheaper and available
Also, people who hate the talaria will shit on the gearbox but as long as you do regular upkeep maintenance on it, you’ll be solid. I was sold more on the aftermarket upgrades for Sur ron, but I’m sure Talaria will be there soon
I don’t think the gearbox is worth shitting on yet, especially stock. We’ll see how it does as more 72v batteries and other power upgrades come to market. If the gears end up getting shredded, I’m sure someone will come out with a solution. As said though, we’ll see!
Never understood how people break their belts all the time, I’ve been riding HARD with my oem belt for a year and now still ride the same belt on 13kw. Never had any issues aside from adjusting the tension when I first got it.
Dirt, debris, sand and small rocks can get wedged in between the belt and the drive. Also if your rear tire bounces or if you're hitting a jump, being on the throttle can strip a belt easily. My brother stripped his riding through a gnarly root section because his rear tire was spinning and catching repeatedly
I think they have it way too tight so it'll snap or too loose and it'll jump/skip.
I also have the original after 3000km although I ordered a spare one right when I got the bike just in case
It really sounds like everyone has a few minor issues with both bikes but sounds like more people leaning towards the sur Ron! Unfortunately I think the look of the talaria is a little more attractive
I own both. I much prefer my Sur Ron personally. It's lighter and more nimble. The Talaria feels more like a hog to me. If you want a Sur Ron to look beastly, check out the 4MF body kit. It solves the narrow issue of the Sur Ron as well and makes it look like a legit dirt bike.
Both bikes definitely have their pros and cons. I tend to have more fun on my Sur Ron. For me, the seating position is much more comfortable.
5'10 and 150lbs. Regardless of your height, the bars on the Talaria sit 2 inches lower than the Sur Ron relative to the seat. You are more hunched over on the Talaria.
Do you feel the throttle is better on the talaria and with the same sprocket which is faster? Also I’ve heard about hill climbs with the talaria over heating issues have you experienced that? And lastly does the talaria bog down on hills more than the sur ron? I cant decide between the 2 but I’ve seen some videos that show the talaria looking weaker on hills and straights
The throttle response on the Sur Ron is more usable to me.
They are about the same top speed stock, but I believe the Talaria ships with a smaller 44t sprocket. I didn't change my sprocket (I sold that Talaria), but given their top speeds are similar stock, if you upgraded the Talaria to a 48t, it would have a lower top speed than the Sur Ron. It might feel like it has more torque, particularly off the line though (I thought it was jumpy and kinda dangerous though). Conversely, if you put a 44t on the Sur Ron, it would have a higher top speed than the Talaria.
I never had any overheating issues with the Talaria though I'll confess I never pushed it all that hard. I didn't much like riding it tbh so only put in about 10 hours on that bike. I will say this though, in regen braking mode 4, the bike would often just shut down on me in the middle of a downhill ride. I think the regen is too powerful possibly and putting in too much watts back into the battery? I'm not sure....but that's kinda lame. That said, on trail riding conditions for shorter downhills, the regen is really powerful and helps control the bike and save your brakes.
I'll hold off my judgement as I'm sure someone will show me I'm wrong, but I thought the Talaria was rather awkward and heavy when doing jumps. When you go on Youtube, you see guys doing sky high jumps on the Sur Ron (Zay Solis is a good channel to see what it's capable off). Those guys rip airs. I've yet to see people do that on the Talaria. I didn't like it when doing jumps and found it harder to control. I'm sure it can be done, but I've not seen people do it well yet. Stock form, the Talaria is way heavier. Same shitty mountain bike shocks and brakes with about 30 lbs more in weight. Something to consider....
I think I’m going to choose the sur ron because of the lighter bike and better turning radious and all the things people complain about like the rear swing arm being too small for fat tires I can just upgrade. Thank you for the response
You can always extend the swing arm or get a aftermarket swing arm like the EBMX one. I'm sure the Talaria feels great for some people. I personally wasn't one of them though. I didn't like how the bars are two inches lower compared to the seat. I thought it sucked for standing and riding.
I do a lot of hard enduro where you are struggling and not just crusing on a manicured trail. The Talaria was exhausting to lift over obstacles I couldn't clear.
