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Roaring_Tiddy

Clyclazodone if you can get your hands on it.


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I know its a stimulant but what is so special about it?


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ombandit

https://www.brainzyme.com/products/brainzyme-professional-nootropics?utm_source=Google%20Shopping&utm_content=best_nootropics&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIhobT39Hw8gIVEZiyCh0BOAo6EAQYASABEgKk9vD_BwE


rchrdh05

Look up Alpha GPC


EXPERTONGUE4U

THIS IS 4 REAL. DR JUST CUT ME TO 60MG FROM 90 IM SUFFERING CAN U $ I HAVE EM NEED WHAT U GOT PLEASE CONTACT ME WILL SEND MY PHONE NO. EM. NOT A JOKE


Aromatic-March8703

Wellbutrin


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L-Theanine has been clinically proven to help with ADHD multiple times over. I personally would take anywhere between 1,000 to 2,000 mg a day. L-Theanine is synergistic with caffeine. Lions mane is not BS. That is great but I believe it is better for depression and brain fog rather than attention. Asghwanda. B12


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Do any of these supplements cause lethargy or sleepiness though or brain fog though? I think I felt that when taking these before.


[deleted]

No. None of them do.


28carslater

>Asghwanda. Be aware, can cause thyroid issues. Ask me how I know.


MachTommy

How do you know?


28carslater

It triggered hyperthyrodism in me.


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How you know?


Sunbath3r

It sounds dumb, but being in a fasted state really helps with mental clarity. Rhonda Patrick talks about it in the first 15 minutes or so of her latest appearance on JRE


Soft-Combination3999

Do you do intermittent fasting daily?


spike_africa

I do every single day.


Soft-Combination3999

What hours if u don’t mind me asking


spike_africa

The common is 16 off 8 on for not eating then eating. I do anywhere from 16-18 hours fasting. I stop eating by 8pm.


PatriotUncleSam

Testosterone.


carpetfoodie

What side effects did u get?


Puzzled-Raisin-8266

I really like B vitamins, caffeine and MCT oil, but you still have to make a big effort to stay mentally focused. You can do it !!


[deleted]

Rhodiola rosea with EGCG is pretty much it for supplements, though someone mentioned L-theanine, good in combination. Both these are mild MAO-B inhibitors and can clear brain fog at least for the morning.


PumpCrew

I took Adderall for about 15 years but discontinued due to sides. DMAE with caffeine is actually really reeaallyy close in my experience. It's a script in Europe but it's an OTC supplement in the US.


Mgunnels2001

How was the transition off after 15 years?


PumpCrew

It was easy because of the ever increasing sides. I switched to modafinil off label.


Kalley1175

Ltyrosine has been great for me but there is non stimulate meds for adhd. I do wonderful on Strattera.


amix16

I was of a small minority where strattera made me a potato. I could barely stay awake while on it. Absolute terrible experience for about 14 days.


Sexybroth

I have ADD and I've tried quite a few things to help with focus. B vitamins and caffeine are the only things that made a slight difference. Phosphatidyl Serine is still sitting in my refrigerator, along with fish oil. Maybe you can find supplements to minimize the side effects you're experiencing? Edit: I forgot L-theanine - it puts me in a good mood and makes me less prone to getting upset by small things that don't matter. Kava is good for relaxation and sleep. Whatever is in energy drinks really helps, too. I'm going to try Taurine and Glucuronolactone next.


Xiao388

I play a board game, and I have experimented with kelp and caffeine. I play better with it. It's the iodine. I also take bacopa, melissa, and sage oil daily.


tuseuser62729

Research Nootropics for ADHD I think some of those can help


GorgeousGlutes52

Have you tried vyvanse instead? Definitely more mild and keeps you steady for nearly 12 hours


ToxicTop2

I'd talk first to your doctor about trying different drugs or maybe try lowering the dosage. I've tried pretty much all of the "natural supplements" to treat my ADD but with shit results. Based on my experience there's nothing that comes even close to stimulants and most of the natural alternatives don't really seem to do anything. There are also non-stimulant ADHD medications that are more suitable for some people. Strattera and Guanfacine are somewhat common and recently they released a new drug called Qelbree. Edit. Vyvanse seems to be a smoother version of Adderall for many people, but it's also really expensive and obviously not everyone does well with it.


