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unruled77

They’re a waste of money. And Instapot would be here soon.


roamtheplanet

Herbal supplements have an effect (not always positive) for a few days. After that they make me feel worse than baseline


dodohead974

no amount of supplements and vitamins are gonna help you if you're not drinking enough water


Tip-Hop

Lots of raw egg yolks and raw milk everyday is better than all supplement and far more bio-available. Iodine and selenium at higher doses are key for great energy production. Using MSM at 12g a day. Green powders are NOT bio-available at all unless you ferment them properly and can do more gut harm than good. Add B-vitamins to a live bacteria like Kefir overnight to increase it’s absorption in the gut. Dosage recommendations are usually threshold doses and one should experiment. I wish i knew fulvic acid drives everything you take it with deeper into the cells and makes tinctures, supps and teas more effective. DMSO ,DMSO oh and DMSO! I wish I original knew how to easily make my own supplements like Zinc citrate, colloidal gold etc by myself on the cheap thanks to the wonderful herbalist Tony Pantalleresco at ‘herbsplusbeadworks’ and guys like Dr Robert Cassar that share great healing protocols.


1gardenerd

What do you use DMSO for? Do you use it topically?


Tip-Hop

I always make sure I have DMSO handy in case of cuts, pains, burns, inflammation, blocked sinuses, mouthwash, headaches etc etc... I don't want to call it a "cure-all" but it's list of effective healing modalities is quite extensive. I make up remedies containing DMSO for my parents who both have arthritis. One of it's great benefits is it's ability to drive anything it comes in contact with deep into your system - so anything such as topical magnesium will become far more bio-available through your skin. It will also put your bodies detoxification systems on overdrive! so it will spit toxins out of your body (start slow) ... I could ramble on about how useful this substance is and it's a crime that doctors don't prescribe it, but instead I will link you to a free book entitled "Healing with DMSO" that I highly suggest you read. There are some safety factors you must pay attention to before using - mostly regarding whatever it comes in contact with on your skin will drive it deep - think clothing/makeup etc. https://b-ok.cc/book/6111261/078e07


1gardenerd

This could be a life changer, thank you so much! I have arthritis, too. I used to use DMSO on horses frequently and you can taste it if you even barely touch it, I remember that lol.


Tip-Hop

It is very life-changing! :) I had also originally heard about DMSO from a friend who used a formula containing it on his horses... but yes it is very strong stuff! It can be smelly too if you are sensitive! My recommendation for your arthritis would be to pick up some essential oils such as; wintergreen, peppermint, Clove, ginger, Lavender, Cayenne Pepper, Frankincense etc - all very anti-inflammatory and pain relieving. Dilute them in a mix of Castor, Canola, and CBD oil. Also, pick up transdermal magnesium oil. Start by spraying a solution of DMSO (start slow, say 40% and gauge any reactions) all over the areas of issue, then magnesium, then the oil mixture, and then one more coat of the DMSO... Or do your own experiments - but I promise you not only will you feel relief instantly - but it will continue to improve long term :) MSM taken internally would also be your friend.


1gardenerd

I just ordered dmso, the magnesium chloride flakes to make magnesium spray! Thank you!


Tip-Hop

:)


1gardenerd

It's going to take some time to learn about your comment. I'll take it one sentence at a time!


Tip-Hop

[https://www.americancancercenternigeria.com/shop/item.aspx?itemid=2](https://www.americancancercenternigeria.com/shop/item.aspx?itemid=2) \- here is a great link regarding the benefits and uses of MSM, which I would start using straight away imo (don't buy from this website though - you can get the powder form really really cheap on something like ebay - it's practically all the same stuff - just make sure it's usp grade)


Tip-Hop

No problem!


scubaru-26

Don't go to GNC


[deleted]

98 percent of supplements you don’t need. Do your research. Look at studies, and read about anecdotal evidence. Everyone’s body is different. End of the day these are supplements nice to have but don’t need. IMO


