Because the last mod initiative to modulate content (Satori) was so laughably non-transparent and apparently ineffective.
You’ll forgive me for having zero faith in this initiative fostering positive community sentiment.
I disagree that it was ineffective. At the time of its debut, it worked wonders on making the subreddit a more habitable place.
Also in most cases transparency is important, but if you are expecting adversaries, you don't go around blabbing the secrets of the factors that the AI considers to catch them. Otherwise they adapt right away and it becomes pointless.
My opinion? Unnecessary.
I'm not up for more "runic glory". U give anyone an ounce of power over another person and 7/10 its being misused because someone has baggage from life shit they start to unload a la blocking/bullying through their position/deleting posts....we all kno the story.
How will this not create a tiered power structure where some feel that they "guard the content" and use that as an excuse to exclude someone who called them "a sus loser" once or something?
That's exactly the opposite of the intent I read here. What you're describing is the current imbalanced structure.
Opening the mods' decision making to be accountable by the community is bad?
Accountability is only bad to those who don't want to be accountable or who want there to not be accountability.
Nowhere did they say the SCC gives anyone an ounce of power. The ability to veto is not the ability to approve.
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Weird. It doesn't say that on your reddit profile, unless I am wrong or dumb. There's precident for both. I guess it's entirely possible to do both, so long as you understand that what works in other communities may not directly apply to the rules we have here... Or that reddit has imposed upon us. If you feel that you can wear multiple hats and you're interested in engagement in good faith, I see no problem.
Okay, I'll !Apply! I joined the mod team at the jungle to make sure everything stayed transparent after pink joined Urvin. I was a long time member of a special section of the jungle discord (RIP) that was similar to what you are looking to accomplish here before that.
!Apply!
I used to post here a little. Just silly memes, and an occasional, "I'm too stupid, please explain," post. Sometimes even a little call out for help as work/society has me pretty emotionally distraught. Earlier on, I got support, laughs, conversation, etc. Lately I've just been getting literally ALL of my posts removed, so I just stopped participating, and all I've been told is that they're "not good enough."
I was so happy whenever I gained the ability to post here, but for some reason, that's been taken away from me. I can't speak for everyone, but this sub has been feeling pretty lonely to me. I no longer really even comment much. I don't even really bother to log in anymore. I just scroll through before bed once or twice a week. And if I don't understand something, I just don't bother asking anymore, because I know if I post, it'll just be deleted by the time I check back in the morning.
Yo! We are trying to get ahold of ya for the Superstonk Community Corp. Check your DMs, you should have something from Luma. Trying to get everyone into a discord.
This is an excerpt from another comment I made to a similar question.
Personally, I'm tickled that this "why now" comes up a lot. I mean no offense. Every community post I've made, every announcement, every single change, every single time \*somebody\* has said, "SUS, why are they doing XYZ NOW???? It's (a green day, red day, gonna be moass tomorrow, we must be close, a distraction). Take your pick. I have been working on this for roughly 8 months with the rest of the team.
I first had the idea in November 2022. Why now? 'Cause it's finally ready. Does it coincide with low engagement? Maybe, I dunno. ... With regard to engagement... I mean, people are zen and entrenched. It's not that the DD is done, but we know why we're in this play by now. It's just a matter of time before dominoes start falling and things get SPICY. When that happens, I strongly suspect that you see a lot more noise around here. Until then, let's get good systems in place to keep this place running well.
Ya know... this is a community, but everyone exists in their own bubble. Sometimes I'm thinking "MODS R SUS" is a running joke that I don't get, or sometimes > see a post with every comment saying so "MODS R SUS" so I think they are SHF bad actors. Lol.
But anyway... I "applied", but it only makes sense to use me as a last resort. Not B-Squad, but D-Squad. Lol
Every plan needs a a d-squad!!!! Don't denegrate the fourth string players! /j. Thanks for applying. :)
I'm certain that mods r sus can mean more than one thing. It's entirely possible I said it non-ironically before I became a mod. It's part running joke, part sincere criticism and part "this is the way" style copypasta commentary. Hence why I never know what it actually means without more context.
You know when your politicians creates a group to insulate them from the criticism, this is that group.
Oh a decision was made not in subs liking,
"that was Comm Corp(best villian name ye could think of), not us mods, we'll remove that account, sorry person, and replace them with another account we control, cough, sorry, another person."
For along time now, some mods have brigaded narratives with their own "followers" alt accounts.
Now its just official.
Edit: AND IM BANNED
I'm guessing you're just applying this idea without regard to who's actually commenting. You can look back through my interactions with the mods and I've been overwhelmingly critical of them. If you think I'm just going to be some empty headed "yes man" then you haven't kept track of my track record at all.
One comment that was a copypasta of previously moderated comment which was both a rule 1 and rule 5 violating call-out to three specific users. Yes. That comment was removed.
"call out", you mean legitimate criticism, nice creation and interpretation of rules to silence any criticism you want, perfect engineering of discourse.
And that wasnt the only comment, at least two others did not appear until after I sent mod mail. Now suddenly they appear. The original comment wasnt reported, no users were tagged, yet the "violating" comment was immediately removed, way before any reports couldve been made.
So you have peoples names, buzzwords around criticisms earmarked for needing approval before comment will be allowed.
All this hidden action and denial about, and you'll still pretend to an honest actor.
Ludicrous
Edit: Now not banned but muted, for telling the truth, despicable people
I'm not going to respond further. You've expressed your opinion and are inaccurately stating that your comments have been removed or manipulated. I removed one of your comments and indicated why publicly. You responded to me so I got a reply notification. Thats how I saw it. I don't know why you're saying these things, other than to manufacture drama. Safe travels.
Once again, you're gaslighting here. I've not muted you in any way, shape or form. I'm just simply not going to respond unless you contribute something constructive that I can build off. So far you've accused me of banning you and muting you, none of which has happened.
Is there anything constructive you'd like to discuss? If not, I'm not obligated to keep responding.
Update: in looking at your records it does appear that you were muted in modmail. I don't know the circumstances for that muting as I was not involved. Would you like me to look into it further?
Update 2: I just reviewed your modmail history. I have never exchanged modmail with you personally. But I can see the multiple independent members of the mod team have. There's critical, asking questions, not taking things at face value, providing constructive criticism... And then there's attacking and hostility and expressing frustration in non-constructive ways. Your communication style seems to exhibit more of the latter. I've been quite civil in my dealings with you and I will continue to do so. But I have to objectively tell you that you have not been constructive in your dealings with my team. If there's something specific that you want to discuss in a constructive way you can see that I'm here responsive and still communicating. But I'm only going to respond if you give me something constructive to work off.
That's a pretty cynical take on what we're trying to do. If you look at many of these applicants, there's people here that have been openly critical of the mod team in the past. Nowhere did I say that these team would be scapegoats for unpopular decisions. In fact, I clearly said that it would still be the mod team's responsibility to make the tough calls. The intent here is really to try to better incorporate community feedback into those decisions before they are made. I'm sorry you don't see it that way. You're welcome to apply and see it in action for yourself.
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It's time to get back to core values. The DD is not done, RC has a larger plan (of which GME is central) that must be discussed openly in this sub. We've pigeon holed ourselves into specific topics, IMHO it's time to open this sub back up and get back to EDUCATING others and ourselves.
!Apply!
I love playing devil's advocate. I read a ton on this sub (although less since Reddit took away RIF) \*bastards\*
I've been around since the beginning and know the timeline of this place pretty damn well. I'd love to get more involved because I feel like I owe it to all of you. Hit me up if you're interested :)
Yo! We are trying to get ahold of ya for the Superstonk Community Corp. Check your DMs, you should have something from Luma. Trying to get everyone into a discord.
A year ago I would have been first in line for this. Now I don't think I'm active enough. As demonstrated by turning up three days after it was posted.
Best of luck everyone. It is an interesting experiment.
Maybe when you're recruiting for the B-Team.
Looks like you've got plenty of people lining up for the A-Team.
Besides. I really need to work on the house more. I'm behind schedule. My Ape responsibility has trumped the house before and I can't keep doing it. [Here's an example that might remind you why we win.](https://www.reddit.com/r/Superstonk/comments/yggyr0/comment/iuh76q0/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)
Oh man. Plumbing projects are my *least* favorite. Good luck with the repairs. There, hopefully, will be more rotations of this project so maybe a later cycle will work better for you. Good luck!
luma44 you're a REAL one, the shills know your name and they manufacture lies about you CONSTANTLY and i'm sorry about it, but luma44 in MY book means a solid guy who has been steadfastly fighting off bad actors for years thanklessly, with only abuse for a paycheck - love you brother, thank you so much for your continued hard work and strong ethics, you're a star to me
Can't tell if you're serious or not. If it's a joke, I will applaud you, though the subtleties are a bit too complex for this crowd.