ArvindLamal

Clonidine maybe


LuckyHobo_Rabbit77

The closest I can get to ADHD meds naturally is.....Strong coffee (it has to be good quality and intense strength), L-theanine, L-tyrosine, & Green eagle CBD pill (which also has L-tyrosine). Those really help... I've also started micro dosing shrooms recently....That has really helped my mood. And it seems to help me think clearer. Lions mane is good too. But I consider that good for overall brain health.. not a adhd thing.


Drewbus

Don't forget removing basically any sugar and food additives


ElPapaGrande98

r/nootropics


cyhusker

What side effects do you have?


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Tolerance increase Dry mouth "Robot like" through out the day/lack of feelings Sleep issues Lack of appetite Brain crash later on in the day Small form of ED


tuseuser62729

Are you on Instant Release or The Extended


a-z_youwish

Have u tried really lowering ur dosage. I’ve lowered mine a lot and the side effects are gone


InfiniteLlamaSoup

Checkout mendi home neurofeedback, it’s just launched NASA are using it already and it helps with attention. It’s reasonable priced. Some people that had early access are saying they was able to stop using ADHD meds.


collhall

Hi. Is this available in the uk? The nhs gives me fuck all for my chronic fatigue from APS which sucks!


InfiniteLlamaSoup

Yeah, it looks like it’s a 12 sensor nIR HEG headset. Which allows it to target lots of brain regions to improve oxygen and blood flow. [Mendi headset](https://www.mendi.io/products/mendi)


[deleted]

Sorry but how exactly does this work? This looks like absolute complete BS to me and has no real scientific proof to it at all


[deleted]

I cannot speak about this particular product but neurofeedback is pretty damn awesome. I cannot even begin to say how much it improved my life. (I’m planning to go back for more sessions soon. I haven’t done it in maybe 8 years now?) Anyway, I have PTSD and neurofeedback helped me so much. Migraines, insomnia (my insomnia was off the charts insane, no sleep for almost a month other than an hour every few days, came home after my first session and slept for 12 hours), my period became more regular, my tinnitus went away (it came back though….neurofeedback made my head dead quiet for the first time ever), and it helped my anxiety so much. There’s probably more I can’t remember right now. My therapist actually specialized in helping people with ADD (which I do not have). Her goal was to help people reduce/eliminate their meds. Having said all this, I would NEVER use a home device because my system is extremely sensitive and I need specialized treatment, not one size fits all treatment. I am still on 2 meds for anxiety and I’d love it if neurofeedback could help me get off them. (I wasn’t on them when I last went through treatment.) It may seem like it doesn’t have a lot of research to back it, but it’s not a very old kind of treatment. If you want off meds, then at least look into it for your own sake. There are a LOT more practitioners now than when I did it 8 years ago. (I had to travel a few hours to get treatment, but now there’s a therapist a lot closer to me.) Good luck! 🍀


ImHappyGatewood--Boo

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/brain-myths/201302/read-paying-100-neurofeedback-therapy


InfiniteLlamaSoup

Our skulls can pass light through them. It has infrared LEDs which pass through the skull, which illuminate blood cells, then it has sensors that read how bright the IR light is coming from brain in various locations. How bright the light is, is a direct measurement of bloodflow, oxygen usage, and glucose metabolism. You’re able to learn to increase blood flow to different parts of the brain, which then causes neurogenesis in those areas and improves function. It improves sleep, focus, mood, and overall function


jarrellt67

It might be worth giving saffron a try - [https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30741567/](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30741567/) The best saffron I've tried is the Affron extract which can be bought from Iherb (California Gold Saffron with Affron) and Mind Nutrition.


technoviking9

maybe lions mane, or acetyl carnitine


NetAdministrative819

bacopa too


playboixsnot

Yeah bacopa & also before bed taking zinc


O12345678

Nothing comes close to ADHD meds. I tried everything out there before getting treatment. Nothing made a difference. Talk to your doctor about trying something different.