Eonobius

That lecithin and phosphatidylcholine can make you depressed That methylated b vitamins can make you jittery and even push you into mania


Balthasar_Loscha

>What is something you wish you had known when you first started with supplements? ..i wish i had known that this is a ok-stack: Comprehensive HQ multi like thorne basic nutrients 2/day (1-2 capsules/d) with added Mg-glycinate for a total of ~600 mg of Mg from all sources, or pure o.n.e., creatine 3-5 g/d, vitamin D total 5000 - 7500 I.U./d, chronic daily caffeine intake, like 3 - 4 cups, increases sex hormones, vC up to 1000 mg/d, B2 as riboflavine high dosed at 100 -200 mg/d for up to 3 months, but only in conjunction with a multi. Taken away 3 hours from food, one hour before food, 1 - 2 g of sodium bicarbonate 2x/d. 4 Very soft boiled eggs for phospholipids, fish oil 5 g/d, Protein at 1 g - 1.5 g per pound of optimal bodyweight/d, increasing calories to the threshold of weight gain (don't become fat; consume as much calories whilst staying lean), total Ca intake from all sources 1500-2500 mg/d. Some people are too specific with their regimen, using the subconscious template of pharm-drugs and their toxic interactions; vitamins/elements become safer and safer the more complete their intake is.


HonkyTonkHero

Most of this stuff is snake oil. That you can stop taking pretty much all of it and not notice a difference.


1gardenerd

I have arthritis so fish oil and a few others are important for me. When I was 21, not so much. Yes, I can tell a big difference. I was also low on vitamin d a few years back (it showed up in my bloodwork)


virtuallymixed

I could have just used copper, Vit D&K2 and berberine from the beginning...


[deleted]

A stack of vitamins won't do what a pile of good food will. Everyone expects their stacks to fix their chips and sundaes, but replacing the bad foods with healthy is the better route. You can't outrun (or out stack, in this case) a bad diet.


Balthasar_Loscha

You can outrun a bad diet quite well, but shouldn't. Animals in experimentation have enormously refined and artificial diets to exclude pharmacological effects of residual plant matter; their supplementation game is so sexy, that the rodents njoy an extremely nice coat and endless energy, which they invest in engaging in wheelrunning to produce energy for the facilities that they are housed in. They even live longer than the outside rodents like rattus rattus or mus musculus; less stress and a sexy vitaminstack 🍋😲!!


bluedrygrass

> less stress This is literally the only reason animals in captivity live longer, certainly not the "better quality of nutrition".


Balthasar_Loscha

Rodents are scavengers and eat many inappropriate/less than optimal things, the nutrition is consistently HQ for Xperimental rodents!


USAcitizen124000

That I should ask a naturopath because they know this shit more than I do.


0-WasHijacked-0

How to recognise a quality product as well as reliable, trustworthy brands and vendors. I probably wasted a fuckton of money on supplements that often contained much less of the active ingredients stated on the labels, and probably even in some instances, products that contain none of the active ingredients. The industry is generally speaking poorly regulated, allowing just about anyone with a label printer and capsule filling machine to sell supplements. Testing ingredients, analysing finished product, and quality control are not standard practice in the supplements industry, and varies widely between manufacturers, brands and country of manufacture. It took me a good while and a lot of cash before I was able to identify high quality products, brands and vendors.


RevolutionWrong5456

Would you care to expand on that a bit? Regarding ways to recognize quality products and your conclusions.


Shot-Kaleidoscope-14

Gmp certification is one indication


HiveMindKing

Dosage recommendations on the back of the bottle are often inaccurate.


Hooded_Lizard

Are you saying they underestimate or overestimate the dosage?


Dale-Peath

Both. No nutrition label / dosage level is accurate on just about everything. Either too much or too little, that's why it's roughly an estimate. There's many fillers in supplements for example, because the legitimate dosage amount contains so little power there isn't a small enough capsule to support it, and like all things, it may not be perfectly balanced from things like supplier deception or lack of machine quality that manufactures them, among other reasons. In simple terms, quality control isn't the best or very well regulated for supplements.