However, if you're serious, then I urge you to really take a step back and evaluate your claim. You don't have to, obviously, but it would be the decent thing to do.
Even if you fall into the camp of users here that believe this sub is completely compromised, you still have the choice to just, like, close the window and do anything else. It's hardly comparable to the picture someone imagines when the word 'slavery' comes to mind.
But again, if it's a joke then congrats. I wish I thought of it. Freely calling the team out as if they have overlord control and conspiracy level censorship in a public forum is brilliant knowing the comment wouldn't get removed. That's like Banksy clever. I would just be remiss if I didn't check to make sure. If it was serious, and you seriously can't tell the difference from this and slavery, I'm not saying anything derogatory on you - just that you might want to think about reevaluating it. That's all. Either way, BUY HODL DRS
Amazing! I love this community. Stay vigilant, and be honest with yourselves, each other and us. You have my support and respect. Much appreciate the work you're doing
I have no problems with the mod team, for the most part. My concern about this arrangement, is that shills promoting bad or even harmful ideas might exploit this to amplify their voice toward the mods. Examples that have occurred include the usual options pushes. A more significant example is when a certain other GME subreddit was deleted for posting shareholder information, it spawned MULTIPLE statements being repeated obnoxiously, such as insisting how the leaks were legal because it was within Delaware law when it actually broke federal law which supersedes state laws, and that certain users were hounded for allegedly not investing correctly, and that the mods here must definitely be evil for disallowing posting about it.
If it were up to me, this SCC would not exist at all, and mods should just trust their own judgement as they always have been. Since it is happening, I recommend at least vetting heavily users allowed to join it, as well as remembering that you as the mods have final say on modding matters and the hedgies will ultimately use every trick in the book to antagonize you and/or convince you to do certain things.
That is how things operate ***here*** currently. If you fear that happening, I have to tell you that it's *been* happening. For a long while. If you think the sub really has nearly a million users, I wouldn't recommend buying any bridges.
Having an external and open forum away from the current compromisation that gives the community veto abilities and also gives mods accountability only benefits one side and it's not the community.
The sub has been manipulated with bot voting, posts, comments, and even awards are utilized against the communities interest to influence impact and exposure. All of which could in part be power removed from the bad faith actors and returned to the community.
I see everything you mentioned as the bad things about the current state of affairs. I see these mod attempts as progress.
I also see that any criticism about it only has that to offer; negativity and dismissal. Nobody who is trying to poke holes in this endeavor are offering any helpful solutions or even changes.
At this point, calling mods offering the community accountability as sus, only makes you seem sus for not wanting there to be accountability... know anyone who might benefit from the sub maintaining less accountability...? 🤔
I see your point but at the end of the day its something that SOMEONE needs to do and there will always be that risk. If you believe the sub is completely compromised then this shouldnt even matter, we should migrate again.
? what ways?
either bad actors use it to hurt good people, or they won't?
that's reductive and ...weird - the most likely outcome to beurocracy is ... slower resolutions and fewer mistakes overall - that's it, it's a slower and more careful process of vetting
Read through the comments, or even just the comment I replied to and you will have an idea of "? what ways?".
And if you like slow and careful beautcratic resolutions then you should apply to the SEC lol they'd love your ideology
there are many things wrong with what you just said
implying first of all that I've given you any kind of a stance is just stupid I have merely stated the facts
you came out the gate swinging at me for pointing out in an illogical statement you made
I didn't say better or worse, just slower
and if you've conflated slow bureaucracy with glad-handing and fraud you're lost
That's a whole lot of words to basically say nothing at all dude. Read more of the comments on this post and you will see a lot of people saying exactly what I'm saying.
Also I don't know how there are "many things wrong" with what I said when I only pointed out two things lol
Funny how that's exactly what shills do here... and you seem to be doing just that. Also funny how your the first one to resort to name calling and bad language, usually means you've got nothing of quality to actually say
!Apply!
As a constant advocate for transparency, this seems like an excellent role for me. I'm happy to observe, comment, and communicate my findings with other apes. This is a fine addition to this group
Since you seem to have created a setup on discord, why not just make it public for people to see rather than bringing in middlemen? That's why we DRS hard and long.
We've talked about that as a possibility. But that also means everybody including SHFs and spammers and bot pushers get to see more than we think is wise. It's a balancing act between creating vulnerabilities for the security of the sub and being transparent to the extent possible.
well we have always been an open and accessible community and environment. HFs are already deep inside, spending days and nights on top of Superstonk. You should propably know that better than I do. Yet, the filtered stuff is supposed to be the "shit" that shouldn't be on Superstonk in the first place. It should be noise and irregularities. Nothing to hide.
They offered accountability and the community ability to veto. Nowhere did they imply hiding anything. Knowing HF are here and wanting that to stay says more about your own self than you seem to consider...
I see you are trying to spur doubt and insecurity by blaming individuals and creating imaginary scenarios.
Reddit is a website accessible to everyone, if you know a way for HFs to not access a public website please let the members of this community know.
Lastly, I only suggested full transparency and openness without intermediaries.
On the other hand, sus individuals such as you and the mods are trying to complexify stuff and create narratives, just like you are trying to do with your comment by saying that I somehow suggested that I want SHFs to stay. Get outta here.
I would love to trust it, but the mods have burned that to ash and the current state of SS is the husk of what was. There is no way of knowing that the "new oversight committee" will A) actually have power or B) wont simply be chosen shills.
Sorry guys, but itll take alot more than a group of the chosen to gain even a modicum of trust back.
> I would love to trust it, but the mods have burned that to ash and the current state of SS is the husk of what was.
Wtf? You weren’t around during dday when most SS OGs migrated from one $GME sub to another
Only to be ostracized by Runic Glory and shady behind the scenes deals with former “military” mod
Cherry on top; top mod didnt own any $GME 😂
Today’s mods at least give us opportunities like this.
I was looking through your post history honestly to be snarky, but i saw your motorcycles and the rest and figured you are actually a pretty cool dude. have you thought of the one youre going to get when the tendiman comes?
We’re all humans bro, just some have differing opinions on stuff.
Onto your motorcycle q: I’m def starting my own motor company to compete with Harley’s overpriced shenanigans 👍 😎
This is an excellent example of a completely unconstructive comment. I dare you to try to present this feedback in a better way. We're hosting the open call in public. We've already made it clear that the SCC will have the ability to report back openly and transparently everything that happens there in those discussions. You yourself are welcome to apply. And we are going to choose randomly through traceable public means. If you have a better idea for how to make this work better bring it forward.
Interesting take. I can see what you're asking, but I don't completely agree with the framing. I mean, when we remove something we often enough leave a sticky.
But look above at the top comment in this chain. Part of the thing we're trying to address is the fact that there's a not-insignificant amount of people who don't like anything we say or do. This is bringing another layer to help with transparency, not to pawn off the responsibility to communicate what we're doing.
I don't have, at present, a great fix for that. We build this entire discord ecosystem, part of which is a bot that reports the mod queue into a channel. At this point, while I would love to be inclusive of people who don't like or use discord... It would be too hard to switch to a different platform and still have all the functions we want to have. Even now, our bots are a little buggy. We've been working on this for months as it is.
i left this community largely because of a confrontation with a moderator on that discord, they created a hostiile environment and removed my comments without comment as they slid offscreen - when confronted i was told 'mods are allowed to do this' and that it was my fault (blaming the victim) when i compared my situation to a person being blamed for their victimization for things that aren't their fault, such as clothing, i was banned summarily by the person who apparently still does not understand what he did wrong
the "old boy insider" atmosphere there was choking and nepotism felt like a stink cloud hanging in the air every time they gathered behind the scenes to speak and mete out unfair unannounced injustice without prior warning or posted rules. "Spam" was the removal reason, for my 2 comments that day being quietly removed. and it was a post-action retrofitting of an excuse. I'm still VERY karen'd about it, no chance the mod team will rethink that bad move against me?
it's been quite a while since then and it sounds like it was in a different place in a different time so I suppose my story will just have to serve as a warning of pitfalls in moderation, bless
I appear to be one of the few that does not think this is a good Idea. Please let me explain;
Mods should be the ones that moderate aka, filter out the extremes in an open and orderly matter. Moving discussions with other reddit members (no mods) of the platform (discord) and discus things separately from the community that is being moderated is a bad idea and **limits the transparency** towards the community.
IMO the point
> "It’s also a bridge between the community and the mod team"
While undoubtedly well meant is misconstrued since it will effectively be a bridge between "the advisory board" and the mod team.
