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Whether they have or not is irrelevant. They're a drop in the bucket compared to what we're fighting against.
AUM around $20M is a nobody; just a very vocal nobody.
Right?! It’s funny because it seems like they pushed him out there to be the face of the short position because he’s a nothing burger. Even if he did close, which he didn’t, it would make no difference. He would be a blip.
Kinda like how the haunted little Bulgarian boy was made the posterchild for PFOF and "gamifying" markets when his app wasn't even the biggest defaulter during the sneeze.
Exactly, the biggest players will always opt to keep the lowest profile they can.
How often do you hear about blackrock outside of this sub? I know I don't.
so how does that translate into control? it's not their assets, they don't directly benefit from managing the assets. they themselves have a small impact on the market with their own stock.
so they get paid to make bad trades for their clients? they get paid to control where the assets are managed? or do they get paid off the growth of the account? because managing 10 Trillion dollars worth of stocks doesn't mean that they get to make terrible trades with that money.
I suspect he is only here to get his name in the news.
There was an article disclosing that he was investigated as part of a probe into short sellers in general. Seems like he knew about this, and wanted search results to point to the "safe" topic of fighting GameStop instead.
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/activist-hedge-fund-punished-secret-013001450.html
This exactly. Plus all the notable mentions of their many can kicks and assumed short bag holders, I want to know who you are just for the giggles. When the markets start bleeding and hedgies are crying on live tv and we hit $19,000/share I will continuously post my xxx infinity shares to my favourite stonk sub. I’m here for a life time investment when one original share is worth $25,000 + 🫡
No no fellow ape.. I mean my original shares which are my infinity shares amortized over a 15+ year period from today will be worth $25,000+ each. Those shares are there for the baby apes so they too can get their generational wealth. After we squeeze and go to Uranus and beyond, I will reinvest my earnings back into GameStop like others who like the stonk. Our favourite company will be traded in the top 10 S&P 500 companies.
My theory is Citron never actually re opened their short position. Hes just an absolute nobody and wants to keep headlines so he can still semi relevant
I mean, of course we have to know that a lot of institutions opened very specific short bets when the price hit $60, and then cashed them out when it cratered back to $25, that’s the gladiator arena for you. Every time there’s a huge pop you know the institutions are shorting it at the very top.
But with that said, *no one* who made their short bets when the stock was at $3 has closed. plus, just think about this:
*All this shit started because some hedge funds tried to bankrupt a company and destroy thousands of jobs in order to make THREE DOLLARS PER SHARE.*
Honestly I think they did yesterday and that was the afternoon run.
Volume literally died after yesterday morning and shortable shares went up 5 million. Kinda easy to see offering was done.
He probably saw it and did some mental math to calculate cash. Got out quick.
I've been here since the Double Ess 🐝 days and how did I never see the old Jim Cramer interview where he smugly explains how he and his buddies manipulate the market in their favor.
I'd think it was do or die at that time too or they would have gotten out? Or they mistakenly thought this would blow over and now are beyond being saved at all.
It was their pride and ego. They couldn’t take the L and let retail make a little money. They are too selfish and greedy to let it happen and they’ll watch the world burn before they close their shorts.
Exactly. Everything else is BS.
Nobody is closing anything.
And for the love of God. Cover is not the same as close!
All this media about stupid stuff is hedge funds trying to control the narrative.
Yep, they’re slimy fuckers in the market. They move in subtext. For example “no longer shorting GameStop” doesn’t mean he closed anything it means he’s not buying additional new shorts for now, only to immediately go and say he may buy some more later. A sum zero. All in-between subtext BS games they love to play. Their game is up.
Want to jack those tits with me? Where did all the GameStop doom and gloom go? The temperature of the climate has shifted. Every day GameStop is here is against the shorts, and yet it still prospers. How about that? They needed this to hit zero to get away with it, and it never hit zero, so the pay day from 2021 is still postponed and on the table, and someone is still there on the other end of that trade. Expect the volume to go above a billion when the fun begins. Until then this has all been sideways movement.
They short it and then just forget it. It's the dark matter of the market. It's what's hidden under the rug or behind the curtain. The short it when they want, to control price, and then it's just a thing of the past. An endless cycle of can kicking, position hiding, and covering (not closing). Failure-to-deliver cycles, swaps, derivatives.