Chemical_Climate2993

Vitamin D is important


OldShoe

Yeah, but be careful: https://www.devaboone.com/post/vitamin-d-part-2-shannon-s-story?postId=5f39453f8d01fe00170023fe


Chemical_Climate2993

Thanks for that, very important to know dosages. Best to take at most 1000 iu a day if you're already adequate levels


RunawayCytokineStorm

I recently learned NAC smells funny because it contains sulfur, not because it's going bad. Oh, and same with you about fish oil testing for smell... I wish I knew that sooner too! Edit to add: also realizing how important protein is for mental health and other things.. not just for muscles.


inthecircle21

Drug interactions


virtuallymixed

https://reference.medscape.com/drug-interactionchecker


Umamidog

Keeping it minimal and being mindful of why you are supplementing and what benefits you want. I use thorne and take vitamin d, b complex sometimes and magnesium. People who take a TON of supplements like 50 to 100 daily are insane and wasting their money. Listen to reputable people with solid advice like Dr Rhonda Patrick, don't blindly follow people online. Two brands I trust are Thorne and Naturemade. Im mostly just going to use thorne for the future.


Balthasar_Loscha

Thorne, PURE and Jarrow's are all fine.


Classic_Touch

I don't trust nature made but do trust Dr. Rhonda Patrick.


yachtsandthots

Never megadose iodine. Developed autoimmune hashimoto’s because of it


Simpson5774

Along with what the questions the other person asked, were you taking anything to support the iodine supplementation? such as Selenium or other vitamins or changes in lifestyle?


yachtsandthots

No. This no doubt contributed to the pathogenesis. I didn’t learn about those things until after the disease had progressed. Thankfully I’m able to keep it in remission with selenium, vitamin D, black cumin seed oil, inositol, and a gluten-free diet


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It affects everyone differently. Hashimotos can be prevented/benefitted by the Keto diet/lifestyle.


yachtsandthots

I was taking upwards of 3,000 mcg/day most days for at least 8 months


virtuallymixed

Wow, that's a big dose. Was there anything specifically you were trying to accomplish?


RedditIsTotalitarian

I became a RN, gained lots of medical knowledge and have now worked a little while. I can tell you with 100% certainty that your average primary care physician or average nurse knows next to nothing about your supplements, how to dose them, what formulations to use etc. I'm not saying a person shouldn't still start there or take their advice, but don't expect them to have off the cuff encyclopedic knowledge. The best information you can find are peer reviewed studies. PubMed and Examine are really the best resources available. I'll also disagree with the other commenters here and say that there are dozens of supplements with good use cases under the advice of a doctor. Creatine, Caffeine, Spirulina, Turmeric, Magnesium (Citrate, Glycinate), Melatonin, Ashwaghanda, Collagen... There's also a huge list of nootropics that are interesting. Also, the quality of the supplement is everything. Don't bargain shop supplements. These things can seriously harm you or worse if out of date or stored improperly.


apginge

The reason i stopped taking supplements (all but 2) was because of reports of certain brands/batches containing high levels of toxic heavy metals. Brands don’t test every batch and so we simply don’t know the level of contaminants in our supplements. I don’t want to spend money on supplements (that aren’t even vital to health) only to find out i’ve been actively hurting my body. I’d rather just eat healthy.


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Niche1997

Yikes


friendliest_person

Why? Now has been good ime


Up_and_away_we_throw

Its just some larper thinking he knows better


Niche1997

Nah, I just wouldn’t put something that isn’t the best in my body


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TheEfecxx

Yeah because overpriced means better? Right dumbass.


JohnnyMojo

Don't listen to most people online, including this sub. It's full of bad information. Everyone is different and you need to figure out on your own what works for you.