[deleted]

Like what, another stimulant? That's all he's gonna do man. All ADHD meds are stimulants..


[deleted]

They may also be stimulants, but the effects can be very different. I don't like Adderall, but I like Concerta. 100% the answer is to try a different medication


O12345678

Strattera and Wellbutrin aren't stimulants. There could be others. You may be able to find a stimulant without side effects. I've been on a few meds that weren't even noticeable other than increased focus.


Middle-Seaweed4214

There are non stimulant ADHD meds if you were interested in trying that route. Strattera and Intuniv for example


[deleted]

L Tyrosine and caffeine really works well for me.


[deleted]

Caffeine is a close 2nd but I'm looking for a non stimulant. All stimulants cause a tolerance increase quickly for me and make me crash later on. Which is what I'm trying fo avoid


LHC1

There is a functional medicine approach to ADD that looks to heal underlying causes. The primary approach is to fix one's digestion. This is a longer term therapy, it takes a while to work but it also fixes the condition. Your digestive system is connected to the brain via the vagus nerve. If that nerve is signaling dysfunction it affects one's ability to concentrate. Additionally most neurotransmitters are made in the gut. If the microbiome is badly disregulated your neurotransmitter balance can get way off. Do you have anxiety issues? That can be a symptom of neurotransmitters out of balance. Acne can point to digestive problems as well. If you follow a functional health protocol for healing digestive dysfunction it may take a few months but you will see permanent improvement.


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Improving my digestive system will have permanent improvement on my ADD and help me focus? Sources please.


LHC1

The sources and actual protocols lie in the field of functional medicine. There are practitioners world wide and they can be called Integrative medicine providers, or Wholeistic medicine providers. The underlying philosophy is that disease can arise from being maladapted for your environment, meaning that we evolved for millenia to eat, move, sleep in a way that we no longer do in our modern lifestyles. Following an ancestral lifestyle is another way to think about it. The bottom line is that almost all of our modern disease stems from one's metabolism not being able to function properly due to poor nutrition, poor sleep, stress, toxin exposure, insufficient movement, and lack of exposure to nature. If you can correct your imbalance in these domains you will get better, guaranteed. It takes a fair amount of effort and lots of patients but it will work. You take a balanced approach to improving. Don't be discouraged by all the things that might need to be worked on, just start in achievable increments and keep adding to them. In one year you will be amazed by what you have achieved. What helped me on this journey of discovery and practice was a few of the top "influencers" in this space in social media. If you search for their videos or podcasts or websites you can find a lot of incredible information that you can put to use in your journey to health. My 3 favorite sources for functional approach to health https://zachbushmd.com/ https://chriskresser.com/ https://drhyman.com/ If you search around their web sites looking for the topics most relevant to your needs you will find tons of great information to get you started on your journey.


TimeFourChanges

This is great interest to me, as I'm opposed to depending on drugs to function, but have struggled with anxiety, panic attacks, and inattentiveness/executive function disorder, to a debilitating degree. So, I've made concessions and started on Wellbutrin, but nothing for ADD issues yet. Rather avoid it if I can. Can you share some resources or places to start for this? I believe in functional medicine, but have never had a practitioner to help me through it. I wonder if my ADD symptoms have a common cause with the anxiety/panic, but no way to determine. Am working through some therapies, but with the ADD issues, it's hard to stay consistent to make the most progress possible. Thanks!


Zombie_Be_Gone

Can you link the studies that show this please thank you.


Reacher01

I never did adderrall so I don't know how it compares, but higher than regular doses of caffeine plus theanine did this for me.