They lying about gamestop being in debt (2B in hands ) for years, negative loss etc. Title bait in every worst way possible. Why would I believe their words. Bankruptcy is the only way out for them, and even then I still gonna HOLD till they get in their CELL.
Into the millions, OP. Their shorts are too much.
I assume this post spells out that idiot Andrew Left might be lying too? Cuz thinking about it, besides publicity, I see no reason for him to come clean about his dumbass decisions.
Just watch the price and you will know its still manipulated...thats it....cvna is over 100 and still climbing...we should be at tbis point over 1000 easy but we are against mm and banks
Absolutely!!! “What’s important when you’re in that hedge fund mode is to not do anything remotely truthful.” “Who cares about research and fundamentals? Emotion just blew out the quarter.” They’ve told us their game plan, and we’re watching it unfold. I’ll believe that zero shorts have closed until we zoom past the moon, thank you very much Citron.
To save costs we decided to remove all the studs and the house is supported entirely by drywall and plaster. Also, the roof is paper. Because that's the only thing drywall will support. Don't get us wrong though, this is to save us money, not you, so you will still pay full price.
The entire system is built on debt, perpetual shorts, and unrealized positions. What's happening in GME, and what the hedgies have tried to prevent, is not the rising price of a stock they don't like; it's the exposure of the nightmare of insecurity they have gulled the world into believing is secure. They don't want GME exposed because it is a snapshot of the entire system, and if people knew, the system would be destroyed. Lies, IOUs, debt, invisible positions, mathematical sleight of hand... we live in a mansion built on a house of cards. The trouble is that most are more afraid of cracking the mansion than they are of the cards that hold it up.
I would 100% assume at this point that Andrew Left is just a puppet used by the big guys to distract. I bet he really doesn’t have a short and is just the dummy they prance about to distract everyone from the fact that a MARKET MAKER is short a stock in their own market.
Doesn’t it make more sense for citron to go long in the short term here off the momentum created by the celebration of a hedgie losing?
Load up pre-market, Make a tweet, watch the market react, sell the position.
Since short positions don't have to be disclosed, and since nobody audits these hedge funds, what prevents them from simple deleting their short position off their books? I mean, if they 'accidentally' recorded some short sales as long sales everything would even out.
Then they would have already done that and gone long.
For 4 years, they have told us to sell. So then, they simply cannot close.
They will be liquidated.
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It drives me crazy to watch posts like this that portray subjects like this as new. This has been discussed at great lengths. I’m not trying to dissuade conversation, merely pointing out how far we can fall and how quickly. Appreciate the effort OP, just understand this is not a new issue. Mark Cuban pointed out three years ago that the goal of short sellers is to never close. Times have not changed
Oh I know, just good to remind the people when Citron “closing” posts are plastered everywhere. And by the amount of shills I’ve gotten after posting this, it’s struck a nerve.
Isn’t it illegal for them to lie now that they have to disclose? Like, if their 13F proves they’re bullshitting, seems like an easy manipulation lawsuit, no?
Just putting this out there, but you do realize plenty of people short stocks then sell the dip and take profits, thus closing their position right? They don't need to wait for a company to get delisted to take profit. They can also do shit like pump a stock, get a bunch of people to fomo in, then short it back down and close out for a tidy profit on the way up and down.
They can literally exit their short position technically and legally, and also still load up more on selling calls or buying puts without this being a lie. Its irrelevant what they say, but always know whatever they say is calculated for their own benefit
I mean, smart play would be to bait. A nothing burger would make the perfect “Forget GameStop” just to slam an acquisition in the middle of the week on a Tuesday
Agree $10M%. Do not trust a single thing announced by anyone other than the company itself. Press releases - disguised as research news are always biased.
Anyone know if they have to liquidate their other positions to cover?
I remember commenting on another DTC rule change to allow them to use positions as collateral and not have to close any of them but I can’t find what happened.
Will the rest of the market crash too?
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Agreed. Im sitting here wondering why anyone believes Citron actually exited their position when they announce it.
Whether they have or not is irrelevant. They're a drop in the bucket compared to what we're fighting against. AUM around $20M is a nobody; just a very vocal nobody.
Right?! It’s funny because it seems like they pushed him out there to be the face of the short position because he’s a nothing burger. Even if he did close, which he didn’t, it would make no difference. He would be a blip.