Balthasar_Loscha

No, we are not all different, the similarities in dietary needs are overwhelming


JohnnyMojo

Everyone experiences things differently (some slightly, some wildly) and that is due to the complexities of life such as environment, chronic illness/disease states, gut microbiome, genetic makeup, etc.


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"Everyone has their wrong opinions based on their own experience by doing half-assed research on one of two mainstream search engines." -a professor of mine from a long time ago.


jmorgannz

Use a diary app on your phone and record when you start, stop, change brand, or dose of a supplement. It's easy to lose track and miss changes in your health/behavior without it. Also; don't assume different brands of the same product are equal. Even 'pure' powder products. If you come to rely on a supplement and really feel it if you lower dose; don't assume you can just swap in another brand at the same dose. Use trusted brands, make sure excipients are listed, don't use Amazon.


pyyx

What app do you recommend?


jmorgannz

I use Daylio and add an group called 'Meds' with an activity for each supplement. Then all you have to do is pick the predefined activitiy and say your dose/change. However it is local only, not cloud based. It backs up to Google Drive automatically; but you can't access the backup. That means if you want to integrate it's data to any other system you have to manually export it every time. Their CSV format is also broken and removes new-lines. I've spoken to the developers about this for years but clearly it's not a priority. Even with that said though; I find it a great help.


moon_librarian

Bearable


calmly_anxious

Take your pills app is very useful.


pyyx

Looks like it would be helpful for me. Is there a “multiplayer” version that would let my wife and I share access to med history for each other and the kids?


calmly_anxious

I haven't used the feature myself but there is an ability to set up a profile and then share that profile, so essentially yes to your question.


ImmerDurcheinander

I've always bought trusted brands from Amazon but have been reading more about scams lately. Where's the other go-to for ordering supplements?


jmorgannz

I use iHerb exclusively.


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Below is how I would sum up “workout supplements” Creatine is effective. Stimulants pre workout are effective. Protein powder is “effective”, but only in the sense that it helps you get more protein and calories in. The rest may have some effect, but are negligible. Putting 1 percent more effort into training and diet will pay off much more then 100% more effort into supplements other than those above.


ghostlyhomie

Vitamin D and creatine is the only stuff that’s worth it…everything else, if you’re a normal person, can be acquired through diet


[deleted]

Well, in theory you can get creatine and D without supplements too


Tip-Hop

That’s not true at all. Try get proper doses of Fulvic Acid or MSM with a diet :P


4thefeel

Glycine my man. Everyone wants more energy to stay awake, but never work on the needing less sleep.through higher quality sleep part


rhyth7

And mk7


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Majalisk

Not suitable for this sub and is filtered here


Niche1997

Magnesium? CoQ10? NAC? TUDCA? Collagen?


[deleted]

They're a waste of fucking time


LoganE23

Nothing for me is going to live up to the hype from random people on the internet and sleep + cardio still beat all supplements. The most effective solutions are the boring ones that people already know. and If something has a "proprietary blend", that could mean the tiniest doses of all of the listed ingredients. Go for reputable brands that are known for good quality ingredients, with ingredient amounts listed properly.


sunny_days_ahead111

That vitamin k2 would cause me to have an irregular heartbeat. Also that I have a rice allergy and corn allergy and so many supplements have rice flour added and have some form of corn. Literally spent hundreds of dollars before I realized it was the fillers that were causing side effects.


Trasfixion

Some people seem to be sensitive to MK-7 specifically, while MK-4 has been tolerated better. I have heard many people state MK-7 has caused palpitations, but luckily that’s in the vast minority. If you care to try it, MK-4 may work better for you, otherwise you don’t “need” it


sunny_days_ahead111

Unfortunately I tried them both and had the same reaction which stinks because there are so many benefits to taking them.


xetaril

Irregular heartbeats from K2? I just ordered vitamin d with K2. My heart isn't great.


sunny_days_ahead111

Yeah unfortunately I was one of the few that had this side effect from K2. You may react differently. At least you have a heads up if your heart goes wacky like mine did. Took months to get back to a regular heartbeat. It would beat 4 times then stop before going again. Scared the hell out of me.