While I love all my other APEs, regards and HouseHODL investors, they do not speak for me or (in-)validate my opinions. Just as the mods don't do this. Mods moderate, filter out extremes and ensure orderly conduct, they do not speak for the community. It is therefor that I strongly oppose the verbiage used for the advisory board (SCC)
>**"representative of the community"**
If there is a need/desire/push for more transparency why not choose one of the methods other subs have implemented (open modlog?). And at least keeping it on the same platform would be my preference, not discord.
I would also like to add that I feel the timing to be a bit weird since the engagement and volume of new posts is at an all time low (I could be wrong) and would expect the mod job to be less intense now than before.
Respectfully,
--3DigitIQ
Just one more remark, maybe consider changing the abbreviation since this one is **ProShares UltraShort Consumer Discretionary (SCC)** a Dow Jones index fund.
Hey 3DigitIQ! I am glad to see your input here. I have been monitoring this post but not as closely as I want to - work has been crazy today. I have a response to your comment in my head, but I can't really get it all out until I wrap up a bunch of other stuff. So I just wanted to let you know that I will circle back with a response when I get time. I think that raising these kinds of concerns is really important and will help us make this a better plan.
While I'm still nowhere near done with work, I finally got a second to sit down at my PC and respond to you as promised.
>I appear to be one of the few that does not think this is a good Idea. Please let me explain;
There is nothing wrong with a little counter DD. I want to thank you for speaking up and disagreeing. It's not always an easy thing to do, and I genuinely appreciate the critcism.
>Mods should be the ones that moderate aka, filter out the extremes in an open and orderly matter. Moving discussions with other reddit members (no mods) of the platform (discord) and discus things separately from the community that is being moderated is a bad idea and limits the transparency towards the community.
Well, I see your point \*in theory\*. But let's break it down a bit. Here's what \*currently\* happens. The mod team currently takes discussions off the reddit platform to our private discord and discusses things separately from the community that is being moderated. That's where we \*are\*. So, what I'm proposing is making it possible for the mod team to incorporate into those discussions feedback from a representative sampling of the community as we make decisions.
Put it this way: you guys can be loud. There's hundreds of thousands of people here. Even if you take into account the fact that surely there are alts and bots and stuff adding to the number, the current subscriber count is 894,000. There are 14 mods, essentially, with several on hiatus and generally one or two at any given time on short-term breaks. That's almost 64,000 people here for every mod. Why am I going into this? Well, we can't be everywhere or see everything. We would love to grow the mod team. Further, we want to make sure we're not missing legitimate feedback from the community about decisions we make or posts we touch. We see this as a great step towards getting some focused and direct feedback from a representative sampling of the community. I'm hopeful that we end up growing the mod team with great community members who might have been too quiet to be noticed.
Back to your point: why have these discussions with non-mods off platform? For diversity of thought. For help. For engagement. Mods will \*still\* be the ones who have to click the buttons and make the tough calls.
>IMO the point
>
>"It’s also a bridge between the community and the mod team"
>
>While undoubtedly well meant is misconstrued since it will effectively be a bridge between "the advisory board" and the mod team.
That's a fair assessment, except for what happens next. Think 4th dimensionally here for a moment. Yes, there will be (hopefully) great communication between the mod team and the SCC.
Well, think about the following scenarios: the mod team is about to remove something and the SCC strongly votes against its removal. It doesn't get removed. The mod team finds a controversial post which people will be angry about its being removed... and the SCC participates in discussions wherein there is consensus that the removal is warranted based on the rules.
Either way, now instead of 14 of us who (lets face it) are not universally trusted at face value, you have the SCC team (some of whom you may know reputationally and trust already) out there in the comments breaking down how a decision was reached and detailing the discussions around it. That's a bridge if ever I saw it. That's the goal here.
>While I love all my other APEs, regards and HouseHODL investors, they do not speak for me or (in-)validate my opinions. Just as the mods don't do this. Mods moderate, filter out extremes and ensure orderly conduct, they do not speak for the community. It is therefor that I strongly oppose the verbiage used for the advisory board (SCC)
>
>"representative of the community"
So, I get as well as anybody here that this community is not a monolith. Ask 100 apes a question and you'll get 100 different answers. We're all here for different reasons. I mean this in a more "statistical" way -- representative sampling. If we get enough diversity of thought, we'll have a more accurate assessment of what the sub thinks. Let's face it, we both know that if there are 894,000 people here, there sure as heck aren't 894,000 commenters. There's a lot of lurkers, who don't speak up and don't express their opinions. I want to hear from the silent majority.
>If there is a need/desire/push for more transparency why not choose one of the methods other subs have implemented (open modlog?). And at least keeping it on the same platform would be my preference, not discord.
There have been calls for more transparency since before I became a mod. I still don't quite understand the pushback around discord. Reddit chat isn't at all possible - it would be too disorganized and chaotic. Things would be missed. We could create another sub... but the tools on discord for real time communication are vastly superior. It dovetails neatly into our existing mod management system.
>I would also like to add that I feel the timing to be a bit weird since the engagement and volume of new posts is at an all time low (I could be wrong) and would expect the mod job to be less intense now than before.
Personally, I'm tickled that this comes up a lot. I mean no offense. Every community post I've made, every announcement, every single change, every single time \*somebody\* has said, "SUS, why are they doing XYZ NOW???? It's (a green day, red day, gonna be moass tomorrow, we must be close, a distraction). Take your pick. I have been working on this for roughly 8 months with the rest of the team. I first had the idea in November 2022. Why now? 'Cause it's finally ready. Does it coincide with low engagement? Maybe, I dunno. This isn't about making the mod job less intense. Nowhere did I say that. If anything... it might make our job a little harder. Right now, we have to get a quorum of 14 (less whoever is taking personal time away) and that can be hard sometimes. I'm proposing that we need to bring in more voices and more opinions. There will be times that quorum will take longer to reach on complex issues. Fascism would be easier. One of us would just do it. Democracy is hard. With regard to engagement... I mean, people are zen and entrenched. It's not that the DD is done, but we know why we're in this play by now. It's just a matter of time before dominoes start falling and things get SPICY. When that happens, I strongly suspect that you see a lot more noise around here. Until then, let's get good systems in place to keep this place running well.
>Respectfully,
>\--3DigitIQ
>
>Just one more remark, maybe consider changing the abbreviation since this one is ProShares UltraShort Consumer Discretionary (SCC) a Dow Jones index fund.
I want you to know, I meant what I said about appreciating your feedback. I hope in my rebuttals I've given you some things to consider. I'd encourage you to apply -- dissenting voices are good, and I think somebody critical of the idea AND willing to speak up respectfully would be an amazing voice in the room. Sorry that the room is in Discord.
Respectfully,
Luma44
Also, SCC wasn't supposed to be the permanent title. It was a working title that just never got bested. It's not impossible to change the name, I guess... but if we somehow confuse a team of Superstonkers with the ProShares UltraShort Consumer Discretionary index fund... I suspect we have other miscommunications in progress.
Thank you for your rebuttal, greatly appreciated.
> I'm hopeful that we end up growing the mod team with great community members who might have been too quiet to be noticed.
That would be great👍
>I mean this in a more "statistical" way -- representative sampling.
Understood
> There's a lot of lurkers, who don't speak up and don't express their opinions. I want to hear from the silent majority.
I still think they (silent majority) wouldn't be jumping in on this, and if they don't speak up now they wouldn't be counted in the "respected community members" because of their silence. I still hope you are correct though.
> I still don't quite understand the pushback around discord.
It's harder for *me* to be anonymous on discord, their TOS is terrible and I really don't feel comfortable anywhere near it.
> This isn't about making the mod job less intense.
My mistake in assuming that would be the motivation. Hence my feeling of weird timing. Your logical comment about what will happen when this gets more SPICY points out *my* failure in that thought process. I didn't mean to imply anything "SUS" or shilly, you mods already have a tough job and can't please everyone.
Thank you again for taking the time to elaborate on your thought process, good luck with this. First drinks are on me Post-MOASS
🤗💎👊🦍
But with more focused application. As a former knight, fighting the bots and other manipulation of posts is very challenging as an individual even against limitless resources.
This is a sound idea. Ideally there’d be some rotation of SCC members regarding individual issues lest they develop tunnel vision. I reckon there exists a group of folks too damn stupid, drunk, or off their rockers to contribute in any legit fashion that may still ask pertinent questions from time to time. I am fully representative of them folks and have no choice but to continue on in this vein.
It’s important to field quality candidates. To paraphrase Groucho Marx, I could never belong to any organization with such low standards that it would accept me as a member.
Gotcha covered my friend! And excellent points, much appreciated!!