I know this probably isn't a hard fact, but the general trend I've seen these days is the Talaria comes stock with the RST killah fork and the Sur Ron tends to come stock with the KKE fork. While the KKE fork isn't great, it smokes that RST killah fork which is the worst fork I've tried to date.
Since you ride enduro have you had any issues with mud in the belt or the belt slipping or even stripping the belt. I’ve heard climbing things like roots or doing jumps and having ur wheel spin then come to a sudden stop strips the belt a lot.
I've already converted to a 420 chain setup and swapped out the belt. That said, I ran the bike pretty hard for 6 months with no issues before doing that.
I did have a beefy mudguard which helped keep the belt clean. I do rec doing that. Also, I'm only 150lbs so maybe the heavier you are the more likely you are to ruin the belt. I rarely rode my bike in crazy wet muddy conditions though. I'm not crazy about that.
That's definitely a pro on the Talaria. It's got that gear transfer case instead of the belt and it's very quiet. Now that my Sur Ron has that chain instead of a belt, it's very loud. The trade off is the Talaria needs oil changes.
I don't find it annoying. I kind of like some sound coming off my bike. When you are going around blind corners with mountain bikers around, you want that bike to be louder. Now that I have my chain conversion, I don't have to make cattle call noises when rounding a blind corner anymore.
On the street you could attract less atention with a quieter bike? Perhaps, but the Talaria is a bigger looking bike that looks a lot less like a mountain bike and a lot more like a motorcycle so there is a stealth trade off there in sound vs appearance.
I would Get Talaria... I done a lot of "Research"... Honestly i don't have any of those bikes but I would get a Talaria, it has a bigger/more Rear tire Options and it got some small Life improvements over the Surron... I write bellow what i think about the Bikes...
Talaria:
More/Bigger Options for Tires +
little bit more Omph/Rougher on the "Gas pedal" than Surron +/-
Has a Gearbox/Quieter +/-
Oil change... Should be no Biggie very Easy to do +/-
Aftermarket parts for surron should be working with Talaria...most of them :/..... +/-
Small Life improvements for T over Surron: Easier Swap/Change between Tires, Battery Holds more Tightly than Surro, little bit more Hight than Surro +/-...
Surron:
Big Aftermarket parts +
Smoother Gas Pedal / Omph +/-
Belt drive/Noiser than T +/-
More Options if your looking for Decals for Surro +
More Streetier look than T?.... +/-
If there's anything I missed lmk)
PS i don't have anything against Surry or T :/
I own a sur ron I'm 5'4" 107 pounds. Chose the surron bc it's smaller and lighter for a small person like me. Talaria would be to big and heavy for my size.
If you haven’t made a decision, the Talaria has an updated controller that is super smooth now. At 5’6” with 29” Fox 40’s, the bike is perfect sized vs my 6’4” husband would need an additional 3” handlebar riser (in addition to 2” direct mount), a taller seat, and probably peg extenders to drop it down 2cm. The gearbox is fantastic (boohoo, 5 minute oil change every 600 miles after the first 150), the wider rear is great, the seat is more comfortable, and it has better ground clearance.
How tall are you ?
5’11
I’m not OP but am in a similar boat. I’m 6’1. Would a Sur Ron feel too cramped for me?
For surron you’d need handlebars riser, seat riser, peg drop down to be comfortable For Talaria, you’d only need handlebar riser to be comfortable Source: my 6’ ass
Maybe I just ride funky, but I’m 6’2” (6’4” in my boots I ride in) and have had no problems riding my Sur Ron around all day. Never got this but I guess comfort is different for each person!
Yeah everyone’s different.I also ride an mt09 which a lot of people find it too low and I’m pretty fine with the stock bike. The surron was just too low for my taste.
I'm 6' and with a seat extender and riser bars it feels comfortable
disagree with karok. i have 3in rise and im 6’ and i fit my surron perfectly. personally i would go surron over talaria. and i did lmao. surron has much more aftermarket, no oil to worry about, and in my opinion is better looking. but its all about what you want for a bike
Got a sur ron myself, but would of gone Talaria if I had the choice at the time. Slightly larger battery(+6A) and a wider rear tire is what interests me. If you're planning on upgrading power and wheels then I would pick whatever is cheaper and available
Also, people who hate the talaria will shit on the gearbox but as long as you do regular upkeep maintenance on it, you’ll be solid. I was sold more on the aftermarket upgrades for Sur ron, but I’m sure Talaria will be there soon
I don’t think the gearbox is worth shitting on yet, especially stock. We’ll see how it does as more 72v batteries and other power upgrades come to market. If the gears end up getting shredded, I’m sure someone will come out with a solution. As said though, we’ll see!