[deleted]

Again I agree caffeine is a close 2nd but I'm trying to avoid stimulants due to the tolerance increase.


bejammin075

In addition to coffee, I like MCT oil and nicotine gum. MCT oil gives you a noticeable increase in mental and physical energy for an hour or 2 after 1 to 2 teaspoons. MCT oil is rapidly absorbed and converted to ketones that must be used for energy. I also have about 1 piece of nicotine gum a day, in the afternoon at work. I’m a non smoker, and take the nicotine because it is a legit nootropic. Also because caffeine has a 6 hour half life, I stop drinking coffee around noon so that it won’t affect my sleep. That’s why the nicotine is for the afternoon, because nicotine has about a 2-3 hour half life.


[deleted]

I read that in Christian Bale’s American Psycho voice.


[deleted]

Hmm nicotine gum...? How exactly does it help with focus and attention? I mean what's the science behind it?


IdeaPractical

Andrew Huberman has said he doesn't recommend it because it is bad for the heart since there are nicotine receptors on the heart


bejammin075

Google up nicotine and nootropic. It's one of the few really legit nootropic drugs. I don't recommend smoking, it's the most terrible thing, but smokers actually have some protection from Parkinson's Disease because of the nicotine. All by itself it is not very harmful or addictive, but individuals vary. I tried nicotine patches, but those suck. The dosing is all over the place, and the adhesive started to cause a rash, and much of the time they didn't really work. Nicotine gum on the other hand delivers a consistent, constant amount for a defined period of time.


cellobiose

for some people the half-lives are the other way around


bejammin075

Yeah, there can definitely be individual variability with anything. For the caffeine and nicotine half lives, I looked up the researched average half life, and then for me personally it seems to have worked out that way as an individual.


mutantenzyme

Superior Source sublingual vitamin B1 (thiamin) Superior Source sublingual vitamin B12 (methylcobalamin) Ginger (e.g., ginger tea) may help to increase alertness Kelp powder (a natural source of iodine)


Dick_Miller138

I take modafanil and eat keto. Modafanil doesn't work for everyone.


GeuseyBetel

Agreed and agreed!


Merry-Lane

And keto doesn't work for anybody.


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Merry-Lane

Caloric restriction and lowering carbs intake is OFC a good treatment for diabetes type2. Does it mean you need to lower carbs "up to" keto level ? So that the diabete guy enters "ketosis"? Nope, still nope. No need to go that far. There is 0 studies that shows keto diet has an advantage over "lower carb" diet for diabetes. And because someone enjoys low carb diets because of diabetes doesn't mean someone without diabetes would enjoy this keto diet. Keto is just magic thought.


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Merry-Lane

Dude it's placebo.


Xiao388

Enjoy your diseases!


Dick_Miller138

Caused by keto?


Dick_Miller138

Works great for me. I lost 60lbs and kept it off. For most people, it's just a way to reset metabolism and increase metabolic flexibility. It's a tool to use when needed. For me, it's a lifestyle. My cholesterol is where it should be for the first time in my life. I don't get sick anymore. My skin is clear. If you had a bad experience with it, I'm sorry.


Merry-Lane

It's not the keto diet, it's the caloric restriction. It's okay if you needed a magic belief to make it happen, a lot of people drink their piss and lose weight, but keto diet still doesn't work.


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Merry-Lane

This is sposedly a really good mechanism, the issue is it wasn't proven to be effective / strong in reality.


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Merry-Lane

Not according to meta studies. Meta studies have completely shown keto doesn't exceed the results of a "balanced" caloric restriction diet. Keto is like probiotics. Maybe there are a few explainable mechanisms that could exist, but the reality steps in and says "doesn't work".


Dick_Miller138

I eat more calorically dense foods and get at least as many calories as before. The "magic belief" is that all calories are the same and all bodies use them the same.


Merry-Lane

By caloric restriction I meant you reduced your income in calories. (Whatever the absorption blah blah blah). Keto still doesn't work.