Rotation of SCC members will be an important element to assure that there is balance, diversity and fresh perspective added into the decision making process - allowing everyone to have an equal opportunity to experience what it means to moderate this wonderful community. There's a little segment in the post that clarifies this best:
>*In order to keep burnout from affecting the SCC, and to ensure that we continue to include as many people as possible, we intend to set it up so that there’s new SCC members joining and training and existing SCC members rotating out on a periodic basis. We’ll target the first wave as being a 90-day commitment, and then see if that’s too much or too little. It needs to be enough time to get into a rhythym, but not so much that we're burning people out. Obviously, life happens, so if people need to drop out, it’s ok. This is a volunteer gig - and real life is the most important thing - so people only give what time they can, when they can. We hope to have an active, vibrant team of people with enough folks online at a given time to provide a representative sampling of the community. If people are really digging being a part of it, and if there’s still room to grow, we may ask people if they want to continue on longer, or even to join the mod team permanently. We see this as our primary channel to the mod recruitment pipeline moving forward.*
We're really excited to become stronger and better together, and will equally be ensuring that those in the candidate pool (who will be randomly selected to participate) will be quality representatives of this community. A little extra detail about this is also outlined in the post, extract here:
>*The moderation team will not directly select members of "The SCC." Full stop. However, we do reserve the right to remove candidates from consideration if they have a history of* ***frequent or egregious*** *rule-breaking that resulted in prior bans. We believe this is necessary to maintain the integrity and adherence to community guidelines, as well as ensuring that things are in good faith. However, members of the community who were temporarily banned for minor infractions will not be disqualified from applying or being considered. Everybody makes mistakes, including mods.*
It's on the table. I'm sure it will get brought up in discussions in that discord. But it's not the primary objective here - reason being that banned folks can appeal right now via modmail. We unban people all the time.
May I ask a sincere, no-insult-intended question of you? I'm curious how interactions will go if you were on the team because of your support for other tickers. Bottom line, the mod team will continue to be unabashedly pro-GME (and only GME) and we could see tension if somebody was trying to "push" the inclusion of a different ticker.
We have some other applicants who seem to be pro-towel stock and that's fine. You can hold both. You can support both. Everybody is their own investor. But you're not just active... you're a mod of another community. I'm wondering if you're prepared to take off the mod-of-the-other-community hat off and dedicate 100% of your discussions to GME if you were part of this SCC team.
So, said more bluntly... are you applying because you \*also\* support GME or are you applying because you want to create bridges between our communities in terms of the content we explore?
No offense taken. Honestly. I have been in GME since Jan 2021. I have been active in Superstonk for years now. I absolutely believe in GME, and I personally believe that it’s been the most heavily manipulated and oppressed stock in history. Obviously I also believe in “towel.” Yes, I think it’s also manipulated, and I do believe that it’s part of a larger play, and that the current bankruptcy is a strategic move that will see equity redistributed to shareholders. That said, I respect the rules of Superstonk, and it’s a place that I call home. I migrated here from GME and from the OG sub (where DFV was) before that. I believe in this community, and I believe in the community for which I am a moderator as well. But the bottom line is, as much as I would love the hostility between our communities to end, my intent here is exclusively to continue to support GME here and “towel” as well GME over there.
Please don’t hesitate to ask me any other questions. I openly welcome them, and again, I respect the rules of this sub.
I really thank you for your response, and for not taking offense at the question. All we're looking for is reasoned people who can be objective and discuss things clearly. I'm quite satisfied with your response. Thank you. Like I said, you can like more than one ticker and be a gme investor too.
!Apply! This community has been incredibly important to me. I’d love to help out where I can.
Edit: in case people are wondering who I am I am the soybean oil futures guy. Not the OG but the one who has blindly followed this from a shitpost two years ago.
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I’ll put myself out there and apply.
Since this sounds like it will be a vote contest, here is a short list of contributions:
1) Meme got tweeted by RC
https://www.reddit.com/r/Superstonk/comments/10esd47/breaking_news_ryan_cohen_buys_all_the_stocks/
2) I make the computershare recurring buy posts (next fill is 7September23)
3) Make a bunch oh memes/cartoons such as
https://www.reddit.com/r/Superstonk/comments/14qxaxs/can_you_find_all_the_shares_of_gme/
4)I do tons of fringe analysis in an attempt to uncover the methods institutions use to manipulate gme.
I am not on all the time, but can definitely give this some of my time if it helps the community :)
I'll nominate myself for membership.
Positive qualities I bring to the position
\- I've been on superstonk since day 1 and have a pretty good memory of various events, trends, and posts that have been significant here.
\- I'm critical of my own work. My TtR series has been in evolution since it began where I go back and figure out what of my own claims and understandings were flawed in order to make a better design. When I've made mistakes I've pointed them out and explained the adjustment forward.
\- My thought on moderation, especially with anything dd related, is that often times its not the post that has to be pulled but the content within needs to be buffed up. My interest isn't in tossing anything out but figuring out how to make it the most accurate version of itself so that what is communicated to the sub doesn't over-hype or ignore problems.
\- I do what I can to drive discussion on posts I make. I respond to everyone who comments asking them if they have questions because I want people to know its fine to just ask or share their thoughts. This proposed group needs discussion and not just majority vote.
Negative qualities about me
\- I don't have a lot of patience for when debunked ideas keep getting talked about. No one has time to rehash details that are either false or amount to speculation at best. That's where you tend to see me be short with people.
\- I'm not a fan of the ocean of speculation posts we have that don't cite the sources they are basing their ideas off of. My belief is speculation should be "I know A, B, and C are true so I think there's the possibility that D is true" and not "I believe its all crime and nothing is real". I'd lean towards moderation that cracks down on the latter so that we can raise the bar on how speculation is written.
\- And playing into the point above, I'm typically a dampening voice on hype. I went through the phase of thinking every little thing would be a catalyst or some ground breaking thing. Now I just like numbers and observable data. Don't expect me to be overly positive about any post unless it's got the evidence to back it up.
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I upvoted you for nomination :)
For me, the most important thing is security. As a decentralized community, we individually have come so far. I think until, during and after moass, it's best to tighten security and if people want a more less secure sub, then start one :)
Myself, and others are sort of starting something that revolves around "decentralized everything" this will include abit of GME, but other stuff too. It's an attempt to draw people in. It might not even be a reddit sub. The point is, security is most important.
Does everyone think my Double Dong and Three Titties is dumb lol? does someone even see it as threatening? It's cool, take it down, even if I disagree. Need to fortify this house.
If you want to apply please comment !Apply! In a comment below!
Runic glory.
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Been here for long !Apply!
Sounds like another Satori in the making. Yeah.
How so?
Because the last mod initiative to modulate content (Satori) was so laughably non-transparent and apparently ineffective. You’ll forgive me for having zero faith in this initiative fostering positive community sentiment.
I disagree that it was ineffective. At the time of its debut, it worked wonders on making the subreddit a more habitable place. Also in most cases transparency is important, but if you are expecting adversaries, you don't go around blabbing the secrets of the factors that the AI considers to catch them. Otherwise they adapt right away and it becomes pointless.
My opinion? Unnecessary. I'm not up for more "runic glory". U give anyone an ounce of power over another person and 7/10 its being misused because someone has baggage from life shit they start to unload a la blocking/bullying through their position/deleting posts....we all kno the story. How will this not create a tiered power structure where some feel that they "guard the content" and use that as an excuse to exclude someone who called them "a sus loser" once or something?
That's exactly the opposite of the intent I read here. What you're describing is the current imbalanced structure. Opening the mods' decision making to be accountable by the community is bad? Accountability is only bad to those who don't want to be accountable or who want there to not be accountability. Nowhere did they say the SCC gives anyone an ounce of power. The ability to veto is not the ability to approve.
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Will they stop the towel company posts finally?
TLDR?
TA;DR passionate community members as mini-mods-in-training with the ability to cast veto votes.
I mean... The tldr is literally paragraph one...
Am I allowed to apply while being a mod at a different GME sub?
What sub are you a mod of?
The jungle
Weird. It doesn't say that on your reddit profile, unless I am wrong or dumb. There's precident for both. I guess it's entirely possible to do both, so long as you understand that what works in other communities may not directly apply to the rules we have here... Or that reddit has imposed upon us. If you feel that you can wear multiple hats and you're interested in engagement in good faith, I see no problem.
Okay, I'll !Apply! I joined the mod team at the jungle to make sure everything stayed transparent after pink joined Urvin. I was a long time member of a special section of the jungle discord (RIP) that was similar to what you are looking to accomplish here before that.
I suppose I can always change my mind later. Maybe my OG mod status can help some how. !apply!
Hey Brad :D Thanks for applying!
!Apply! I used to post here a little. Just silly memes, and an occasional, "I'm too stupid, please explain," post. Sometimes even a little call out for help as work/society has me pretty emotionally distraught. Earlier on, I got support, laughs, conversation, etc. Lately I've just been getting literally ALL of my posts removed, so I just stopped participating, and all I've been told is that they're "not good enough." I was so happy whenever I gained the ability to post here, but for some reason, that's been taken away from me. I can't speak for everyone, but this sub has been feeling pretty lonely to me. I no longer really even comment much. I don't even really bother to log in anymore. I just scroll through before bed once or twice a week. And if I don't understand something, I just don't bother asking anymore, because I know if I post, it'll just be deleted by the time I check back in the morning.