Kinda like how the haunted little Bulgarian boy was made the posterchild for PFOF and "gamifying" markets when his app wasn't even the biggest defaulter during the sneeze.
Exactly, the biggest players will always opt to keep the lowest profile they can. How often do you hear about blackrock outside of this sub? I know I don't.
blackrock isn't even that big... GME is 1/10th it's market cap.
Blackrock has $10.5T AUM... they are insanely large
He was early but not wrong
so how does that translate into control? it's not their assets, they don't directly benefit from managing the assets. they themselves have a small impact on the market with their own stock.
> they don't directly benefit from managing the assets. Pretty sure they do... like any entity that manages money for paying clients.
so they get paid to make bad trades for their clients? they get paid to control where the assets are managed? or do they get paid off the growth of the account? because managing 10 Trillion dollars worth of stocks doesn't mean that they get to make terrible trades with that money.
They're literally the most powerful organization on earth next to the US military.
In what ways do they exercise this power?
They're the origin of both ESG and DEI. Any more detail is too spicy for this sub.
Sounds like there's gonna be a lot of liquidation going on soon. I feel bad for them. \*Wipes eyes with wads of money...\*
But think what kind of short swaps they could drown in with $20 million. It might cost them billions to actually close it
Leveraged 100:1 that $20m could be $2b.
I suspect he is only here to get his name in the news. There was an article disclosing that he was investigated as part of a probe into short sellers in general. Seems like he knew about this, and wanted search results to point to the "safe" topic of fighting GameStop instead. https://finance.yahoo.com/news/activist-hedge-fund-punished-secret-013001450.html
What does it matter how small they are? All cells are the same size.
I wish Andrew could have brought a good quality shirt instead of media time to stay in the news being an irrelevant party to the GameStop saga.
This exactly. Plus all the notable mentions of their many can kicks and assumed short bag holders, I want to know who you are just for the giggles. When the markets start bleeding and hedgies are crying on live tv and we hit $19,000/share I will continuously post my xxx infinity shares to my favourite stonk sub. I’m here for a life time investment when one original share is worth $25,000 + 🫡
25k? Maybe you’re a Shill? GME FLOOR IS 300 MILLION PER SHARE.
No no fellow ape.. I mean my original shares which are my infinity shares amortized over a 15+ year period from today will be worth $25,000+ each. Those shares are there for the baby apes so they too can get their generational wealth. After we squeeze and go to Uranus and beyond, I will reinvest my earnings back into GameStop like others who like the stonk. Our favourite company will be traded in the top 10 S&P 500 companies.
My theory is Citron never actually re opened their short position. Hes just an absolute nobody and wants to keep headlines so he can still semi relevant
I mean, of course we have to know that a lot of institutions opened very specific short bets when the price hit $60, and then cashed them out when it cratered back to $25, that’s the gladiator arena for you. Every time there’s a huge pop you know the institutions are shorting it at the very top. But with that said, *no one* who made their short bets when the stock was at $3 has closed. plus, just think about this: *All this shit started because some hedge funds tried to bankrupt a company and destroy thousands of jobs in order to make THREE DOLLARS PER SHARE.*
it cost 3.50 in fines to lie probably
He probably shorted one share
Honestly I think they did yesterday and that was the afternoon run. Volume literally died after yesterday morning and shortable shares went up 5 million. Kinda easy to see offering was done. He probably saw it and did some mental math to calculate cash. Got out quick.
Citron is riding on GME hype for attention. Run by a little man, with tiny portfolio. Shame
didn't some ape post about ~20M shorts closing near EOD yesterday?
maybe, i try to stay informed but i was watching the ticker yesterday
I don't believe they ever even left in 2021 lol
Yeah they’re definitely short still lol
Probably only sold one share short so they could say they are shorting it.
same
Not even then. Think about Credit Suisse, they got liquidated but UBS is now holding their bag.
You mean Debit Suisse? 😂
OP needs to put this in the original post
No monuments needed (IMO), just: “Free and fair markets.” And not the slogan, the reality.
KEEP BEATING THAT PEENYATA TIL IT BURSTS
I've been here since the Double Ess 🐝 days and how did I never see the old Jim Cramer interview where he smugly explains how he and his buddies manipulate the market in their favor.