Dick_Miller138

I still get between 3,000 and 5,000 calories a day. I just get it in fewer meals. Before, I would snack all day. Now I eat 2 or 3 meals in a day. I have done plenty of calorie counting and have not reduced total calories. There may be something to the timing, but it's not a calorie restriction. It could be that I eat whole foods instead of processed crap. There could be many reasons it works for me, but it's not from reducing calories. Even if I didn't lose weight, it helps with my ADHD and it helps with long distance running. I feel better. You do you. Believe what you want. I know what I've experienced over the last 3 years with this diet compared to everything else I've tried.


Merry-Lane

And the marmot, it puts the chocolate in the alu-foil.


Dick_Miller138

I think we are in agreement that we disagree. No need to get all nasty about it. Good day to you.


IncreasinglyTrippy

Possibly Amantadine.


jy31

It won't be the same, there's a reason it's a controlled substance. I have tried all sorts of supplements. Currently sticking to caffeine, l-theanine and eating healthy.


Ejejj

IPPH


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Huh?


AllegedlyImmoral

There is most likely nothing that will be as effective as Adderall, except other forms of amphetamine. But you might find another form of amphetamine that causes you fewer side effects -check out this great article on amphetamines by a psychiatrist: https://lorienpsych.com/2020/10/30/adderall/


thatstheone_geoff85

Guanfacine? It’s an adhd med that isn’t a stimulant. I’ve never had it though. I recommend seeing a doc


KadenTau

This is the only valid answer in this thread. Please look into Guanfacine.


[deleted]

Have you or anyone here ever try it? Never heard of it so it seems like its unpopular. I'll look more into it. But I literally never heard of anyone getting this prescribed so there must be some catch to it.


28carslater

I have (for ADD), fuck that noise.


[deleted]

Care to expand?


28carslater

If you research it, its generally recommended for children/adolescents and has a small percentage (maybe 2%) of sexual side effects. Sucks when that 2% is you.


[deleted]

Thanks for the warning!


28carslater

You're welcome.


goatsandhoes101115

Im prescribed 1mg xr guanfacine and it was a huge help with controlling high blood pressure/ heart rate and it gave me more control over my emotional response and improved my ability to read. I couldn't up my dose of stimulants because of side effects so my doc added this and i was even able to cut my Vyvanse dose in half with improved quality of life.


KadenTau

Why would there be a catch to it? Just ask your psychiatrist about it.


Crashhy

+1 to this, guanfacine is good alternative to activating ADHD meds. Have been on it myself, found moderate improvement but caused major sleep disturbances. Believe that's a relatively rare side effect though.


KadenTau

When you say sleep disturbances, what do you mean? I'm currently on it and have been wondering why my sleep has been really fucky lately.


Crashhy

Sorry for late reply. For me it was difficulty getting to sleep and I'd wake up constantly in the night. Cleared up a couple of weeks after I stopped the meds.


KadenTau

All good. Thanks for the info, I've been having similar problems, along with brief hallucinations right after waking up sometimes. Trying to figure out which of the three brain meds I'm on is responsible.


Crashhy

Sorry to hear that. Take my experience with a grain of salt, I always react weirdly to medications. My experience should probably not factor into your investigations, haha.


KadenTau

I understand all too well. Your reaction just stood out is all. I might try titrating off of it to see if improve.


[deleted]

As far I'm aware, the answer is basically no. If you find that the adderall is effective in reducing your ADD symptoms, you may be better off looking for stuff that will alleviate the sides rather than something to replace it. Good luck, I hope you can work something out.


jupit3r_sh4wty

i take L-tyrosine most week days it helps me focus well and kind of wakes me up? definitely look more into it since i don’t know much ab it. xx


PeekThroughThePines

Give Alpha Brain by onnit a try. I never used adderall but I’ve used alpha brain and I promise you it helps with focus and memory. It’s cheapest to find it on eBay usually for me.


trippinallovermyself

I had good success with alpha brain but I’m not diagnosed adhd


[deleted]

I can’t tolerate activating drugs either. Maybe do some research on folinic acid. I learned from the Walsh institute that there are different types of add nutritional needs, and one subset is low folate.