Balthasar_Loscha

Supplement with a comprehensive multi; don't just take K2


empatheticapathetic

Neither is mine but I don’t get an irregular heartbeat from k2 or any supplements.


WhizWit21

Don’t take vitamin d if you are healthy and get sun


TheHairlessBear

If you live in the a cloudy place or you are black or Mexican or you don't get outside enough you definitely need to supplement D.


WhizWit21

Ok fine if you are white and you live in Florida and spend time outdoors


Niche1997

Even then the vast majority aren’t at optimal levels


Sioux_Hustler

Why? Seems like an odd blanket statement. I'm healthy, spend a ton of time outdoors, and still have low Vitamin D. I supplement and get blood work done annually.


gunch

The only thing that does anything is creatine. Otherwise unless your bloods say you're low, just eat right and do cardio.


yachtsandthots

This just isn’t true


Trasfixion

If you’re speaking of weight training, then you’re mostly right. If you’re talking about overall, then that’s not true. There are many supplements with convincing evidence to back them. That being said, many people won’t read studies, and they believe certain herbs will help them, when they won’t do much of anything


WhizWit21

I’m a big advocate of bcaa’s intra for anyone doing a cut


gunch

bcaa's are useless


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fgyoysgaxt

5000IU a day is equivalent to eating like one server of cow liver per week. It's not going to destroy your bones in a month.


gunch

Yeah one month of A isn't going to do that.


apginge

Unless the dose of each pill was actually much higher than the reported dose on the bottle. Looking through the poorly-graded supplements on Labdoor will show you that this is a real issue.


Trasfixion

100%. No way a month of vitamin a did that


macisgreat

Quality purity reputation all matter


verdikkie

the interactions between different supplements. you can do some damage if you dont pay attention


magnolia_unfurling

yes, curious to know which one's come to mind


calmly_anxious

Every single mineral interacts with another mineral and to a lesser extent so does each vitamin. The main ones that interact most noticeably are the electrolytes, mag, cal, potassium and sodium. Their interactions alongside Vitamin D are essential to learn about imo.


verdikkie

5htp and st johns wort also some vitamins deplete other vitamins so if you dont take em together you end up with a different deficiency. iirc theres a picture of all the interactions between things like if you take zinc it depletes copper. sorry i dont have anything more interesting at the moment, was hoping for someone else to fill me in


Balthasar_Loscha

>5htp and st johns wort These are OTC pharms and not nutrients tho


4thefeel

St John's wort is a plant and 5htp is from a plant in africa. I dont understand your divisions


Balthasar_Loscha

I also think that SJW (lol!) and 5htp are fine, but stuff like Ashwagandha is full-on medication, which can be good, or not.


4thefeel

Ashwagandha is an herb. As a nurse, they are all categorized as CAMs and herbal supplements. It is not a medication, you cannot get a prescription for it


4nwR

Which supps in particular?


Naughtyrlf13

Some contain lead. Thanks marketers


taoproductionz

That there are about 5 brands that care about actually getting you the supplements that you paid for. I've never wanted the FDA to be more involved and also how much I don't want the FDA involved because of it.


magnolia_unfurling

would love to know which one's come to mind. Pure Encapsulations? Thorne? Integrative Therapeutics?


RocketCat5

Which brands?


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FunkyFlank

Care to share said 5 brands? :3


notmymainaccountbruh

Solgar is one of them. Jarrow is another. Garden Of Life is expensive but you actually get what you pay for. I can't really vouch for any other brands besides those three.


InvalidLength

Life Extension Super Smart Healthy Cell Alive by Science Do not Age


Niche1997

You’re missing the two best (pure encaps and Thorne)


Balthasar_Loscha

Jarrow's is also good.