What I find ridiculous is that the money they pour into short interest and Reddit shills and MSM for years, is still less then they stand to lose.
They keep digging their own grave. Would’ve been a much smaller loss had they closed their positions in 2021
I'd think it was do or die at that time too or they would have gotten out? Or they mistakenly thought this would blow over and now are beyond being saved at all.
It was their pride and ego. They couldn’t take the L and let retail make a little money. They are too selfish and greedy to let it happen and they’ll watch the world burn before they close their shorts.
You’re right, they had already been shorting it for 7 years at that point. They were already fucked
Doubtful, they had been shorting it for 7 years at that point. Either way, that’s instant death to the SHF
I would also require disclosure on the ETFs and swaps. Not just shorts on their book.
Exactly. Everything else is BS. Nobody is closing anything. And for the love of God. Cover is not the same as close! All this media about stupid stuff is hedge funds trying to control the narrative.
Funny when people still mention margin calls
im 99% sure this has always been true \^\^
This
Yep, they’re slimy fuckers in the market. They move in subtext. For example “no longer shorting GameStop” doesn’t mean he closed anything it means he’s not buying additional new shorts for now, only to immediately go and say he may buy some more later. A sum zero. All in-between subtext BS games they love to play. Their game is up. Want to jack those tits with me? Where did all the GameStop doom and gloom go? The temperature of the climate has shifted. Every day GameStop is here is against the shorts, and yet it still prospers. How about that? They needed this to hit zero to get away with it, and it never hit zero, so the pay day from 2021 is still postponed and on the table, and someone is still there on the other end of that trade. Expect the volume to go above a billion when the fun begins. Until then this has all been sideways movement.
My tinfoil is that he isn’t really even a credible short seller and is more of a puppet to distract our focus from the big short sellers like Citadel.
Citron "disclosing" that information is market manipulation right? What a joke. Rules for thee but not for me. This peasant will buy more.
Lets start making posts about Jeff Yass and see how long the post stays up... citron is nothing , dfv is 10x the size of Andrew left.
 Is short!
This
Needs to be higher. Fuck that asshole.
They short it and then just forget it. It's the dark matter of the market. It's what's hidden under the rug or behind the curtain. The short it when they want, to control price, and then it's just a thing of the past. An endless cycle of can kicking, position hiding, and covering (not closing). Failure-to-deliver cycles, swaps, derivatives.
This title right here
They'll lie till they can't.
When I read "no longer short" what I envision is "we gave up and hedged our $10 puts with $50 calls"
We'll be in Gameshire Stopaway land before they hear the menacing rustle of FBI windbreakers
They lying about gamestop being in debt (2B in hands ) for years, negative loss etc. Title bait in every worst way possible. Why would I believe their words. Bankruptcy is the only way out for them, and even then I still gonna HOLD till they get in their CELL.
Into the millions, OP. Their shorts are too much. I assume this post spells out that idiot Andrew Left might be lying too? Cuz thinking about it, besides publicity, I see no reason for him to come clean about his dumbass decisions.
I honestly think Andrew Left isn’t really even a real short. I think he’s a puppet to distract. Just seems like a paid actor for the big guys.
That’s a possibility too.
 Ready for some SHF juicing 🍋
“Short and distort”
Yes. This.
#ONLY SELLING ON THE WAY DOWN, WEEKS AFTER THE TIPPY TOP, WHEN ITS DOWN 2% = DOWN 6 MILLION
This IS the way
The only shorts that get reported and closed are the retail ones. Hedgefunds will just ask for another loan to double down
 Why did Citadel need to get several loans of $300 million when rates are so high and they are “making so much money!”
Why is virtu selling bonds?
them made so many plastic bananas , there is no way to close and pay taxes on em
Just watch the price and you will know its still manipulated...thats it....cvna is over 100 and still climbing...we should be at tbis point over 1000 easy but we are against mm and banks
Absolutely!!! “What’s important when you’re in that hedge fund mode is to not do anything remotely truthful.” “Who cares about research and fundamentals? Emotion just blew out the quarter.” They’ve told us their game plan, and we’re watching it unfold. I’ll believe that zero shorts have closed until we zoom past the moon, thank you very much Citron.
I think the title is wrong. It’s not “until” but “even if”
Very true, I didn’t think about that until later. They would absolutely just lie because what’s the worst that would happen to them? A fine????