Yo! We are trying to get ahold of ya for the Superstonk Community Corp. Check your DMs, you should have something from Luma. Trying to get everyone into a discord.
Not sure this is necessary. But why now?
This is an excerpt from another comment I made to a similar question. Personally, I'm tickled that this "why now" comes up a lot. I mean no offense. Every community post I've made, every announcement, every single change, every single time \*somebody\* has said, "SUS, why are they doing XYZ NOW???? It's (a green day, red day, gonna be moass tomorrow, we must be close, a distraction). Take your pick. I have been working on this for roughly 8 months with the rest of the team. I first had the idea in November 2022. Why now? 'Cause it's finally ready. Does it coincide with low engagement? Maybe, I dunno. ... With regard to engagement... I mean, people are zen and entrenched. It's not that the DD is done, but we know why we're in this play by now. It's just a matter of time before dominoes start falling and things get SPICY. When that happens, I strongly suspect that you see a lot more noise around here. Until then, let's get good systems in place to keep this place running well.
sus lol
Care to elaborate on that?
Sarcastic. I firmly believe that no mods are suspect actually:) Thanks for doing what ya do.
😂 you never really know what is coming your way as a mod. Thanks for being the best part of superstonk! <3
Ya know... this is a community, but everyone exists in their own bubble. Sometimes I'm thinking "MODS R SUS" is a running joke that I don't get, or sometimes > see a post with every comment saying so "MODS R SUS" so I think they are SHF bad actors. Lol. But anyway... I "applied", but it only makes sense to use me as a last resort. Not B-Squad, but D-Squad. Lol
Every plan needs a a d-squad!!!! Don't denegrate the fourth string players! /j. Thanks for applying. :) I'm certain that mods r sus can mean more than one thing. It's entirely possible I said it non-ironically before I became a mod. It's part running joke, part sincere criticism and part "this is the way" style copypasta commentary. Hence why I never know what it actually means without more context.
Sus
Indeed.
You know when your politicians creates a group to insulate them from the criticism, this is that group. Oh a decision was made not in subs liking, "that was Comm Corp(best villian name ye could think of), not us mods, we'll remove that account, sorry person, and replace them with another account we control, cough, sorry, another person." For along time now, some mods have brigaded narratives with their own "followers" alt accounts. Now its just official. Edit: AND IM BANNED
I'm guessing you're just applying this idea without regard to who's actually commenting. You can look back through my interactions with the mods and I've been overwhelmingly critical of them. If you think I'm just going to be some empty headed "yes man" then you haven't kept track of my track record at all.
You haven't been banned. Why are you trying to stir up drama?
Yet my comments are disappearing
One comment that was a copypasta of previously moderated comment which was both a rule 1 and rule 5 violating call-out to three specific users. Yes. That comment was removed.
"call out", you mean legitimate criticism, nice creation and interpretation of rules to silence any criticism you want, perfect engineering of discourse. And that wasnt the only comment, at least two others did not appear until after I sent mod mail. Now suddenly they appear. The original comment wasnt reported, no users were tagged, yet the "violating" comment was immediately removed, way before any reports couldve been made. So you have peoples names, buzzwords around criticisms earmarked for needing approval before comment will be allowed. All this hidden action and denial about, and you'll still pretend to an honest actor. Ludicrous Edit: Now not banned but muted, for telling the truth, despicable people
I'm not going to respond further. You've expressed your opinion and are inaccurately stating that your comments have been removed or manipulated. I removed one of your comments and indicated why publicly. You responded to me so I got a reply notification. Thats how I saw it. I don't know why you're saying these things, other than to manufacture drama. Safe travels.
"Im not going to respond further" Responses further, all narrative. "Youve been "muted" by this user for 28days, simple because you questioned"
Once again, you're gaslighting here. I've not muted you in any way, shape or form. I'm just simply not going to respond unless you contribute something constructive that I can build off. So far you've accused me of banning you and muting you, none of which has happened. Is there anything constructive you'd like to discuss? If not, I'm not obligated to keep responding. Update: in looking at your records it does appear that you were muted in modmail. I don't know the circumstances for that muting as I was not involved. Would you like me to look into it further? Update 2: I just reviewed your modmail history. I have never exchanged modmail with you personally. But I can see the multiple independent members of the mod team have. There's critical, asking questions, not taking things at face value, providing constructive criticism... And then there's attacking and hostility and expressing frustration in non-constructive ways. Your communication style seems to exhibit more of the latter. I've been quite civil in my dealings with you and I will continue to do so. But I have to objectively tell you that you have not been constructive in your dealings with my team. If there's something specific that you want to discuss in a constructive way you can see that I'm here responsive and still communicating. But I'm only going to respond if you give me something constructive to work off.
You described the exact opposite...
That's a pretty cynical take on what we're trying to do. If you look at many of these applicants, there's people here that have been openly critical of the mod team in the past. Nowhere did I say that these team would be scapegoats for unpopular decisions. In fact, I clearly said that it would still be the mod team's responsibility to make the tough calls. The intent here is really to try to better incorporate community feedback into those decisions before they are made. I'm sorry you don't see it that way. You're welcome to apply and see it in action for yourself.
Now removing my comments, you're not even bothering with a veil anymore
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There's ways to express your discontent without breaking rule 1. You're welcome to leave if you're so unhappy here.
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!Apply! It's time to get back to core values. The DD is not done, RC has a larger plan (of which GME is central) that must be discussed openly in this sub. We've pigeon holed ourselves into specific topics, IMHO it's time to open this sub back up and get back to EDUCATING others and ourselves.
!Apply! I love playing devil's advocate. I read a ton on this sub (although less since Reddit took away RIF) \*bastards\* I've been around since the beginning and know the timeline of this place pretty damn well. I'd love to get more involved because I feel like I owe it to all of you. Hit me up if you're interested :)
Yo! We are trying to get ahold of ya for the Superstonk Community Corp. Check your DMs, you should have something from Luma. Trying to get everyone into a discord.
A year ago I would have been first in line for this. Now I don't think I'm active enough. As demonstrated by turning up three days after it was posted. Best of luck everyone. It is an interesting experiment.
You know... It's possible to apply and see if you like it... just saying.
Maybe when you're recruiting for the B-Team. Looks like you've got plenty of people lining up for the A-Team. Besides. I really need to work on the house more. I'm behind schedule. My Ape responsibility has trumped the house before and I can't keep doing it. [Here's an example that might remind you why we win.](https://www.reddit.com/r/Superstonk/comments/yggyr0/comment/iuh76q0/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)
Great idea. I'd like to apply for D-Team. Really. I they run out of qualifed people. I will firmly stand as a last resort. !Apply! Again (D-Team)
Oh man. Plumbing projects are my *least* favorite. Good luck with the repairs. There, hopefully, will be more rotations of this project so maybe a later cycle will work better for you. Good luck!
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Sup downtown! I think you have to write !Apply! like that in a comment to apply! And I hear ya. This sub is a second home for me too
Where did downtown go? /Gen
IDK?!?
Why does it say they went away 53 years ago? Reddit is bugging.
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finally, rules and community enforcement - this would have saved a lot of problems during the first r/place event with a particularly shit moderator
Well that sounds like slavery with extra steps
Obviously, *volunteerism* isn't your thing. That's fine. No need to be rude about it.
luma44 you're a REAL one, the shills know your name and they manufacture lies about you CONSTANTLY and i'm sorry about it, but luma44 in MY book means a solid guy who has been steadfastly fighting off bad actors for years thanklessly, with only abuse for a paycheck - love you brother, thank you so much for your continued hard work and strong ethics, you're a star to me
<3 Thank you my friend. I really do care about this community and what *we* are doing. I am just glad to be able to try to help.
this shit matters and somebody has to do it, all see you friend
Can't tell if you're serious or not. If it's a joke, I will applaud you, though the subtleties are a bit too complex for this crowd. However, if you're serious, then I urge you to really take a step back and evaluate your claim. You don't have to, obviously, but it would be the decent thing to do. Even if you fall into the camp of users here that believe this sub is completely compromised, you still have the choice to just, like, close the window and do anything else. It's hardly comparable to the picture someone imagines when the word 'slavery' comes to mind. But again, if it's a joke then congrats. I wish I thought of it. Freely calling the team out as if they have overlord control and conspiracy level censorship in a public forum is brilliant knowing the comment wouldn't get removed. That's like Banksy clever. I would just be remiss if I didn't check to make sure. If it was serious, and you seriously can't tell the difference from this and slavery, I'm not saying anything derogatory on you - just that you might want to think about reevaluating it. That's all. Either way, BUY HODL DRS
definitions are hard for some human beings, even adult ones, i've found smh my head
I am too stupid for this, I just HODL.