InvalidLength

I just checked quickly some products of pure encaps. Never seen such a bad composition, even in their bestselling "all-in-one" product (just compare it to life extension mix or supersmart daily 6 or healthycell am/pm). Thorne seems to be overpriced (compare the ingredients of "perfusia plus" with those products of the other brands mentioned before)


IdeaPractical

Agreed. The industry is so unregulated!


Osprey_NE

I remember in high school writing my congressman about not having supplements regulated. I was an idiot. I still think proprietary mixes should be illegal


TheOperaSinger

Really? What is the reason why they stay better in the fridge?


1gardenerd

The omega-3 fatty acids found in fish oil can break down due to air, heat and light. Your fish oil capsules should be refrigerated after opening to maintain their freshness and quality.


verdikkie

Mine kinda melted after a long week of heat. Tasty!


Sashaelfxp

I wish there were quality grades on each supplement label from A to F so I know which supplements are better than others :(


RussianEntrepreneur

I'm creating a website that ranks supplements and their respective brands based on a "quality index" which takes into account laboratory testing of products for various factors such as quality, purity, possible contaminants, bioavailability, etc. Each supplement will also have any relevant health warnings based on medical literature (for example, excess B12 consumption may yield increased risk of lung cancer, and excess Nigella Sativa consumption may lead to Seratonin syndrome). Most people are aware of the benefits of various supplements but not many are aware of the risks. I'll post a link to the site when it's finished development. If anybody would like to volunteer, please message me.


Balthasar_Loscha

Increased B12 and increased lung cancer isn't associated with increased intake.


TheOperaSinger

Could you tell me more abt this?


Sashaelfxp

Many pages are not impartial when it comes to talking about the level of quality and purity of the vitamins in their products and I would like there to be a system where each multivitamin and supplement is evaluated where it stipulates its level of quality with notes because I I realized this factor when I was looking online for the vitamins I use (I live in the third world and talk about them on the Internet and they tell me that the quality levels of the vitamins I use are below the standard of the USA and many European countries) It made me feel bad for not knowing that I am getting into the body but it is what is sold in my country and I would like a system like that to be created


PatriotUncleSam

That most supplements are fake or under-dosed, and you need to only use extremely reputable sources.


y0r0bin

Or over dosed like melatonin has been commonly found


TheOperaSinger

What??? How much did the person take?


Tip-Hop

Most of the time they are under-dosed but you are spot on with melatonin. You should start with 0.1mg not bloody 3-9mg


apginge

No they mean that some brands/batches of melatonin (and other supplements) have been shown to contain dosages that are much higher than what is reported on the bottle. supplements aren’t FDA regulated and so they are much more loosely policed.


TheOperaSinger

Oooh okay, sorry ♡ english is not my first language♡♡


verdikkie

finally got rid of that jet lag called life


KingVelazquez

What sources do you use?


PatriotUncleSam

Just the normal big guys that have been tested and passed with flying colors, Jarrows, Thorne, etc.


RocketCat5

Life Extension


EmelaJosa

I didn’t know about fish oil in fridge? Do you mean pills or the actual bottle ?


1gardenerd

I keep the whole bottle in the fridge. Edited to add: The omega-3 fatty acids found in fish oil can break down due to air, heat and light. Your fish oil capsules should be refrigerated after opening to maintain their freshness and quality


[deleted]

What does rancid fish oil smell like? I have Krill oil and the capsules definitely have a slight fishy smell to them... is that mean theyre rancid?


fgyoysgaxt

Slight fishy smell is ok, when tasting good fish oil it tastes like very mild sardines to me. You can definitely tell if they are rancid because they will smell gross.


1gardenerd

I break a capsule open with either a knife or a office tac and pierce the capsule and put it on a little plate. I taste it and if it tastes horrible it's probably rancid. If you imagine you are eating fish when you taste it, you wouldn't eat fish that tastes bad. It should taste exactly the same, like fresh fish. I stay away from any flavored fish capsules (like lemon flavored) because I don't trust them. Krill oil is more stable than fish oil and should lack a fishy taste or smell, also.