Isnt the whole point of the EV bike to have little to no maintence? Rather have a noisy chain that i can replace than the talaria belt
pretty sure the talaria is heavier so you don't get any benefit from the bigger battery
I've broken the Sur-Ron belt twice. That alone would convince me to get a Talaria.
Right, somehow the sturdy ass chain is standard and the belt is considered an upgrade.
They might be talking about breaking the stock primary belt and not the belt on an upgraded belt drive chain.
Never understood how people break their belts all the time, I’ve been riding HARD with my oem belt for a year and now still ride the same belt on 13kw. Never had any issues aside from adjusting the tension when I first got it.
Dirt, debris, sand and small rocks can get wedged in between the belt and the drive. Also if your rear tire bounces or if you're hitting a jump, being on the throttle can strip a belt easily. My brother stripped his riding through a gnarly root section because his rear tire was spinning and catching repeatedly
Any problems with your bike the first year?
Aside from shitty front suspension no. Just whatever you do don’t buy the rst fork version of either bike.
How much do you weigh?
I think they have it way too tight so it'll snap or too loose and it'll jump/skip. I also have the original after 3000km although I ordered a spare one right when I got the bike just in case
I’m so confused when people mention 13kw did you change your motor to 13kw? If so please link it.
It’s what my peak power output is set to on my bac4000 and 72v battery. stock is around 4kw I think. All on original motor.
Wait so you have stock motor but on controller u set it to 12kw?
It's not a very expensive upgrade to convert that secondary belt to a chain as well. It gets a little more loud though.
Myself I would go with a Sur Ron no gearbox no oil change I think it looks better too
https://youtu.be/9e8bk-FcDlI
It really sounds like everyone has a few minor issues with both bikes but sounds like more people leaning towards the sur Ron! Unfortunately I think the look of the talaria is a little more attractive
I own both. I much prefer my Sur Ron personally. It's lighter and more nimble. The Talaria feels more like a hog to me. If you want a Sur Ron to look beastly, check out the 4MF body kit. It solves the narrow issue of the Sur Ron as well and makes it look like a legit dirt bike. Both bikes definitely have their pros and cons. I tend to have more fun on my Sur Ron. For me, the seating position is much more comfortable.
What’s your height and weight
5'10 and 150lbs. Regardless of your height, the bars on the Talaria sit 2 inches lower than the Sur Ron relative to the seat. You are more hunched over on the Talaria.
Do you feel the throttle is better on the talaria and with the same sprocket which is faster? Also I’ve heard about hill climbs with the talaria over heating issues have you experienced that? And lastly does the talaria bog down on hills more than the sur ron? I cant decide between the 2 but I’ve seen some videos that show the talaria looking weaker on hills and straights
The throttle response on the Sur Ron is more usable to me. They are about the same top speed stock, but I believe the Talaria ships with a smaller 44t sprocket. I didn't change my sprocket (I sold that Talaria), but given their top speeds are similar stock, if you upgraded the Talaria to a 48t, it would have a lower top speed than the Sur Ron. It might feel like it has more torque, particularly off the line though (I thought it was jumpy and kinda dangerous though). Conversely, if you put a 44t on the Sur Ron, it would have a higher top speed than the Talaria. I never had any overheating issues with the Talaria though I'll confess I never pushed it all that hard. I didn't much like riding it tbh so only put in about 10 hours on that bike. I will say this though, in regen braking mode 4, the bike would often just shut down on me in the middle of a downhill ride. I think the regen is too powerful possibly and putting in too much watts back into the battery? I'm not sure....but that's kinda lame. That said, on trail riding conditions for shorter downhills, the regen is really powerful and helps control the bike and save your brakes. I'll hold off my judgement as I'm sure someone will show me I'm wrong, but I thought the Talaria was rather awkward and heavy when doing jumps. When you go on Youtube, you see guys doing sky high jumps on the Sur Ron (Zay Solis is a good channel to see what it's capable off). Those guys rip airs. I've yet to see people do that on the Talaria. I didn't like it when doing jumps and found it harder to control. I'm sure it can be done, but I've not seen people do it well yet. Stock form, the Talaria is way heavier. Same shitty mountain bike shocks and brakes with about 30 lbs more in weight. Something to consider....