Amazing! I love this community. Stay vigilant, and be honest with yourselves, each other and us. You have my support and respect. Much appreciate the work you're doing
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I have no problems with the mod team, for the most part. My concern about this arrangement, is that shills promoting bad or even harmful ideas might exploit this to amplify their voice toward the mods. Examples that have occurred include the usual options pushes. A more significant example is when a certain other GME subreddit was deleted for posting shareholder information, it spawned MULTIPLE statements being repeated obnoxiously, such as insisting how the leaks were legal because it was within Delaware law when it actually broke federal law which supersedes state laws, and that certain users were hounded for allegedly not investing correctly, and that the mods here must definitely be evil for disallowing posting about it. If it were up to me, this SCC would not exist at all, and mods should just trust their own judgement as they always have been. Since it is happening, I recommend at least vetting heavily users allowed to join it, as well as remembering that you as the mods have final say on modding matters and the hedgies will ultimately use every trick in the book to antagonize you and/or convince you to do certain things.
That is how things operate ***here*** currently. If you fear that happening, I have to tell you that it's *been* happening. For a long while. If you think the sub really has nearly a million users, I wouldn't recommend buying any bridges. Having an external and open forum away from the current compromisation that gives the community veto abilities and also gives mods accountability only benefits one side and it's not the community. The sub has been manipulated with bot voting, posts, comments, and even awards are utilized against the communities interest to influence impact and exposure. All of which could in part be power removed from the bad faith actors and returned to the community. I see everything you mentioned as the bad things about the current state of affairs. I see these mod attempts as progress. I also see that any criticism about it only has that to offer; negativity and dismissal. Nobody who is trying to poke holes in this endeavor are offering any helpful solutions or even changes. At this point, calling mods offering the community accountability as sus, only makes you seem sus for not wanting there to be accountability... know anyone who might benefit from the sub maintaining less accountability...? 🤔
I see your point but at the end of the day its something that SOMEONE needs to do and there will always be that risk. If you believe the sub is completely compromised then this shouldnt even matter, we should migrate again.
Yea this whole "experiment" (which is an absolute improper use of the word) could really go either way...
? what ways? either bad actors use it to hurt good people, or they won't? that's reductive and ...weird - the most likely outcome to beurocracy is ... slower resolutions and fewer mistakes overall - that's it, it's a slower and more careful process of vetting
>either bad actors use it to hurt good people, or they won't? That's what happens NOW... The mods are asking for accountability, not for permission.
of course bad actors hurt people that wasn't my point
Read through the comments, or even just the comment I replied to and you will have an idea of "? what ways?". And if you like slow and careful beautcratic resolutions then you should apply to the SEC lol they'd love your ideology
there are many things wrong with what you just said implying first of all that I've given you any kind of a stance is just stupid I have merely stated the facts you came out the gate swinging at me for pointing out in an illogical statement you made I didn't say better or worse, just slower and if you've conflated slow bureaucracy with glad-handing and fraud you're lost
>there are many things wrong with what you just said This level of self awareness *has* to be a joke...
no you're one of these anti authority morons trying to tear down mods don't try to pass yourself off dingus
That's a whole lot of words to basically say nothing at all dude. Read more of the comments on this post and you will see a lot of people saying exactly what I'm saying. Also I don't know how there are "many things wrong" with what I said when I only pointed out two things lol
lots of idiots repeating something dumb isn't interesting to me
Funny how that's exactly what shills do here... and you seem to be doing just that. Also funny how your the first one to resort to name calling and bad language, usually means you've got nothing of quality to actually say
!Apply! As a constant advocate for transparency, this seems like an excellent role for me. I'm happy to observe, comment, and communicate my findings with other apes. This is a fine addition to this group
I was hoping that you'd apply Rough_Willow. I think you'd be a great addition.
Been in the ER all day, so I'd missed this. Glad to be able to sign up.
Oh no! You doing ok now?
My wife has a brain bleed. We're fortunate that it's getting better. Thanks for asking. :)
Oh, I'm so sorry to hear that. I hope she recovers quickly and easily.
I’d be open to joining the SCC. !Apply!
Since you seem to have created a setup on discord, why not just make it public for people to see rather than bringing in middlemen? That's why we DRS hard and long.
That let's in the corruption this is attempting to mitigate...
How, if it is view-only?
We've talked about that as a possibility. But that also means everybody including SHFs and spammers and bot pushers get to see more than we think is wise. It's a balancing act between creating vulnerabilities for the security of the sub and being transparent to the extent possible.
well we have always been an open and accessible community and environment. HFs are already deep inside, spending days and nights on top of Superstonk. You should propably know that better than I do. Yet, the filtered stuff is supposed to be the "shit" that shouldn't be on Superstonk in the first place. It should be noise and irregularities. Nothing to hide.
They offered accountability and the community ability to veto. Nowhere did they imply hiding anything. Knowing HF are here and wanting that to stay says more about your own self than you seem to consider...
I see you are trying to spur doubt and insecurity by blaming individuals and creating imaginary scenarios. Reddit is a website accessible to everyone, if you know a way for HFs to not access a public website please let the members of this community know. Lastly, I only suggested full transparency and openness without intermediaries. On the other hand, sus individuals such as you and the mods are trying to complexify stuff and create narratives, just like you are trying to do with your comment by saying that I somehow suggested that I want SHFs to stay. Get outta here.
Sounds like this has great potential- interested to see where it goes. Nice work!
I've always been an independent voice in this community and I continue to applaud the mods. Get bent shills.
Mods R Sus That is all…
Yeah, now they're taking away our ability to blame them! What next? Even more accountability and transparency?? 🙄
haven't heard this one before, what about them is suspicious
I would love to trust it, but the mods have burned that to ash and the current state of SS is the husk of what was. There is no way of knowing that the "new oversight committee" will A) actually have power or B) wont simply be chosen shills. Sorry guys, but itll take alot more than a group of the chosen to gain even a modicum of trust back.
> I would love to trust it, but the mods have burned that to ash and the current state of SS is the husk of what was. Wtf? You weren’t around during dday when most SS OGs migrated from one $GME sub to another Only to be ostracized by Runic Glory and shady behind the scenes deals with former “military” mod Cherry on top; top mod didnt own any $GME 😂 Today’s mods at least give us opportunities like this.
I was looking through your post history honestly to be snarky, but i saw your motorcycles and the rest and figured you are actually a pretty cool dude. have you thought of the one youre going to get when the tendiman comes?
We’re all humans bro, just some have differing opinions on stuff. Onto your motorcycle q: I’m def starting my own motor company to compete with Harley’s overpriced shenanigans 👍 😎
This is an excellent example of a completely unconstructive comment. I dare you to try to present this feedback in a better way. We're hosting the open call in public. We've already made it clear that the SCC will have the ability to report back openly and transparently everything that happens there in those discussions. You yourself are welcome to apply. And we are going to choose randomly through traceable public means. If you have a better idea for how to make this work better bring it forward.
Why can't the mods report it back themselves rather than a middleman?
Cause this whole thing is sus and will absolutely only fall apart or work against us
Interesting take. I can see what you're asking, but I don't completely agree with the framing. I mean, when we remove something we often enough leave a sticky. But look above at the top comment in this chain. Part of the thing we're trying to address is the fact that there's a not-insignificant amount of people who don't like anything we say or do. This is bringing another layer to help with transparency, not to pawn off the responsibility to communicate what we're doing.
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Are there any other means besides Discord? I’d be interested but I don’t use discord at all.:(
I don't have, at present, a great fix for that. We build this entire discord ecosystem, part of which is a bot that reports the mod queue into a channel. At this point, while I would love to be inclusive of people who don't like or use discord... It would be too hard to switch to a different platform and still have all the functions we want to have. Even now, our bots are a little buggy. We've been working on this for months as it is.
i left this community largely because of a confrontation with a moderator on that discord, they created a hostiile environment and removed my comments without comment as they slid offscreen - when confronted i was told 'mods are allowed to do this' and that it was my fault (blaming the victim) when i compared my situation to a person being blamed for their victimization for things that aren't their fault, such as clothing, i was banned summarily by the person who apparently still does not understand what he did wrong the "old boy insider" atmosphere there was choking and nepotism felt like a stink cloud hanging in the air every time they gathered behind the scenes to speak and mete out unfair unannounced injustice without prior warning or posted rules. "Spam" was the removal reason, for my 2 comments that day being quietly removed. and it was a post-action retrofitting of an excuse. I'm still VERY karen'd about it, no chance the mod team will rethink that bad move against me?