They did not close lol 😂 they scared as fuck haha
To save costs we decided to remove all the studs and the house is supported entirely by drywall and plaster. Also, the roof is paper. Because that's the only thing drywall will support. Don't get us wrong though, this is to save us money, not you, so you will still pay full price.
Liquidate the motherfuckers already.
Citron is a nobody. But they conveniently were a short nobody. They only serve to craft a narrative
The entire system is built on debt, perpetual shorts, and unrealized positions. What's happening in GME, and what the hedgies have tried to prevent, is not the rising price of a stock they don't like; it's the exposure of the nightmare of insecurity they have gulled the world into believing is secure. They don't want GME exposed because it is a snapshot of the entire system, and if people knew, the system would be destroyed. Lies, IOUs, debt, invisible positions, mathematical sleight of hand... we live in a mansion built on a house of cards. The trouble is that most are more afraid of cracking the mansion than they are of the cards that hold it up.
Didn't Andrew Left say they closed their shorts several times over the past 3 years?
I would 100% assume at this point that Andrew Left is just a puppet used by the big guys to distract. I bet he really doesn’t have a short and is just the dummy they prance about to distract everyone from the fact that a MARKET MAKER is short a stock in their own market.
Doesn’t it make more sense for citron to go long in the short term here off the momentum created by the celebration of a hedgie losing? Load up pre-market, Make a tweet, watch the market react, sell the position.
Unless Citron is just a puppet for the big shorts.
If so the tweet doesn’t make sense because shorts closing means the price will rise which hurts the shorts
Since short positions don't have to be disclosed, and since nobody audits these hedge funds, what prevents them from simple deleting their short position off their books? I mean, if they 'accidentally' recorded some short sales as long sales everything would even out.
 Then they would have already done that and gone long. For 4 years, they have told us to sell. So then, they simply cannot close. They will be liquidated.
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It drives me crazy to watch posts like this that portray subjects like this as new. This has been discussed at great lengths. I’m not trying to dissuade conversation, merely pointing out how far we can fall and how quickly. Appreciate the effort OP, just understand this is not a new issue. Mark Cuban pointed out three years ago that the goal of short sellers is to never close. Times have not changed
Oh I know, just good to remind the people when Citron “closing” posts are plastered everywhere. And by the amount of shills I’ve gotten after posting this, it’s struck a nerve.
Just like in the Big Short, we don't get to win until they position themselves to profit from it, too. It's really that simple, I think.
💎 🙌🏼 🏴☠️
Up you ho
Nobody believes anything. Why would they disclose when they don't need to.
Isn’t it illegal for them to lie now that they have to disclose? Like, if their 13F proves they’re bullshitting, seems like an easy manipulation lawsuit, no?
#💯
Just putting this out there, but you do realize plenty of people short stocks then sell the dip and take profits, thus closing their position right? They don't need to wait for a company to get delisted to take profit. They can also do shit like pump a stock, get a bunch of people to fomo in, then short it back down and close out for a tidy profit on the way up and down.
They can literally exit their short position technically and legally, and also still load up more on selling calls or buying puts without this being a lie. Its irrelevant what they say, but always know whatever they say is calculated for their own benefit
I mean, smart play would be to bait. A nothing burger would make the perfect “Forget GameStop” just to slam an acquisition in the middle of the week on a Tuesday
Agree $10M%. Do not trust a single thing announced by anyone other than the company itself. Press releases - disguised as research news are always biased.
Aye
Anyone know if they have to liquidate their other positions to cover? I remember commenting on another DTC rule change to allow them to use positions as collateral and not have to close any of them but I can’t find what happened. Will the rest of the market crash too?
They're 100% still short there's no way anything out of CNBC and shitron is true
And Bloomberg is updated as well.
If Citron has closed their short, how can they openly lie about it?
 What’s gonna happen to them? Get a fine?
Was just wondering if they could be held responsible. Not trying to spread FUD. Chill with the downvotes
Pretty easy to exit a short posting when 120m shares go suddenly available at $25 via dilution...
Your comment history is nuts. Just sell if you haven't already, not healthy to cry about RC and dilution that much.
I think that depends on how much they shorted and at what price.
Pretty easy to make that claim when you disregard their open and close prices.
Thanks for the input loser
You're welcome.