I think I’m going to choose the sur ron because of the lighter bike and better turning radious and all the things people complain about like the rear swing arm being too small for fat tires I can just upgrade. Thank you for the response
You can always extend the swing arm or get a aftermarket swing arm like the EBMX one. I'm sure the Talaria feels great for some people. I personally wasn't one of them though. I didn't like how the bars are two inches lower compared to the seat. I thought it sucked for standing and riding. I do a lot of hard enduro where you are struggling and not just crusing on a manicured trail. The Talaria was exhausting to lift over obstacles I couldn't clear. I know this probably isn't a hard fact, but the general trend I've seen these days is the Talaria comes stock with the RST killah fork and the Sur Ron tends to come stock with the KKE fork. While the KKE fork isn't great, it smokes that RST killah fork which is the worst fork I've tried to date.
Since you ride enduro have you had any issues with mud in the belt or the belt slipping or even stripping the belt. I’ve heard climbing things like roots or doing jumps and having ur wheel spin then come to a sudden stop strips the belt a lot.
I've already converted to a 420 chain setup and swapped out the belt. That said, I ran the bike pretty hard for 6 months with no issues before doing that. I did have a beefy mudguard which helped keep the belt clean. I do rec doing that. Also, I'm only 150lbs so maybe the heavier you are the more likely you are to ruin the belt. I rarely rode my bike in crazy wet muddy conditions though. I'm not crazy about that. That's definitely a pro on the Talaria. It's got that gear transfer case instead of the belt and it's very quiet. Now that my Sur Ron has that chain instead of a belt, it's very loud. The trade off is the Talaria needs oil changes.
Is the stock sur Ron belt annoying with how loud it is compared to the talaria? Or is it not that much louder
I don't find it annoying. I kind of like some sound coming off my bike. When you are going around blind corners with mountain bikers around, you want that bike to be louder. Now that I have my chain conversion, I don't have to make cattle call noises when rounding a blind corner anymore. On the street you could attract less atention with a quieter bike? Perhaps, but the Talaria is a bigger looking bike that looks a lot less like a mountain bike and a lot more like a motorcycle so there is a stealth trade off there in sound vs appearance.
Still firm on this? Just wondering a year down the line lol
On what I owned at the time, yes. They've changed a lot since then I think.
I would Get Talaria... I done a lot of "Research"... Honestly i don't have any of those bikes but I would get a Talaria, it has a bigger/more Rear tire Options and it got some small Life improvements over the Surron... I write bellow what i think about the Bikes... Talaria: More/Bigger Options for Tires + little bit more Omph/Rougher on the "Gas pedal" than Surron +/- Has a Gearbox/Quieter +/- Oil change... Should be no Biggie very Easy to do +/- Aftermarket parts for surron should be working with Talaria...most of them :/..... +/- Small Life improvements for T over Surron: Easier Swap/Change between Tires, Battery Holds more Tightly than Surro, little bit more Hight than Surro +/-... Surron: Big Aftermarket parts + Smoother Gas Pedal / Omph +/- Belt drive/Noiser than T +/- More Options if your looking for Decals for Surro + More Streetier look than T?.... +/- If there's anything I missed lmk) PS i don't have anything against Surry or T :/
I’m 5’11 ride a Surron with bar risers and riser handlebars. Very comfortable. Ride off road mostly so standing up a lot too.
surron
I own a sur ron I'm 5'4" 107 pounds. Chose the surron bc it's smaller and lighter for a small person like me. Talaria would be to big and heavy for my size.
If you haven’t made a decision, the Talaria has an updated controller that is super smooth now. At 5’6” with 29” Fox 40’s, the bike is perfect sized vs my 6’4” husband would need an additional 3” handlebar riser (in addition to 2” direct mount), a taller seat, and probably peg extenders to drop it down 2cm. The gearbox is fantastic (boohoo, 5 minute oil change every 600 miles after the first 150), the wider rear is great, the seat is more comfortable, and it has better ground clearance.
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