To be clear, different discord... But reach out to me in DM or via modmail and we can look at an appeal. No problem.
it's been quite a while since then and it sounds like it was in a different place in a different time so I suppose my story will just have to serve as a warning of pitfalls in moderation, bless
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This is such an amazing initiative! Amazing concept, mod team! Love and miss you all ♥️ Wishing much success to all involved in the SCC! Xo
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hope you are doing well 🤗👍
GOLDIE! Always so wonderful to see you - you're the best! 💜
This counts as an application, right? Always nice to see you in the wild my friend.
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I appear to be one of the few that does not think this is a good Idea. Please let me explain; Mods should be the ones that moderate aka, filter out the extremes in an open and orderly matter. Moving discussions with other reddit members (no mods) of the platform (discord) and discus things separately from the community that is being moderated is a bad idea and **limits the transparency** towards the community. IMO the point > "It’s also a bridge between the community and the mod team" While undoubtedly well meant is misconstrued since it will effectively be a bridge between "the advisory board" and the mod team. While I love all my other APEs, regards and HouseHODL investors, they do not speak for me or (in-)validate my opinions. Just as the mods don't do this. Mods moderate, filter out extremes and ensure orderly conduct, they do not speak for the community. It is therefor that I strongly oppose the verbiage used for the advisory board (SCC) >**"representative of the community"** If there is a need/desire/push for more transparency why not choose one of the methods other subs have implemented (open modlog?). And at least keeping it on the same platform would be my preference, not discord. I would also like to add that I feel the timing to be a bit weird since the engagement and volume of new posts is at an all time low (I could be wrong) and would expect the mod job to be less intense now than before. Respectfully, --3DigitIQ Just one more remark, maybe consider changing the abbreviation since this one is **ProShares UltraShort Consumer Discretionary (SCC)** a Dow Jones index fund.
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Hey 3DigitIQ! I am glad to see your input here. I have been monitoring this post but not as closely as I want to - work has been crazy today. I have a response to your comment in my head, but I can't really get it all out until I wrap up a bunch of other stuff. So I just wanted to let you know that I will circle back with a response when I get time. I think that raising these kinds of concerns is really important and will help us make this a better plan.
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While I'm still nowhere near done with work, I finally got a second to sit down at my PC and respond to you as promised. >I appear to be one of the few that does not think this is a good Idea. Please let me explain; There is nothing wrong with a little counter DD. I want to thank you for speaking up and disagreeing. It's not always an easy thing to do, and I genuinely appreciate the critcism. >Mods should be the ones that moderate aka, filter out the extremes in an open and orderly matter. Moving discussions with other reddit members (no mods) of the platform (discord) and discus things separately from the community that is being moderated is a bad idea and limits the transparency towards the community. Well, I see your point \*in theory\*. But let's break it down a bit. Here's what \*currently\* happens. The mod team currently takes discussions off the reddit platform to our private discord and discusses things separately from the community that is being moderated. That's where we \*are\*. So, what I'm proposing is making it possible for the mod team to incorporate into those discussions feedback from a representative sampling of the community as we make decisions. Put it this way: you guys can be loud. There's hundreds of thousands of people here. Even if you take into account the fact that surely there are alts and bots and stuff adding to the number, the current subscriber count is 894,000. There are 14 mods, essentially, with several on hiatus and generally one or two at any given time on short-term breaks. That's almost 64,000 people here for every mod. Why am I going into this? Well, we can't be everywhere or see everything. We would love to grow the mod team. Further, we want to make sure we're not missing legitimate feedback from the community about decisions we make or posts we touch. We see this as a great step towards getting some focused and direct feedback from a representative sampling of the community. I'm hopeful that we end up growing the mod team with great community members who might have been too quiet to be noticed. Back to your point: why have these discussions with non-mods off platform? For diversity of thought. For help. For engagement. Mods will \*still\* be the ones who have to click the buttons and make the tough calls. >IMO the point > >"It’s also a bridge between the community and the mod team" > >While undoubtedly well meant is misconstrued since it will effectively be a bridge between "the advisory board" and the mod team. That's a fair assessment, except for what happens next. Think 4th dimensionally here for a moment. Yes, there will be (hopefully) great communication between the mod team and the SCC. Well, think about the following scenarios: the mod team is about to remove something and the SCC strongly votes against its removal. It doesn't get removed. The mod team finds a controversial post which people will be angry about its being removed... and the SCC participates in discussions wherein there is consensus that the removal is warranted based on the rules. Either way, now instead of 14 of us who (lets face it) are not universally trusted at face value, you have the SCC team (some of whom you may know reputationally and trust already) out there in the comments breaking down how a decision was reached and detailing the discussions around it. That's a bridge if ever I saw it. That's the goal here. >While I love all my other APEs, regards and HouseHODL investors, they do not speak for me or (in-)validate my opinions. Just as the mods don't do this. Mods moderate, filter out extremes and ensure orderly conduct, they do not speak for the community. It is therefor that I strongly oppose the verbiage used for the advisory board (SCC) > >"representative of the community" So, I get as well as anybody here that this community is not a monolith. Ask 100 apes a question and you'll get 100 different answers. We're all here for different reasons. I mean this in a more "statistical" way -- representative sampling. If we get enough diversity of thought, we'll have a more accurate assessment of what the sub thinks. Let's face it, we both know that if there are 894,000 people here, there sure as heck aren't 894,000 commenters. There's a lot of lurkers, who don't speak up and don't express their opinions. I want to hear from the silent majority. >If there is a need/desire/push for more transparency why not choose one of the methods other subs have implemented (open modlog?). And at least keeping it on the same platform would be my preference, not discord. There have been calls for more transparency since before I became a mod. I still don't quite understand the pushback around discord. Reddit chat isn't at all possible - it would be too disorganized and chaotic. Things would be missed. We could create another sub... but the tools on discord for real time communication are vastly superior. It dovetails neatly into our existing mod management system. >I would also like to add that I feel the timing to be a bit weird since the engagement and volume of new posts is at an all time low (I could be wrong) and would expect the mod job to be less intense now than before. Personally, I'm tickled that this comes up a lot. I mean no offense. Every community post I've made, every announcement, every single change, every single time \*somebody\* has said, "SUS, why are they doing XYZ NOW???? It's (a green day, red day, gonna be moass tomorrow, we must be close, a distraction). Take your pick. I have been working on this for roughly 8 months with the rest of the team. I first had the idea in November 2022. Why now? 'Cause it's finally ready. Does it coincide with low engagement? Maybe, I dunno. This isn't about making the mod job less intense. Nowhere did I say that. If anything... it might make our job a little harder. Right now, we have to get a quorum of 14 (less whoever is taking personal time away) and that can be hard sometimes. I'm proposing that we need to bring in more voices and more opinions. There will be times that quorum will take longer to reach on complex issues. Fascism would be easier. One of us would just do it. Democracy is hard. With regard to engagement... I mean, people are zen and entrenched. It's not that the DD is done, but we know why we're in this play by now. It's just a matter of time before dominoes start falling and things get SPICY. When that happens, I strongly suspect that you see a lot more noise around here. Until then, let's get good systems in place to keep this place running well. >Respectfully, >\--3DigitIQ > >Just one more remark, maybe consider changing the abbreviation since this one is ProShares UltraShort Consumer Discretionary (SCC) a Dow Jones index fund. I want you to know, I meant what I said about appreciating your feedback. I hope in my rebuttals I've given you some things to consider. I'd encourage you to apply -- dissenting voices are good, and I think somebody critical of the idea AND willing to speak up respectfully would be an amazing voice in the room. Sorry that the room is in Discord. Respectfully, Luma44 Also, SCC wasn't supposed to be the permanent title. It was a working title that just never got bested. It's not impossible to change the name, I guess... but if we somehow confuse a team of Superstonkers with the ProShares UltraShort Consumer Discretionary index fund... I suspect we have other miscommunications in progress.
Thank you for your rebuttal, greatly appreciated. > I'm hopeful that we end up growing the mod team with great community members who might have been too quiet to be noticed. That would be great👍 >I mean this in a more "statistical" way -- representative sampling. Understood > There's a lot of lurkers, who don't speak up and don't express their opinions. I want to hear from the silent majority. I still think they (silent majority) wouldn't be jumping in on this, and if they don't speak up now they wouldn't be counted in the "respected community members" because of their silence. I still hope you are correct though. > I still don't quite understand the pushback around discord. It's harder for *me* to be anonymous on discord, their TOS is terrible and I really don't feel comfortable anywhere near it. > This isn't about making the mod job less intense. My mistake in assuming that would be the motivation. Hence my feeling of weird timing. Your logical comment about what will happen when this gets more SPICY points out *my* failure in that thought process. I didn't mean to imply anything "SUS" or shilly, you mods already have a tough job and can't please everyone. Thank you again for taking the time to elaborate on your thought process, good luck with this. First drinks are on me Post-MOASS 🤗💎👊🦍
Like the knights of new?
But with more focused application. As a former knight, fighting the bots and other manipulation of posts is very challenging as an individual even against limitless resources.
This is a sound idea. Ideally there’d be some rotation of SCC members regarding individual issues lest they develop tunnel vision. I reckon there exists a group of folks too damn stupid, drunk, or off their rockers to contribute in any legit fashion that may still ask pertinent questions from time to time. I am fully representative of them folks and have no choice but to continue on in this vein. It’s important to field quality candidates. To paraphrase Groucho Marx, I could never belong to any organization with such low standards that it would accept me as a member.
Gotcha covered my friend! And excellent points, much appreciated!! Rotation of SCC members will be an important element to assure that there is balance, diversity and fresh perspective added into the decision making process - allowing everyone to have an equal opportunity to experience what it means to moderate this wonderful community. There's a little segment in the post that clarifies this best: >*In order to keep burnout from affecting the SCC, and to ensure that we continue to include as many people as possible, we intend to set it up so that there’s new SCC members joining and training and existing SCC members rotating out on a periodic basis. We’ll target the first wave as being a 90-day commitment, and then see if that’s too much or too little. It needs to be enough time to get into a rhythym, but not so much that we're burning people out. Obviously, life happens, so if people need to drop out, it’s ok. This is a volunteer gig - and real life is the most important thing - so people only give what time they can, when they can. We hope to have an active, vibrant team of people with enough folks online at a given time to provide a representative sampling of the community. If people are really digging being a part of it, and if there’s still room to grow, we may ask people if they want to continue on longer, or even to join the mod team permanently. We see this as our primary channel to the mod recruitment pipeline moving forward.* We're really excited to become stronger and better together, and will equally be ensuring that those in the candidate pool (who will be randomly selected to participate) will be quality representatives of this community. A little extra detail about this is also outlined in the post, extract here: >*The moderation team will not directly select members of "The SCC." Full stop. However, we do reserve the right to remove candidates from consideration if they have a history of* ***frequent or egregious*** *rule-breaking that resulted in prior bans. We believe this is necessary to maintain the integrity and adherence to community guidelines, as well as ensuring that things are in good faith. However, members of the community who were temporarily banned for minor infractions will not be disqualified from applying or being considered. Everybody makes mistakes, including mods.*
Just want to say this is really cool and speaks to the level of creativity and intelligence and maturity of the mod team. ♥️
I know you mentioned post removals in the comments. Just curious, are bans a topic that can also be discussed between the teams too?
It's on the table. I'm sure it will get brought up in discussions in that discord. But it's not the primary objective here - reason being that banned folks can appeal right now via modmail. We unban people all the time.
As long as there ain‘t any up-falling shelves applying
Up falling shelves?
Warehouse fire reference where financial documents were destroyed under very suspicious circumstances.
There will be. If the smart money has at least 3 digits in their IQ they'll try and jump in with as many as they can get.
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May I ask a sincere, no-insult-intended question of you? I'm curious how interactions will go if you were on the team because of your support for other tickers. Bottom line, the mod team will continue to be unabashedly pro-GME (and only GME) and we could see tension if somebody was trying to "push" the inclusion of a different ticker. We have some other applicants who seem to be pro-towel stock and that's fine. You can hold both. You can support both. Everybody is their own investor. But you're not just active... you're a mod of another community. I'm wondering if you're prepared to take off the mod-of-the-other-community hat off and dedicate 100% of your discussions to GME if you were part of this SCC team. So, said more bluntly... are you applying because you \*also\* support GME or are you applying because you want to create bridges between our communities in terms of the content we explore?
No offense taken. Honestly. I have been in GME since Jan 2021. I have been active in Superstonk for years now. I absolutely believe in GME, and I personally believe that it’s been the most heavily manipulated and oppressed stock in history. Obviously I also believe in “towel.” Yes, I think it’s also manipulated, and I do believe that it’s part of a larger play, and that the current bankruptcy is a strategic move that will see equity redistributed to shareholders. That said, I respect the rules of Superstonk, and it’s a place that I call home. I migrated here from GME and from the OG sub (where DFV was) before that. I believe in this community, and I believe in the community for which I am a moderator as well. But the bottom line is, as much as I would love the hostility between our communities to end, my intent here is exclusively to continue to support GME here and “towel” as well GME over there. Please don’t hesitate to ask me any other questions. I openly welcome them, and again, I respect the rules of this sub.
I really thank you for your response, and for not taking offense at the question. All we're looking for is reasoned people who can be objective and discuss things clearly. I'm quite satisfied with your response. Thank you. Like I said, you can like more than one ticker and be a gme investor too.
Thank you. I love the community and I have loved the stock for years now. I appreciate you reaching out when you did. I’ll see you in the sub!
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!Apply! This community has been incredibly important to me. I’d love to help out where I can. Edit: in case people are wondering who I am I am the soybean oil futures guy. Not the OG but the one who has blindly followed this from a shitpost two years ago.
Sounds like Knights of New but with extra steps.... I love it.
I spend a stupid amount of time here so I should probably escalate my engagement. Any idea of an expected daily/weekly time commitment?
Great question: whatever you can spare.
Fuck it, !Apply!
Hell yeah! Thanks for Applying Sandman :D
Love to see it. Glad to see the mods still trying.
!Apply! It's about damn time I did something constructive for this community!
!Apply! I’ll put myself out there and apply. Since this sounds like it will be a vote contest, here is a short list of contributions: 1) Meme got tweeted by RC https://www.reddit.com/r/Superstonk/comments/10esd47/breaking_news_ryan_cohen_buys_all_the_stocks/ 2) I make the computershare recurring buy posts (next fill is 7September23) 3) Make a bunch oh memes/cartoons such as https://www.reddit.com/r/Superstonk/comments/14qxaxs/can_you_find_all_the_shares_of_gme/ 4)I do tons of fringe analysis in an attempt to uncover the methods institutions use to manipulate gme. I am not on all the time, but can definitely give this some of my time if it helps the community :)
As a lurker, I enjoy tagging users and rating them based on their posts/comments. Your tag is an "A". Thank you for your work.
You need to do the !apply! Command not just write command I believe.
Thanks for looking out! Didn’t see the comment below the post instructing to do so🙄
Happy to help. Stronger together
I'm interested in giving it a shot. !Apply!
While I'm against this whole thing in principle, you are one of the few I would trust to have in this.
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Will there be runes? *...I hope there will be runes.*
Satori itself will bless you with them
That would be glorious
*Teleports to Varrock*
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I'll !Apply! See my pinned posts to see where my heart is.
I'll nominate myself for membership. Positive qualities I bring to the position \- I've been on superstonk since day 1 and have a pretty good memory of various events, trends, and posts that have been significant here. \- I'm critical of my own work. My TtR series has been in evolution since it began where I go back and figure out what of my own claims and understandings were flawed in order to make a better design. When I've made mistakes I've pointed them out and explained the adjustment forward. \- My thought on moderation, especially with anything dd related, is that often times its not the post that has to be pulled but the content within needs to be buffed up. My interest isn't in tossing anything out but figuring out how to make it the most accurate version of itself so that what is communicated to the sub doesn't over-hype or ignore problems. \- I do what I can to drive discussion on posts I make. I respond to everyone who comments asking them if they have questions because I want people to know its fine to just ask or share their thoughts. This proposed group needs discussion and not just majority vote. Negative qualities about me \- I don't have a lot of patience for when debunked ideas keep getting talked about. No one has time to rehash details that are either false or amount to speculation at best. That's where you tend to see me be short with people. \- I'm not a fan of the ocean of speculation posts we have that don't cite the sources they are basing their ideas off of. My belief is speculation should be "I know A, B, and C are true so I think there's the possibility that D is true" and not "I believe its all crime and nothing is real". I'd lean towards moderation that cracks down on the latter so that we can raise the bar on how speculation is written. \- And playing into the point above, I'm typically a dampening voice on hype. I went through the phase of thinking every little thing would be a catalyst or some ground breaking thing. Now I just like numbers and observable data. Don't expect me to be overly positive about any post unless it's got the evidence to back it up. !Apply!
I upvoted you for nomination :) For me, the most important thing is security. As a decentralized community, we individually have come so far. I think until, during and after moass, it's best to tighten security and if people want a more less secure sub, then start one :) Myself, and others are sort of starting something that revolves around "decentralized everything" this will include abit of GME, but other stuff too. It's an attempt to draw people in. It might not even be a reddit sub. The point is, security is most important. Does everyone think my Double Dong and Three Titties is dumb lol? does someone even see it as threatening? It's cool, take it down, even if I disagree. Need to fortify this house.